date:20090715

Hello List,

I am excited to announce the prototype to a new line of  meteorite 
collectibles Geoff Notkin and I are working on.  Several years  ago, I put some 
pieces of Brenham Shale in a plastic slabs as a test as a  Limited Edition 
Collectible at the Haviland Kansas Meteorite Festival, they  seemed to go over 
well.  I then took it a step further and made six  different slabs holding 
dust from various meteorites (Moon Dust, Mars Dust,  etc).  

I put that project on the back burner, until  revisiting the concept with 
Geoff now.  

These slabs are  manufactured for the rare coin industry and are quite 
popular in that industry.  The slim clear plastic cases also work great for 
holding thin part slices of  meteorites as well.

With our TV show Meteorite Men airing on  Science Channel, more people 
are being introduced to the world of meteorite  collecting, and as such we 
thought it would be nice to make it a little easier  for them to get started 
with meteorites with a little different packaging.   

Of course, most all of you on the Meteorite List are not in need  of help 
in getting started collecting, but we wanted to get your feedback on  this as 
well.

Some of you remember our limited run of Brenham part  slices in Lucite from 
Tucson.  These were quite popular, but at $99 they  were priced out of the 
range of a lot of beginning collectors.  We wanted  to have something in the 
$3 to $50 retail price range to offer.

We  are expecting that more Meteorite Men episodes will be coming in the 
near  future.  If more TV episodes do materialize, then we will almost 
certainly  take these slabbed meteorites collectibles up to a far more 
professional level  in appearance, as well as with a wider selection of 
available 
specimens.   But for now, this is what we have.

Some of these will slabbed  specimens in the future will not be limited 
editions, where we would most likely  set the retail price and then make as 
many as the market would continue to  buy.  While others will be limited to a 
just a few limited number  specimens, in some case a very limited number. 

So we have made a  prototype assortment of limited edition meteorites 
encased in the slabs, and  we have some of them up on Ebay right now.  Getting 
the exact same size  part slice for each of a limited edition of 20 pieces, 
for example, would be  very hard to do.  With low priced per gram material, 
it is not a big deal,  as they can all be priced all the same.  But with 
more rare material, the  actual value of the specimen could differ greatly base 
upon the weight of the  slice.

Then there is the value of the item as a collectible.   It is so hard to 
predict what the values should be, as that is so  subjective.  Ask some 
people, and they will say the collectible factor is  not even worth $1.00.  If 
our 
TV show does go to series, and becomes a big  hit, and we start cranking 
out thousands of these specimens in slabs, then the  first ones out in this 
batch theoretically could become more valuable up and  beyond the raw value of 
the meteorite specimen enclosed in it.  Why are  some rare coins with the 
same about of silver in them worth more than  others?  Why are some baseball 
cards worth more than others?  It all  has a bit to do with supply and 
demand. 

The demand is real low for these  right now, since (relatively speaking) no 
one knows about us, or these items,  yet.

Some of these specimens are almost impossible to find on the market,  while 
some are very common.  Some are exotic types, others more  common.  The 
numbers available of each range from 6 up to 27, so there is a  wide range on 
the availability factor.  

So, I have put some  of these up on Ebay with a 3 day listing.  

We hope some of  you buy these at what will be a fair price right now, and 
we hope they later  become worth a lot more. In addition to making the 
buyers happy, and us happy,  it would really tweak one person out there!  :-)

So, I am  starting each of these at $0.99, with no reserve, and we will see 
where they  go.  

Also, I have one complete set with all 18 specimens, all  numbered #4, up 
for auction in one lot.  In this prototype run, the lower  the number the 
BIGGER the specimen enclosed.  So many of the #4 specimens  are much larger 
than the others being listed here on the same night.   Remember that when 
looking to 

The Colony, OK specimen only has 6  units.  And the #6 unit is up for sale 
as an individual with this  batch.  So, at the most, there is only going to 
be 5 complete sets  available.  In fact, this one full set might be the only 
complete set that  will go on sale as such. 

Check them out  here:

http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store  

Please look at the listings, and feel free to respond to me off  list if 
you would like to share some comments, or ask questions.  

Also, if you are one of the people who eventually buys one, please  check 
back with me on your opinion of these after

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on TV again 4 times in next 3 days

Hello Folks,

For any of you who missed  the TV show Meteorite Men, or for those of you 
who would like to watch it  again, it is airing 4 more times over the next 
3 days on the Science  Channel.

Wed.  July 15, 8:00 pm Eastern Time
Wed.  July 15,  11:00 pm Eastern Time
Thurs. July 16, 3:00 pm  Eastern  Time
Fri. July 17, 3:00 am Eastern Time

You  can also check the listings  here:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15725.126184.3
6729.1

More  info about the show can be found at:   www.MeteoriteMen.com  

Enjoy!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 15, 2009

2009-07-15 Thread David Pensenstadler


Dear List:

Just after that fall, Mike Zolensky, NASA Johnson Space Center, spoke at our 
monthly Spectroscopy Society of Pittsburgh meeting, and he gave me a small 
crystal of that salt from Monahans, which I have nicely displayed in the 
Natural Sciences Section of my living room.

Dave

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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 15, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thursday Night

Hi Steve, Mike and List,

From the peanut gallery -

Ok guys, enough is enough.  This back and forth is making us all look
bad and making meteorites look bad by proxy.  Newbies are going to
come here and think that space rocks infect people with Andromeda
Strain madness.

Look, when I act up and say stupid things on the List, most people
ignore it.  Who am I anyway?

But you guys are the big names in the field - you guys are
representatives of the hobby.  You are in magazines and on TV.  I knew
who Steve Arnold and Mike Farmer were before I knew there were
different types of carbonaceous chondrites.  So when you guys come on
the List and start going back and forth with general nastiness, it
carries more weight and grabs more attention than it would if I was
saying it. (or some other Johnny Come Lately)  People are going to
think - so this how meteorite people behave, I think I'll go collect
pez dispensers now.

Professional meteorite hunters (the successful ones, like you guys)
live a life the rest of us armchair chasers dream of - you get to
work by chasing space rocks and finding them.  It beats the hell out
of getting up at 4:30am and running a forklift at a distribution
center or digging ditches for a living.  (although, one could argue
that finding meteorites does involve some ditch digging) - you guys
are part of a very small brotherhood that gets to make a living from a
PASSION.  How cool is that?  To wake up in the morning and ENJOY the
idea of going to work.

Steve is riding high on his Meteorite Men success right now - let him
have it.  Damn, if the tables were turned, I'd like to think that any
of us wouldn't get our hides skinned because we revelled in our
success of finding meteorites.   And I understand what Mike is saying
about too much hype - it what the radio does to new music - they run
it into the ground until you are sick of hearing it.  But there is no
reason to carry out a public slapfight over this.  Take it to private
email.  Mike, I'm sure you have Steve's phone number - call him up and
bitch him out over the phone so we don't have to hear it.  All you are
doing is alienating customers/newbies - which I'm sure you don't care
about because they are nickel and dime customers anyway.   Actually,
if I was profit-minded, I'd be loving this - because for every newbie
you guys turn off, they come running to people like me - and I am more
than happy to sell them all of the nickel and dime meteorites they
want.

I promised myself and the List, I'd keep my mouth shut and think
before hitting send - which I have done for a week now while this
continues on and on.  So here you have it.

Best regards and let's knock it off,

MikeG


On 7/15/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying it
 is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
 Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of
 Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct
 until they ran out)  I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze
 another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against them.
 I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with
 brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00,
 so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box so
 let's call it $30.00.

 I don't know why you cant just sell what you own for what it is, and not try
 to Billy Mays it all daytime TV style.
 It is good for a laugh though.

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[meteorite-list] Cosmic (non)surprise: Many asteroids are comets

2009-07-15 Thread Darren Garrison

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Cosmic-surprise-Many-asteroids-are-comets/articleshow/4781199.cms

PARIS: Many of the primitive bodies wandering the asteroid belt between Mars and
Jupiter are former comets
, tossed out of orbit by a brutal
ballet between the giant outer planets, say a team of astrophysicists.

A commonly accepted theory is that the asteroid belt is the rubble left over
from a proto-planetary disk, the dense ring of gas that surrounds a new-born
star.

But the orbiting rocks have long been a source of deep curiosity. They are
remarkably varied, ranging from mixtures of ice and rock to igneous rocks, which
implies they have jumbled origins.

The answer to the mystery, according to a study published by the British journal
Nature on Wednesday, is that a significant fraction of the asteroid population
in fact comprises ex-comets.

Famously described as dirty snowballs of ice and dust, comets are lonely,
long-distance wanderers of the Solar System whose elliptical swing around the
Sun can take decades.

Researchers in France and the United States ran a mathematical model of the
development of the early Solar System, when the planets
were accreting from clustering masses of dust and gas.

According to this model, the nascent giant planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus
and Neptune -- orbited at this time in a pretty compact configuration, between
five and 15 astronomical units (AUs) from the Sun.

An AU is a standard unit of measurement for Solar System distances. It equals
the distance from the Earth to the Sun, or around 150 million kilometres (93
million miles).

Beyond the giant planets was a disk-shaped mass of comets, known as
trans-Neptunian objects, between 16 and 30 AUs from the Sun.

As the giants became bigger and bigger, their orbits became unstable.

Eventually, after around 600 million years, Uranus and Neptune were kicked out
by gravitational jousting.

They rammed into the disk of comets and scattered its members throughout the
Solar System, according to this model. Many of them were captured by the weak
gravitational force of the asteroid belt, where they remain to this day.

It's a paradigm shift, said Matthieu Gounelle of France's National Centre for
Scientific Research (CNRS) in a press release.

The asteroid belt is not just a leftover from the formation of the Solar
System, but also that of violent phenomena including the great planetary
migration.

If the model is right, it implies that the difference between the most primitive
asteroids and comets is even slimmer than thought.

It would also shed light on the controversial origin of micrometeorites, or tiny
extraterrestrial particles that survive the fiery passage through Earth's
atmosphere.

Micrometeorites are different from meteorites in composition and texture, and
this could be explained if they derive from comets, which are richer in organic
material and crumblier than native asteroids.
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thursday Night

BTW - show some respect for Mr. Billy Mays.  He was a better salesman
than any of you or us.  If he was shilling meteorites, there'd be a
space rock in every home.  ;)


On 7/15/09, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Steve, Mike and List,

 From the peanut gallery -

 Ok guys, enough is enough.  This back and forth is making us all look
 bad and making meteorites look bad by proxy.  Newbies are going to
 come here and think that space rocks infect people with Andromeda
 Strain madness.

 Look, when I act up and say stupid things on the List, most people
 ignore it.  Who am I anyway?

 But you guys are the big names in the field - you guys are
 representatives of the hobby.  You are in magazines and on TV.  I knew
 who Steve Arnold and Mike Farmer were before I knew there were
 different types of carbonaceous chondrites.  So when you guys come on
 the List and start going back and forth with general nastiness, it
 carries more weight and grabs more attention than it would if I was
 saying it. (or some other Johnny Come Lately)  People are going to
 think - so this how meteorite people behave, I think I'll go collect
 pez dispensers now.

 Professional meteorite hunters (the successful ones, like you guys)
 live a life the rest of us armchair chasers dream of - you get to
 work by chasing space rocks and finding them.  It beats the hell out
 of getting up at 4:30am and running a forklift at a distribution
 center or digging ditches for a living.  (although, one could argue
 that finding meteorites does involve some ditch digging) - you guys
 are part of a very small brotherhood that gets to make a living from a
 PASSION.  How cool is that?  To wake up in the morning and ENJOY the
 idea of going to work.

 Steve is riding high on his Meteorite Men success right now - let him
 have it.  Damn, if the tables were turned, I'd like to think that any
 of us wouldn't get our hides skinned because we revelled in our
 success of finding meteorites.   And I understand what Mike is saying
 about too much hype - it what the radio does to new music - they run
 it into the ground until you are sick of hearing it.  But there is no
 reason to carry out a public slapfight over this.  Take it to private
 email.  Mike, I'm sure you have Steve's phone number - call him up and
 bitch him out over the phone so we don't have to hear it.  All you are
 doing is alienating customers/newbies - which I'm sure you don't care
 about because they are nickel and dime customers anyway.   Actually,
 if I was profit-minded, I'd be loving this - because for every newbie
 you guys turn off, they come running to people like me - and I am more
 than happy to sell them all of the nickel and dime meteorites they
 want.

 I promised myself and the List, I'd keep my mouth shut and think
 before hitting send - which I have done for a week now while this
 continues on and on.  So here you have it.

 Best regards and let's knock it off,

 MikeG


 On 7/15/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying
 it
 is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
 Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of
 Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct
 until they ran out)  I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and
 squeeze
 another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against
 them.
 I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with
 brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about
 $3.00,
 so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box
 so
 let's call it $30.00.

 I don't know why you cant just sell what you own for what it is, and not
 try
 to Billy Mays it all daytime TV style.
 It is good for a laugh though.

 Michael Farmer
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:23:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteorite...@yahoo.com writes:
I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with
brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00,
so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box
so let's call it $30.00.

Mike,

FYI, these are all listed at $0.99 on Ebay, not at $30.00

If anyone wants to pay more for any of these, they can offer more. It is
their choice.

I am sure, if you have your way as a very influential person in the
meteorite world, you will discourage EVERYONE from bidding on these, and they
will all just sell for $0.99 each, or maybe not even get any bids.
Personally, my goal is that each one sells for at least $2.25 so I can prove
to you
that my promotional efforts are worth more than the $1.00 that you said it
was only worth.

You don't know how much pleasure this brings me that just the announcement
tweaks you so much Mike? Thanks. It is all worth it now, even if they
all only sell for only $1.05 each.

By all means Mike, offer some of your own meteorite inventory in limited
quantities and see if you can get more for them. Anyone can buy the plastic
cases, but if you don't like the idea, fine, just use a cardboard box and
an paper ID card. I have a hunch people might like them in plastic cases
and in limited editions. It has been done before in other fields of
collectibles, why not with meteorites?

Maybe no one will like them. Maybe some people will. We will see. Of
course I could take some meteorites to China and have figurines caved out of
them, or have them made into jewelry, but I am trying this method to reach
out to new collectors to see how it goes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Life is good.

Steve Arnold
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[meteorite-list] A Stein full of enstatite

2009-07-15 Thread Darren Garrison

Check out the crater chain in one of the photos:

http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/15/steins-unveils-its-secrets/
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:23:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteorite...@yahoo.com writes:
Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying it
is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of
Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct until
they ran out) I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze
another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against them.
I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone with
brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for about $3.00,
so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition plastic box so
let's call it $30.00.

Mike,

Here is an idea for you, and you can have this idea all for yourself, I
won't tell anyone else about it. Just between you and me (and the 12 people
who read the List, but I am sure they won't tell anyone either.)

Mint up some token/coins. Then glue some meteorites on them that are
worth about $0.02 each. Stamp #4 of 45 on the back of them and sell them for
$30.00.

I know, at first you might think that anyone so stupid to do something
like selling a coin worth maybe $1 for $30 would only get people laughing at
them. And while I am sure you would think that would be a slimy Billy
Mays thing to do, maybe you should try it. I am sure no one will laugh at
you
if you at least tried it.

But, if you do something like that, be careful and not mention it on the
meteorite list, as there are some people on there that would attack you and
tell you it is stupid and that you are just trying to rip people off, and
they would try to get everyone else not to buy them.

Steve Arnold
of Meteorite Men

[meteorite-list] Commercials during the broadcasts?

2009-07-15 Thread Richard Kowalski


Love or hate Steve  Geoff, but it seems to me that some well placed 
commercials aired by other dealers while the MM shows are run seems to make 
sense to me. The commercials can be run only in your local market to keep the 
cost down and you have a built in audience. People interested in meteorites, 
even in passing, are watching the show. Isn't that the type of person you'd 
want to advertise to?

Just my $0.02 and probably not worth much more.


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2009-07-15 Thread Michael Farmer

Steve even a monkey would understand the difference between a minted
coin with numbers stamped on and a plastic box with handwritten paper.
By the way we many thousands for each limited edition coin. So yes no
one would deny that the meteorite is not worth anything to speak of
but the work in making the coin cost plenty.

We sell enogh of them that is for sure.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone
Michael

On Jul 15, 2009, at 10:13 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/15/2009 11:23:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteorite...@yahoo.com writes:
Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label
saying it

is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of
Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans
direct until

they ran out) I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze
another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity
against them.
I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later that anyone
with
brains will say, h .35 gram fragment of Allende retails for
about $3.00,
so I offer you $1.00 and not wow, this is a limited edition
plastic box so

let's call it $30.00.

Mike,

Here is an idea for you, and you can have this idea all for
yourself, I
won't tell anyone else about it. Just between you and me (and the
12 people

who read the List, but I am sure they won't tell anyone either.)

Mint up some token/coins. Then glue some meteorites on them that are
worth about $0.02 each. Stamp #4 of 45 on the back of them and
sell them for

$30.00.

I know, at first you might think that anyone so stupid to do
something
like selling a coin worth maybe $1 for $30 would only get people
laughing at
them. And while I am sure you would think that would be a slimy
Billy
Mays thing to do, maybe you should try it. I am sure no one will
laugh at you

if you at least tried it.

But, if you do something like that, be careful and not mention it
on the
meteorite list, as there are some people on there that would attack
you and
tell you it is stupid and that you are just trying to rip people
off, and

they would try to get everyone else not to buy them.

Steve Arnold
of Meteorite Men

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thu...

2009-07-15 Thread Jim Strope

Hi Steve,,,

In your enthusiasm to strike a fatal blow to your arch nemesis in the meteorite 
world you forgot one important fact.  The meteorite coins/tokens/medals (or 
whatever everyone wants to call them) are truely limited edition.  There will 
only be ONE #420 of the Campo coin or any other medal that has been struck 
using a reputable company using a mold and die process.  This is the main 
difference from a piece of paper with a number written on it.  I am not saying 
that you would make more than ONE #1 of any of your cases but in theory it 
could be easily done.

Also, there are quite a few of us selling meteorite coins/medals/tokens so when 
you are taking a shot at these collectables, well you are taking a shot at a 
lot of us.

Just because I fell good about going on vacation for a week, I will give 
discount on all of my meteorite coins/medals/tokens for the next 24 hours.  
$20- each for the Campo and NWA 869 Medals and $70- each for the planetary 
Medals.  Payment must be made by 5:00 Eastern Time on Thursday so that I can 
ship on my way to the airport on Friday.  Worldwide shipping costs are included 
in the discounted price.  Unfortunately, I can not take specific # orders on 
this short of notice.

For those of you who like to call them coins go to this link:
http://www.meteoritecoins.com

For those of you who like to call them medals go to this link:
http://www.meteoritemedals.com

For those of you who like to call them tokens go to this link:
http://www.meteoritetokens.com

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

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 From: meteorh...@aol.com 
 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:54 -0400 
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay 
 Closing on Thu... 
 
 Mike, 
 
 Mint up some token/coins. Then glue some meteorites on them that are 
 worth about $0.02 each. Stamp #4 of 45 on the back of them and sell them for 
 $30.00. 
 
 I know, at first you might think that anyone so stupid to do something 
 like selling a coin worth maybe $1 for $30 would only get people laughing at 
 them. And while I am sure you would think that would be a slimy Billy 
 Mays thing to do, maybe you should try it. I am sure no one will laugh at 
 you 
 if you at least tried it. 
 
 But, if you do something like that, be careful and not mention it on the 
 meteorite list, as there are some people on there that would attack you and 
 tell you it is stupid and that you are just trying to rip people off, and 
 they would try to get everyone else not to buy them. 
 
 Steve Arnold 
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[meteorite-list] AS: Auctions Ending Tonight + Deals

2009-07-15 Thread Meteorites USA

Hi Listees,

I have some auctions ending tonight. I had a huge sale last week, and
this week I'm selling some material at or below cost. One large whole
stone weighing 4963g is listed for a starting bid of only $999 or .20/g.
Serious offers will be considered.

All items listed are select hand picked pieces with great aesthetics and
very affordably priced. Collectors this is a good time to get some
previously higher priced item for a bargain!

Plus...

Free shipping inside the USA on all orders above $50. Lots of Buy-It-Now
items in our store. Some meteorites starting at .99 cents.

All Auctions Store Items: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn
Visit Our Store: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bits-Of-Earth-LLC
All Meteorites:
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bits-Of-Earth-LLC_Meteorites_W0QQ_fsubZ18165848

Special Items:
---
4963g Whole Stone - Large Chondrite Meteorite Specimen, Moderate to High
Magnetism, Iron and chondrules visible through surface of stone.

http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-Premium-Chondrite-Huge-Whole-Stone-4963g_W0QQitemZ250463529632

175g Nicely Crusted Corner Cut
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-CHONDRITE-FROM-SAHARA-CORNER-CUT-NWA-175-0g_W0QQitemZ260446785918

772.2g Whole Stone - Very good piece for cutting! I will most likely cut
this piece and charge double if it does not sell soon.

http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-Premium-NWA-Chondrite-LARGE-STONE-772-2g_W0QQitemZ250464932208

664.9g Whole Thumbprinted Stone - Pretty EGG SHAPED stone.
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-Premium-NWA-Chondrite-Large-Stone-664-9g_W0QQitemZ250464932198

337.6 Polished End Cut - NICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-Premium-Chondrite-POLISHED-END-CUT-337-6g_W0QQitemZ260446785945

Remember shipping inside the USA is free on $50+ orders. I will combine
shipping costs on overseas orders based on weight.

Those who would like discounts, contact me for bulk purchases off-list.
ALL bulk prices are negotiable and based on quantity.

Thanks for looking Happy Bidding!

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http://www.meteoritesusa.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thu...

2009-07-15 Thread SPACEROCKSINC

Cool deal Jim! Beautifully done collectable's!

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In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:35:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nwa...@comcast.net writes:
Hi Steve,,,

In your enthusiasm to strike a fatal blow to your arch nemesis in the
meteorite world you forgot one important fact. The meteorite
coins/tokens/medals (or whatever everyone wants to call them) are truly
limited edition.
There will only be ONE #420 of the Campo coin or any other medal that has
been struck using a reputable company using a mold and die process. This is
the main difference from a piece of paper with a number written on it. I am
not saying that you would make more than ONE #1 of any of your cases but
in theory it could be easily done.

Also, there are quite a few of us selling meteorite coins/medals/tokens so
when you are taking a shot at these collectable's, well you are taking a
shot at a lot of us.

Just because I fell good about going on vacation for a week, I will give
discount on all of my meteorite coins/medals/tokens for the next 24 hours.
$20- each for the Campo and NWA 869 Medals and $70- each for the planetary
Medals. Payment must be made by 5:00 Eastern Time on Thursday so that I
can ship on my way to the airport on Friday. Worldwide shipping costs are
included in the discounted price. Unfortunately, I can not take specific #
orders on this short of notice.

For those of you who like to call them coins go to this link:
http://www.meteoritecoins.com

For those of you who like to call them medals go to this link:
http://www.meteoritemedals.com

For those of you who like to call them tokens go to this link:
http://www.meteoritetokens.com

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038

http://www.imeteorites.com

From: meteorh...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:54 -0400
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay
Closing on Thu...

Mike,

Mint up some token/coins. Then glue some meteorites on them that are
worth about $0.02 each. Stamp #4 of 45 on the back of them and sell them
for
$30.00.

I know, at first you might think that anyone so stupid to do something
like selling a coin worth maybe $1 for $30 would only get people
laughing at
them. And while I am sure you would think that would be a slimy Billy
Mays thing to do, maybe you should try it. I am sure no one will laugh
at you
if you at least tried it.

But, if you do something like that, be careful and not mention it on the
meteorite list, as there are some people on there that would attack you
and
tell you it is stupid and that you are just trying to rip people off,
and
they would try to get everyone else not to buy them.

Steve Arnold
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on TV again 4 times in next 3 days

2009-07-15 Thread Pete Shugar

Is there anyone with either a DVD recorder or a VHS recorder that can record 
the show for me?

I do not have cable so this will be the only way I can get to see it.
Pete IMCA 1733

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on TV again 4 times in next 3 days

Hello Folks,

For any of you who missed  the TV show Meteorite Men, or for those of 
you

who would like to watch it  again, it is airing 4 more times over the next
3 days on the Science  Channel.

Wed.  July 15, 8:00 pm Eastern Time
Wed.  July 15,  11:00 pm Eastern Time
Thurs. July 16, 3:00 pm  Eastern  Time
Fri. July 17, 3:00 am Eastern Time

You  can also check the listings  here:

http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15725.126184.3
6729.1

More  info about the show can be found at:   www.MeteoriteMen.com

Enjoy!

Steve Arnold
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[meteorite-list] UNWA Chondrules Galore - Blue ones, white ones, armored ones, and more. :)

Hi List!

Last night I cut open some small UNWA stones and got a couple of
pleasant surprises.

I cut about 30 stones last night - all of them the size of a walnut or
smaller. Most of them were nothing to write home about (or write to
the List about). But 2 were standouts.

The first stone weighs about 10 grams and has a wind polished desert
varnish on it - chondrules were visible on the surface, but I expected
a matrix similar to NWA 869 - based on similar-looking stones I have
cut. Instead, I saw a pleasant black matrix with abundant chondrules.
The chondrules are packed tightly together and there are lots of
metal veins that snake around between the chondrules. A couple of the
chondrules are armored with perfect rings of metal around them.
Based on this stone's metal content, magnetic attraction, and abundant
chondrules, I am thinking it might be an H3. Does anyone have any
comments? Could it be a metal-rich carbonaceous type? Sanding a
slice to 320 grit produced a decent shine and removed the saw marks,
but didn't enhance the chondrules much - it might the white ones stand
out more, but the others became harder to see. I took photos of the
polished slice and the unsanded slices. There is also a photo of the
main mass stone.

Closeup of sanded slice with armored chondrule -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/slice-chondrules.jpg

Sanded slice with armored chondrule -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/slice-close-chondrules.jpg

Unsanded slice -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/slice-close-chondrules-rough.jpg

Another -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/slice-chondrules-rough-2.jpg

Yet another rough slice
-http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/slice-chondrules-rough.jpg

The main mass -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/chondrules-stone.jpg

...

The second interesting stone is chondrule rich. It has a reddish
matrix with blue chondrules (and some others). It has the usual
nickel-iron flecks, but there are also blebs of brassy troilite.
Sanding a slice to 320 blurred the details, so this is another one
that shows better without sanding.

Red matrix troilite -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/red-chondrules-troilite.jpg

Closeup of red matrix slice -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/red-chondrules-troilite-close3.jpg

Another closeup -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/red-chondrules-troilite-2.jpg

...

Here is a 3rd stone that was unremarkable, except for this big honkin
white chondrule -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/honker.jpg

...

Time to get a polarizer assembly! -
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/chondrules/microscope.jpg

Does anyone have any comments on what the pictured stones above might be? (type)

The black one with armored chondrules might take a good polish - I
have some finer sandpaper and rouge on the way. :)

Best regards,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite Just Found!

2009-07-15 Thread SPACEROCKSINC

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/New-Arizona-Meteorite-fall-2009.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thu...

Hello Jim,

I am sorry if I didn't make this clear, but let me state it one more time.

I have absolutely no problem with people selling limited edition meteorite
coins or limited edition meteorite tokens or limited edition meteorite
medals. Or limited edition meteorite anythings.

I am all for it.

I think it is a great idea.

I might even see if we can make up some limited edition Meteorite Men
coins. Maybe one for each episode.

I however do have a problem with people that are hypocrites in slamming
something else that is a limited edition that someone else is testing out.

Is there a difference between the prototype line of limited edition
meteorite specimens in a plastic case with a hand numbered ID and limited
edition
coins with a number stamped in it by a machine? Sure there is.
Especially if the coin is legal tender and minted by a recognized government
whereby
there could be prison terms attached if someone is convicted of
counterfeiting and trafficking in them.

Could I make up ten #4 out of 6 ID cards for the Prototype Colony, OK
CO3.0 Meteorite slab, and sell them under the table, because I am writing the
numbers in by hand? Sure.

Could someone with a non-legal tender tokens have ten #4 out of 420 tokens
made up? Sure.

Could someone with legal tender coins from a real country have ten #4 out
of 420 coins minted...maybe, but probably not as likely due to the
counterfeiting laws.

Could someone have 100 grams of a meteorite that the Meteorite Bulletin
says there is only 75 grams TKW in existence? Sure.

I suppose it comes down to trust.

As for your comment about my attempt to strake a fatal blow to my arch
nemesis in the meteorite world I would have to take issue with that comment.
I am under no delusion that my comments will make any significant impact
in that arena. While he is on record that he sees this a blood sport to
justify his gladiator complex I am just content at self defense. I have
never said anything on the offense against him, only in defending against
his delusional public comments.

By the way Jim, I appreciate your marketing savvy to sneak in an AD for
your coins, tokens and medals. I hope this thread helps you sell a few more of
them!

Steve Arnold
of Meteorite Men

In a message dated 7/15/2009 2:35:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
nwa...@comcast.net writes:
Hi Steve,,,

In your enthusiasm to strike a fatal blow to your arch nemesis in the
meteorite world you forgot one important fact. The meteorite
coins/tokens/medals (or whatever everyone wants to call them) are truely
limited edition.
There will only be ONE #420 of the Campo coin or any other medal that has
been struck using a reputable company using a mold and die process. This is
the main difference from a piece of paper with a number written on it. I
am not saying that you would make more than ONE #1 of any of your cases but
in theory it could be easily done.

Also, there are quite a few of us selling meteorite coins/medals/tokens so
when you are taking a shot at these collectables, well you are taking a
shot at a lot of us.

For those of you who like to call them coins go to this link:
http://www.meteoritecoins.com

For those of you who like to call them medals go to this link:
http://www.meteoritemedals.com

For those of you who like to call them tokens go to this link:
http://www.meteoritetokens.com

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038

http://www.imeteorites.com

[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - July 15, 2009

2009-07-15 Thread Ron Baalke



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
July 15, 2009

o Crater and Plains Deposit NW of Herschel Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007119_1700

o Disappearing and Shrinking Dome Dunes
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007080_2565

o Light-Toned Layers in Noctis Labyrinthus
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007035_1670

o Jeans Crater Dune Field Seasonal Monitoring
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007013_1105

o Fresh Crater on Floor of Pasteur Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007004_2000

o Defrosting in Inca City
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011544_0985
 
All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

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[meteorite-list] NWA 5205 LL3.2 - update

2009-07-15 Thread Marcin Cimala


Hello
Most of specimens with incredible chondruls was sell, so I prepared new 
slices.


This time there are both kind of chondruls. Large and small. Slices with 
small chondruls could be perfect for thin sections becouse on the same area 
You can have 2x more chondruls.


In fact slices with small chondruls looks identical like slices with large 
chondruls. They are also packed one near others like sardines in can.


http://www.PolandMET.com

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http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thu...

In a message dated 7/15/2009 1:03:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteoritehun...@comcast.net writes:
Steve even a monkey would understand the difference between a minted
coin with numbers stamped on and a plastic box with handwritten paper.
By the way we many thousands for each limited edition coin. So yes no
one would deny that the meteorite is not worth anything to speak of
but the work in making the coin cost plenty.

We sell enogh of them that is for sure.
Michael Farmer

Mike,

You don't get it do you?

I have no problem with making and selling meteorite coins as collectibles.

Never once have you ever heard me say anything bad about them.

In fact, we might just mint a Meteorite Men collectible coin now that I am
thinking about it, especially if you promise to get mad about it and come
here on the list and help promote it by saying it is a stupid Billy Mays
idea.

My point was to sarcastically point out that you are a big hypocrite in
just about everything thing you do. I am sure someone with more free time
than I have could go back in the archives and pull out all kinds of things
that you come on here and vomit about, spewing your vile hatred and
jealousies about, when you have done some of the same things yourself.

In the big scheme of things, putting a meteorites in plastic holders and
assigning a limited edition numbers is not that evil of a thing to do.
Really Mike, it isn't that bad.

We as dealers often promote the Total Known Weight (TKW) and the Total
Available Weight (TAW) outside of public collections as a factor in helping
people determine how rare something is. Nininger made up things like the
Canyon Diablo Stars. Are you telling me that if the Nininger Stars had a
piece of paper on them with a hand written limited edition number on them, it
would not help their values as collectibles?

Would it have helped Nininger sell more back then if he did? Probably
not...but maybe. Will they help me sell more now? Probably not...but maybe.
So why not do it? It takes more time to make up each one that way, but my
guess is that if I had one up that was not limited and an identical one up
that was part of a limited edition, the limited edition one would bring a
bit of a premium.

You think it is stupid. I think, why not do it, just in case it isn't
stupid? If it doesn't help, all I am out is a little extra time in
individualizing each one.

So as a dealer today, what is wrong with me saying I am only going to
selling 6 pieces of Colony in the slabs, and that is it. Or I am only selling
7 of Delaware, AR? Do you ever come on the list and say Only one
remaining? Or Only 3 complete slices will come from this specimen?

You do it all the time. All the time.

Yet you and your Tourette's Syndrome of the finger tips just can't hold
back from coming on here and bashing me every chance you get. It is actually
getting quite flattering Mike.

And then you can't resist telling me that people are laughing at me as
if that would really matter to me.

If I was insecure and obsessively worried about what people think about me
and that people might be laughing at me (like some people must obviously
be) then maybe it would bother me. But I don't really care if people laugh
at me. In fact, the comedian in me kind of likes the idea that people are
laughing.

Besides, getting advice from you on how I should act to avoid other people
laughing behind my back is, well...ironic at best, considering the source.

At worst, it is like how the Republican leaders come on the TV and give
advice to the Democrats to tell them what they need to do if the Democrats
want to get reelected.

So rest assured Mike, you don't have to come on here and defend yourself
as to why minting coins is a good idea. I like the idea.

I was just using irony to get my point across.

Someone suggested that I should sell one of the T-shirts I wore on the TV
show on Ebay, just to tweak you even more. I could number it #1 of 1.
What do you think Mike? Would I get more than $1 for it?

If you promise to get mad, and promote it on the list for me, I will put
the T-shirt up for sale, just for you.

Oh, and for the rest of you, FYI the president of the Science Channel has
inquired with us about the possibility of selling meteorites from
Discovery's website, maybe even promoting them on our show. Testing out a
possible
idea on a small scale is not always considered a stupid idea before
suggesting rolling out thousands of something.

Steve Arnold
of Meteorite Men

Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thu...

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Farmer


Ok Steve you win I lose this game. I will sit back and watch from now on for 
the good of us all. 
Too happy right now to argue.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone
Michael 


On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:28 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/15/2009 1:03:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
meteoritehun...@comcast.net writes:
Steve even a monkey would understand the  difference between a minted  
coin with numbers stamped on and a plastic  box with handwritten paper.  
By the way we many thousands for each  limited edition coin. So yes no  
one would deny that the meteorite is  not worth anything to speak of  
but the work in making the coin cost  plenty.

We sell enogh of them that is for sure.
Michael  Farmer

*

Mike,

You don't get it do you?

I have no problem with  making and selling meteorite coins as collectibles. 

Never once have you  ever heard me say anything bad about them.  

In fact, we might just  mint a Meteorite Men collectible coin now that I am 
thinking about it,  especially if you promise to get mad about it and come 
here on the list and help  promote it by saying it is a stupid Billy Mays 
idea.

My point was to  sarcastically point out that you are a big hypocrite in 
just about everything  thing you do.  I am sure someone with more free time 
than I have could go  back in the archives and pull out all kinds of things 
that you come on here and  vomit about, spewing your vile hatred and 
jealousies about, when you have done  some of the same things yourself. 

In the big scheme of things, putting a  meteorites in plastic holders and 
assigning a limited edition numbers is not  that evil of a thing to do.  
Really Mike, it isn't that bad.

We as  dealers often promote the Total Known Weight (TKW) and the Total 
Available  Weight (TAW) outside of public collections as a factor in helping 
people  determine how rare something is.  Nininger made up things like the 
Canyon  Diablo Stars.  Are you telling me that if the Nininger Stars had  a 
piece of paper on them with a hand written limited edition number on them, it  
would not help their values as collectibles?

Would it have helped Nininger sell more back then if he did?   Probably 
not...but maybe.  Will they help me sell more now?  Probably  not...but maybe.  
So why not do it?  It takes more time to make up  each one that way, but my 
guess is that if I had one up that was not limited and  an identical one up 
that was part of a limited edition, the limited edition one  would bring a 
bit of a premium. 

You think it is stupid.  I think, why not do it, just in case it isn't  
stupid?  If it doesn't help, all I am out is a little extra time in  
individualizing each one.

So as a dealer today, what is wrong with me  saying I am only going to 
selling 6 pieces of Colony in the slabs, and that is  it.  Or I am only selling 
7 of Delaware, AR?  Do you ever come on the  list and say Only one 
remaining?  Or Only 3 complete slices will come  from this specimen? 

You do it all the time.  All the time.  

Yet you and your Tourette's Syndrome of the finger tips just can't hold  
back from coming on here and bashing me every chance you get.  It is  actually 
getting quite flattering Mike.

And then you can't resist telling  me that people are laughing at me as 
if that would really matter to me.  

If I was insecure and obsessively worried about what people think about me  
and that people might be laughing at me (like some people must obviously 
be)  then maybe it would bother me.  But I don't really care if people  laugh 
at me.  In fact, the comedian in me kind of likes the idea that  people are 
laughing.  

Besides, getting advice from you on how I should act to avoid  other people 
laughing behind my back is, well...ironic at  best, considering the source. 


At worst, it is like how the Republican leaders come on the TV and  give 
advice to the Democrats to tell them what they need to do if the  Democrats 
want to get reelected.   

So rest assured Mike,  you don't have to come on here and defend yourself 
as to why minting coins is a  good idea.  I like the idea.  

I was just using irony to get my  point across. 

Someone suggested that I should sell one of the T-shirts I  wore on the TV 
show on Ebay, just to tweak you even more.  I could number  it #1 of 1.  
What do you think Mike?  Would I get more than $1 for  it?

If you promise to get mad, and promote it on the list for me, I  will put 
the T-shirt up for sale, just for you.

Oh, and for the rest of you, FYI the president of the Science Channel has  
inquired with us about the possibility of selling meteorites from 
Discovery's  website, maybe even promoting them on our show.  Testing out a  
possible 
idea on a small scale is not always considered a stupid idea before  
suggesting rolling out thousands of something.  

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of  Meteorite Men

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Thanks Mike! That's really cool of you.

Here's something I just found in the news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090715/sc_afp/spaceasteroids_20090715172011

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Sometimes I understand, why scientists and also some of the newer collector
generation regard us dealers as a lousy rabble...

You cannot be serious! To contend with eachother about boxes and coins?

Hint, don't continue, that damages your brands as mighty meteorite
hunters... I'd say.

Coke or Pepsi - there are people, who drink both...

Cheers.
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2009-07-15 Thread Dave Gheesling

Steve,
My stepson has Tourette Syndrome.  Thankfully not coprolalia...yet, anyway.
But c'mon...
DG 

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Closing on Thu...

In a message dated 7/15/2009 1:03:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
meteoritehun...@comcast.net writes:
Steve even a monkey would understand the  difference between a minted coin
with numbers stamped on and a plastic  box with handwritten paper.  
By the way we many thousands for each  limited edition coin. So yes no one
would deny that the meteorite is  not worth anything to speak of but the
work in making the coin cost  plenty.

We sell enogh of them that is for sure.
Michael  Farmer

*

Mike,

You don't get it do you?

I have no problem with  making and selling meteorite coins as collectibles. 

Never once have you  ever heard me say anything bad about them.  

In fact, we might just  mint a Meteorite Men collectible coin now that I am
thinking about it,  especially if you promise to get mad about it and come
here on the list and help  promote it by saying it is a stupid Billy Mays 
idea.

My point was to  sarcastically point out that you are a big hypocrite in
just about everything  thing you do.  I am sure someone with more free time
than I have could go  back in the archives and pull out all kinds of things
that you come on here and  vomit about, spewing your vile hatred and
jealousies about, when you have done  some of the same things yourself. 

In the big scheme of things, putting a  meteorites in plastic holders and
assigning a limited edition numbers is not  that evil of a thing to do.  
Really Mike, it isn't that bad.

We as  dealers often promote the Total Known Weight (TKW) and the Total
Available  Weight (TAW) outside of public collections as a factor in helping
people  determine how rare something is.  Nininger made up things like the
Canyon  Diablo Stars.  Are you telling me that if the Nininger Stars had  a
piece of paper on them with a hand written limited edition number on them,
it would not help their values as collectibles?
 
Would it have helped Nininger sell more back then if he did?   Probably 
not...but maybe.  Will they help me sell more now?  Probably  not...but
maybe.  
So why not do it?  It takes more time to make up  each one that way, but my
guess is that if I had one up that was not limited and  an identical one up
that was part of a limited edition, the limited edition one  would bring a
bit of a premium. 
 
You think it is stupid.  I think, why not do it, just in case it isn't
stupid?  If it doesn't help, all I am out is a little extra time in
individualizing each one.

So as a dealer today, what is wrong with me  saying I am only going to
selling 6 pieces of Colony in the slabs, and that is  it.  Or I am only
selling
7 of Delaware, AR?  Do you ever come on the  list and say Only one
remaining?  Or Only 3 complete slices will come  from this specimen? 

You do it all the time.  All the time.  
 
Yet you and your Tourette's Syndrome of the finger tips just can't hold back
from coming on here and bashing me every chance you get.  It is  actually
getting quite flattering Mike.

And then you can't resist telling  me that people are laughing at me as if
that would really matter to me.  
 
If I was insecure and obsessively worried about what people think about me
and that people might be laughing at me (like some people must obviously
be)  then maybe it would bother me.  But I don't really care if people
laugh at me.  In fact, the comedian in me kind of likes the idea that
people are laughing.  
 
Besides, getting advice from you on how I should act to avoid  other people
laughing behind my back is, well...ironic at  best, considering the source. 
 
 
At worst, it is like how the Republican leaders come on the TV and  give
advice to the Democrats to tell them what they need to do if the  Democrats 
want to get reelected.   

So rest assured Mike,  you don't have to come on here and defend yourself as
to why minting coins is a  good idea.  I like the idea.  

I was just using irony to get my  point across. 

Someone suggested that I should sell one of the T-shirts I  wore on the TV
show on Ebay, just to tweak you even more.  I could number  it #1 of 1.  
What do you think Mike?  Would I get more than $1 for  it?

If you promise to get mad, and promote it on the list for me, I  will put
the T-shirt up for sale, just for you.
 
Oh, and for the rest of you, FYI the president of the Science Channel has
inquired with us about the possibility of selling meteorites from
Discovery's  website, maybe even promoting them on our show.  Testing out a
possible idea on a small scale is not always considered a stupid idea
before suggesting rolling out thousands of

Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Gheesling

Jim/All,
Ditto!  A terrific part of the list, but by no means free for Michael...
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Keep up the good work Michael.  You provide a valuable service for all of us
to share specimens with each other without asking for any pat on the back

Hopefully we are all helping support your work by clicking on the paypal
donation button!

Jim Strope
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http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 

  
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In a message dated 7/15/2009 7:04:19 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
d...@fallingrocks.com writes:
Steve,
My stepson has  Tourette Syndrome.  Thankfully not coprolalia...yet, anyway.
But  c'mon...
DG 

***

Dave,

My apologies go out.  

I did not intend to insult anyone with Tourette's Syndrome (especially  
your stepson) by insinuating that they might be on the level of  Mike's recent 
behavior. 

Besides, Mike has called a truce and promised  not to fight anymore, and I 
am sure he is a man of his word. 

We can all  live peaceably now.

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2009-07-15 Thread Dave Gheesling

I owe an apology to the group too, as I did not mean to Reply All with
that response.  Geez...sorry about that, gang...
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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In a message dated 7/15/2009 7:04:19 P.M.  Central Daylight Time,
d...@fallingrocks.com writes:
Steve,
My stepson has  Tourette Syndrome.  Thankfully not coprolalia...yet, anyway.
But  c'mon...
DG 

***

Dave,

My apologies go out.  

I did not intend to insult anyone with Tourette's Syndrome (especially your
stepson) by insinuating that they might be on the level of  Mike's recent
behavior. 

Besides, Mike has called a truce and promised  not to fight anymore, and I
am sure he is a man of his word. 

We can all  live peaceably now.

Steve Arnold
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Hey,


I prefer coke when I decide to drink that crap, but sometimes I will  
go with a pepsi. Both sodas are crap in my opinion. I once used a can  
of coke to clean my battery cables that were caked with terminal build- 
up. I once saw a pepsi can (I believe) used in a photograph to show  
how big a chondrite was. I believe Jim Strope did that once.


I have taken the drink of both. How many people on the list can drink  
either Pepsi or Coke, I wonder?


Best Wishes

Michael

On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

Sometimes I understand, why scientists and also some of the newer  
collector

generation regard us dealers as a lousy rabble...

You cannot be serious! To contend with eachother about boxes and  
coins?


Hint, don't continue, that damages your brands as mighty meteorite
hunters... I'd say.

Coke or Pepsi - there are people, who drink both...

Cheers.
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Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the  
best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

Michael




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Besides Nininger? You mean, still alive?

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2009-07-15 Thread countdeiro

To all from a newbie,

What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage commentary. 
I'm one of the newbies who has been chasing sites on the web and crusing eBay 
buying nickel and dime specimens. Fact is, I have bought nickel and dime 
meteorites from Steve and Mike and MikeG and a half dozen other dealers on the 
List here, and in Europe and the Orient.  That's where newbies start... and 
you know what happens after they have filled their cabinets with the cheap 
compulsory examples and read the right books, accessed the data banks, 
subscribed to the pubs and read your on line stories and wowed over your 
finds? Eventually, they have the good fortune to tap into the List..as I did 
a few weeks ago. What an amazing resource! The science is right there for me to 
read and see..and free! Wonderful dissertations by respected and credentialed 
professionals..the very names in the books. ( Incidentally, Martin's letters 
are in a class of their own.) Why, for a while there I thought 
 I was back at Indiana U. in a graduate program...Well, at least until I 
started reading the contentious posts about the Arizona and the Pennslyvania 
falls and the ongoing dust up over the pros and cons of hyping the 
marketing of space rocks, the personal digs, ill concealed expressions of envy, 
borderline slanders and finger pointing... then I knew I was back in 
school...kindergarten.

Count Deiro  
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD,  New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay   
Closing on Thursday Night

Hi Steve, Mike and List,

From the peanut gallery -

Ok guys, enough is enough.  This back and forth is making us all look
bad and making meteorites look bad by proxy.  Newbies are going to
come here and think that space rocks infect people with Andromeda
Strain madness.

Look, when I act up and say stupid things on the List, most people
ignore it.  Who am I anyway?

But you guys are the big names in the field - you guys are
representatives of the hobby.  You are in magazines and on TV.  I knew
who Steve Arnold and Mike Farmer were before I knew there were
different types of carbonaceous chondrites.  So when you guys come on
the List and start going back and forth with general nastiness, it
carries more weight and grabs more attention than it would if I was
saying it. (or some other Johnny Come Lately)  People are going to
think - so this how meteorite people behave, I think I'll go collect
pez dispensers now.

Professional meteorite hunters (the successful ones, like you guys)
live a life the rest of us armchair chasers dream of - you get to
work by chasing space rocks and finding them.  It beats the hell out
of getting up at 4:30am and running a forklift at a distribution
center or digging ditches for a living.  (although, one could argue
that finding meteorites does involve some ditch digging) - you guys
are part of a very small brotherhood that gets to make a living from a
PASSION.  How cool is that?  To wake up in the morning and ENJOY the
idea of going to work.

Steve is riding high on his Meteorite Men success right now - let him
have it.  Damn, if the tables were turned, I'd like to think that any
of us wouldn't get our hides skinned because we revelled in our
success of finding meteorites.   And I understand what Mike is saying
about too much hype - it what the radio does to new music - they run
it into the ground until you are sick of hearing it.  But there is no
reason to carry out a public slapfight over this.  Take it to private
email.  Mike, I'm sure you have Steve's phone number - call him up and
bitch him out over the phone so we don't have to hear it.  All you are
doing is alienating customers/newbies - which I'm sure you don't care
about because they are nickel and dime customers anyway.   Actually,
if I was profit-minded, I'd be loving this - because for every newbie
you guys turn off, they come running to people like me - and I am more
than happy to sell them all of the nickel and dime meteorites they
want.

I promised myself and the List, I'd keep my mouth shut and think
before hitting send - which I have done for a week now while this
continues on and on.  So here you have it.

Best regards and let's knock it off,

MikeG


On 7/15/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying it
 is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
 Damn, can't believe I didn't think of that first. I have thousands of
 Allende fragments, (I used to buy kilos of them from the Mexicans direct
 until they ran out)  I could really ramp up the gimmicks to try and squeeze
 another buck or two out of the buyer using their own stupidity against them.
 I am sure though, when they go to sell their box later

Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly clear  
that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular  
community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just  
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold  
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


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ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is  
the  best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

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Not easy to answer.
By weight, by different types, by different finds, by number of pieces, by
importance of the finds  ??

Does Antarctica count? Seems aside the environmental aspects easier to spot
meteorites there (and it's out of competition, cause perhaps less
sportmanslike, if you get all paid by public money).  

And we don't know, who of the Russians found exactly which stone in Oman and
elsewhere.
I'd guess in our times, it must be one of them.

Martin



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This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the  
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I am curious?

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Alive today...
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Carl 's wrote:




Besides Nininger? You mean, still alive?

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Harvey Nininger, hands down.


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 Hello,

 This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the
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 I am curious?

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Hello,

Yes it would be very difficult to narrow it down. Many, many factors  
indeed!


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:


Not easy to answer.
By weight, by different types, by different finds, by number of  
pieces, by

importance of the finds  ??

Does Antarctica count? Seems aside the environmental aspects easier  
to spot

meteorites there (and it's out of competition, cause perhaps less
sportmanslike, if you get all paid by public money).

And we don't know, who of the Russians found exactly which stone in  
Oman and

elsewhere.
I'd guess in our times, it must be one of them.

Martin



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Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the
best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?

I am curious?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

 If we limit it to the living, then my vote goes to Hopper the Dog. ;)




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 Harvey Nininger, hands down.


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 best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?

 I am curious?

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No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within the 
first few minutes of your post.


If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

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To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST 
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Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly clear 
that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular 
community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just 
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold 
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


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Hello,

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best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Man, I can name at least 10 people, maybe more, all in the US. Many can name 
many more in the world but I don't know them. Tough to name just one.

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But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.  
That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as  
personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,  
Nininger found very, very few...


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within  
the first few minutes of your post.


If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

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To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
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Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly  
clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the  
subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular  
community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just  
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold  
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is   
the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

Michael




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Nininger found very, very few...

If you count several hundred (or thousands) Canyon Diablos as a few. ;)




On 7/15/09, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:
 But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
 That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
 personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
 Nininger found very, very few...

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
 the first few minutes of your post.

 If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

 Mark Grossman

 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham
 mikew...@gilanet.com
 
 To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
 clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
 subject.

 Best Wishes

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 Simple question.

 You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular
 community just knows.

 And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just
 reputation built on accomplishment.

 Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
 investigation, etc.

 Everyone just knows.

 Mark Grossman


 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham
 mikew...@gilanet.com
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


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 This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is
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 I am curious?

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and I found 27 kilos of small Imilac's one time, with about 4,000  
individuals total. However, It counts as one...


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:


Nininger found very, very few...

If you count several hundred (or thousands) Canyon Diablos as a  
few. ;)





On 7/15/09, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:

But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
Nininger found very, very few...

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
the first few minutes of your post.

If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham
mikew...@gilanet.com



To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
subject.

Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular
community just knows.

And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just
reputation built on accomplishment.

Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
investigation, etc.

Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


- Original Message - From: michael cottingham
mikew...@gilanet.com



To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is
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I am curious?

Michael




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You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field.  If you have to 
ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular community, 
THE best is yet to be determined.


Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in my 
opinion, that is!)


Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without 
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who everyone 
acknowledges is THE best.


Mark

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To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST 
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.  That 
is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as  personal 
recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,  Nininger found 
very, very few...


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within  the 
first few minutes of your post.


If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham 
mikew...@gilanet.com


To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  BEST 
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly  clear 
that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the  subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular 
community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just 
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold 
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


- Original Message - From: michael cottingham 
mikew...@gilanet.com


To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  BEST 
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is   the 
best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

Michael




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Hello,

I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about  
who the best mold investigator is though?!!


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field.  If you  
have to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the  
particular community, THE best is yet to be determined.


Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals  
(in my opinion, that is!)


Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without  
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who  
everyone acknowledges is THE best.


Mark

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com 


To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many  
meteorites.  That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that,  
but as far as  personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found  
the meteorite,  Nininger found very, very few...


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned  
within  the first few minutes of your post.


If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS  
THE  BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly   
clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the   
subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the  
particular community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just  
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold  
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


- Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE   
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who  
is   the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

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Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular community 
just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just reputation 
built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold investigation, 
etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST 
SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




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I am curious?

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[meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro




Welcome Count. I'm a newbie, too. You say you bought from Mike, Steve and the 
others- then you should know they're just kidding around. They do this every so 
often just to fool people looking in. One big happy family we are!:-D Really!

Carl

Count Deiro wrote:

To all from a newbie,
What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage commentary...


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Aaaah.  You got me there.  In terms of localities, then it's probably
someone currently alive.  Then I'd hazard to say Bob Haag - for taking
Nininger's methods worldwide.  BTW, does Bob still hunt regularly and
does he read this list?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 7/15/09, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:
 and I found 27 kilos of small Imilac's one time, with about 4,000
 individuals total. However, It counts as one...

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

 Nininger found very, very few...

 If you count several hundred (or thousands) Canyon Diablos as a
 few. ;)




 On 7/15/09, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:
 But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
 That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
 personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
 Nininger found very, very few...

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
 the first few minutes of your post.

 If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

 Mark Grossman

 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham
 mikew...@gilanet.com

 To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
 clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
 subject.

 Best Wishes

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 Simple question.

 You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the particular
 community just knows.

 And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just
 reputation built on accomplishment.

 Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
 investigation, etc.

 Everyone just knows.

 Mark Grossman


 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham
 mikew...@gilanet.com

 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


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 I am curious?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread Brian

Reminds me of the movie Apollo 13 when the media asked the first 7 who 
was the best astronaut and they all raised their hands.

Brian Barnett

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

Hello,

Yes it would be very difficult to narrow it down. Many, many factors
indeed!

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

Not easy to answer.
By weight, by different types, by different finds, by number of  pieces, 
by

importance of the finds  ??

Does Antarctica count? Seems aside the environmental aspects easier  to 
spot

meteorites there (and it's out of competition, cause perhaps less
sportmanslike, if you get all paid by public money).

And we don't know, who of the Russians found exactly which stone in  Oman 
and

elsewhere.
I'd guess in our times, it must be one of them.

Martin

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Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the
best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?

I am curious?

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[meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite Fall - Update July 15, 2009

2009-07-15 Thread SPACEROCKSINC

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/New-Arizona-Meteorite-fall-2009.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite Fall - Update July 15, 2009

No wonder Farmer was happy.  I'd be loopy!  Nice find.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Trust me,  you don't want to know!

I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over 
the years.  It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so 
much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos 
remediation and lead remediation.


It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I 
really don't know.


In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob 
Haag comes to my mind.  Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know. 
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby 
think - right or wrong.   I will leave it for others on the list to discuss 
the merits.


But when I think of physics, I think Einstein.  When I think of Chemistry, I 
think Lavoisier.  Granted, these are deceased.


But I feel really strongly about the concept.  The great people, whoever 
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments, 
regardless of any promotion and hype.  If it's just promotion and hype, they 
are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.


In any event, thanks for the question!  Kind of interesting!

Mark

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Hello,

I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about  who 
the best mold investigator is though?!!


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field.  If you  have 
to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the  particular 
community, THE best is yet to be determined.


Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals  (in 
my opinion, that is!)


Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without 
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who 
everyone acknowledges is THE best.


Mark

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But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many  meteorites. 
That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that,  but as far as 
personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found  the meteorite, 
Nininger found very, very few...


Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned  within 
the first few minutes of your post.


If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

Mark Grossman

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Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly 
clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the 
subject.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


Simple question.

You don't have to determine who it is.  Everyone in the  particular 
community just knows.


And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles.  Just 
reputation built on accomplishment.


Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold 
investigation, etc.


Everyone just knows.

Mark Grossman


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Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who  is 
the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

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[meteorite-list] Audio Files from Apollo

2009-07-15 Thread David Pensenstadler


Dear List:

Check out the link below for unheard audio from the Apollo missions.

Dave

July 15, 2009

John Yembrick 
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HOUSTON -- You're in a spacecraft, on a mission to land on the moon 
for the first time in history, and the microphone to Earth is off. 
What do you say? 

Now you can listen in on a NASA Web site and find out. 

As Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Mike Collins flew on Apollo 11 to a 
lunar landing in July 1969, the world heard communications between 
the crew and Mission Control live as they happened. But Earth did not 
hear the private conversations between Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins, 
although they were recorded aboard the Command Module Columbia and 
Lunar Module Eagle. 

Those conversations now are available on the Internet. All the Apollo 
spacecraft had onboard voice recorders, activated during much of each 
mission to record the crew's conversations. The transcripts of those 
recordings were publicly released in the mid-1970s. Only recently 
were the actual onboard audio recordings from Apollo 11 digitized and 
made available on the Web. 

To listen to the recordings and view the transcript, visit: 



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For more information about the history of onboard recorders on the 
Apollo spacecraft and full transcripts of all mission recordings, 
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For a detailed list of NASA events that celebrate the 40th anniversary 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite Fall - Update July 15, 2009

Amazing find Mike,

Congratulations on  such a great recovery!

Steve Arnold
of Meteorite Men


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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITEHUNTER OUT THERE?

Well Carl,

It's because the Russians are so modest and don't attach much importance in
public profiling.

Uh all the lunars they found, the Martians, hundreds of finds in Oman, some
of them where also in Libya before - and think to all the additional stuff
Tsarev, Polujamki, Markovka, Brahin, Kainsaz, Vengerovo, Sikhote, Chinga,
Dronino, Pallasovka, Seymchan + many more, even Muonionalusta, Morasko...

I bet, if one would unleash the Russians in Australia, it wouldn't take
longer than 2 years and we would have the first lunar strewnfield there.

If I were an Australian meteoricist, I would be so clever to give them a
contract - to pay them the trips (they work cheaper than any official
expedition) and half of the finds for them, half for the crown,
and soon the racks in the institutes would bow from the load of new
meteorites.

(But obviously that is undesired, as well as in Oman meanwhile.
In a strange, strange world we're living.)

May they live long like Nininger, then for sure they will get head of him
and may they live prosper, more prosper than they do now and more as it was
granted to Nininger.

BTW how many finds exactly Nininger has in his record?

Best!
Martin


PS:
Most meteorites on Earth found by the people of Sahara, more than in
Antarctica,
but the finders are all nameless and maybe there are some unknown Niningers
among them
Nowadays we have a prohibition in several countries there and the locals
shall not collect them anymore. The same sooner or later is expected for
Morocco.
Some scientists believe that they would be able to find all these meteorites
in future by their own. They think they can replace the knowledge and
experience and the willingness to suffer of the hundreds of local searchers
there. The records so far are known,
therefore I'd say, it's a case of featherbrained overestimation of their
capabilities (and quite a disrespect of the local people, who delivered them
all their stones before).

Nininger in his times was often treated in a depreciatory way from the
scientists' side - in as far the observations we can make today are not
completely new
(but at his times they were at least intelligent enough not to bar him from
hunting)
- so it will be for most of us a certain satisfaction to observe the
parallelism going on,
that in the next generation of meteoritics the names of the so successful
finders of our days will be cherished,
while the names of those, who will have ruined everything in having
accomplished the bans and protectionist laws,
will have been long forgotten in the footnotes of meteoritics.



  
 
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Man, I can name at least 10 people, maybe more, all in the US. Many can name
many more in the world but I don't know them. Tough to name just one.

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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Wait a minute! You found 4,000 Imilac individuals? Holy craps!!

Carl

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and I found 27 kilos of small Imilac's one time, with about 4,000  
individuals total. However, It counts as one...


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Hello,

Yeah, most were .5 to 5 gram pieces. A few larger ones.

Michael
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Wait a minute! You found 4,000 Imilac individuals? Holy craps!!

Carl

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and I found 27 kilos of small Imilac's one time, with about 4,000

individuals total. However, It counts as one...


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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread Erik Fisler




I can tell you why I think Sonny Clary and John Wolf are the most successfull 
hunters.
 
John Wolf knows his detector as if he was born with it.
He doesn't miss a meteorite in an area. He grids by eye and
detector until every inch is covered. He is also a nice guy 
who sells his finds for penny's on the dollar just to have enough
money to pay for gas and the next months beans to eat.
Also doesn't stick his nose in anyone's business.
 
Sonny Clary has many finds rare and common under his belt.
He has boxes of ordinary chondrites and many rare pieces
including the only achondrite to be found on this continent.
Sonny keeps to himself but would help anyone.  When I went
to vegas for thanksgiving he invited my father and I to his house
and gave me a lot of great advise and even showed us some good 
valleys to hunt in.  
 
These two guys are not only successful hunters but they help many
people to become successful hunters unlike some of the selfish jerks
who some might call successful.
 
It doesn't matter if you find something special if no one wants to hear
you open your smug ass mouth to talk about it.
 
[Erik]
 
 
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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:14:26 -0700
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 Hello,
 
 This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is the 
 best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?
 
 I am curious?
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Most Successful Meteorite Hunter

2009-07-15 Thread Brian Cox

In my humble opinion, I would assume that the Most Successful meteorite 
hunter would be the person who has hunted and found the most separate 
individual named or to be named meteorites. I think if a person found 5,000 
meteorites all from the same fall that those, unfortunately, that would only 
count as 1 named meteorite.
The most successful would be whomever has the largest number of different 
meteorites. I'm pretty sure that is what Michael is talking about and I know 
he has found many. I honestly don't know what the tally is between Michael, 
Farmer, Haag, Aziz, and The Labennes or Nininger. Someone out there who is 
really good with figures can do that, Elton? would you like to take this 
one? I know you are very good with details and calculations. Is this a 
contest and will the winner please give away specimens of the largest 
meteorite find they discovered?


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I appreciate your feedback. The question I proposed does raise a lot  
more questions as to what a successful and best hunter is.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Erik Fisler wrote:





I can tell you why I think Sonny Clary and John Wolf are the most  
successfull hunters.


John Wolf knows his detector as if he was born with it.
He doesn't miss a meteorite in an area. He grids by eye and
detector until every inch is covered. He is also a nice guy
who sells his finds for penny's on the dollar just to have enough
money to pay for gas and the next months beans to eat.
Also doesn't stick his nose in anyone's business.

Sonny Clary has many finds rare and common under his belt.
He has boxes of ordinary chondrites and many rare pieces
including the only achondrite to be found on this continent.
Sonny keeps to himself but would help anyone.  When I went
to vegas for thanksgiving he invited my father and I to his house
and gave me a lot of great advise and even showed us some good
valleys to hunt in.

These two guys are not only successful hunters but they help many
people to become successful hunters unlike some of the selfish jerks
who some might call successful.

It doesn't matter if you find something special if no one wants to  
hear

you open your smug ass mouth to talk about it.

[Erik]



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BEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Hello,

This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is the
best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?

I am curious?

Michael




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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTAND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

O.k., we are!

http://kuerzer.de/bestfinders


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MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

I appreciate your feedback. The question I proposed does raise a lot  
more questions as to what a successful and best hunter is.

Best Wishes

Michael
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Beautiful!


On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:


O.k., we are!

http://kuerzer.de/bestfinders


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BESTAND

MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

I appreciate your feedback. The question I proposed does raise a lot
more questions as to what a successful and best hunter is.

Best Wishes

Michael
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTAND MOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread Rob Matson

Hi Erik,

 Sonny Clary has many finds rare and common under his belt.
 He has boxes of ordinary chondrites and many rare pieces
 including the only achondrite to be found on this continent.

Sonny Clary is certainly high on the list of successful meteorite
hunters with a prolific number of unpaired finds. However, I
think you're forgetting quite a few North American achondrites:

Monument Draw, TX - acapulcoite
Superior Valley 014, CA - acapulcoite (found my list member Jason Utas)
Tierra Blanca, TX - winonaite
Winona, AZ - winonaite (of course)
Kenna, NM - ureilite
Roosevelt County 027, NM - ureilite (Skip Wilson find)
Lafayette, IN - nakhlite
Los Angeles, CA - shergottite (Bob Verish find)
Frankfort, AL - howardite
Melrose (b), NM - howardite
Monticello, KT - howardite
Washougal, WA - howardite
Winterhaven, CA - howardite (I didn't even know about this one!)

Plus a whole bunch of eucrites, five aubrites, and a couple diogenites.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread dave carothers


As you say, your question poses many more questions.

To start with, someone who leads expeditions to find new meteorites. 
Someone who extensively documents their finds and provides said information 
and samples to the scientific community for further research.  Someone, for 
example, like Dr Svend Buhl.


Dave

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Hello,

This is a simple question or is it?  How do you determine who is the  best 
and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?


I am curious?

Michael




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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro

2009-07-15 Thread GREG LINDH


 
Carl,
 
  No, actually Mike and Steve (and others) aren't just kidding around.  I 
think they're just kidding around when they're acting civil.
  I'll tell you what, from one newbie to another, this is one discouraging 
community.
 
  Greg
 
 



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 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:56:26 -0700
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro




 Welcome Count. I'm a newbie, too. You say you bought from Mike, Steve and the 
 others- then you should know they're just kidding around. They do this every 
 so often just to fool people looking in. One big happy family we are!:-D 
 Really!

 Carl

 Count Deiro wrote:

To all from a newbie,
 What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Most Successful Meteorite Hunter


Hello,

No worries...I do not think you offended anyone. Thanks for the  
compliment, but I do not consider myself one of the great meteorite  
hunters, in fact, I made the choice of family over meteorites long  
ago. I can not justify leaving my children for any great lengths of  
time.  If I had no children, well I think I would of moved to Morocco  
10 years ago!


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Brian Cox wrote:

Yes, Michael, you are right. I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I  
meant it in good spirits and the overall fact that I know the list  
likes competition.
I have always thought of you as being at the top, but I honestly  
don't know who has found the most and you are right about the  
equation.


Hope I didn't offend you in any way.

have a good one!

Brian
- Original Message - From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com 


To: Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most Successful Meteorite Hunter



Hello,

The question does raise a lot of questions, and I am not sure if   
quantity is the only deciding factor anymore. What makes a  
successful  meteorite hunter? I personally don't think of myself as  
a meteorite  hunter, unless I am actually in the field hunting  
meteorites.  I guess  you could have a question as to who  
personally has found the most  individual meteorites? Like how many  
count wise. I personally would  like to know who has found the most  
individuals ? However, this does  not make them the BEST or Most  
successful meteorite hunter in the  world.  The number of overall  
finds is just a part of the  equation...in my thinking at least.


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Brian Cox wrote:

In my humble opinion, I would assume that the Most Successful  
meteorite hunter would be the person who has hunted and found   
the most separate individual named or to be named meteorites. I   
think if a person found 5,000 meteorites all from the same fall  
that  those, unfortunately, that would only count as 1 named  
meteorite.
The most successful would be whomever has the largest number of  
different meteorites. I'm pretty sure that is what Michael is   
talking about and I know he has found many. I honestly don't know   
what the tally is between Michael, Farmer, Haag, Aziz, and The   
Labennes or Nininger. Someone out there who is really good with   
figures can do that, Elton? would you like to take this one? I  
know  you are very good with details and calculations. Is this a  
contest  and will the winner please give away specimens of the  
largest  meteorite find they discovered?


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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro


Hello,

It can be for sure... you have to forget the people sometime and look  
at your meteorites!


Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, GREG LINDH wrote:




   Carl,

 No, actually Mike and Steve (and others) aren't just kidding  
around.  I think they're just kidding around when they're acting  
civil.
 I'll tell you what, from one newbie to another, this is one  
discouraging community.


 Greg






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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:56:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro




Welcome Count. I'm a newbie, too. You say you bought from Mike,  
Steve and the others- then you should know they're just kidding  
around. They do this every so often just to fool people looking in.  
One big happy family we are!:-D Really!


Carl

Count Deiro wrote:


To all from a newbie,
What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage  
commentary...



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Farmer

We are human beings we argue and sometimes even fight and then we get  
over it. I used to attend coin shows, believe me no different between  
dealers.

Not that big a deal really.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone
Michael


On Jul 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote:




   Carl,

 No, actually Mike and Steve (and others) aren't just kidding  
around.  I think they're just kidding around when they're acting  
civil.
 I'll tell you what, from one newbie to another, this is one  
discouraging community.


 Greg






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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:56:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hello Count Deiro




Welcome Count. I'm a newbie, too. You say you bought from Mike,  
Steve and the others- then you should know they're just kidding  
around. They do this every so often just to fool people looking in.  
One big happy family we are!:-D Really!


Carl

Count Deiro wrote:


To all from a newbie,
What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage  
commentary...



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Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread GREG LINDH


 
Hi Mark,
 
  I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell 
you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare thing 
in the meteorite community.  I met him at the Tucson show a couple of years ago 
and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to afford the 
stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and 
encouraged me.  I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this 
community.
 
  Greg 
 
 
 



 From: mar...@westnet.com
 To: mikew...@gilanet.com
 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST 
 ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

 Trust me, you don't want to know!

 I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
 the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now so
 much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
 remediation and lead remediation.

 It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

 Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but I
 really don't know.

 In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

 Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name Bob
 Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
 But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby
 think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
 the merits.

 But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, I
 think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

 But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
 they are and in whatever field, just become known by their accomplishments,
 regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, they
 are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.

 In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!

 Mark

 - Original Message -
 From: michael cottingham 
 To: Mark Grossman 
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
 ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Hello,

 I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who
 the best mold investigator is though?!!

 Best Wishes

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 You have the advantage on me here.

 But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
 to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
 community, THE best is yet to be determined.

 Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
 my opinion, that is!)

 Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
 question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
 everyone acknowledges is THE best.

 Mark

 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham

 To: Mark Grossman 
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
 ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
 That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
 personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
 Nininger found very, very few...

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
 the first few minutes of your post.

 If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!

 Mark Grossman

 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham

 To: Mark Grossman 
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
 clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
 subject.

 Best Wishes

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

 Simple question.

 You don't have to determine who it is. Everyone in the particular
 community just knows.

 And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles. Just
 reputation built on accomplishment.

 Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
 investigation, etc.

 Everyone just knows.

 Mark Grossman


 - Original Message - From: michael cottingham

 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Hello,

 This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is
 the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?

 I am curious?

 Michael

Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

I think what you say goes for any community.  Certainly in the scientific 
ones.


Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan 
project.  A genius, and a charismatic figure.  But he had a real  caustic 
side also.  If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he 
would humiliate him or her in front of the other students.  But if he took a 
liking to you, it was completely different.  Here was a man who did not win 
a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners.  He was a man 
who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only 
prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.


In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the 
failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the 
newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.


No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types 
of communities.  You have all types of people.  Some are more vocal than 
others.  But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field 
of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they 
deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone.  The 
accomplishments speak louder than the words.


Mark Grossman


- Original Message - 
From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com

To: mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?





   Hi Mark,

 I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell 
you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare 
thing in the meteorite community.  I met him at the Tucson show a couple of 
years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to 
afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just 
talked and encouraged me.  I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see 
in this community.


 Greg







From: mar...@westnet.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST 
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Trust me, you don't want to know!

I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now 
so

much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
remediation and lead remediation.

It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but 
I

really don't know.

In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name 
Bob

Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby
think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
the merits.

But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, 
I

think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their 
accomplishments,
regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, 
they

are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.

In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!

Mark

- Original Message -
From: michael cottingham
To: Mark Grossman
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Hello,

I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who
the best mold investigator is though?!!

Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
community, THE best is yet to be determined.

Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
my opinion, that is!)

Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
everyone acknowledges is THE best.

Mark

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham



To: Mark Grossman
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
That is the confusion. He is Great, I

Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Hello,

Well said...

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham
On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:

I think what you say goes for any community.  Certainly in the  
scientific ones.


Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the  
Manhattan project.  A genius, and a charismatic figure.  But he had  
a real  caustic side also.  If he felt that a student was asking an  
elementary question, he would humiliate him or her in front of the  
other students.  But if he took a liking to you, it was completely  
different.  Here was a man who did not win a Nobel prize, yet he  
supervised several Nobel prize winners.  He was a man who was in  
charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only  
prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.


In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic  
side - the failure to treat all people who did not have his  
intelligence - the newcomers for lack of a better word - that was  
his downfall.


No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than  
other types of communities.  You have all types of people.  Some are  
more vocal than others.  But the true greats - and they are few and  
far between in any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as  
empathy for the people who they deal with - and they are not out to  
prove anything to anyone.  The accomplishments speak louder than the  
words.


Mark Grossman


- Original Message - From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com
To: mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?





  Hi Mark,

I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I  
can tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and  
that is a rare thing in the meteorite community.  I met him at the  
Tucson show a couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie  
and that I couldn't even begin to afford the stuff he was selling,  
but he took *a lot* of his time and just talked and encouraged me.   
I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see in this community.


Greg







From: mar...@westnet.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Trust me, you don't want to know!

I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so  
much over
the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety  
- now so

much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
remediation and lead remediation.

It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

Perhaps things will change with the new administration in  
Washington, but I

really don't know.

In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the  
name Bob
Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't  
know.
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to  
the hobby
think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to  
discuss

the merits.

But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of  
Chemistry, I

think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people,  
whoever
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their  
accomplishments,
regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and  
hype, they

are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.

In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!

Mark

- Original Message -
From: michael cottingham
To: Mark Grossman
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE  
BEST

ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Hello,

I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious  
about who

the best mold investigator is though?!!

Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you  
have

to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
community, THE best is yet to be determined.

Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other  
professionals (in

my opinion, that is!)

Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
everyone acknowledges is THE best.

Mark

- Original Message - From: michael cottingham



To: Mark Grossman
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS  
THE BEST

[meteorite-list] Fw: Question For The List ???? WHO IS THEBESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

OK Michael, in replying to the last message, it looks like I slipped up, and 
the truth has come out.


In actuality , it was Robert Oppenheimer who was the most famous mold 
investigator of them all.  :-)


Mark Grossman


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com

To: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS 
THEBESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



I think what you say goes for any community.  Certainly in the scientific 
ones.


Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan 
project.  A genius, and a charismatic figure.  But he had a real  caustic 
side also.  If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, 
he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students.  But if he 
took a liking to you, it was completely different.  Here was a man who did 
not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners.  He 
was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, 
but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of 
Physics.


In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - 
the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the 
newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.


No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other 
types of communities.  You have all types of people.  Some are more vocal 
than others.  But the true greats - and they are few and far between in 
any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people 
who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. 
The accomplishments speak louder than the words.


Mark Grossman


- Original Message - 
From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com

To: mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?





   Hi Mark,

 I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can 
tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a 
rare thing in the meteorite community.  I met him at the Tucson show a 
couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't 
even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his 
time and just talked and encouraged me.  I'll tell you what, that is a 
*rare* thing to see in this community.


 Greg







From: mar...@westnet.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST 
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


Trust me, you don't want to know!

I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now 
so

much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
remediation and lead remediation.

It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but 
I

really don't know.

In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name 
Bob

Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the 
hobby

think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
the merits.

But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry, 
I

think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their 
accomplishments,
regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype, 
they

are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.

In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!

Mark

- Original Message -
From: michael cottingham
To: Mark Grossman
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?



Hello,

I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about 
who

the best mold investigator is though?!!

Best Wishes

Michael
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:


You have the advantage on me here.

But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
community, THE best is yet to be determined.

Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
my

Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

2009-07-15 Thread GREG LINDH



Hi Mark,
 
  I understand the points you made in your post and for the most part I agree 
with them.  Your strongest point, and the one I agree with the most is the last 
sentence in your post.  It follows:
 
  But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of 
endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal with 
- and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments speak 
louder than the words.
 
  How right you are.  Too bad there are so few that have both smarts *and* 
empathy - and aren't out to prove anything to anyone.
 
 
  Greg Lindh
 
 


 From: mar...@westnet.com
 To: gee...@msn.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
 BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400

 I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific
 ones.

 Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan
 project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic
 side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he
 would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a
 liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win
 a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man
 who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only
 prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.

 In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the
 failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the
 newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.

 No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types
 of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than
 others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field
 of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they
 deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The
 accomplishments speak louder than the words.

 Mark Grossman


 - Original Message -
 From: GREG LINDH 
 To: 
 Cc: meteorite-list 
 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
 BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




 Hi Mark,

 I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell
 you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare
 thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of
 years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to
 afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just
 talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see
 in this community.

 Greg





 
 From: mar...@westnet.com
 To: mikew...@gilanet.com
 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
 ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

 Trust me, you don't want to know!

 I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
 the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now
 so
 much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
 remediation and lead remediation.

 It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

 Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but
 I
 really don't know.

 In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

 Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name
 Bob
 Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
 But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby
 think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
 the merits.

 But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry,
 I
 think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

 But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
 they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
 accomplishments,
 regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype,
 they
 are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.

 In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!

 Mark

 - Original Message -
 From: michael cottingham
 To: Mark Grossman
 Cc:
 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
 ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


 Hello,

 I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who
 the best mold investigator is though?!!

 Best Wishes

 Michael
 On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54

Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

Yes, it is very, very sad that in all fields of endeavors, these type of 
people are so rare indeed.


And I must say, that having pursued graduate school in chemistry, the 
scientists - just lilke the meteorite hunters, dealers and collectors as 
well -have the best and the worst, just like any other field of endeavor.


Mark Grossman

- Original Message - 
From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com

To: mar...@westnet.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?





   Hi Mark,

 I understand the points you made in your post and for the most part I 
agree with them.  Your strongest point, and the one I agree with the most is 
the last sentence in your post.  It follows:


 But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of 
endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal 
with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments 
speak louder than the words.


 How right you are.  Too bad there are so few that have both smarts *and* 
empathy - and aren't out to prove anything to anyone.



 Greg Lindh





From: mar...@westnet.com
To: gee...@msn.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE 
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400

I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific
ones.

Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan
project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic
side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he
would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took 
a

liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win
a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man
who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only
prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.

In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - 
the

failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the
newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.

No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other 
types

of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than
others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any 
field

of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they
deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The
accomplishments speak louder than the words.

Mark Grossman


- Original Message -
From: GREG LINDH
To:
Cc: meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




Hi Mark,

I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell
you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare
thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of
years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin 
to

afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just
talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to 
see

in this community.

Greg







From: mar...@westnet.com
To: mikew...@gilanet.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List  WHO IS THE BEST
ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

Trust me, you don't want to know!

I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now
so
much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
remediation and lead remediation.

It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.

Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but
I
really don't know.

In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.

Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name
Bob
Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the 
hobby

think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
the merits.

But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry,
I
think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.

But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
accomplishments,
regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just

Re: [meteorite-list] AD, New Meteorite Men Collectible on Ebay Closing on Thursday Night

2009-07-15 Thread John Gwilliam

Both these guys are grown men who don't mind saying what they 
think.  Their latest go round was pretty bland. You should have 
been here seven or eight years ago when Michael Casper was an active 
participant.  Truly an ego on steroids...and lithium.


Best,
John

At 06:05 PM 7/15/2009, countde...@earthlink.net wrote:

To all from a newbie,

What MikeG has published from the peanut gallery is pretty sage 
commentary. I'm one of the newbies who has been chasing sites on 
the web and crusing eBay buying nickel and dime specimens. Fact 
is, I have bought nickel and dime meteorites from Steve and Mike 
and MikeG and a half dozen other dealers on the List here, and in 
Europe and the Orient.  That's where newbies start... and you know 
what happens after they have filled their cabinets with the cheap 
compulsory examples and read the right books, accessed the data 
banks, subscribed to the pubs and read your on line stories and 
wowed over your finds? Eventually, they have the good fortune to 
tap into the List..as I did a few weeks ago. What an amazing 
resource! The science is right there for me to read and see..and 
free! Wonderful dissertations by respected and credentialed 
professionals..the very names in the books. ( Incidentally, Martin's 
letters are in a class of their own.) Why, for a while there I thought
 I was back at Indiana U. in a graduate program...Well, at least 
until I started reading the contentious posts about the Arizona and 
the Pennslyvania falls and the ongoing dust up over the pros and 
cons of hyping the marketing of space rocks, the personal digs, 
ill concealed expressions of envy, borderline slanders and finger 
pointing... then I knew I was back in school...kindergarten.


Count Deiro
-Original Message-
From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 15, 2009 12:47 PM
To: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, meteorh...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD,  New Meteorite Men 
Collectible on Ebay   Closing on Thursday Night


Hi Steve, Mike and List,

From the peanut gallery -

Ok guys, enough is enough.  This back and forth is making us all look
bad and making meteorites look bad by proxy.  Newbies are going to
come here and think that space rocks infect people with Andromeda
Strain madness.

Look, when I act up and say stupid things on the List, most people
ignore it.  Who am I anyway?

But you guys are the big names in the field - you guys are
representatives of the hobby.  You are in magazines and on TV.  I knew
who Steve Arnold and Mike Farmer were before I knew there were
different types of carbonaceous chondrites.  So when you guys come on
the List and start going back and forth with general nastiness, it
carries more weight and grabs more attention than it would if I was
saying it. (or some other Johnny Come Lately)  People are going to
think - so this how meteorite people behave, I think I'll go collect
pez dispensers now.

Professional meteorite hunters (the successful ones, like you guys)
live a life the rest of us armchair chasers dream of - you get to
work by chasing space rocks and finding them.  It beats the hell out
of getting up at 4:30am and running a forklift at a distribution
center or digging ditches for a living.  (although, one could argue
that finding meteorites does involve some ditch digging) - you guys
are part of a very small brotherhood that gets to make a living from a
PASSION.  How cool is that?  To wake up in the morning and ENJOY the
idea of going to work.

Steve is riding high on his Meteorite Men success right now - let him
have it.  Damn, if the tables were turned, I'd like to think that any
of us wouldn't get our hides skinned because we revelled in our
success of finding meteorites.   And I understand what Mike is saying
about too much hype - it what the radio does to new music - they run
it into the ground until you are sick of hearing it.  But there is no
reason to carry out a public slapfight over this.  Take it to private
email.  Mike, I'm sure you have Steve's phone number - call him up and
bitch him out over the phone so we don't have to hear it.  All you are
doing is alienating customers/newbies - which I'm sure you don't care
about because they are nickel and dime customers anyway.   Actually,
if I was profit-minded, I'd be loving this - because for every newbie
you guys turn off, they come running to people like me - and I am more
than happy to sell them all of the nickel and dime meteorites they
want.

I promised myself and the List, I'd keep my mouth shut and think
before hitting send - which I have done for a week now while this
continues on and on.  So here you have it.

Best regards and let's knock it off,

MikeG


On 7/15/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me get this strait, so you put it in a box, and make a label saying it
 is from you, and all you do is put a number on it, say #4 of 45.
 Damn, can't believe I didn't think of

[meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite FAll 1909?

2009-07-15 Thread drtanuki


List,
  Just posted:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/07/canada-meteorite-news-1909-meteorite.html

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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