Re: [meteorite-list] Safely removing caliche?
Thanks all who responded. Looks like plain old white vinegar is the thing to try. I think I'll hold off on the heating for now, but thanks Steve for what to do next if the basic suggestion doesn't work. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Inexpensive beginner's microscope?
I picked up a few thin sections in one of the rooms here in Tucson yesterday. These are my first. I am considering a few of my options, but I was wondering if anyone could suggest a budget-priced beginner's microscope. To complicate things a bit, I want to be able to view the sample while I have my camera attached, so a parfocal trinocular is a must. I have a good idea of what I need, but I'm still in the research phase. With one week of the Tucson shows done, another one still ahead and the Meteorite Auction later today, it will take a while for my wallet to recuperate, so I'm not ready to buy just yet. Links off-list are appreciated. Thanks. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms (rifles, shotguns and pistols)
Hello Tucson attendees, Has anybody seen any Cat Mountain for sale? Or any other unusual Arizona meteorites (Bagdad, Fish Canyon, etc.)?? I haven't been getting around as much as I hoped... I hope you're all enjoying the show (or enjoying the coverage for those who cannot visit this year). Thanks for the great photos Arizona Keith! Best wishes, Mark Bowling(balls from space) Vail, AZ o==~ (terrible l33t fireball?) - Original Message From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com To: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com; Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:21:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. I agree with Eric and respectully disagree with Martin. Rank, honors, degrees, accomplishments, etc. do not make it more appropriate for one person to post off topic than another person who has not achieved the same academic or other accomplishments. After all of the discussion, I would think it would be best for eminent scientists as well as unknown collectors to refrain from posting further on the topic, especially since all of the debate looked like it had finally gone by the wayside. I think it best it stay that way. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Hello all, If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the topic. thank you, Martin On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: I'm sure all of us are very sorry to here of such a tragedy, and our hearts go out to those families touched by such a devastating event, but I'm reasonably sure people do not wish to hear more of the gun issue on the meteorite list. Regards, Eric On 2/5/2010 5:36 PM, Carleton Moore wrote: A coincidence that when the first pistol picture was posted a gunman named Redondo shot a Gilbert Arizona policeman in the head and killed him as well as shooting at other police chasing and catching him and his partner. Remember Arizona is a gun happy state. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Inexpensive beginner's microscope?
Mikon at the Executive Inn has some specimen scopes (I don't think they're for slides, but they may have both types). I'm not sure of the quality, but it could be a good deal for the price. Is anyone familiar with their scopes? I believe they're Russian microscopes. Good luck! - Original Message From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:59:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Inexpensive beginner's microscope? I picked up a few thin sections in one of the rooms here in Tucson yesterday. These are my first. I am considering a few of my options, but I was wondering if anyone could suggest a budget-priced beginner's microscope. To complicate things a bit, I want to be able to view the sample while I have my camera attached, so a parfocal trinocular is a must. I have a good idea of what I need, but I'm still in the research phase. With one week of the Tucson shows done, another one still ahead and the Meteorite Auction later today, it will take a while for my wallet to recuperate, so I'm not ready to buy just yet. Links off-list are appreciated. Thanks. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA
Hi Eric, I'll bet that is paired to a stone I had classified years ago (NWA 2732). I think it was an L5 from memory butI believe there have been several numbers this meteorite has been classified under now. They are generally L5, IMB, etc. It's also sold under the name El Arouss. Heaps of it around but a nice meteorite. Here's a pic of a high polished 5g slice of NWA 2732. http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/NWA 2732.jpg Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Those of you on Facebook: This is a very odd stone UNWA I sliced a few hours ago. Full of iron, vesicles, very highly magnetic, odd metal, white clasts and inclusions, and no visible chondrules to speak of. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profileid=1219094173 Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA
Hi all, Sorry the link broke. This one should work too: http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/NWA2732.jpg Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Hi Eric, I'll bet that is paired to a stone I had classified years ago (NWA 2732). I think it was an L5 from memory butI believe there have been several numbers this meteorite has been classified under now. They are generally L5, IMB, etc. It's also sold under the name El Arouss. Heaps of it around but a nice meteorite. Here's a pic of a high polished 5g slice of NWA 2732. http://www.meteorites.com.au/collection/NWA 2732.jpg Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Those of you on Facebook: This is a very odd stone UNWA I sliced a few hours ago. Full of iron, vesicles, very highly magnetic, odd metal, white clasts and inclusions, and no visible chondrules to speak of. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profileid=1219094173 Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
Martin and all, My thoughts exactly. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Hello all, If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the topic. thank you, Martin On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: I'm sure all of us are very sorry to here of such a tragedy, and our hearts go out to those families touched by such a devastating event, but I'm reasonably sure people do not wish to hear more of the gun issue on the meteorite list. Regards, Eric On 2/5/2010 5:36 PM, Carleton Moore wrote: A coincidence that when the first pistol picture was posted a gunman named Redondo shot a Gilbert Arizona policeman in the head and killed him as well as shooting at other police chasing and catching him and his partner. Remember Arizona is a gun happy state. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
Hi Martin and all, I agree Martin. People can use there delete keys. One side wants to complain but then doesn't want to listen after opening up a can of worms. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Dark Matter Hello all, If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the topic. thank you, Martin On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: I'm sure all of us are very sorry to here of such a tragedy, and our hearts go out to those families touched by such a devastating event, but I'm reasonably sure people do not wish to hear more of the gun issue on the meteorite list. Regards, Eric On 2/5/2010 5:36 PM, Carleton Moore wrote: A coincidence that when the first pistol picture was posted a gunman named Redondo shot a Gilbert Arizona policeman in the head and killed him as well as shooting at other police chasing and catching him and his partner. Remember Arizona is a gun happy state. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
Right now its not a question of who wants to listen to what, or who opened what, but how just how long both sides want to listen to this continuing, apparently never ending debate. I assume Martin and Al believe this topic has not been discussed sufficiently based on their posts. Martin and Al - can you please confirm to the list that my assumption is correct, and after all of the debate, you still actively welcome postings on this topic - from emininent scientists as well as unknown collectors - and that you don't want to see this can of worms closed. If I am mistaken, and you would like to see the can of worms closed, then please let the list know. And if you think using the delete key is always the answer for whoever posts what, in my opinion you are missing the forest for the trees. At some point you simply drive away people, and you end up the same group, not wanting or welcoming new people, the status quo. And at the end of the day - perhaps that's just what most of the people who post to the list want - exercise using the delete key over expanding and promoting the image of the meteorite list around the world. Your choice. Thanks. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Hi Martin and all, I agree Martin. People can use there delete keys. One side wants to complain but then doesn't want to listen after opening up a can of worms. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Dark Matter Hello all, If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the topic. thank you, Martin On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: I'm sure all of us are very sorry to here of such a tragedy, and our hearts go out to those families touched by such a devastating event, but I'm reasonably sure people do not wish to hear more of the gun issue on the meteorite list. Regards, Eric On 2/5/2010 5:36 PM, Carleton Moore wrote: A coincidence that when the first pistol picture was posted a gunman named Redondo shot a Gilbert Arizona policeman in the head and killed him as well as shooting at other police chasing and catching him and his partner. Remember Arizona is a gun happy state. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Ureilite NWA 6069
Dear List Members I have for sale/trade a big museum size Ureilite NWA 6069 (prov.) 1828 grams. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Ureilite1877Grams# Specimen have little oriented shape. Texture is typical for monomict ureilite :coarse grained olivine#8217;s, vein like area filled by graphite/diamonds, triple junctions. Low shock stage. Size of specimen is : 145x120x85mm, specimen looks much better in hand. If You have a question please write to : illae...@gmail.com Kind Regards Tomasz Jakubowski IMCA #2321 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WWND?
What would Nininger Do? I apologize if I offended anyone about appreciating Dr. Moore's message to the list. Often we forget just who is lurking here from around the globe. When I saw a message from Carleton Moore, I cross-checked the email address just in case, the read Eric's reply just a half-hour later. Being some professor in a office somewhere that you have never met, I do carry a particular respect for those shoulders upon whose we stand. With the recent loss of Brian Mason on December 3rd, I guess I was just feeling old and wishing there was more respect for those scientists who didn't just change the field of meteoritics forever, but actually first discovered the the wonderful facts that so interest us in these special stones, and make us return day after day to this Meteorite List. Brian Mason's obituary in the Washington Post concluded with a quote from me that expressed a similar experience eight year ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120804129.html Having being mentored by the likes of David New, Chuck Lewis Tim McCoy and others, I do worry about how many collectors believe the mere ownership of meteorites is enough education about the science behind meteorites. All I wanted to convey in my reply to Eric and the List is that at any moment, as we all experienced by the loss of Christian Anger, we can loose the great personalities in our midst, and that sometimes we need to savor the messenger and not stumble about whether or not the content of the message is personally appropriate. Thank you for your consideration. -Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WWND?
Hi Martin, Thank you for expressing your thoughts so eloquently and bringing much perspective to the table on this issue. But it's a delicate balance. Because you can also lose persons who can contribute to the list by driving them away by all of the off topic posts, no matter who posts them. And when all of the wise elders become inactive for one reason or anohter - sometimes tragic reasons - who remains to carry their torch if you drive new people away? we can loose the great personalities in our midst, and that sometimes we need to savor the messenger and not stumble about whether or not the content of the message is personally appropriate. Mark - Original Message - From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] WWND? What would Nininger Do? I apologize if I offended anyone about appreciating Dr. Moore's message to the list. Often we forget just who is lurking here from around the globe. When I saw a message from Carleton Moore, I cross-checked the email address just in case, the read Eric's reply just a half-hour later. Being some professor in a office somewhere that you have never met, I do carry a particular respect for those shoulders upon whose we stand. With the recent loss of Brian Mason on December 3rd, I guess I was just feeling old and wishing there was more respect for those scientists who didn't just change the field of meteoritics forever, but actually first discovered the the wonderful facts that so interest us in these special stones, and make us return day after day to this Meteorite List. Brian Mason's obituary in the Washington Post concluded with a quote from me that expressed a similar experience eight year ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120804129.html Having being mentored by the likes of David New, Chuck Lewis Tim McCoy and others, I do worry about how many collectors believe the mere ownership of meteorites is enough education about the science behind meteorites. All I wanted to convey in my reply to Eric and the List is that at any moment, as we all experienced by the loss of Christian Anger, we can loose the great personalities in our midst, and that sometimes we need to savor the messenger and not stumble about whether or not the content of the message is personally appropriate. Thank you for your consideration. -Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2
Hi List, Here are 3 pics of a genuine blue chondrule spotted upon breaking a fagment of the CM2 meteorite Tanezrouft 082 (purchased last June in Ensisheim, from A. Gouesslain/J.-L. Parodi, the meteorite finders). See here: http://www.agab.be/question/question.html Question: what could be the origin of such a strange turquois-like blue color ? Could it be due to some traces of Cu2+ salts neutralizing some refractory silicates ? (despite tha fact that the presence of Cu was apparently not reported in the meteorite analysis, see the Met. Bull. writeup added in the URL). Or could that just be (sometimes) the natural color of some (ortho)pyroxenes ? Or olivine ? However, I don't remember having ever seen any olivine showing such a true blue color. Shouldn't olivine (always?) rather be olive-green, whatever its origin (terrestrial or asteroidal) ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts or expertise. My best, Zelimir __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2
Hibonite - Ca(Al,Ti,Mg)12O19 - in a CAI. It can be gorgeous. Jeff On 2010-02-06 12:06 PM, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hi List, Here are 3 pics of a genuine blue chondrule spotted upon breaking a fagment of the CM2 meteorite Tanezrouft 082 (purchased last June in Ensisheim, from A. Gouesslain/J.-L. Parodi, the meteorite finders). See here: http://www.agab.be/question/question.html Question: what could be the origin of such a strange turquois-like blue color ? Could it be due to some traces of Cu2+ salts neutralizing some refractory silicates ? (despite tha fact that the presence of Cu was apparently not reported in the meteorite analysis, see the Met. Bull. writeup added in the URL). Or could that just be (sometimes) the natural color of some (ortho)pyroxenes ? Or olivine ? However, I don't remember having ever seen any olivine showing such a true blue color. Shouldn't olivine (always?) rather be olive-green, whatever its origin (terrestrial or asteroidal) ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts or expertise. My best, Zelimir __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WWND?
Martin said: What would Nininger do? Thank you, Martin, for sharing Dr. Brian Mason's obituary and your comments that mention many of those that, to paraphrase another great man's observation which certainly applies to these men...never have so many owed so much to so few. On a personal note, I must mention how fortunate I was to be of advanced years when I made the study and collection of meteorites my avocation. I knew out of the box so to speak ..and being unencumbered by the lack of respect found in youth...that I owed every thing I could see or hear about my new found cosmic friends to the science and authorship of those luminaries you mentioned, plus countless other academic, authors, hunters, collectors and dealers. My wife and I are enjoying our first Tucson Show and have been overwhelmed by the amount of material on display and the genuine warmth of our reception. It's great to find that everyone we have put a face to here is as slightly off the track as I am. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 6, 2010 11:40 AM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] WWND? What would Nininger Do? I apologize if I offended anyone about appreciating Dr. Moore's message to the list. Often we forget just who is lurking here from around the globe. When I saw a message from Carleton Moore, I cross-checked the email address just in case, the read Eric's reply just a half-hour later. Being some professor in a office somewhere that you have never met, I do carry a particular respect for those shoulders upon whose we stand. With the recent loss of Brian Mason on December 3rd, I guess I was just feeling old and wishing there was more respect for those scientists who didn't just change the field of meteoritics forever, but actually first discovered the the wonderful facts that so interest us in these special stones, and make us return day after day to this Meteorite List. Brian Mason's obituary in the Washington Post concluded with a quote from me that expressed a similar experience eight year ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120804129.html Having being mentored by the likes of David New, Chuck Lewis Tim McCoy and others, I do worry about how many collectors believe the mere ownership of meteorites is enough education about the science behind meteorites. All I wanted to convey in my reply to Eric and the List is that at any moment, as we all experienced by the loss of Christian Anger, we can loose the great personalities in our midst, and that sometimes we need to savor the messenger and not stumble about whether or not the content of the message is personally appropriate. Thank you for your consideration. -Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 6, 2010
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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auction ending in 1 day: Ivuna, Nakhla, Zagami, Breitscheid, Orgueil, Siena, ...
Hello All, I have 12 very rare meteorites ending in about one day: http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg= Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] tuson day 3
Good morning list.Another great day here in tucson.70 degrees and just great to meet more people.Well meteorite wise for me it was not a big day,but what I got,to me was the big kahuna of my meteorite buying.More to come in a minute.Some more people came into town.Graham ensor from england arrived,as well as matt morgan.More and more deals were made it seemed like everytime I looked into a room.I finally finished my meteorite rooms.We went over to visit eduardo in his room.He has the covert,ks main mass.He is also selling gibeon for $500 a kilo.He has some great end pieces.Then we went over to the howard johnson's and met up with the giroli bros. from uruguay.They excel in very large campo's.I also saw ali hmani and his pieces.He has a killer 5.5 kilo allende. As well as for my items I got yesterday.I got 3 more small sikhote-alin's with holes.Man not much left of those.They are almost gone.Then in the early afternoon,I went over and made a trade with bruno fectay.I aquired a 586 gram sikhote-alin (old stock).It's at least 20 years old and has incredible flowing MELT lines.I have never seen such lines.It also has some lipping on the bottom and some small flow lines.But to me it is the redish brown patina and crust that is on it.Mike farmer and jim strope have been coveting this piece all day.Sorry it is coming home with me.After that we all went to the sky bar for the birthday bash.It was a real good time.I was invlolved in a little skit with the meteoritemen.It was really funny.All the big wigs of the meteorite relm were there.I just want to thank bob haag for a real nice time this weekend and all that great esquel I got.So far I have gotten great pictures for my website to show all.Well that it for now.More meteorite buying maybe.I still have my eyes set on that 22 gram slice PBS.we'll see.Well on with the day and more 70 degree temps. Have a great day and its on to the blood auction tonight. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2
Hello Jeff, Matthias, Ted, all, Your wise suggestions about the blue inclusion are highly appreciated. I also first thought of hibonite that was mentioned in a similar discussion we had on the list a couple of years ago. At the time, Jeff Kuyken showed us a chondrule-like inclusion in Isheyevo and hibonite was one of the hypotheses retained . I don't really remember the detailed discussion that resulted but this info is now probably hidden somewhere in the archives . By luck, this debate (with hibonite hypothesis) as well as the inclusion pics are still available on Jeff's site (Jeff K, I hope you don't mind if I provide the link): http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/isheyevo.html The blue color in Isheyevo (as it is in Allende shown by Ted), is more intense than the light blue shade of our TNZ chondrule so I did not retain at first that hypotheis. (also because all the terrestrial hibonites I have seen are dark brown but more often just black; the best crystals so far come from Madagascar and I have in my mineral collection a 6x4x3 cm single cristal, just full black- from the famous Betroka deposit). I now realize the hibonite hypothesis is very likely. But enstatite is another possibility indeed. I have a terrestrial enstatite sample that is blue-green. The synthetic enstatites we once had synthesized in the lab are logically white. Two last questions (sorry for insisting): 1) Should we consider this just as a curiosity or does someone believe this could have some pertinent significance in the case of a CM2 chondrite ? 2) How can we make sure the round light blue circle shown here is a chondrule or a CAI ? Jeff firmly states that the TNZ hibonite is embedded in a CAI and Ted shows the same in Allende. Would that imply the TNZ circle is also a CAI rather than a chondrule, despite of its quasi perferctly round shape ? My best wishes, Zelimir Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net a écrit : Dear Zelimir- Jeff beat me on the response. Attached is a true hibonite in an Allende CAI. Your blue object could be a lighter blue hibonite or an enstatite chondrule that, on occasion, has a blue hue depending on the light source, angle of illumination, light scattering, etc. Ted On 2/6/10 10:06 AM, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hi List, Here are 3 pics of a genuine blue chondrule spotted upon breaking a fagment of the CM2 meteorite Tanezrouft 082 (purchased last June in Ensisheim, from A. Gouesslain/J.-L. Parodi, the meteorite finders). See here: http://www.agab.be/question/question.html Question: what could be the origin of such a strange turquois-like blue color ? Could it be due to some traces of Cu2+ salts neutralizing some refractory silicates ? (despite tha fact that the presence of Cu was apparently not reported in the meteorite analysis, see the Met. Bull. writeup added in the URL). Or could that just be (sometimes) the natural color of some (ortho)pyroxenes ? Or olivine ? However, I don't remember having ever seen any olivine showing such a true blue color. Shouldn't olivine (always?) rather be olive-green, whatever its origin (terrestrial or asteroidal) ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts or expertise. My best, Zelimir __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2
CAIs can be quite round. The famous Blue Angel CAI was a fairly round, mm-size object in another CM chondrite, Murchison (this publication was in 1982-ish in GCA). Not all hibonite in meteoritic CAIs is the same color. The blue comes from Ti3+, formed under reducing conditions. The blue ones are very well-known in CM chondrites, but hibonite goes all the way from blue to white depending on the conditions of formation and maybe bulk composition. To tell if it's really a CAI, you'd probably have to analyze some grains or make a polished section. If this is a hibonite-bearing CAI, is it important? There is current research on hibonite in CMs, e.g. http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0016703709003251. I would contact somebody like Andy Davis at U. Chicago, a coauthor on this paper, and get his opinion if you're thinking of donating this to science. Jeff On 2010-02-06 5:20 PM, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hello Jeff, Matthias, Ted, all, Your wise suggestions about the blue inclusion are highly appreciated. I also first thought of hibonite that was mentioned in a similar discussion we had on the list a couple of years ago. At the time, Jeff Kuyken showed us a chondrule-like inclusion in Isheyevo and hibonite was one of the hypotheses retained . I don't really remember the detailed discussion that resulted but this info is now probably hidden somewhere in the archives . By luck, this debate (with hibonite hypothesis) as well as the inclusion pics are still available on Jeff's site (Jeff K, I hope you don't mind if I provide the link): http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/isheyevo.html The blue color in Isheyevo (as it is in Allende shown by Ted), is more intense than the light blue shade of our TNZ chondrule so I did not retain at first that hypotheis. (also because all the terrestrial hibonites I have seen are dark brown but more often just black; the best crystals so far come from Madagascar and I have in my mineral collection a 6x4x3 cm single cristal, just full black- from the famous Betroka deposit). I now realize the hibonite hypothesis is very likely. But enstatite is another possibility indeed. I have a terrestrial enstatite sample that is blue-green. The synthetic enstatites we once had synthesized in the lab are logically white. Two last questions (sorry for insisting): 1) Should we consider this just as a curiosity or does someone believe this could have some pertinent significance in the case of a CM2 chondrite ? 2) How can we make sure the round light blue circle shown here is a chondrule or a CAI ? Jeff firmly states that the TNZ hibonite is embedded in a CAI and Ted shows the same in Allende. Would that imply the TNZ circle is also a CAI rather than a chondrule, despite of its quasi perferctly round shape ? My best wishes, Zelimir Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net a écrit : Dear Zelimir- Jeff beat me on the response. Attached is a true hibonite in an Allende CAI. Your blue object could be a lighter blue hibonite or an enstatite chondrule that, on occasion, has a blue hue depending on the light source, angle of illumination, light scattering, etc. Ted On 2/6/10 10:06 AM, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hi List, Here are 3 pics of a genuine blue chondrule spotted upon breaking a fagment of the CM2 meteorite Tanezrouft 082 (purchased last June in Ensisheim, from A. Gouesslain/J.-L. Parodi, the meteorite finders). See here: http://www.agab.be/question/question.html Question: what could be the origin of such a strange turquois-like blue color ? Could it be due to some traces of Cu2+ salts neutralizing some refractory silicates ? (despite tha fact that the presence of Cu was apparently not reported in the meteorite analysis, see the Met. Bull. writeup added in the URL). Or could that just be (sometimes) the natural color of some (ortho)pyroxenes ? Or olivine ? However, I don't remember having ever seen any olivine showing such a true blue color. Shouldn't olivine (always?) rather be olive-green, whatever its origin (terrestrial or asteroidal) ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts or expertise. My best, Zelimir __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2
Hi Zelimir all, It was quite a few years ago now but at the time I think there were a few scientists who took a look at my pics and they all had a similar and independent opinion of Hibonite. I would tend to go with the Hibonite theory too. These have all been found in meteorites with CAI's but I am yet to see anything remotely similar in an ordinary chondrite. Mine is slightly different to yours in the respect that it has been sliced right through the middle. I have slightly polished that endcut to remove previous heavier polishing marks and there was no change in appearance of my inclusion. It seems to be a solid blue CAI or chondrule. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] blue chondrule in a CM2 Hello Jeff, Matthias, Ted, all, Your wise suggestions about the blue inclusion are highly appreciated. I also first thought of hibonite that was mentioned in a similar discussion we had on the list a couple of years ago. At the time, Jeff Kuyken showed us a chondrule-like inclusion in Isheyevo and hibonite was one of the hypotheses retained . I don't really remember the detailed discussion that resulted but this info is now probably hidden somewhere in the archives . By luck, this debate (with hibonite hypothesis) as well as the inclusion pics are still available on Jeff's site (Jeff K, I hope you don't mind if I provide the link): http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/isheyevo.html The blue color in Isheyevo (as it is in Allende shown by Ted), is more intense than the light blue shade of our TNZ chondrule so I did not retain at first that hypotheis. (also because all the terrestrial hibonites I have seen are dark brown but more often just black; the best crystals so far come from Madagascar and I have in my mineral collection a 6x4x3 cm single cristal, just full black- from the famous Betroka deposit). I now realize the hibonite hypothesis is very likely. But enstatite is another possibility indeed. I have a terrestrial enstatite sample that is blue-green. The synthetic enstatites we once had synthesized in the lab are logically white. Two last questions (sorry for insisting): 1) Should we consider this just as a curiosity or does someone believe this could have some pertinent significance in the case of a CM2 chondrite ? 2) How can we make sure the round light blue circle shown here is a chondrule or a CAI ? Jeff firmly states that the TNZ hibonite is embedded in a CAI and Ted shows the same in Allende. Would that imply the TNZ circle is also a CAI rather than a chondrule, despite of its quasi perferctly round shape ? My best wishes, Zelimir Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net a écrit : Dear Zelimir- Jeff beat me on the response. Attached is a true hibonite in an Allende CAI. Your blue object could be a lighter blue hibonite or an enstatite chondrule that, on occasion, has a blue hue depending on the light source, angle of illumination, light scattering, etc. Ted On 2/6/10 10:06 AM, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hi List, Here are 3 pics of a genuine blue chondrule spotted upon breaking a fagment of the CM2 meteorite Tanezrouft 082 (purchased last June in Ensisheim, from A. Gouesslain/J.-L. Parodi, the meteorite finders). See here: http://www.agab.be/question/question.html Question: what could be the origin of such a strange turquois-like blue color ? Could it be due to some traces of Cu2+ salts neutralizing some refractory silicates ? (despite tha fact that the presence of Cu was apparently not reported in the meteorite analysis, see the Met. Bull. writeup added in the URL). Or could that just be (sometimes) the natural color of some (ortho)pyroxenes ? Or olivine ? However, I don't remember having ever seen any olivine showing such a true blue color. Shouldn't olivine (always?) rather be olive-green, whatever its origin (terrestrial or asteroidal) ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts or expertise. My best, Zelimir __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
I am an uninformed reader but, where can I find these Meteorite Laws? I usually only carry a copy of the Federal Regulations Title 43 Part 8360, that allows me to remove mineral specimens from public lands, should I run into an agent who is not familiar with the law. But, I am not familiar with Meteorite Laws. I know that Michelle Knapps had no trouble claiming and selling the Peekskill meteorite. Just need to know where to find these said new laws.. Thanks! Miss seeing everyone in Tucson. Had to have a Knee tune up after tromping around Egypt. Dennis From: prairiecac...@rtcol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:39:46 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters: I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If a meteorite falls on your property, you own it. An open and shut case. If the Smithsonian wants to appeal to the Supreme Court, the Court could possibly rule that current meteorite laws are unconstitutional. It's extremely unlikely they would hear the case. It's highly unlikely even a Circuit judge would strike down current meteorite laws as unconstitutional. Or any judge for that matter. The Smithsonian has the lawyers and the funding of the federal gov't backing them, they could try to argue the laws are unconstitutional, highly unlikely as there is practically no chance they would win. What they could do is go straight to the President and get either a presidential decree or have the Justice Dep't write some memos like they did legalizing torture. Again not a chance. More likely they could get a Congressman to introduce a bill changing the meteorite laws, but it would never make it out of the first round of sub-committes. Possession might be nine tenths of the law, but I'll be dollars to donuts the Smithsonian gives it back. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Dennis/List Click on the link below and this might help with laws on ownership of meteorites. Shawn Alan http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=2002M%26PSB..375Sdb_key=ASTpage_ind=0plate_select=NOdata_type=GIFtype=SCREEN_GIFclassic=YES [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Dennis Miller astroroks at hotmail.com Sat Feb 6 19:53:51 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Next message: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I am an uninformed reader but, where can I find these Meteorite Laws? I usually only carry a copy of the Federal Regulations Title 43 Part 8360, that allows me to remove mineral specimens from public lands, should I run into an agent who is not familiar with the law. But, I am not familiar with Meteorite Laws. I know that Michelle Knapps had no trouble claiming and selling the Peekskill meteorite. Just need to know where to find these said new laws.. Thanks! Miss seeing everyone in Tucson. Had to have a Knee tune up after tromping around Egypt. Dennis From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:39:46 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters: I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If a meteorite falls on your property, you own it. An open and shut case. If the Smithsonian wants to appeal to the Supreme Court, the Court could possibly rule that current meteorite laws are unconstitutional. It's extremely unlikely they would hear the case. It's highly unlikely even a Circuit judge would strike down current meteorite laws as unconstitutional. Or any judge for that matter. The Smithsonian has the lawyers and the funding of the federal gov't backing them, they could try to argue the laws are unconstitutional, highly unlikely as there is practically no chance they would win. What they could do is go straight to the President and get either a presidential decree or have the Justice Dep't write some memos like they did legalizing torture. Again not a chance. More likely they could get a Congressman to introduce a bill changing the meteorite laws, but it would never make it out of the first round of sub-committes. Possession might be nine tenths of the law, but I'll be dollars to donuts the Smithsonian gives it back. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ Previous message: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Next message: [meteorite-list] Odd UNWA Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson show on facebook
Dear list members, i have seen many great pics of the Tucson show on facebook than i did on here, I'm very thankful to John Hamphries and Gary Fujuhara who took us to Tucson and showed us some moments they have lived, like Mike farmare's material, michael blood auction, the material that is going arround there, persons I have dealt with and never seen their faces, i have seen a pic of my bro Said haddany, awsome, i have to say you have great times and enjoy! let's share it someday! Facebook did better than met list! I'm getting new material, slices, individuals, wholesale, whatever you want! just get ready! Rock on! Aziz saffron guy (my new name) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
When you acquire clear title to a piece of property, you also get landowners rights. These rights are written into the state constitutions or the bill of rights. You own everything above, below and on your land. Once a meteorite enters your air space, you own it. Anyone who tries to take it can be charged with theft, here in Indiana, felony theft. If I was the landowner in the Lorton case, I would file felony theft charges against whoever stole my property. Since there are no specific laws pertaining to meteorites, the courts would decide the cases by legal precedent. This was all worked out by the time of the Hodges meteorite case in 1954. If you think the landowners rights are unconstitutional, and you want to defy precedent, lots of luck to you and your lawyers, as you sue for ownership of someone else's property. There's no way these rules are changing anytime soon, especially not for meteorites. Phil Whitmer I am an uninformed reader but, where can I find these Meteorite Laws? I usually only carry a copy of the Federal Regulations Title 43 Part 8360, that allows me to remove mineral specimens from public lands, should I run into an agent who is not familiar with the law. But, I am not familiar with Meteorite Laws. I know that Michelle Knapps had no trouble claiming and selling the Peekskill meteorite. Just need to know where to find these said new laws.. Thanks! Miss seeing everyone in Tucson. Had to have a Knee tune up after tromping around Egypt. Dennis __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction 2010
Lister, I am wondering how the Tucson Meteorite Auction 2010 is going and if anyone knows what the selling prices are going for the auctioned meteoirtes? http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
Mark, I'd just rather not comment on this but since you have attempted to put Martin and me in the bad guy spot, and words into my mouth I'll comment. I am commenting for myself and not Martin. First you have made 4 or 5 posts on this subject, mainly trying to end the debate. I have only made two (one by mistake) comments until this post, supporting a post by another member. While I respect some of what you are saying about letting the topic die, and I believe this had no place on this list (there are plenty of other forums for this) there is nothing wrong with addressing what another member commented needlessly and out of place on. If this member had simply kept it to himself, then the issue would not still be blazing away. You seem to have attempted to put yourself into some sort of authoritative figure here and put words into my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I don't appreciate the condescending way you went about it. You again have posted on the subject rather than let it die. So you are equally guilty of keeping this thread alive. Again if you don't like reading something then delete it. You have also put yourself in the roll of list moderator which you are not. While I appreciate that you don't care for the thread I'd appreciate it if you don't drag me into to all this which you did. Now maybe we can get back to meteorites and all this can die. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Right now its not a question of who wants to listen to what, or who opened what, but how just how long both sides want to listen to this continuing, apparently never ending debate. I assume Martin and Al believe this topic has not been discussed sufficiently based on their posts. Martin and Al - can you please confirm to the list that my assumption is correct, and after all of the debate, you still actively welcome postings on this topic - from emininent scientists as well as unknown collectors - and that you don't want to see this can of worms closed. If I am mistaken, and you would like to see the can of worms closed, then please let the list know. And if you think using the delete key is always the answer for whoever posts what, in my opinion you are missing the forest for the trees. At some point you simply drive away people, and you end up the same group, not wanting or welcoming new people, the status quo. And at the end of the day - perhaps that's just what most of the people who post to the list want - exercise using the delete key over expanding and promoting the image of the meteorite list around the world. Your choice. Thanks. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Hi Martin and all, I agree Martin. People can use there delete keys. One side wants to complain but then doesn't want to listen after opening up a can of worms. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Dark Matter Hello all, If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the topic. thank you, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
Hi Al, I haven't tried to put anyone in a bad spot, and I haven't tried to act like a moderator. If you remember, I asked for some guidance from the moderator, who has still remained silent on this issue. And as far as what belongs on this list, and what does not - I believe there are incredible things said on this list that are tolerated, but for some reasons, my comments which I believe are right on target and which do not even come close to some of the language displayed here in the past, is not tolerated. In my opinion, there is a double standard here. So I will make it easier for everyone. I think it is time that I take a vacation from this list - I am going to unsubscribe. (I can hear the hoorays already :-). I don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side anymore, nor do I want some of the posts to distract me from what a wonderful hobby meteorite collecting is. I unsubscribed for a short while back at Christmas time, when I thought some of the language on some of the posts was pretty abusive and not keeping in the spirit of the season. I came back, but didn't think things would reach the point they have in such a short time. The delete key only works so far for me - ultimately, for me at least, and I am willing to bet for some others as well, it leads to an unsubscribe. And if you want to see why I got into meteorite collecting and what it means to me, take a look at Notes Records of the Royal Society, Sept/Oct 2007 - that's the peered reviewed scholarly journal of the Royal Society - I had a paper involving the history of meteorites published in that issue. I mentioned this to the list back when, and if I recall, only received one response off line. And I have another paper involving the history of meteorites presently in submission and under peer review with another scholarly journal on the history of science. If anyone would like to learn if and when that second article is published, you can send me an email to my private email address. I think it is kind of a neat article. Thanks to the handful of dealers of whom I have learned so much, and who helped me build a small but impressive historical collection, and thanks to the handful of members who have been most helpful to me in the past in answering so many of my questions. I hope everyone is successful at Tuscon and obtains the specimens - as well as the knowledge - they desire. And I do hope that everyone is satisfied, or will eventually be satisfied, with how the list evolves in the future. Mark - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Mark, I'd just rather not comment on this but since you have attempted to put Martin and me in the bad guy spot, and words into my mouth I'll comment. I am commenting for myself and not Martin. First you have made 4 or 5 posts on this subject, mainly trying to end the debate. I have only made two (one by mistake) comments until this post, supporting a post by another member. While I respect some of what you are saying about letting the topic die, and I believe this had no place on this list (there are plenty of other forums for this) there is nothing wrong with addressing what another member commented needlessly and out of place on. If this member had simply kept it to himself, then the issue would not still be blazing away. You seem to have attempted to put yourself into some sort of authoritative figure here and put words into my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I don't appreciate the condescending way you went about it. You again have posted on the subject rather than let it die. So you are equally guilty of keeping this thread alive. Again if you don't like reading something then delete it. You have also put yourself in the roll of list moderator which you are not. While I appreciate that you don't care for the thread I'd appreciate it if you don't drag me into to all this which you did. Now maybe we can get back to meteorites and all this can die. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms. Right now its not a question of who wants to listen to what, or who opened what, but how just how long both sides want to listen to this continuing, apparently never ending debate. I assume Martin and Al believe this topic has not been discussed sufficiently based on their posts. Martin and Al - can you please confirm to the list that my assumption is correct, and after all of the debate, you still actively welcome postings on this topic - from emininent scientists as well as unknown collectors - and that you don't want to see this can of worms closed. If I am
