Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Hi Eric, I looked briefly at the article and then at the webpage. I know that I have to go back and look at things a little more to see if it's actual scientific evidence or if it's more of a face on mars kind of webpage... Since I haven't seen any mention of it in any other news media I'm a little skeptical at this point. Yeah, okay, Panspermia isn't exactly a name I would want associated with a scientific discovery if I were to make one... Makes me wonder what exactly the .org stand for... Original Message: - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:48:09 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? Amazing there's No response on a meteorite list about possible fossilized bacteria and microbes in meteorites Is it because it's on Panspermia.org or that the word Panspermia is used? Why the silence on such a HUGE subject? Eric On 8/20/2010 5:35 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help - Displaying flanged button tektites (B. Schroeder)
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Help - Displaying flanged button tektites (B. Schroeder) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Help - Displaying flanged button tektites (B. Schroeder) Hello Rob Wesel and All Good to see talk of Tektites on this thread , a rare treat for me , since I do have a vast Tektite collection , and Love them.. This is the first time I have written to the List , but I am an avid reader... DISPLAYING TEKTITES: I would never use an adhesive on any Specimen.. I might suggest a small stand , specifically designed for displaying your show pieces.. I use simple Silver Wire ( any metal would work ), 3 legged displays , that can easily be made, bent and fitted to hold any Specimen. The ends that the Specimen rests in can be bent with Tool or Hand to Hold the Specimen , in the same manner a Ring holds a Gemstone. These can be Basic wire stands , or they can get quite Ornate, depending on the amount of time, skill and effort the person making them has. Imagination is key to making displays worthy of the Specimen being displayed. Precast metal pieces can be used as footings or simple pieces of wood with a drilled hole or three, to hold the Wires can be used.. Clear Plexiglass is also nice to use and can be easily cut, shaped and glued with a little patience.. I find the effort always worth the reward. Personally, sometimes I get carried away, and the stands end up taking hours to create and are worth more than the Specimens being displayed.. If you have a Display case that allows you to Hang the Specimens from a Monofilament strand, then wire cages can be designed as well to hold and display Specimens as well. Another suggestion is to have a Display case with Glass Shelves and Back lighting as well as Front Lighting, surrounding the Specimens with Light, so when the Lights are on, the Transparent / Translucent Specimens Internal Color and Clarity can be clearly seen. This is a spectacular way to display and view Pallasites as well as Tektites. Having Fun is what it is all about. Cheers All. B. Schroeder Member #7381 ADVERT: http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM PLEASE contact me br...@aajewel.comto inquire about Discounts, Jewelry Making, Cutting and Carving Services for IMCA Members.. -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:44:48 -0700 From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Help - Displaying flanged button tektites To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hello all For those of you lucky enough to own a button, I was wondering if you had them displayed in any particular way. I want to cleanly suspend the piece upright in profile and pondered a metal post with mineral tack or a drop of hot glue but I am nervous the piece would break if I ever tried to remove it. Any ideas out there, hate to have it tucked in a cardboard box or membrane box. I need a museum quality display method for a museum quality piece. Any ideas are welcomed. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 == Message: 7 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:36:24 -0400 From: i...@tektiteinc.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Flanged Australite Hunting Video To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi all, Please see the link below for a very nice flanged button hunting video! Wish I was back living in Victoria! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRoVdFDB9E Cheers, Desmond Leong IMCA #2254 http://www.TektiteInc.com Message: 13 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:38:15 +0930 From: WS Schroer schr...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was:Spectacular Tektite on eBay) To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hi Rob, list, Rob, I'm happy to see that my former companion is still in good hands. ;) I would not use hot glue on a flanged button, I even would be very careful with any kind of mineral tack, if you haven't used it before on a long term basis and know whether it is stable. During my years of collecting minerals I've seen quite frequently remnants of some kind of mineral tack stuck to a specimen that could not be removed. An experienced curator pointed me to this product: 'Tereson', manufactured by www.henkel-technologies.com in Europe. (Product # IDH-Nr. 150002 or Art.-Nr. 128.96S) It seems to be chemically stable and doesn't seep into the specimens as most other products sooner or later do. I've used it on minerals, tektites and meteorite specimens, and on your australite, Rob. Let me know if you can't buy the product, I can send you a sample for your australite. Cheers Werner Schroer This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help
Thanks for the emails and donations so far. Once I get the doors open, I will be asking those who offered advertising for the help that has been kindly offered. $100 of the amount needed has been raised up to this point. I forgot to include a link to the site I set up with information on the museum project. http://meteoritemuseum.info/ Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:46 AM Hi to all, I hope everyone is doing good. I have found a new building for the museum, its $200 less per month (only $600 vs $800) and has a good amount more floor space (8000 square feet) It is going to cost about $1200 per month for the museum once rent, utilities, security, insurance and so forth is accounted for. I am asking for anyone who wants to contribute to email me asap. I am accepting donations and also discounting my stock for quick sale to get the $2600 I need to get the building and open the doors. I have about 10 days to get the money for this. I dont know how much I will be able to cover by myself with my limited income, so the land owner and I have worked out a 3 month trial lease to see if I will be able to sustain the costs of this. Its not something I will make a profit off ever, any money that comes in above the monthly costs will go into the museum to help growth. My plan to help with monthly costs includes a gift store that will sell meteorites and a low admission fee - other then that, Its on me to raise the cash. I have been provided some awesome NWA meteorites by one of the nicest people in the meteorite field to sell to help raise the money needed, they are available for sale at modest prices, contact me for more on these. Contributors will have a space for thanks and recognition at the museum as well as Richard Norton, who the museum is being named after, to honor him, his contributions to the field and for the wonderful books he left for all meteorite collectors, new and old. I have tried to get the cash myself, but just cant do it. Those interested in helping, or wanting to learn more about the project, please contact me off list, thanks, Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Campo Del Cielo My first sell hopefully ^^
Well The other day I bought a Campo Del Cielo and sent some pics to Gary Fujihara and he said indeed it was a Campo. Well I would like to try and make my first sale here but then again I'm not sure what i should sell it for so I guess just send me offers on it. I will say there is some small rust in one crack and I'm not to sure the steps to clean it and I really don't want to mess it up. Its 951.4/g And is not coated with anything. Not sure if this is against the terms for the list but here is pictures of it. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6221685l=fc4a1f4ad2id=612353652 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6221699l=476067886eid=612353652 If you need anymore info or pictures just send me a message. Also I don't have a scale cube yet so if anyone thinks I should retake the pictures with something let me know. Thanks so much Jesse Piper __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Apparently this is a hoax, sorry about that guys !! : ( Chuck http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles - Forwarded Message From: Charles O'Dale codale0...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:35:04 AM Subject: Cyanobacteria in meteorites? http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 25% OFF - Eclectic assortment - Cutting/Polishing services, Meteorite Webmaster Report, and more!
Hi Folks! I have some interesting news for those of you who maintain meteorite-related websites. Over the last week, I have intensively researched the google page rank of 89 different meteorite websites, including dealers. I have compared the longevity, page ranks and traffic details of these websites and complied the data into a report. This report will show the google page ranks of 100 websites (89 meteorite sites plus some benchmarks) and then give some analysis of what these pagerank numbers mean, and how you can improve your page rank. If you run a meteorite-related website or a dealer site, then your site is probably mentioned and ranked in this report. This report is 9 pages long and is available upon request for $2. If after reading the report, you don't think it was helpful or informative, I will refund your $2. Any webmaster who wants to improve their traffic or any dealer who wants to increase their sales, should see this report. If you want a copy of the report, send $2 via PayPal to - meteoritem...@gmail.com Some of you might be quite surprised (or shocked!) to see what your website's google page rank is. Also, I am offering my cutting and polishing services to any meteorite collectors who have stony or stony-iron specimens in need of cutting. Perhaps you want a specimen sliced, windowed, or a type specimen removed for classification. As long as your specimen is no bigger than 3-inches at it's widest dimension, I can cut it. I have cut and polished specimens for other dealers and several collectors, and I can provide references and photos of my work on request. I can do just cutting without sanding, or I can sand/polish all the way to 1500 grit and beyond, for a true glassy-smooth finish. See this link for more info about cutting - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-cutting-services-i-cut-your-meteorite Currently I am offering 25% OFF every specimen in my store, just use coupon code sale at checkout to get the discount. :) See the newest specimens here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new/?page=1s=newest Unclassified stony specimens - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/nwa-unclassified Exclusive Riker box displays - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/riker-box-displays Also, check out the new Meteorite Top Sites List - increase your website traffic for free! - http://meteorite.gotop100.com/ Feel free to contact me offlist with any questions or requests - meteoritem...@gmail.com Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM 1492, Orgueil 1864, Almahata Sitta aka 2008TC3, SYLACAUGA, Tagish Lake, Weston, Pultusk, Lost City ending on EBAY.
Hello Listers, I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending very soon on eBay and other meteorites I would like to feature for the week. Please take a look at all the meteorites I have and if you have any question people email me and Ill see what I can help you out with. ENSISHEIM 1492 historic meteorite from France, rare! Must have for any collector http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260651135530ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL 6mg meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=26065194ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! The diamond that fell from the sky http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260651956711ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL meteorite 26mg, very rare historic fall-1864! MAKE AN OFFER http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260645918521ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 seen from space rare! MUST HAVE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260651453907ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT PULTUSK meteorite 6.4g with fusion crust from 1868 FAMOUS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260653966266ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA RARE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260651455415ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 50mg LOT with nanodiamonds, rare! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260650995215ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT For other great items please take a look at my eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Featured meteorites for the week WESTON meteorite 1st American meteorite fall, very rare http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260644135943ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT SYLACAUGA meteorite, Mrs. Hodges Meteorite Strike! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260644137634ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL meteorite 8mg, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260644515200ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
Perhaps... But, are you referring to the Orgueil meteorite claim of fossilized bacteria, Murchison, or the whole claim of fossilized microbial life in meteorites all together? We already know that microbial life can survive in space. The question is for how long. The conclusion sounds accurate enough to say... Plausible: Life is not restricted to Earth, nor is there evidence that says empirically that life could NOT survive in the harshness of space. In fact there is more evidence that suggested it's probable than not. Based on the fact that it has already been observed that life can survive in space without the insulative protection that asteroid, meteoroid, or ejecta material could provide. Look at this: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1998/ast01sep98_1/#anchor179666 Granted that's only 2.6 years, and we brought it back to Earth. What's to say it wouldn't have survived in the camera longer if left alone, or if it were cocooned within the safe confines of a meteoroid or asteroid that it couldn't survive for millions of years. There's an interesting article on survival of microbes in space in the Journal of Cosmology titled Microbial Survival Mechanisms and the Interplanetary Transfer of Life Through Space. http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia9.html And the Plausibility of Martian Microbes - Which was posted/linked to on the Met-List in 2004 http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg21972.html Original Article: http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/941/plausibility-of-martian-microbes Also good reads from LPI, NASA, and Astrobiology Magazine. Fossil Life in ALH 84001? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/life.html Evidence of Ancient Martian Life in Meteorite ALH84001? http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html And these articles on extremophiles and other extreme life propagating environs: http://www.astrobio.net/hottopic_origins_extremelife.php The evidence of life transfer from reputable sources is growing. The more we learn about meteorites the more we realize that they are the key to understanding everything. Regards, Eric On 8/21/2010 10:18 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: Apparently this is a hoax, sorry about that guys !! : ( Chuck http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles - Forwarded Message From: Charles O'Dalecodale0...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:35:04 AM Subject: Cyanobacteria in meteorites? http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
I wholeheartedly agree Mike! Resembling something like fossilized bacteria is completely different than being proof of life. I'm curious how many of us meteorite addicts are actually believers in extraterrestrial life, or at the very least are open to the possibility. Regards, Eric On 8/20/2010 4:12 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Folks, I think some of the reluctance to accept results like these is that they are largely based on visual comparison. A scientist thinks the structures seen in the meteorite closely resemble the structures of bacteria. There is no definitive proof that the structures are indeed fossilized bacteria. There is little question that the structures do resemble bacteria, but resembling something and being something are two very different things. Best regards, MikeG On 8/20/10, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Hi Kirk, I agree such a discovery, if true, is monumental. Perhaps even larger than one person could ever conceive or comprehend. As huge as news of this is, not one person responded with comment to even refute this lastest link or argue against it, or propose another opinion at all. It simply got ignored. I'm seriously curious about this apparent double standard on the burden of proof. Sure, there's questions to be asked, but my point is no ones asking... Even the NASA's announcement of 3 Martian meteorites having possible evidence of life in the form of microbial fossils was practically ignored from most list members a few months back. Barely any discussion on it at all. It seems people would rather whine about what meteorite is paired with what, complain about pricing than talk about what really matters. Aliens! It's like no one wants to talk about the possibility of aliens or something! ;) Is there really some alien stigma out there? Are people afraid of being accused of being crazy tinfoil hat wearing alien mind probe freaks? Regards, Eric On 8/20/2010 3:52 PM, Becky and Kirk wrote: Hi Eric and All, A very significant discovery indeed---and---the evidence to back it up! A huge story! The Murchison data is pretty compelling. Kirk.:-) - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? Amazing there's No response on a meteorite list about possible fossilized bacteria and microbes in meteorites Is it because it's on Panspermia.org or that the word Panspermia is used? Why the silence on such a HUGE subject? Eric On 8/20/2010 5:35 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:25:30 -0700, you wrote: I'm curious how many of us meteorite addicts are actually believers in extraterrestrial life, or at the very least are open to the possibility. Anyone who is not open to the possibility of exterrestrial life-- meaning anyone who is convinced that the only POSSIBLE life in the entire universe is that on Earth-- is an effing nitwit. Having said that, I'm agnostic on fossils in Martian meteorites and am not even close to beginning to swallow fossils in carbonaceous chondrites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
Martian meteorite NWA 998 displays an abundance of these fossils and is proving to be much richer than ALH84001: If the scientific community ever completely embraces the idea, then we will witness another surge in the importance they represent. In any case, all of the talk of Martian fossils and life helped lift Mars into the forefront making it easier to justify all of the missions taking place there. In my opinion, ALH84001 and the scientists who studied it are mostly responsible for the renewed interest in Mars. Here is a link to a recent article on NWA 998: http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on-mars.html Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 12:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites Perhaps... But, are you referring to the Orgueil meteorite claim of fossilized bacteria, Murchison, or the whole claim of fossilized microbial life in meteorites all together? We already know that microbial life can survive in space. The question is for how long. The conclusion sounds accurate enough to say... Plausible: Life is not restricted to Earth, nor is there evidence that says empirically that life could NOT survive in the harshness of space. In fact there is more evidence that suggested it's probable than not. Based on the fact that it has already been observed that life can survive in space without the insulative protection that asteroid, meteoroid, or ejecta material could provide. Look at this: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1998/ast01sep98_1/#anchor179666 Granted that's only 2.6 years, and we brought it back to Earth. What's to say it wouldn't have survived in the camera longer if left alone, or if it were cocooned within the safe confines of a meteoroid or asteroid that it couldn't survive for millions of years. There's an interesting article on survival of microbes in space in the Journal of Cosmology titled Microbial Survival Mechanisms and the Interplanetary Transfer of Life Through Space. http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia9.html And the Plausibility of Martian Microbes - Which was posted/linked to on the Met-List in 2004 http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg21972.html Original Article: http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/941/plausibility-of-martian-microbes Also good reads from LPI, NASA, and Astrobiology Magazine. Fossil Life in ALH 84001? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/life.html Evidence of Ancient Martian Life in Meteorite ALH84001? http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html And these articles on extremophiles and other extreme life propagating environs: http://www.astrobio.net/hottopic_origins_extremelife.php The evidence of life transfer from reputable sources is growing. The more we learn about meteorites the more we realize that they are the key to understanding everything. Regards, Eric On 8/21/2010 10:18 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: Apparently this is a hoax, sorry about that guys !! : ( Chuck http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles - Forwarded Message From: Charles O'Dalecodale0...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:35:04 AM Subject: Cyanobacteria in meteorites? http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Ok, I'll go with that first part... But why do you doubt fossilized microbes in carbonaceous meteorites? Eric On 8/21/2010 2:02 PM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:25:30 -0700, you wrote: I'm curious how many of us meteorite addicts are actually believers in extraterrestrial life, or at the very least are open to the possibility. Anyone who is not open to the possibility of exterrestrial life-- meaning anyone who is convinced that the only POSSIBLE life in the entire universe is that on Earth-- is an effing nitwit. Having said that, I'm agnostic on fossils in Martian meteorites and am not even close to beginning to swallow fossils in carbonaceous chondrites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:26:31 -0700, you wrote: Ok, I'll go with that first part... But why do you doubt fossilized microbes in carbonaceous meteorites? One, because the report so far utterly lacks the extreme degree of scientific rigor needed for such an extreme story and two, because it flies in the face of common sense plausibility for complex life (and yes, bacteria are complex life) could have evolved on a carbonaceous chondrite parent body before it went cold and dry. I'm going to need much, much, much more evidence than an article at a wingnut panspermia site. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
Hi Adam, I think eventually the scientific community will embrace it. A large collection of highly intelligent minds think rather slowly apparently. ;) Patience... Historically there's a process of belief vs proof and that helps hypothesis and theory to evolves into self evident fact.. At first people are not receptive and it gets ignored, then they argue against it, then it becomes plausible, and finally it becomes a viable theory, which in turn becomes fact based on empirical evidence. Only then will something become accepted. Like I said before, the evidence of extraterrestrial life is growing. You mention Mars and exploration... I found this the other day. Symphony of Science - The Case For Mars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0 Enjoy... Eric On 8/21/2010 1:17 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Martian meteorite NWA 998 displays an abundance of these fossils and is proving to be much richer than ALH84001: If the scientific community ever completely embraces the idea, then we will witness another surge in the importance they represent. In any case, all of the talk of Martian fossils and life helped lift Mars into the forefront making it easier to justify all of the missions taking place there. In my opinion, ALH84001 and the scientists who studied it are mostly responsible for the renewed interest in Mars. Here is a link to a recent article on NWA 998: http://skymania.com/wp/2010/04/new-meteorite-clues-to-life-on-mars.html Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 12:15:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites Perhaps... But, are you referring to the Orgueil meteorite claim of fossilized bacteria, Murchison, or the whole claim of fossilized microbial life in meteorites all together? We already know that microbial life can survive in space. The question is for how long. The conclusion sounds accurate enough to say... Plausible: Life is not restricted to Earth, nor is there evidence that says empirically that life could NOT survive in the harshness of space. In fact there is more evidence that suggested it's probable than not. Based on the fact that it has already been observed that life can survive in space without the insulative protection that asteroid, meteoroid, or ejecta material could provide. Look at this: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1998/ast01sep98_1/#anchor179666 Granted that's only 2.6 years, and we brought it back to Earth. What's to say it wouldn't have survived in the camera longer if left alone, or if it were cocooned within the safe confines of a meteoroid or asteroid that it couldn't survive for millions of years. There's an interesting article on survival of microbes in space in the Journal of Cosmology titled Microbial Survival Mechanisms and the Interplanetary Transfer of Life Through Space. http://journalofcosmology.com/Panspermia9.html And the Plausibility of Martian Microbes - Which was posted/linked to on the Met-List in 2004 http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg21972.html Original Article: http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/941/plausibility-of-martian-microbes Also good reads from LPI, NASA, and Astrobiology Magazine. Fossil Life in ALH 84001? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/life.html Evidence of Ancient Martian Life in Meteorite ALH84001? http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html And these articles on extremophiles and other extreme life propagating environs: http://www.astrobio.net/hottopic_origins_extremelife.php The evidence of life transfer from reputable sources is growing. The more we learn about meteorites the more we realize that they are the key to understanding everything. Regards, Eric On 8/21/2010 10:18 AM, Charles O'Dale wrote: Apparently this is a hoax, sorry about that guys !! : ( Chuck http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles - Forwarded Message From: Charles O'Dalecodale0...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:35:04 AM Subject: Cyanobacteria in meteorites? http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:39:48 -0700, you wrote: ;) Patience... Historically there's a process of belief vs proof and that helps hypothesis and theory to evolves into self evident fact.. At first people are not receptive and it gets ignored, then they argue against it, then it becomes plausible, and finally it becomes a viable theory, which in turn becomes fact based on empirical evidence. And, at times, the evidence is ambigious and questionable. ALH84001 is one of those times. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/alhnpap.html http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/alhnpapers_archive.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Dear Darren and Eric - having worked on ALH 84001 years ago and having been involved in research/management of the NASA -AMES Exobiology Program, I am a skeptic of fossil life in 84001 or any other Martian meteorite recovered to date. However, the finding of water on Mars and the recent discovery of methane does give promise. We know that Mars had water oceans at one time, although we do not know how long the water reservoirs were available to promote simple life. It took 100s of millions of years to accomplish that feat on Earth in the form of cyanobacteria, about 3.5 billion years ago. The main problem with fossil life in carbonaceous chondrites is contamination. With respect to Orgueil and contamination, Paul Pellas told me a long time ago that most of the museum's Orgueil collection had been stored haphazardly in boxes in the same drawer with various French coal samples - not good. Even though Murchison is a fall, there may have been sufficient time for the transfer of cyanobacteria or other simple organisms in the soil to nutrient-rich, water-bearing Murchison specimens. The best sample for fossil life study could be Tagish Lake - those samples that were immediately collected and carefully treated to avoid most forms of contaminates. My bottom line is that meteorites are a poor harborer of life in any case. Ted On 8/21/10 2:02 PM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:25:30 -0700, you wrote: I'm curious how many of us meteorite addicts are actually believers in extraterrestrial life, or at the very least are open to the possibility. Anyone who is not open to the possibility of exterrestrial life-- meaning anyone who is convinced that the only POSSIBLE life in the entire universe is that on Earth-- is an effing nitwit. Having said that, I'm agnostic on fossils in Martian meteorites and am not even close to beginning to swallow fossils in carbonaceous chondrites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
If one looks hard enough at anything with a skeptical mind ambiguity will present itself in all it's subjective glory. I understand about contamination with regard to meteorites falling, then sitting for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years before their discovery. I also admit that improper handling of specimens could contaminate and void results as well. The only way to fix this apparent problem of doubt is to reduce the amount of it by acquiring and compiling more evidential data through proper sampling. Data that might be considered absolutely irrefutable. Is there such a thing? Perhaps one could argue the only way to prove it would be to send a probe to an asteroid, recover samples in a sterile environment, with sterile equipment, and preserve the sample through the entire journey back to Earth, to a sterile lab where the piece could be examined. Even then, doubt could still be cast, and it could be argued that contamination could happen at any point during the entire process from manufacture and assemblage of the probe, to launch, collection method, sample return, processing, etc. How do you cut out all of that doubt? Is it with a manned mission to the surface of an asteroid? Whereby that astronaut/scientist would sample and examine the asteroid onsite and report findings IF any evidence was found. How long would that manned mission take to find evidence? Perhaps forever if it doesn't exist But think of the knowledge that could be learned during that time. I'm sure there are those that would find fault with this method too. Humans are more fallible than machines. I'm not arguing against doubt. I'm for it to an extent. But we should temper doubt with logic. When does scientific evidence become accepted fact? Eric On 8/21/2010 3:20 PM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:39:48 -0700, you wrote: ;) Patience... Historically there's a process of belief vs proof and that helps hypothesis and theory to evolves into self evident fact.. At first people are not receptive and it gets ignored, then they argue against it, then it becomes plausible, and finally it becomes a viable theory, which in turn becomes fact based on empirical evidence. And, at times, the evidence is ambigious and questionable. ALH84001 is one of those times. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/alhnpap.html http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/meteorites/alhnpapers_archive.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Hi all My first post here on this excellent list. I think it's strange that the only place I can find anything about Hoovers presentation is on the panspermia web-site. From my fast google schearch it seems that Richard Hoover and the team is very respectable, so why only an article on what seems to be a very biased web-site? The agenda for the Astrobiology XIII session don't give me enough information. Can it be confirmed that the claims was actually put forward by Richard Hoover at the conference, and do we know if there will be any official paper about it? In short, can the source of this story be trusted? Regards Lars -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] På vegne af Meteorites USA Sendt: 20. august 2010 23:48 Til: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Emne: Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? Amazing there's No response on a meteorite list about possible fossilized bacteria and microbes in meteorites Is it because it's on Panspermia.org or that the word Panspermia is used? Why the silence on such a HUGE subject? Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:15:18 -0700, you wrote: If one looks hard enough at anything with a skeptical mind ambiguity will present itself in all it's subjective glory. As does confirmation bias. Are you REALLY suggesting that people shouldn't look at information skeptically and point out flaws in it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WAS Cyanobacteria in meteorites? NOW: Life in Meteorites
Of course not, as evidenced by my comment.. ...I'm not arguing against doubt. I'm for it to an extent. But we should temper doubt with logic...' My point was that we can reduce the amount of doubt by proper sampling and testing. That in turn frees the mind to be open to more radical possibilities. Too much skepticism makes for a constipated mind. ;) Eric On 8/21/2010 4:36 PM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:15:18 -0700, you wrote: If one looks hard enough at anything with a skeptical mind ambiguity will present itself in all it's subjective glory. As does confirmation bias. Are you REALLY suggesting that people shouldn't look at information skeptically and point out flaws in it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement: Digital Edition is FREE
UPDATE: Free PDF Version Download: http://www.mhcmagazine.com/current-issue/july-2010/ Enjoy... Eric On 8/20/2010 12:26 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hello World, We're FREE! Just a quick announcement about Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine. After much experimentation, meetings, suggestions, advice, and soul searching, we're making the Digital Edition FREE for everyone. I believe you will enjoy it. This means all of you, quite rightly, everyone in the whole world will be able to view and enjoy the magazine at their leisure, share with friends, and read all the great meteorite hunting and collecting, and science articles within it's pages. Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine isn't just about the science, or the adventure, or the fun, or the space rocks themselves. It's about the people that create and advance this great science and what these little black rocks mean to us as humans. View the Digital Edition: http://www.mhcmagazine.com/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine www.MHCMagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Orgueil Meteorite - was Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Explains the Orgueil Meteorite organic content. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/orgueil.html Still looking for evidence for - Cyanobacterial filaments in the Murchison - Chuck __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New Gemel Kamil and eBay stuff
Hello all I have some new 100ish gram Gebel Kamil specimens up on my website http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/gebelkamil.htm And a few auctions ending tomorrow http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html The shock melt has been selling well and I still have an assortment of pieces not on the website available, just let me know your price range and I'll match you up with a slice http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/nwa4860.htm Take care, Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Lars, The abstract of Richard Hoover's lecture at SPIE was entitled Comets, Carbonaceous Meteorites, and the Origin of the Biosphere In this abstract he states in part Field Emission Scanning Electron Microscope (FESEM) studies carried out during the past several years on freshly fractured interior surfaces of the Orgueil CI meteorite has revealed in-situ the existence of the well-preserved mineralized remains of a complex suite of trichomic prokaryotes. Many of the forms found embedded in the mineral matrix are morphotypes of cyanobacteria and sulphur bacteria. He was the Chair for a number of the sessions at this astrobiology conference. I would suggest that anyone who takes this subject seriously and has questions about the topic, be suspicious about any sources other than his own. You can probably contact him directly more information and possibly a copy of his presentations. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 8/21/10, Lars Zielke zie...@nightsky.dk wrote: From: Lars Zielke zie...@nightsky.dk Subject: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 2:55 PM Hi all My first post here on this excellent list. I think it's strange that the only place I can find anything about Hoovers presentation is on the panspermia web-site. From my fast google schearch it seems that Richard Hoover and the team is very respectable, so why only an article on what seems to be a very biased web-site? The agenda for the Astrobiology XIII session don't give me enough information. Can it be confirmed that the claims was actually put forward by Richard Hoover at the conference, and do we know if there will be any official paper about it? In short, can the source of this story be trusted? Regards Lars -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] På vegne af Meteorites USA Sendt: 20. august 2010 23:48 Til: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Emne: Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? Amazing there's No response on a meteorite list about possible fossilized bacteria and microbes in meteorites Is it because it's on Panspermia.org or that the word Panspermia is used? Why the silence on such a HUGE subject? Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 22, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Eric, Richard, List, The website panspermia.org is funded by a private organization, a one-man foundation. It has donated chiefly to Cardiff University in Wales and Chandra Wickramasinghe's research. The SPIE conference schedule is here: http://spie.org//app/program/index.cfm?fuseaction=conferencedetailexport_id=x13102ID=x12769redir=x12769.xmlconference_id=915535event_id=894261programtrack_id=915692 No paper with the title Comets, Carbonaceous Meteorites, and the Origin of the Biosphere is mentioned anywhere in the published Schedule for the Conference. Hoover delivered an invited paper, Chiral biomarkers in meteorites (no publication data and no abstract; it will be published in the Proceedings). Hoover essentially moderated the panel discussions, and he was a co-author on several other papers presented. One by Marina M. Astafieva, and Alexei Y. Rozanov Comparative characteristic of methods of ancient rocks (AR-PR1) microfossils investigations, and another by the same and other authors, Early Precambrian pillow lavas as habitat for microfossils. However, perhaps you mean this: Hoover, R. B. Comets, Carbonaceous Meteorites and the Origin of the Biosphere in Biosphere Origin and Evolution (N. Dobretsov, N. Kolchanov, A. Rozanov and G. Zavarzin, Eds.) Springer US, New York 55-68, (2008). http://www.springerlink.com/content/u17384273280174l/ The item on the panspermia.org website: http://www.panspermia.org/hoover4.htm is only the most recent of such announcements from Hoover. There's these two from 2004: http://www.panspermia.org/hoover3.htm http://www.panspermia.org/hoover2.htm The plentiful references suggests these are not made up. There are a lot of references there if anyone wants to chase them down. Hoover himself seems to cautiously add the term biomorph after every description, as in, Well, they LOOK like living cells... On a lighter note, there were several presentations at the Conference by Godfrey Louis and Chandra Wickramasinghe on the continuing ruptures of bat red blood cells in highly pressurized jars of super-heated oil, which they believe to be alien lifeforms that are multiplying --- the so-called Red Rain of Kerala. I love standup... Beyond the question of contamination of meteorites by contact or surface exposure, is the fact that micro-organisms can go ANYWHERE. There is nowhere on this planet (or any other planet, I imagine) that they cannot penetrate. They are found in situ and alive in solid rock samples from five miles down in the Earth's crust. They are found high in the atmosphere. If you are small enough, you can squeeze in anywhere. There will be no acceptance of, say, microbial life on Mars until we can go there and observe them directly at work and at play in their own environment. And even then, there will be cries of contamination. It would be much better if alien life would simply walk up and ask to be taken to our leader... ...if we had one. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? Lars, The abstract of Richard Hoover's lecture at SPIE was entitled Comets, Carbonaceous Meteorites, and the Origin of the Biosphere In this abstract he states in part Field Emission Scanning Electron Microscope (FESEM) studies carried out during the past several years on freshly fractured interior surfaces of the Orgueil CI meteorite has revealed in-situ the existence of the well-preserved mineralized remains of a complex suite of trichomic prokaryotes. Many of the forms found embedded in the mineral matrix are morphotypes of cyanobacteria and sulphur bacteria. He was the Chair for a number of the sessions at this astrobiology conference. I would suggest that anyone who takes this subject seriously and has questions about the topic, be suspicious about any sources other than his own. You can probably contact him directly more information and possibly a copy of his presentations. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 8/21/10, Lars Zielke zie...@nightsky.dk wrote: From: Lars Zielke zie...@nightsky.dk Subject: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 2:55 PM Hi all My first post here on this excellent list. I think it's strange that the only place I can find anything about Hoovers presentation is on the panspermia web-site. From my fast google schearch it seems that Richard Hoover and the team is very respectable, so why only an article on what seems to be a very biased web-site? The agenda for the Astrobiology XIII session don't give me enough information. Can it be confirmed that the claims was actually put forward by Richard Hoover at the conference, and do we know if there will be any official paper
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help
Hi Greg, I admire your passion to get this museum up and running, but do you have a real financial plan thought out, written up and ready to execute? This almost seems like when I was 8 years old and I wanted to start a museum with dinosaur models in it. This doesn't sound financially sound and you could lose more money than you are expecting to. What happens if you get donations for a year (so you sign the contract with the building owner), but then the donations dry up the next year? Do you have to move the museum into your basement? Will you be giving the donated specimens back to everyone who donated them (and therefore you will pay the shipping out of your own pocket)? There are probably laws regarding these types of things (so a person couldn't start there own museum and then run with the specimens), but I don't know anything about that. Maybe someone else can help you with that. I've heard that museums cannot sell any donated items if they want to dispose of them; they MUST send them back to the original donator OR throw them away in the trash. I heard this from a reputable source, but I didn't hear if this is a law or just the policy of the museum that I was talking to him about (which I cannot mention the name of because I don't want to get him in trouble in case this is just that museum's policy). I really hope this all works out for you and everyone involved, but it doesn't sound like you have a solid plan yet. Maybe you do and just haven't told us about it. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:13 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help Thanks for the emails and donations so far. Once I get the doors open, I will be asking those who offered advertising for the help that has been kindly offered. $100 of the amount needed has been raised up to this point. I forgot to include a link to the site I set up with information on the museum project. http://meteoritemuseum.info/ Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:46 AM Hi to all, I hope everyone is doing good. I have found a new building for the museum, its $200 less per month (only $600 vs $800) and has a good amount more floor space (8000 square feet) It is going to cost about $1200 per month for the museum once rent, utilities, security, insurance and so forth is accounted for. I am asking for anyone who wants to contribute to email me asap. I am accepting donations and also discounting my stock for quick sale to get the $2600 I need to get the building and open the doors. I have about 10 days to get the money for this. I dont know how much I will be able to cover by myself with my limited income, so the land owner and I have worked out a 3 month trial lease to see if I will be able to sustain the costs of this. Its not something I will make a profit off ever, any money that comes in above the monthly costs will go into the museum to help growth. My plan to help with monthly costs includes a gift store that will sell meteorites and a low admission fee - other then that, Its on me to raise the cash. I have been provided some awesome NWA meteorites by one of the nicest people in the meteorite field to sell to help raise the money needed, they are available for sale at modest prices, contact me for more on these. Contributors will have a space for thanks and recognition at the museum as well as Richard Norton, who the museum is being named after, to honor him, his contributions to the field and for the wonderful books he left for all meteorite collectors, new and old. I have tried to get the cash myself, but just cant do it. Those interested in helping, or wanting to learn more about the project, please contact me off list, thanks, Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help
Hi Greg, I'm sorry, I didn't see the sentence about all of the meteorites at the museum will be from your personal collection. That does make it easier for you (a lot less liability). I hope it all goes well! Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 -Original Message- From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:b...@peaktopeak.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:08 PM To: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com' Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help Hi Greg, I admire your passion to get this museum up and running, but do you have a real financial plan thought out, written up and ready to execute? This almost seems like when I was 8 years old and I wanted to start a museum with dinosaur models in it. This doesn't sound financially sound and you could lose more money than you are expecting to. What happens if you get donations for a year (so you sign the contract with the building owner), but then the donations dry up the next year? Do you have to move the museum into your basement? Will you be giving the donated specimens back to everyone who donated them (and therefore you will pay the shipping out of your own pocket)? There are probably laws regarding these types of things (so a person couldn't start there own museum and then run with the specimens), but I don't know anything about that. Maybe someone else can help you with that. I've heard that museums cannot sell any donated items if they want to dispose of them; they MUST send them back to the original donator OR throw them away in the trash. I heard this from a reputable source, but I didn't hear if this is a law or just the policy of the museum that I was talking to him about (which I cannot mention the name of because I don't want to get him in trouble in case this is just that museum's policy). I really hope this all works out for you and everyone involved, but it doesn't sound like you have a solid plan yet. Maybe you do and just haven't told us about it. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:13 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help Thanks for the emails and donations so far. Once I get the doors open, I will be asking those who offered advertising for the help that has been kindly offered. $100 of the amount needed has been raised up to this point. I forgot to include a link to the site I set up with information on the museum project. http://meteoritemuseum.info/ Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:46 AM Hi to all, I hope everyone is doing good. I have found a new building for the museum, its $200 less per month (only $600 vs $800) and has a good amount more floor space (8000 square feet) It is going to cost about $1200 per month for the museum once rent, utilities, security, insurance and so forth is accounted for. I am asking for anyone who wants to contribute to email me asap. I am accepting donations and also discounting my stock for quick sale to get the $2600 I need to get the building and open the doors. I have about 10 days to get the money for this. I dont know how much I will be able to cover by myself with my limited income, so the land owner and I have worked out a 3 month trial lease to see if I will be able to sustain the costs of this. Its not something I will make a profit off ever, any money that comes in above the monthly costs will go into the museum to help growth. My plan to help with monthly costs includes a gift store that will sell meteorites and a low admission fee - other then that, Its on me to raise the cash. I have been provided some awesome NWA meteorites by one of the nicest people in the meteorite field to sell to help raise the money needed, they are available for sale at modest prices, contact me for more on these. Contributors will have a space for thanks and recognition at the museum as well as Richard Norton, who the museum is being named after, to honor him, his contributions to the field and for the wonderful books he left for all meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Cyanobacteria in meteorites?
Sterling. Thank you for correcting me. I see the mistake I made was quoting a lecture by Hoover listed on the SPIE website as a presentation at this conference. It was not as you point out, given at this conference. The page I mistakenly quoted can be found here: http://spie.org/x17397.xml My suggestion for those interested to contact him directly, instead of paying any attention to the panspermia or any other website, still holds. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 25% OFF - Eclectic assortment - Cutting/Polishing services, Meteorite Webmaster Report, and more!
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