[meteorite-list] AD: 2nd Appendix (1940) to Catalogue of Meteorites (1923)
Hi all, I have a copy of the 2nd Appendix (published in 1940) to the original global Catalogue of Meteorites (published in 1923) for sale. This copy originated from the British Museum mineral department and carries their stamp. The 1st edition catalogue was published in 1923 with a 1st appendix issued in 1927. Although there were other previous catalogues those only represented the meteorites present in the collection of the British Museum (now the NHM), this was the first global catalogue. It is a good clean copy, it has some fading to the front and rear covers and the spine, the front cover is also slightly detached, otherwise a very clean and tight copy. Please see link below if interested. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250714688777ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT) Cheers -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Slide Size
Hello, The thin-sections I have made in the US are all 27x46mm, and they seemed to work fine in the Electron Microprobe of the University of Arizona. I do know that thin-sections of this same size are also made for other instirutions. However I have seen larger and thicker thin-sections, but those had been made in Europe. I hope this helps. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/14/2010 11:49:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, metl...@plu.to writes: According to the Burnham Petrogaphics website that Richard provided the link to standard size (25x45mm, 27x46mm and 28x48mm): http://www.burnhampetrographics.com/petropoxy/ppp.php#slideboxes Matt. On 15/11/10 04:41, Ed Deckert wrote: Hi List! The talk about thin section storage boxes got me to thinking. Are there any Standard sizes for the glass slides that are used when making a thin section? Or is it typically the case that the thin section maker uses whatever he or she happens to have on hand? I have seen at least two different size slides used for thin sections, and that would seem to make it a little more challenging to find a one size fits all storage box. Inquiring minds want to know! Thanks, Ed Deckert __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Slide Size
Hi Matt, Ed all, While it is true that I, Anne Black, David New and everyone Else I know into meteorite Thin Sections have made 27 X 46 mm Thin sections, to say they are standard is not really accurate in Terms of thin sections across the board. Certainly this size is common, but other sizes are used in Various other arenas - IE some geological studies, some biological Studies, some medical studies, Oil Industry wtudies, etc. use a Variety of other sizes. While 27 X 46mm is one of the more common sizes, It is not, in fact, the standard size for thin sections in general But it is the standard size for meteorite thin sections. I have, However, seen meteorite thin sections of other sizes. The most Frustrating for me were round thin sections. Best wishes, Michael On 11/14/10 10:49 PM, Matt Smith metl...@plu.to wrote: According to the Burnham Petrogaphics website that Richard provided the link to standard size (25x45mm, 27x46mm and 28x48mm): http://www.burnhampetrographics.com/petropoxy/ppp.php#slideboxes Matt. On 15/11/10 04:41, Ed Deckert wrote: Hi List! The talk about thin section storage boxes got me to thinking. Are there any Standard sizes for the glass slides that are used when making a thin section? Or is it typically the case that the thin section maker uses whatever he or she happens to have on hand? I have seen at least two different size slides used for thin sections, and that would seem to make it a little more challenging to find a one size fits all storage box. Inquiring minds want to know! Thanks, Ed Deckert __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 15, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Slide Size
Hi Michael, Matt, Anne, and all, Thank you for your responses. I found Michael's reply especially interesting. I have not yet seen any round thin sections, but now I know more about the various uses for thin sections. Best Regards, Ed - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Matt Smith metl...@plu.to; Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Slide Size Hi Matt, Ed all, While it is true that I, Anne Black, David New and everyone Else I know into meteorite Thin Sections have made 27 X 46 mm Thin sections, to say they are standard is not really accurate in Terms of thin sections across the board. Certainly this size is common, but other sizes are used in Various other arenas - IE some geological studies, some biological Studies, some medical studies, Oil Industry wtudies, etc. use a Variety of other sizes. While 27 X 46mm is one of the more common sizes, It is not, in fact, the standard size for thin sections in general But it is the standard size for meteorite thin sections. I have, However, seen meteorite thin sections of other sizes. The most Frustrating for me were round thin sections. Best wishes, Michael On 11/14/10 10:49 PM, Matt Smith metl...@plu.to wrote: According to the Burnham Petrogaphics website that Richard provided the link to standard size (25x45mm, 27x46mm and 28x48mm): http://www.burnhampetrographics.com/petropoxy/ppp.php#slideboxes Matt. On 15/11/10 04:41, Ed Deckert wrote: Hi List! The talk about thin section storage boxes got me to thinking. Are there any Standard sizes for the glass slides that are used when making a thin section? Or is it typically the case that the thin section maker uses whatever he or she happens to have on hand? I have seen at least two different size slides used for thin sections, and that would seem to make it a little more challenging to find a one size fits all storage box. Inquiring minds want to know! Thanks, Ed Deckert __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] One Way Trip to Mars
Hello List, Any of our senior members care to apply? They prefer you be sixty. http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20101115/95c02991-3fba-4d8b-ab92-aa5eb3a8c31e Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 (and just pleased to have a number) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Dear List Members, Just a note to warn meteorite hunters not to be too complacent. The most feared creature here in the Southwest is the Mojave Green Rattlesnake and rightfully so considering its venom is 75 times more deadly than that of a Cobra. You got about 1/2 hour to get anti-venom and if you survive a bite from this fellow, you can count on around a $60,000.00 hospital bill. They come out in the fall and you are most likely to run into one in the morning warming itself in the sun. They hide in and around creosote bushes which are everywhere. I see people listening to I Pods or wearing metal detector headphones while searching for meteorites, oblivious to their surroundings. The only warning we got when we ran into this deadly snake was the shaking of its rattles. I have heard Western Diamondbacks before and their rattle is much louder than the Mojave Green. I had a lot more confidence searching with knee high Kevlar snake boots until we ran into this fellow. The snake we ran into was up in the bush waist high before it dropped to the ground and took up a strike posture. We nicked named this large and fat, 4 foot plus snake Mojave Green Jeans Luckily, I had an image stabilizer on my camera. I may have been shaking more than the snake. The closer I got to it, the quicker the rattle shook. At one point, it sounded like a constant whoosh instead of a rattle. I would back off to about 6 feet away from it and then it would go silent for a while so I don't think they give you much warning. Just two weeks ago, we ran into a snake we were unable to identify which struck out at my brother in laws magnetic cane. It was also hidden in a bush. It wasn't a rattler but had some pretty wild looking checker board pattern. Meet Mojave Green Jeans: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-a.jpg I Counted 11 Rattles, A Very Mature Snake: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-b.jpg Side View: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-c.jpg The Business End - Poised To Strike: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-d.jpg Be Careful! Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hi Adam, Good post. Everyone should carry a snake-bite kit when out hiking or prospecting in areas with venomous snakes. We have rattlesnakes down here in Florida and they congregate in areas of thick Palmetto bushes where they are impossible to see. When I was a kid and used to go hiking with my dad and grandpa, we always carried a snake bite kit - such a kit can buy you some time and spare you some misery until you get to a hospital. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/15/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List Members, Just a note to warn meteorite hunters not to be too complacent. The most feared creature here in the Southwest is the Mojave Green Rattlesnake and rightfully so considering its venom is 75 times more deadly than that of a Cobra. You got about 1/2 hour to get anti-venom and if you survive a bite from this fellow, you can count on around a $60,000.00 hospital bill. They come out in the fall and you are most likely to run into one in the morning warming itself in the sun. They hide in and around creosote bushes which are everywhere. I see people listening to I Pods or wearing metal detector headphones while searching for meteorites, oblivious to their surroundings. The only warning we got when we ran into this deadly snake was the shaking of its rattles. I have heard Western Diamondbacks before and their rattle is much louder than the Mojave Green. I had a lot more confidence searching with knee high Kevlar snake boots until we ran into this fellow. The snake we ran into was up in the bush waist high before it dropped to the ground and took up a strike posture. We nicked named this large and fat, 4 foot plus snake Mojave Green Jeans Luckily, I had an image stabilizer on my camera. I may have been shaking more than the snake. The closer I got to it, the quicker the rattle shook. At one point, it sounded like a constant whoosh instead of a rattle. I would back off to about 6 feet away from it and then it would go silent for a while so I don't think they give you much warning. Just two weeks ago, we ran into a snake we were unable to identify which struck out at my brother in laws magnetic cane. It was also hidden in a bush. It wasn't a rattler but had some pretty wild looking checker board pattern. Meet Mojave Green Jeans: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-a.jpg I Counted 11 Rattles, A Very Mature Snake: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-b.jpg Side View: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-c.jpg The Business End - Poised To Strike: http://themeteoritesite.com/AMojaveGreen-d.jpg Be Careful! Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Conference: Asteroids, Comets, Meteors 2011
http://chiron.mtk.nao.ac.jp/ACM2011/ Asteroids, Comets, Meteors 2011 17-22 July, 2011 Niigata, Japan The Asteroids, Comets, Meteors (ACM) meeting is the premier international gathering of scientists who study small bodies. The ACM series began in 1983 in Uppsala, Sweden, as a means of bringing together different groups within the asteroid, comet, and meteor communities who do not often have the opportunity to interact. From this first ACM meeting, a regular conference began. The conference now takes place every three years^* , and it is the pre-eminent meeting for small-bodies research, with attendance usually in excess of 400. The 2011 ACM meeting will be the 11th in the series and will be the first time in Asian Region. The scope of presentations and discussion is broad, including all topics related to asteroids, comets, and meteors. Examples include discovery and cataloguing of objects, observations of meteor showers by radar, modeling the gas production of comets, and plans for future asteroid sample returns. ACM 2011 is expected to bring together experts on small-bodies studies from around the world. It It will be the first meeting held after several significant and anticipated events, which include the return of Hayabusa mission and the expected result of Dawn, as well as many others, have come to pass. ACM 2011 will highlight the research currently being conducted, encourage discussion among researchers in various areas, and identify new avenues of research. * The past ACMs have been hosted by Uppsala (Sweden; 1983, 1985 and 1989), Flagstaff (USA; 1991), Belgirate (Italy; 1993), Versailles (France; 1996), Ithaca (USA; 1999), Berlin (Germany; 2002), B«âzios (Brazil; 2005), and Baltimore (USA; 2008). Topics [Tentative] * Near-Earth Object searches:Pan-STARRS and other newly founded surveys * Results of Hayabusa sample return analyses * Observations of latest Comets * Updates on Dawn, Rosetta, New Horizons, and planned missions to small bodies * Compositional studies of asteroids and comets * Small body populations: evolution and dynamics * Interdisciplinary studies: How do asteroids/comets/meteors interrelate? * Internal structure of small bodies, including presence/formation of satellites * Origin of the solar system, as deduced from small bodies studies * Small body impact hazards * Laboratory studies of small-body processes and constituents __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One Way Trip to Mars
Oneway to Mars? Why not, Guido. But, imagine: all the plain from your feet to the horizon covered with count(!)less stones, each onethousand $/gm. But (medium) onehundredfifty million miles away from the market: How to stand that without going mad? Sorrowfully, Matthias - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] One Way Trip to Mars Hello List, Any of our senior members care to apply? They prefer you be sixty. http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20101115/95c02991-3fba-4d8b-ab92-aa5eb3a8c31e Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 (and just pleased to have a number) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon or Mars meteorite dust
Does anyone have dust from moon or mars meteorite cutting available for purchase? Thanks, Qynne Arnold MrsMeteorHntr __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Swift (English) Petrographic (Polarizing) Microscope
I have an extra petrographic microscope available. It is a Swift of Basingstoke, England, Model S. In addition to the analyser (Brit spelling!) it has a Bertrand lens and built in variable lighting. The eyepiece is 10x and the objective lenses on the rotating turret are 3.5x, 9x, 20x and 40x. The rotating stage has a glass center so your round TS won't fall through. I would guess the age at 1970's and the condition is excellent. Looking for $325 plus shipping. Pictures on request. Chauncey Colorado COMETS __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hi List, What makes the venom of a Mohave Green so lethal is it's complex hemo/neuro cocktail of enzymes. It has a component that allows the venom to diffuse through human tissue quickly using the lymph and vascular systems. It takes away the ability of your red blood cells to carry oxygen while at the same time shutting down the sympathetic nervous system. Basically, you become paralyzed and suffocate to death while twitching, swelling and bleeding from almost every orfice and internally. The Mohave is rated as one of the ten deadliest snakes in the world and next to the nine foot Eastern Diamondback us the most dangerous snake in America. It is responsible for several deaths a season. Many of us here in the Mohave Desert have developed and follow this ten step protocol to treat a venemous snake bite. I am not a physician and you should avail yourself of professional assistance if bitten. I am only relating what I have seen and been told by others for your 1. Sit victim down. 2. Call 911 and note the time. 3.Send for vehicle, or arrange to carry victim to pick up point keeping bite site below heart. 3. Forcefully urinate in bite mark. (It's sterile and neutralizes some enzymes in the venom and washes it out of wound.) 4. Place suction cups from kit on fang holes, or cuts. 5.Draw two inch circle around fang marks with pen, or marker. 6. Don't squeeze on wound trying to get venom out. 7. Place lymph restriction band from kit on center of muscle of calf, or bicep, just tight enough to depress flesh 1/4 inch. 8. Place ice pack around limb above bite. 9. If available, have victim drink twice normal dosage of liquid antihystamine from an over the counter children's allergy medicine. 10.Photograph head and tail of snake, or bring it with you!!! Look where you put your feet and hands. Meteorite canes and staffs will protect you somewhat. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Nov 15, 2010 8:48 AM To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Hi Adam, Good post. Everyone should carry a snake-bite kit when out hiking or prospecting in areas with venomous snakes. We have rattlesnakes down here in Florida and they congregate in areas of thick Palmetto bushes where they are impossible to see. When I was a kid and used to go hiking with my dad and grandpa, we always carried a snake bite kit - such a kit can buy you some time and spare you some misery until you get to a hospital. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/15/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List Members, Just a note to warn meteorite hunters not to be too complacent. The most feared creature here in the Southwest is the Mojave Green Rattlesnake and rightfully so considering its venom is 75 times more deadly than that of a Cobra. You got about 1/2 hour to get anti-venom and if you survive a bite from this fellow, you can count on around a $60,000.00 hospital bill. They come out in the fall and you are most likely to run into one in the morning warming itself in the sun. They hide in and around creosote bushes which are everywhere. I see people listening to I Pods or wearing metal detector headphones while searching for meteorites, oblivious to their surroundings. The only warning we got when we ran into this deadly snake was the shaking of its rattles. I have heard Western Diamondbacks before and their rattle is much louder than the Mojave Green. I had a lot more confidence searching with knee high Kevlar snake boots until we ran into this fellow. The snake we ran into was up in the bush waist high before it dropped to the ground and took up a strike posture. We nicked named this large and fat, 4 foot plus snake Mojave Green Jeans Luckily, I had an image stabilizer on my camera. I may have been shaking more than the snake. The closer I got to it, the quicker the rattle shook. At one point, it sounded like a constant whoosh instead of a rattle. I would back off to about 6 feet away from it and then it would go silent for a while so I don't think they give you much warning. Just two weeks ago, we ran into a snake we were unable to identify which struck out at my brother in laws magnetic cane. It was also hidden in a bush.
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hey Guido, List, Not sure the ice thing would be a good idea. The DoD, suggests that ice is a cause of amputation in snake bites (see link below). Also the CDC and WebMD discourages the use of ice in the treatment of snakebite. ...Don't use ice to slow the spread of the venom. Researchers have found freezing of the stricken limb is a major factor leading to amputation... SOURCE: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45207 CDC: ...Do not apply ice or immerse the wound in water http://www.bt.cdc.gov/disasters/snakebite.asp WebMD: ...Do NOT use ice. Ice does not deactivate the venom and can cause frostbite... http://firstaid.webmd.com/snakebite-treatment Regards, Eric On 11/15/2010 11:54 AM, Count Deiro wrote: Place ice pack around limb above bite. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Let's talk HEDO meteorites (was double standards)
Hi Martin and List, In this case, I don't think in this case, any of the importers/dealers involved knew about each other or the possible pairings, until well after the classifications were done. Although I am not certain and I don't want to speak for them. This diogenite/eucrite material is very pretty, very hard, very glassy, and it takes a gorgeous polish. At first glance, it could visually resemble some lunars and it bears some minor aesthetic similarities to NWA 4664. When looking at the two different classifications for this material, it seems to have more in common with a diogenite, than eucrites. It visually resembles some diogenites already classified and on the market. But, I have never seen a eucrite remotely resembling this new material, and that's taking into account the lovely and strange Dho 007. Texturally, this meteorite is an odd duck in the eucrite flock, but fits in pretty well with diogenites. Maybe we should test it with a divining rod or fire it out of a cannon and see what type of contrail it makes - that should shed some light on it. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 11/14/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Mike, that concerns the polymict breccias among the HEDs, those wild regoliths, full of fragments and clasts of different types, so to say. Often these concrete-style ones. Hence not such ones like Millbillillie, Stannern, Tatahouine ect. There with these solified debris breccias you have a continuum. If such a HED-breccia has less than 10% diogenitic stuff, then by convention it's a polymict eucrite, If it has more than 10%, it will be classified as Howardite. Contains such a breccias more than 90% hypersthene or orthopyroxene than it's called a polymict diogenite. So it can happen, if you cut by chance off a corner from a polymict eucrite, with especially much DIO-stuff inside, and hand that in for classification, it can happen, that it will be classified as HOW. A classifier can work only on the material he gets in for classification. Therefore it can be helpful, if the person suspect the material to be paired with another one (or if he's sure and knows exactly that it's the very same material of an already existing number) to tell to the classifier his opinion. Best! martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. November 2010 22:00 An: Ted Bunch Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Let's talk HEDO meteorites (was double standards) Hi Folks, This post is not about - divining rods, missile contrails, aliens, or spam. :) I want to ask the experts about something regarding eucrites, diogenites and howardites. I know the fine line between eucrites and howardites is a little nebulous at times. For example, let's say I have a slice of howardite and a piece breaks off. That broken-off piece may either be a eucrite or a howardite, depending on the ratio of components. So, if I have a howardite, and I break off a portion that does not have any howardite components, then that piece could be classified on it's own as a eucrite. So I always expect a little overlap when it comes to the HE. members of the HEDO(D) group. When I encountered NWA 6288 and NWA 6386, I was perplexed. NWA 6386 comes from Gary Fujihara and it is classified as a diogenite. NWA 6288 comes from John Higgins and it was classified as a eucrite. Ray Pickard classified 6386 and Tony Irving classified 6288. What's the problem? They are the same meteorite. I sliced and polished samples of both meteorites from both dealers, and I can say with near-certainty they are from the same find. They are identical in texture, aesthetic, and how they respond to cutting and polishing. I know I am engaging in self-pairing here, but if someone wants to bet pink-slips with me on this question, I'll gladly take the bet. They are one and the same. But wait, it's gets more interesting! Enter NWA 6293 - a diogenite from Peter Marmet. It was also classified by Tony Irving. And it is also the same as NWA 6288 and 6386. Interestingly, Irving classified both 6293 and 6288 - one as diogenite and one as eucrite. So we have three samples from one find (in all likelihood) with two different classifications. As it was explained to me, the difference
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Not sure the ice thing would be a good idea. The DoD, suggests that ice is a cause of amputation in snake bites (see link below). Also the CDC and WebMD discourages the use of ice in the treatment of snakebite. I was in the Fire Service for 30 years and I'd swear that the treatment for snake bite varied almost yearly. Not sure what the current method is now, but doing something is better than doing nothing. For sure try to keep the victim calm, quiet and not physically active. I'd avoid the ice and put a light restricting band between the swelling and the heart. Don't suck with the mouth, but use a suction device. Don't cut across the fang marks and get to a doctors care ASAP. Those are probably the major things in regards to snake bite. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hi Eric and List. Yeah! There are many who officially say not to use ice, but they have to give advice to the lowest common denominator of possible victim. The slightly smarter of us know you can freeze your limb. The purpose of the cooling is to slow the circulation of blood, venom and lymph and reduce swelling..which with this snake is a major problem. Our guide line is don't cool it to the point where you can't feel the surface of the skin. It works...I've seen it used on bites and stings. Guido -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Nov 15, 2010 12:11 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Hey Guido, List, Not sure the ice thing would be a good idea. The DoD, suggests that ice is a cause of amputation in snake bites (see link below). Also the CDC and WebMD discourages the use of ice in the treatment of snakebite. ...Don't use ice to slow the spread of the venom. Researchers have found freezing of the stricken limb is a major factor leading to amputation... SOURCE: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45207 CDC: ...Do not apply ice or immerse the wound in water http://www.bt.cdc.gov/disasters/snakebite.asp WebMD: ...Do NOT use ice. Ice does not deactivate the venom and can cause frostbite... http://firstaid.webmd.com/snakebite-treatment Regards, Eric On 11/15/2010 11:54 AM, Count Deiro wrote: Place ice pack around limb above bite. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Another good point that people often don't think of is to remove jewelry on the affected limb. Rings especially. The swelling from a snakebite is unbelievable. A hand can get almost as big as a soccer ball. A ring left on will cost you that finger. Transport fast and call ahead if possible, it takes awhile to get antivenom ready. Thomas M -former Mojave area ER nurse __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Announces Comet Encounter News Conference
Nov. 15, 2010 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Jia-Rui Cook Jet Propulsion Laboratory 818-354-0850 jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov Lee Tune University of Maryland, College Park 301-405-4679 lt...@umd.edu MEDIA ADVISORY: M10-161 NASA ANNOUNCES COMET ENCOUNTER NEWS CONFERENCE WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news conference at 1 p.m. EST on Thursday, Nov. 18, to discuss new scientific findings from the recent EPOXI mission spacecraft encounter with comet Hartley 2. The news conference will originate from the NASA Headquarters auditorium at 300 E St. SW in Washington. It will be carried live on NASA Television. Media representatives may attend the conference, ask questions by phone or from participating NASA locations. To RSVP or obtain dial-in information, journalists must send their name, affiliation and telephone number to Steve Cole at stephen.e.c...@nasa.gov or call 202-358-0918 by 11 a.m. EST on Nov. 18. The news conference participants are: -- Michael A'Hearn, EPOXI principal investigator, University of Maryland -- Jessica Sunshine, EPOXI deputy principal investigator, University of Maryland -- Tim Larson, EPOXI project manager, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. -- Pete Schultz, EPOXI scientist, Brown University NASA's EPOXI spacecraft successfully flew past comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, providing scientists the most extensive observations of a comet in history. For NASA TV streaming video and downlink information, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/ntv For more information about NASA's EPOXI mission visit: http://www.nasa.gov/epoxi -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Odessa outlying craters
Hi all - Dennis Cox thinks that he has found some craters outlying Odessa: http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/ I don't know if they are simply sinkholes or what, but he does give precise geological co-ordinates if any of you iron enthusiasts living nearby want to take a look. good hunting, Ed __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meeting: The Importance of Solar System Sample Return Missions to the Future of Planetary Science
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/sssr2011/ The Importance of Solar System Sample Return Missions to the Future of Planetary Science Sponsored by NASA Mars Program Offic Lunar and Planetary Institute Conveners Catharine Conley, NASA Planetary Protection Meenakshi Wadhwa, CAPTEM Chair Clive Neal, University of Notre Dame David Beaty, NASA Mars Program Chief Scientist Deborah Bass, NASA Mars Program Office First Announcement - November 2010 Meeting Location and date The Importance of Solar System Sample Return Missions to the Future of Planetary Science will be held at The Woodlands Waterway Marriott Hotel and Convention Center http://www.thewoodlandsmarriott.com/, The Woodlands, Texas, on March 5-6, 2011, just prior to the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference. Purpose and Scope The workshop will focus on why sample return science is important to the future of solar system science and exploration, including the implications for NASA as it plans and implements future missions to a variety of solar system locations. Experienced planetary sample scientists will share their expertise and experience with early career planetary scientists, which include graduate students and researchers less than 10 years subsequent to receiving their Ph.D. Call for Abstracts Abstracts (one page) may be submitted for oral or poster presentation. Topics * What kinds of solar system science and exploration questions can be addressed using sample return? * The potential solar system targets of interest for sample return * Similarities and differences in sample-related issues for different targets of interest * The importance (or not) of sample selection and acquisition on these targets of interest * Mechanics of sample return (sampling devices - at the object, robotic handling devices - when back on Earth, environmental controls, etc.) * Storage, curation on the target of interest, during transit, and back on Earth * Planetary protection and implications for sample collection and handling, including constraints on containment and biohazard testing of samples that might contain life Abstract Deadline - Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:00 p.m. U.S. Central Standard Time (GMT-6) * No late abstracts will be accepted, regardless of the reason. * Abstracts sent by e-mail will *NOT* be considered. * Abstracts are limited to one page. * All abstracts must be submitted in PDF format. * All abstracts must be submitted in U.S. letter size format (8.5 x 11); A4 submissions will be rejected by the system. * Abstract file sizes must be no larger than 1.5 MB; larger files will be automatically rejected by the system. Registration Participants are encouraged to register early to benefit from the lower registration fee. There will be NO onsite registration, so participants must register by February 25. Through February 1, 2011February 2-25, 2011 Registration Fee$40.00 $65.00 For questions regarding logistics, contact: Katy Buckaloo Lunar and Planetary Institute Phone: 281-486-2106 E-mail: kbucka...@hou.usra.edu For questions regarding registration or abstracts, contact: Linda Tanner Lunar and Planetary Institute Phone: 281-486-2142 E-mail: ltan...@hou.usra.edu Schedule Abstract Deadline December 14, 2010 Travel Award Deadline December 15, 2010 Final Announcement with Program and Abstracts Available Online December 31, 2010 Early Registration Deadline February 1, 2011 Registration Closes February 25, 2011 The Importance of Solar System Sample Return Missions to the Future of Planetary Science March 5-6, 2011 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Varre-Sai Brazilian Meteorite Fall Report is now available
Hello list, I was about to publish this report on my website but Dirk was faster. http://www.meteorito.com.br/moutinho/meteoritos.php?action=viewpg=123ct=idT=2 In this link you can read the fall report, pictures, newspaper and all videos I have found about this fall. Hundreads of reports have been on the local site interview the main character of this history. A 62 years old man that was very near the final journey of this meteorite. In the link you can also see a picture of a 67g individual I am taking offers (off list please). Hope everybody enjoy the history of this very interesting Brazilian fall! Cheers Andre Moutinho Dear List, The Varre-Sai Brazilian Meteorite Fall Report is now available: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/meteormeteorite-news-15nov2010.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866
Does anyone have any more information on this Spanish fall. The Meteorite Catalogue has few details about the fall itself. Thanks, Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Good Meteorwrong - Shirokovsky
Hi List, I love a good meteorwrong, and I recently acquired a fantastic specimen of Shirokovsky. It is a 39g full slice with 3 translucent crystals. I tried to capture the translucent crystals in photos, but it proved difficult. I don't have a lightbox (yet), so I had to hold the specimen up to a bright lamp with one hand and hold the camera with the other. The result was shaky/blurry photos. But I did take a couple of decent shots of the slice here - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/shiro-1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/shiro-2.jpg Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Listoids, Besides meteorites we are also keepers and breeders of these nasty worms for almost 30 years now. Besides several Cobra species, Puffadders, Asian and African Bushvipers we also have some Rattlers as well. Never got bitten until about 3 months back. We had a nest of 7 babies, at least I thought sonumber 8 showed itself after removing the water bowl from their cage and got me right in one of my fingers. When you think of a baby ratler produces less venom your way wrong!! The thing is they still need to learn how to control the amount of venom needed when hunting for prey. The adults may even give a dry bite many times just to defend themselves and are more or less aware they need their venom better to catch prey. I got a bite from an adult Diamond Back a few years ago and nothing happened.. Believe me, when they stike and give you the full amountyou'll know!! Immediately when that baby got me, my finger started swelling up. The pain was unbaerable. When you feel the venom is pumped in your finger it feels like a very hot local electric shock. After a few hours my arm turned all colors of the rainbow and at the end my complete arm was swollen over 6 inches thicker than my other arm. I ended up at the ICU with tubes sticking out from every hole in my body, beeping monitors everywhere and needed 8 vails of antivenom with an even more dangerous risknot everybody reacts positive on these antivenoms and they even may get things worse. You even may suffer from an aflectic shock (an extra alergic reaction from the rattlers venom) which also can be deadly. Because all went pretty fast and I was in time for proper treatment I still have my arm (with my finger still numb though) Most of my smaller vains were eaten by the hematoxin which caused the black and blue colors, I stll have some kidney and liver failure but at least I'm still alive. The antivenom really worked well in my case and after that the recovery went really fast. Just an extra warning on all posts about this subjectbe carefull also for the babies!!! Theres an old saying going in our crazy hobby about rattlers: A rattlesnake is a nasty desert worm sayingf...ck off on one sideand that's why... on the other !! Take care on these desert hunts!! Jan, IMCA 9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Thomas tmor...@mind.net To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Another good point that people often don't think of is to remove jewelry on the affected limb. Rings especially. The swelling from a snakebite is unbelievable. A hand can get almost as big as a soccer ball. A ring left on will cost you that finger. Transport fast and call ahead if possible, it takes awhile to get antivenom ready. Thomas M -former Mojave area ER nurse __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3258 - Release Date: 11/15/10 08:34:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Website Updated
Hi List. Just a reminder that I have done my monthly updates to my website. This will be done each month. You can now check out the new A Flash from the past Photo of the Month and below that is the new The Blackhole Mystery Video of the Month as well as the full screen pictures on my slash pages \ / While your on the site relax in my Time Out game page as you browse in between the learning about meteorites and astronomy pages. http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders Co-Founder Sci Tech Paranormal Investigations IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hi Geo and List, I agree snake bite treatment has changed over the years. Rapid transportation along with antivenom is the antidote for a snakebite. I would always carry a cell phone, and a Spot locator / personal locator in the field. With these two items, a cell phone and personal locator you increase your chances of survival. Antivenom is the antidote for a snakebite! There are so many variables that it would be hard to say what is the ideal thing to do. Here is some of the current research for a venomous snake bite. Recommendations for the treatment of rattlesnake bites have been the subject of debate. Tourniquets may not be helpful in affecting overall outcome. Originally designed to obstruct lymph flow, the significance of lymph drainage to systemic morbidity and mortality has never been clearly es- tablished. In addition, tourniquets may be applied too tightly, leading to venous congestion and further damage to an already injured extremity. In general, incision and suction may not be considered Some authorities still recommend suction if a patient is more than an hour away from definitive care, but it must be begun within 5 minutes and is of abso- lutely no use if started more than 15 minutes after envenoma- tion. At best no more than 10% to 20% of the venom can be removed. In the past, applying ice had been recommended to cool the snakebite area locally or even an entire extremity. This is no longer recommended. Recently the American Association of Poison Control Centers and the American College of Emergency Physicians have recommended the following measures for first aid: (1) immobilize the bitten part, (2) remove constrictive items and rings, (3) put the victim at rest and (4)transport to the nearest medical facility. Venom ER When snakes strike! By Sean Bush, MD Imagine that a rattlesnake has just bitten you. At first you can't believe it, but you look at your leg and there are two fang puncture wounds oozing blood. You have a strange metallic taste in your mouth. Your leg starts to swell and you develop severe pain. Your whole body goes numb. The muscles in your face, neck, and chest start to twitch and writhe. Breathing becomes difficult. You feel as if you are going to faint--as if you are going to die? What should you do? Here is what you need to know. First, call 911. Go to the closest emergency department where antivenom can be given to you. Antivenom is the antidote for snakebite. It binds venom and inactivates it so that further damage is stopped. The case above describes what could happen in the worst case scenario. Sometimes snakebites result in only minor injury. However, it is not possible to predict which bites will result in mild symptoms and which can potentially kill you. Therefore, you should always seek immediate medical care after any venomous snakebite. All patients with rattlesnake bites should be admitted to the hospital.If a snake bites you Let's return to our scenario of what could happen to you after a rattlesnake bite. You should try not to panic and minimize activity if possible. However, if you are alone in the wilderness or far from access to medical care, you may have to hike out to the nearest phone.Remove jewelry and tight-fitting clothes in anticipation of severe swelling. Do not cut across fang marks and do not try to suck out the venom with your mouth or a suction device. This could lead to complications and infections. A tourniquet is not recommended because it could cut off circulation. However, an ace wrap and splint may delay the time to death in the rare event of a fatal bite, but could risk further injury to an arm or leg.Do not take aspirin or ibuprofen after snakebite. Many snake venoms can thin the blood and these medicines may compound this effect, leading to bleeding. Other first aid that does not help or that is potentially more harmful than the snakebite includes applying electric shock, drinking alcohol, and placing ice directly on the wound. Avoid further injury by staying away from the snake. Paramedics should arrive shortly and start you on intravenous fluids. They should transport you to the hospital. Shortly after you arrive at the hospital, antivenom may be started. You may start to feel better. However, depending on the extent of injury, you may require pain medication and a surgeon may be called to evaluate your bite wounds. Sonny -Original Message- From: GeoZay geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:20 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Not sure the ice thing would be a good idea. The DoD, suggests that ice is a cause of amputation in snake bites (see link below). Also the CDC and WebMD discourages the use of ice in the treatment of snakebite.I was in the Fire Service for 30 years and I'd swear that the treatment for snake bite varied almost yearly. Not
[meteorite-list] Serbia Macedonia Bolide Event Video now posted
Dear List: Link is: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/serbia-and-macedonia-major-bolide_16.html If anyone knows of others please email me offline. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What is Chladni's 'Catalogue' of Meteorites
Hi, If you would like to see the answer to the question about Chladni's meteorite catalogue, check the latest posting on my blog at: http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com You can also follow me on twitter as well at: http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts Thanks! Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Hi all, those are nasty for sure. Two years ago down at Franconia I ran into this little guy. I was for sure spooked, and counted 10 rattles, which doesn't mean a whole lot, other than it's a big snake. Needless to say, I felt that those meteorites could wait another few months until cooler weather. http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj224/JayrayNV/snake1jun08Franconia.jpg Jason On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jan Bartels wrote: Listoids, Besides meteorites we are also keepers and breeders of these nasty worms for almost 30 years now. Besides several Cobra species, Puffadders, Asian and African Bushvipers we also have some Rattlers as well. Never got bitten until about 3 months back. We had a nest of 7 babies, at least I thought sonumber 8 showed itself after removing the water bowl from their cage and got me right in one of my fingers. When you think of a baby ratler produces less venom your way wrong!! The thing is they still need to learn how to control the amount of venom needed when hunting for prey. The adults may even give a dry bite many times just to defend themselves and are more or less aware they need their venom better to catch prey. I got a bite from an adult Diamond Back a few years ago and nothing happened.. Believe me, when they stike and give you the full amountyou'll know!! Immediately when that baby got me, my finger started swelling up. The pain was unbaerable. When you feel the venom is pumped in your finger it feels like a very hot local electric shock. After a few hours my arm turned all colors of the rainbow and at the end my complete arm was swollen over 6 inches thicker than my other arm. I ended up at the ICU with tubes sticking out from every hole in my body, beeping monitors everywhere and needed 8 vails of antivenom with an even more dangerous risknot everybody reacts positive on these antivenoms and they even may get things worse. You even may suffer from an aflectic shock (an extra alergic reaction from the rattlers venom) which also can be deadly. Because all went pretty fast and I was in time for proper treatment I still have my arm (with my finger still numb though) Most of my smaller vains were eaten by the hematoxin which caused the black and blue colors, I stll have some kidney and liver failure but at least I'm still alive. The antivenom really worked well in my case and after that the recovery went really fast. Just an extra warning on all posts about this subjectbe carefull also for the babies!!! Theres an old saying going in our crazy hobby about rattlers: A rattlesnake is a nasty desert worm sayingf...ck off on one sideand that's why... on the other !! Take care on these desert hunts!! Jan, IMCA 9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Thomas tmor...@mind.net To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Another good point that people often don't think of is to remove jewelry on the affected limb. Rings especially. The swelling from a snakebite is unbelievable. A hand can get almost as big as a soccer ball. A ring left on will cost you that finger. Transport fast and call ahead if possible, it takes awhile to get antivenom ready. Thomas M -former Mojave area ER nurse __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3258 - Release Date: 11/15/10 08:34:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866
Hi Chris, I did a quick google book search and noted that there is a reference to the meteorite in Walter Flight's 'A chapter in the history of meteorites'. The full text is not available on line, but you can see what I am talking about by going to: http://books.google.com/books?id=9TkNIAAJq=%22Canvas+de+Onis%22+meteoritedq=%22Canvas+de+Onis%22+meteoritehl=enei=puHhTMqHLcL7lwfTx7iVAwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA In the search box, type in Canvas de Onis, and you will see the book contains one reference to the meteorite on page 147. Perhaps you can get this page from another metlist member, or if not, from a library. Hope this helps. Mark Mark Grossman Briarcliff Manor, NY - Original Message - From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866 Does anyone have any more information on this Spanish fall. The Meteorite Catalogue has few details about the fall itself. Thanks, Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake
Looks like your little guy has a full belly... ;) Eric On 11/15/2010 5:41 PM, Jay Annette wrote: Hi all, those are nasty for sure. Two years ago down at Franconia I ran into this little guy. I was for sure spooked, and counted 10 rattles, which doesn't mean a whole lot, other than it's a big snake. Needless to say, I felt that those meteorites could wait another few months until cooler weather. http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj224/JayrayNV/snake1jun08Franconia.jpg Jason On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jan Bartels wrote: Listoids, Besides meteorites we are also keepers and breeders of these nasty worms for almost 30 years now. Besides several Cobra species, Puffadders, Asian and African Bushvipers we also have some Rattlers as well. Never got bitten until about 3 months back. We had a nest of 7 babies, at least I thought sonumber 8 showed itself after removing the water bowl from their cage and got me right in one of my fingers. When you think of a baby ratler produces less venom your way wrong!! The thing is they still need to learn how to control the amount of venom needed when hunting for prey. The adults may even give a dry bite many times just to defend themselves and are more or less aware they need their venom better to catch prey. I got a bite from an adult Diamond Back a few years ago and nothing happened.. Believe me, when they stike and give you the full amountyou'll know!! Immediately when that baby got me, my finger started swelling up. The pain was unbaerable. When you feel the venom is pumped in your finger it feels like a very hot local electric shock. After a few hours my arm turned all colors of the rainbow and at the end my complete arm was swollen over 6 inches thicker than my other arm. I ended up at the ICU with tubes sticking out from every hole in my body, beeping monitors everywhere and needed 8 vails of antivenom with an even more dangerous risknot everybody reacts positive on these antivenoms and they even may get things worse. You even may suffer from an aflectic shock (an extra alergic reaction from the rattlers venom) which also can be deadly. Because all went pretty fast and I was in time for proper treatment I still have my arm (with my finger still numb though) Most of my smaller vains were eaten by the hematoxin which caused the black and blue colors, I stll have some kidney and liver failure but at least I'm still alive. The antivenom really worked well in my case and after that the recovery went really fast. Just an extra warning on all posts about this subjectbe carefull also for the babies!!! Theres an old saying going in our crazy hobby about rattlers: A rattlesnake is a nasty desert worm sayingf...ck off on one sideand that's why... on the other !! Take care on these desert hunts!! Jan, IMCA 9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Thomastmor...@mind.net To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake Another good point that people often don't think of is to remove jewelry on the affected limb. Rings especially. The swelling from a snakebite is unbelievable. A hand can get almost as big as a soccer ball. A ring left on will cost you that finger. Transport fast and call ahead if possible, it takes awhile to get antivenom ready. Thomas M -former Mojave area ER nurse __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3258 - Release Date: 11/15/10 08:34:00 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866
Oops! That should read Cangas de Onis - that's the reference in Walter Flight's book. Mark Mark Grossman Briarcliff Manor, NY - Original Message - From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866 Hi Chris, I did a quick google book search and noted that there is a reference to the meteorite in Walter Flight's 'A chapter in the history of meteorites'. The full text is not available on line, but you can see what I am talking about by going to: http://books.google.com/books?id=9TkNIAAJq=%22Canvas+de+Onis%22+meteoritedq=%22Canvas+de+Onis%22+meteoritehl=enei=puHhTMqHLcL7lwfTx7iVAwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA In the search box, type in Canvas de Onis, and you will see the book contains one reference to the meteorite on page 147. Perhaps you can get this page from another metlist member, or if not, from a library. Hope this helps. Mark Mark Grossman Briarcliff Manor, NY - Original Message - From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866 Does anyone have any more information on this Spanish fall. The Meteorite Catalogue has few details about the fall itself. Thanks, Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866
I did mean Cangas de Onis my thumbs are too big for the IPhone. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Terrestrial Age of Bonita Springs H5
Maybe among the cognoscenti of this bulletin board someone might know what I can't seem to locate through vigorous research. For a future feature in Meteorite magazine, it would help me to know the approximate terrestrial age of Bonita Springs H5 (Florida). While there is an interesting debate raging (maybe it's not exactly THAT interesting OR raging) about the parent body of H chondrites (see Dave Weir's website for the Reader's Digest version of the arguments) it's the terrestrial age of this specific met that stumps me. How long has Bonita Springs been cooling its chondrules on planet Earth? Kevin Kichinka www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Podcast on Impacts - Geol. Soc. London
Hi Follow the link for a podcast on Impacts. You'll also see links to other interesting meteorite-related topics. http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/podcast9 When German physicist Ernst Florens Chladni published a pamphlet in 1794 arguing that meteorites had their origins in outer space, the idea was received with widespread mockery by the scientific community. Now, meteorites are recognised as an important astronomical process. But it has taken geologists a long time to acknowledge their significance to the history of the Earth - particularly as uniformitarianism overtook catastrophism as the prevailing theory of geologic change. Sarah talks to the Natural History Museum's Kieren Howard about the significance of meteorites to Earth - not only their impact on Earth's surface, but the effect they have on people. And we discuss the most famous meteorite to strike Earth - the Chicxulub impact. Long held responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, the Chixculub impact has been the focus of debate amongst scientists almost from the moment of its discovery. Sarah talks to a group of scientists who have been involved in a project to lay the debate to rest, once and for all. Regards, Aubrey __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866
Its mentioned in Walter Flight's 'A chapter in the history of meteorites'. (in English) which you can see at http://www.meteoritehistory.info/FLIGHT/VIEWCC/CC147.HTM And also the article it references (In Spanish) at http://www.meteoritehistory.info/SEHNM/SPANISH/VIEWS/V03P069.HTM If anyone would be willing to do a translation for the list that would be great! Its some time since I have mentioned my Meteors and Meterorites historic archive on MeteoriteCentral http://www.meteoritehistory.info Originally published as three CDs and a DVD this website provides over 9,800 pages of information on the subject taken from old journals and books. Each page is presented as a photocopy of the original page. In the few places where the information is maintained more up to date elsewhere there are links, such as the UK and Ireland Meteroite page, and those to W. F. Denning. But essentially you have the content of the CDs, minus the magnify option on each page. If you find this web site useful please consider making a donation for the running costs, thank you. (just $5 or £2.50) pays for a month. Eric Hutton. - Original Message - From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Canvas de Onis Fall of 1866 Does anyone have any more information on this Spanish fall. The Meteorite Catalogue has few details about the fall itself. Thanks, Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
