[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2012-06-16 Thread valparint
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Sikhote Alin

Contributed by: Richard Montgomery

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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[meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Paul -

The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana intercontinentally, 
instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate collapse, i.l., nucelar 
winter.

Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic 
eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of volcanic eruption, we 
are left with impact.

PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large dogs, so 
small as to constitute a different species, using the old definition based on 
ability to interbreed.

EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread Richard Montgomery
HmmmI thought it was aerosol sprays, SUVs and Edison lightbulbs (all 
sales of the latter, btw, have been suspended.)




- Original Message - 
From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?



Hi Paul -

The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana 
intercontinentally, instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate 
collapse, i.l., nucelar winter.


Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic 
eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of volcanic 
eruption, we are left with impact.


PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large dogs, 
so small as to constitute a different species, using the old definition 
based on ability to interbreed.


EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread John Lutzon
I really hate to get into this one. However, Richard you always seem to get 
a good chuckle outta me.
And, let's not forget bovine flatulence.
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?


HmmmI thought it was aerosol sprays, SUVs and Edison lightbulbs (all
sales of the latter, btw, have been suspended.)



- Original Message - 
From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?


 Hi Paul -

 The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana
 intercontinentally, instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate
 collapse, i.l., nucelar winter.

 Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic
 eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of volcanic
 eruption, we are left with impact.

 PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large dogs,
 so small as to constitute a different species, using the old definition
 based on ability to interbreed.

 EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread Ed Deckert

John, Richard, and others,

You may want to take this into consideration as well:

http://www.gocomics.com/unstrange-phenomena/2012/06/14

Ed
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From: John Lutzon j...@lutzon.com
To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?



I really hate to get into this one. However, Richard you always seem to get
a good chuckle outta me.
And, let's not forget bovine flatulence.
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net

To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?


HmmmI thought it was aerosol sprays, SUVs and Edison lightbulbs (all
sales of the latter, btw, have been suspended.)



- Original Message - 
From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?



Hi Paul -

The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana
intercontinentally, instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate
collapse, i.l., nucelar winter.

Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic
eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of volcanic
eruption, we are left with impact.

PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large dogs,
so small as to constitute a different species, using the old definition
based on ability to interbreed.

EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread Michael Gilmer
Hi Gang,

I think a hammer-fall killed the mammoths..  ;)

Best regards,

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On 6/16/12, John Lutzon j...@lutzon.com wrote:
 I really hate to get into this one. However, Richard you always seem to get

 a good chuckle outta me.
 And, let's not forget bovine flatulence.
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
 To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com;
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?


 HmmmI thought it was aerosol sprays, SUVs and Edison lightbulbs (all
 sales of the latter, btw, have been suspended.)



 - Original Message -
 From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:38 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?


 Hi Paul -

 The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana
 intercontinentally, instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate
 collapse, i.l., nucelar winter.

 Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic
 eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of volcanic
 eruption, we are left with impact.

 PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large dogs,
 so small as to constitute a different species, using the old definition
 based on ability to interbreed.

 EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread Sterling K. Webb

EP, List,

Quote
It was assumed that Wrangell Island mammoths ranged
from 180-230 cm in shoulder height and were for a time
considered dwarf mammoths. However this classification
has been re-evaluated and since the Second International
Mammoth Conference in 1999, these mammoths are no
longer considered to be true dwarf mammoths
Unquote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant

Eight fee high at the shoulder is a little high for a dwarf
or for a large dog. I don't want to meet a Weimaraner
that's eight feet high, ya know?

So, instead of being the World's Tallest Midget, they've
decided it's the World's Smallest Giant. The California
Channel Island mammoths were 4-5 feet at the shoulder
and the Mediterranean Dwarf mammoths even smaller.



Sterling K. Webb
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?



Hi Paul -

The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana 
intercontinentally, instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global 
climate collapse, i.l., nucelar winter.


Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is 
volcanic eruption, the other impact. Since we have no evidence of 
volcanic eruption, we are left with impact.


PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the size of large 
dogs, so small as to constitute a different species, using the old 
definition based on ability to interbreed.


EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?

2012-06-16 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Sterling - 

As big as a dog, from the fossils that shown in the standard reference 
Mammoths Lister and Bahn, pg 35.

Height about 3-4 feet. 

Similar in size to dwarf elephant/mammoth from Crete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_dwarfism

(Also check out Ice Age Mammals of North America, Ian Lange and our friend 
Dorothy Norton, for species, diets, and ranges.) 

But I digress. The important part of this is their different food requirements: 
mammoth and mastodon about 300-350 kilos per day, dwarf forms an order of 
magnitude less.

For the intercontinental, instantaneous, simultaneous extintinctions of 
megafauna, see Mammoths, pages 124-125.  

EP

--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?
 To: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com, 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 1:23 PM
 EP, List,
 
 Quote
 It was assumed that Wrangell Island mammoths ranged
 from 180-230 cm in shoulder height and were for a time
 considered dwarf mammoths. However this classification
 has been re-evaluated and since the Second International
 Mammoth Conference in 1999, these mammoths are no
 longer considered to be true dwarf mammoths
 Unquote
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant
 
 Eight fee high at the shoulder is a little high for a
 dwarf
 or for a large dog. I don't want to meet a Weimaraner
 that's eight feet high, ya know?
 
 So, instead of being the World's Tallest Midget, they've
 decided it's the World's Smallest Giant. The California
 Channel Island mammoths were 4-5 feet at the shoulder
 and the Mediterranean Dwarf mammoths even smaller.
 
 
 
 Sterling K. Webb
 ---
 - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:38 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] What killed off the Mammoth?
 
 
  Hi Paul -
  
  The answer is the same thing that killed off many
 megafuana intercontinentally, instantaneously, and
 simlutaneously: global climate collapse, i.l., nucelar
 winter.
  
  Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of
 which is volcanic eruption, the other impact. Since we have
 no evidence of volcanic eruption, we are left with impact.
  
  PS- Sterling, Wrangle Island mammoth were already the
 size of large dogs, so small as to constitute a different
 species, using the old definition based on ability to
 interbreed.
  
  EP
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)

2012-06-16 Thread Michael Farmer
How do you come up with this? I was at the New Orleans house 40 hours after t 
fell. While it was not seen to hit the house, the homeowner had gone to work at 
7 am and returned home at 5 pm finding his house full of rocks and destruction. 
The neighbors reported huge crashing noise like a car accident at ~4  pm I 
think, and several airline pilots reported a fireball. 
I am pretty sure that the fact that the meteorite went through 3 floors that 
day  
That the noncom had enough evidence to know that the New Orleans meteorite  
fell on that date between the hours of 7 am and 5 pm.

How can you guys take the simplest thing like fall and find and yap about it 
for days?

Perhaps some people need to try knitting for a hobby, seems less controversial.
Michael Farmer 

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On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John and List,
 
 Good question.  Let me attempt to answer.  If I fail, perhaps Capt.
 Blood will chime in or another hammerhead will jump to the rescue.
 
 All hammers are falls, because if a hammer falls and nobody is around
 to notice it, it will never be discoveredand is therefore not a
 hammer or a fall.
 
 Let me put it this way - New Orleans is a recent example of an
 unwitnessed hammer that is considered a fall.  When the New Orleans
 meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor
 destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home.  The owners were out
 and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later.  In this
 particular case, nobody directly witnessed the fall or the damage
 being done.  If I recall correctly, there were no indirect witnesses
 as well - no radar track, no fireball video, no other witnesses on the
 ground.  The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness
 of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the
 obvious damage caused by this material.
 
 Met Bull states that the New Orleans meteorite is a fall, so it is
 therefore a observed fall or witnessed fall in officially-approved
 nomenclature and accepted use amongst the majority of collectors and
 dealers.  Additionally, some hammerheads may refer to it as a hammer
 fall.  Also of note, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore
 the New Orleans meteorite is a hammer stone because it struck a
 house and manmade objects.
 
 Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone
 unnoticed and unreported.  The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is
 desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane
 Katrina.  Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and
 falling into disrepair.  There are squatters, homeless persons, gang
 elements, and other transients that reside in the area.  The same is
 true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees.  If the stone
 had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is
 likely to lay undiscovered and be carted off to the landfill when the
 city finally bulldozes the property.  In such a case, the fall and
 damage were never noticed, it is never reported, no material is ever
 recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named.
 
 Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite
 as a fall has changed to some degree over the years.  Or could say,
 the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than
 others.  There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness
 reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens
 on the ground.  Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date
 range (summer of 18xx, etc).  Some finds could be regarded as falls
 and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or
 find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected.
 
 So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a
 hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a
 hammer fall or witnessed fall or observed fall or just a fall
 - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or
 just casually.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond
 recognition.  To continue this discussion line any further will
 require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible
 flogging.
 
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 On 6/14/12, John Hendry p...@pict.co.uk wrote:
 Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole
 
 in the roof, but nobody saw it fall.
 
 John
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ontario Meteor over 200 reports

2012-06-16 Thread MstrEman
--move along here-- nothing to see-- move along.
(Whispering to Jonathan)
S...Sh...Hush!  Your type of scientific reasoning is heresy
on related lists composed of Esteemed Inquisitors and Elf Ostriches
who look at the sky by night and stick their head in the sand by day.

The mandated wisdom in Oz is that it is impossible to have a debris
stream associated with NEOs --and with their head in places where the
sun never shines-- they can truthfully state that they have never
seen a connection, so no bother to look  into it.   Their
admonition is do not look at the Little Elf behind the curtain and
speak no more of green fireballs in the land of Oz.

It is an inside joke Jonathan.  The point is that we will never know
unless we make inquiry.  There are a lot of self-styled experts that
say it is impossible for NEOs to have stragglers.

Elton
.

On 6/15/12, Jonathan E. Dongell jdong...@cox.net wrote:
 Dear List,
 Just curious...
 This meteor fireball passed at approx  22:00 hrs on 6/14/12.
 There was also a near-earth astroid 2012LZ1 (nearly a city block wide)
 that was supposed to pass by at approx 23:00 hrs on 6/14/12.
 Could this have been a co-traveler (stragler) with the 2012LZ1 main mass?
 Any relation? Anybody know?
 Jonathan


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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:31 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ontario Meteor over 200 reports


 Dear List,  This event was seen by hundreds.

 Breaking News -MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball 14JUN2012
 Breaking Meteor News - MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball ~21:54

 14JUN2012

 http://thelatestworldwidemeteorreports.blogspot.com/

 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/bondoc-rare-mesosiderite-b4-nininger-recovery-asu-provenance-578g

Gao Guenie endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/gao-guenie-509

Tissint Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/mars-rock-retro-art-martian-meteorite-display-nwa-2975

Chicxulub Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/chicxulub-tektite-display-rare-dinosaur-extinction-relic

Vaca Muerta endcut with nodule -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/vaca-muerta-mesosiderite-403

Dhofar 081 Lunar Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/moon-rock-exclusive-retro-lunar-meteorite-display-dhofar-1084-1

NWA 4884 Lunar Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/moon-rock-lunar-meteorite-display-4884

NWA 6953 (mesosiderite) Dealer Lot -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-fossil-mesosiderite-dealer-lot

NWA 6953 polished endcut -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-fossil-mesosiderite-429g-endcut

Trinity Test Site Map -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/trinity-test-site-map--historic-atom-bomb-test-government-map

Trinitite Sample with Test Site Map -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/trinitite-frag-and-map

Albert Einstein Meteorite Stamp Sheet -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/albert-einstein-meteorite-stamps-sheet--congo

Meteorites of the USA Map -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorites-of-the-united-states-artwork-map-large-prints-canvas-suitable-for-framing

1973 Journal of Meteoritics (Lot of 4) -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteoritics-journal--complete-1973-year--four-volumes

Meteorite Books and MAPS Journals -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/meteorite-library

Collection of 28 Meteorite Micromounts -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-collection-28-different-labelled-specimens-in-a-display

Collection of 56 Meteorite Micromounts -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/advanced-meteorite-collection-over-different-specimens-in-display-cases

Collection of 77 Meteorite Micromounts -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/advanced-meteorite-collection-over-80-different-specimens-in-display-cases

Meteorwrongs and Lunar Analogs -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/meteorwrongs

Large Selection of Fossil Amber -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/copal-amber

Rock Pushing and Sampling Under Rocks on Mars (scientific report
book, NASA) - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/rock-pushing-and-sampling-under-rocks-on-mars--scientific-report-book

Shaded Relief Map of Mars -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nasa-map--shaded-relief-map-of-mars

NASA Apollo Memorabilia on Clearance -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/clearance-sale

Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] Brazilian meteorites for sale (some rare)

2012-06-16 Thread André Moutinho
Hello

Have available:
Campinorte (shale) 7.1g  $30/g (first time available gor sale)
Itutinga slices 2.031g, 1.731   $90/g
Sao Joao Nepomuceo 18g slice $75/g  (similar to Steinbach)
Santa Vitoria do Palmar 600g (FULL SLICE from the Main Mass) $6/g

Pictures on request.

Also I have the following meteorites listed on ebay:

Nova Petropolis (rare)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330745017894?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITamp;_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

Patos de Minas

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330745168780?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITamp;_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

Bendego (shale)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330745017144?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITamp;_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330745017143?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITamp;_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 

Thanks,
Andre Moutinho
IMCA 2731







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[meteorite-list] Interactive Lego Meteorite-Themed Father's Day Card

2012-06-16 Thread Mendy Ouzillou
My 11 year old son, Jacob, came up with this really awesome, interactive
Lego, meteorite-themed early Father's Day card.  It is really quite fun ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHRMMjjXNHE

He saved up his allowance to give me towards my microscope purchase. 

Mendy 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Verish Birthday Party Photos

2012-06-16 Thread Michael Blood
Hi All
Today Angel and I made the trip up north about 35 miles to Escondido
to attend a joint birthday party for Bob and Moni Verish, who were born
within a week of one another(+/- 7 years). To our surprise and delight the
party was also attended by 3 other members of the Southern California
Meteorite  Tektite Club: Paul and Janice Harris (of Meteorite Exchange) and
the noted meteorite hunter, Richard Garcia (no relation to Ruben Garcia).
Great stories of Sutter's Mill (Moni found a 17g+ specimen there) and Ruben
brought his outstanding Holbrook find. Also on display were some other
impressive specimens, including what was labeled as the main mass of Gold
Basin, and a splendid thing it is, too.
Thought you all might enjoy some of the photos:
Best wishes, Michael

Click on any Photo to ENLARGE


http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/VerishBDParty2012.html


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