[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory projection
Hi, So well done, Svend. Bravo! Congratulations to you and your contributors. Hoping most is well with you. Warmly / Darryl On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Meteorite-Recon.com wrote: Dear All, A first version of the Chelyabinsk strewnfield map is now completed: http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteorite_Chelyabinsk_6.html At the bottom of the page, we provide a download link to a large-size version. The trajectory projection and wind models are based on the excellent work of Karl Wimmer. Find coordinates were submitted from field researchers and private enthusiasts, mainly from Russia. Additional information can be found in the accompanying text. Please note that we encourage a non-commercial distribution of the strewnfield map only. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. Cheers Svend www.meteorite-recon.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-from-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Did you know that there are sometimes bears on Mars?
Hello List, Just for fun! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410106929102761set=a.279113262202129.62926.145195928927197type=1theater More pictures and videos of meteorites, hunting stories... follow me on Facebook and like my fan page! Weekly update with never seen pictures in the field, coupon code... Enjoy! Luc Luc Labenne Labenne Meteorites Meteorites for Science, Education Collectors http://www.meteorites.tv Member of the Meteoritical Society, a non-profit international organization dedicated to research and education on meteorites and other extraterrestrial materials https://www.facebook.com/meteorites.tv http://www.youtube.com/meteoritestv http://www.twitter.com/meteoritestv Member of the Meteoritical Society, a non-profit international organization dedicated to research and education on meteorites and other extraterrestrial materials Consider the environment before printing this mail. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Cool. Its a standard textbook like slag. Here in germany at some locations are thousands of such pieces in all sizes and colors from brown to green in all intensitys (until almost pure blackness, often bluish due microinclusions). How stupid must someone be to put such a thing into the news as space rock? Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: 17.06.2013 06:39 Betreff: [meteorite-list] What is this? Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-f rom-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim last news (June 17)
Hello List, Acknowledging a few requests, please find the list of meteorite dealers so far registered for Ensisheim-2013 meteorite fair and a few other scattered info (updated June 17, 2013). Main dealers and their table assistants (between brackets): Anne Black (Dorothy Norton, John Kashuba, Roger Warin) Fabien Kuntz (Marie Gerbet, Pierre-Marie Pelé) Uwe Eger (Ewa Eger) Philippe Thomas (Léa Dejouy, Seth Thomas, Laurent Jaworski) Lukasz Smula (Magdalena Skirzewska, Roman Bubel) Marcin Cimala (Kazimierz Mazurek) Luc Labenne Hans Koser Gregor Pacer Siegfried Haberer (Karin Schneider) Thomas Dehner André Knöfel (David Goettlich) Stefan Ralew Ali Hmani (Mohamed Hmani) Moritz Karl/Michael Farmer/Greg Hupé (Karin Karl, Achim Karl, Kim Kutzera) Keith Cobby Celine Singer/Andreas Ott/Thomas Schürmann Sidi Mohamed Ismaily Hanno Strufe Peter Marmet/Marc Jost (Roger Perrinjaquet) Sergey Vasiliev (Lana Vasiliev) Serge Afanasiev/Dima Sadilenko (Katya Aksenova, Anatoly Razumovsky, Sergey Patukhov) Andrey Barakshin (Ignaz Barakshin) Slava Skorinakov (Stepan Balabaev) Giorgio Tomelleri (Lina Tomelleri) Michail Ivanov Ahmed Pani Evgenij Suhanov (Viktor Aleksejev, Boris Aleksejev, Denis Lukin) M. Becker Viacheslav Kalachev (Natalia Tuzlukova) Yury Pustov Aleksey Vinogradov Consignment room: samples for sale from: Rame Vataj, Harald Stehlik, Benoît Jacques, Michel Acacia, Sigrid Wengert, Oscar Turone, Philippe Schmitt-Kopplin, Zelimir Gabelica. Total number of dealers (including assistants, consignment dealers and book shop): 75 Countries represented: Germany: 18, Russia: 15, France : 9, Poland : 6, USA : 6, Latvia: 4, Belgium: 3, Morocco: 3, Switzerland: 3, Italy: 2, Argentina: 1, Austria: 1, Egypt: 1, Lithuania: 1, Kosovo: 1, Uruguay: 1 Note: some of these figures/numbers are subject to last minute change. Dealer tables: still 3 tables to rent New enthroned Ensisheim Meteorite Guardians (alphabetical order): * Vinciane Debaille (B) * Dorothy Norton (USA) * Marc Jost (CH) * Serge Walter (F) Friday dinner party: between 65 and 75 participants Weather forecast in Ensisheim (June 17-23): From Monday to Wednesday: 30 to 37°C, warm, severe thunderstorms expected on Tuesday/Wednesday Thursday: 24°C, sunny, scattered thunderstorms Friday: 24°C, rare residual rain, mostly sunny Saturday-Sunday (show days): 21-24°C, sunny to partly cloudy Monday-Friday June 24-27 (Ste Marie show not very accurate forecast): average 18-21°, partly cloudy, rare rain. I stay tuned for comments or any other info requests. A warm welcome and my best wishes to all! Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim last news (June 17)
See you all there in a few days. Any last minute requests for material now is the time. I am packing now and leaving in 24 hours. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:20 AM, Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr wrote: Hello List, Acknowledging a few requests, please find the list of meteorite dealers so far registered for “Ensisheim-2013 meteorite fair” and a few other scattered info (updated June 17, 2013). Main dealers and their table “assistants” (between brackets): Anne Black (Dorothy Norton, John Kashuba, Roger Warin) Fabien Kuntz (Marie Gerbet, Pierre-Marie Pelé) Uwe Eger (Ewa Eger) Philippe Thomas (Léa Dejouy, Seth Thomas, Laurent Jaworski) Lukasz Smula (Magdalena Skirzewska, Roman Bubel) Marcin Cimala (Kazimierz Mazurek) Luc Labenne Hans Koser Gregor Pacer Siegfried Haberer (Karin Schneider) Thomas Dehner André Knöfel (David Goettlich) Stefan Ralew Ali Hmani (Mohamed Hmani) Moritz Karl/Michael Farmer/Greg Hupé (Karin Karl, Achim Karl, Kim Kutzera) Keith Cobby Celine Singer/Andreas Ott/Thomas Schürmann Sidi Mohamed Ismaily Hanno Strufe Peter Marmet/Marc Jost (Roger Perrinjaquet) Sergey Vasiliev (Lana Vasiliev) Serge Afanasiev/Dima Sadilenko (Katya Aksenova, Anatoly Razumovsky, Sergey Patukhov) Andrey Barakshin (Ignaz Barakshin) Slava Skorinakov (Stepan Balabaev) Giorgio Tomelleri (Lina Tomelleri) Michail Ivanov Ahmed Pani Evgenij Suhanov (Viktor Aleksejev, Boris Aleksejev, Denis Lukin) M. Becker Viacheslav Kalachev (Natalia Tuzlukova) Yury Pustov Aleksey Vinogradov Consignment room: samples for sale from: Rame Vataj, Harald Stehlik, Benoît Jacques, Michel Acacia, Sigrid Wengert, Oscar Turone, Philippe Schmitt-Kopplin, Zelimir Gabelica. Total number of dealers (including assistants, consignment dealers and book shop): 75 Countries represented: Germany: 18, Russia: 15, France : 9, Poland : 6, USA : 6, Latvia: 4, Belgium: 3, Morocco: 3, Switzerland: 3, Italy: 2, Argentina: 1, Austria: 1, Egypt: 1, Lithuania: 1, Kosovo: 1, Uruguay: 1 Note: some of these figures/numbers are subject to last minute change. Dealer tables: still 3 tables to rent New enthroned Ensisheim Meteorite Guardians (alphabetical order): * Vinciane Debaille (B) * Dorothy Norton (USA) * Marc Jost (CH) * Serge Walter (F) Friday dinner party: between 65 and 75 participants Weather forecast in Ensisheim (June 17-23): From Monday to Wednesday: 30 to 37°C, warm, severe thunderstorms expected on Tuesday/Wednesday Thursday: 24°C, sunny, scattered thunderstorms Friday: 24°C, rare residual rain, mostly sunny Saturday-Sunday (show days): 21-24°C, sunny to partly cloudy Monday-Friday June 24-27 (Ste Marie show – not very accurate forecast): average 18-21°, partly cloudy, rare rain. I stay tuned for comments or any other info requests. A warm welcome and my best wishes to all! Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory projection
Thanks to everyone for your kind feedback. Perhaps the most surprising result was that the combined weight of the 233 finds submitted (recorded from mid-February to mid-June) was just 52.9 kg (52 find locations were submitted without data on the respective masses). Cheers Svend Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com hat am 17. Juni 2013 um 09:30 geschrieben: Hi, So well done, Svend. Bravo! Congratulations to you and your contributors. Hoping most is well with you. Warmly / Darryl On Jun 16, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Meteorite-Recon.com wrote: Dear All, A first version of the Chelyabinsk strewnfield map is now completed: http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteorite_Chelyabinsk_6.html At the bottom of the page, we provide a download link to a large-size version. The trajectory projection and wind models are based on the excellent work of Karl Wimmer. Find coordinates were submitted from field researchers and private enthusiasts, mainly from Russia. Additional information can be found in the accompanying text. Please note that we encourage a non-commercial distribution of the strewnfield map only. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. Cheers Svend www.meteorite-recon.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
I doubt any rocks were aboard the Mir space station:) So regardless of where it came down the whole story is idiotic. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-from-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Right. I wonder who the NASA scientist is, about whom the owner of the stone talked or whether he exists or not. Seems to be some kind of new trend to let someone from the NASA verify unknown things. Maybe i should bring my old coins from flea market to one of the cooks from a NASA cantine to let him verify that these are from a antique romanian space capsule and thus worth alot. Then i tell i have verified it at NASA and they will sell well. Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com An: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Datum: 17.06.2013 14:57 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this? I doubt any rocks were aboard the Mir space station:) So regardless of where it came down the whole story is idiotic. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-f rom-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
I've been getting photos from Iran of all kinds of crap, nothing even close to meteorite, and he keeps saying NASA is buying them all but I can counter offer:) Somehow I doubt anyone at NASA has seen these things. It is just the new name-dropping to try and sell. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:07 AM, plagiok...@arcor.de wrote: Right. I wonder who the NASA scientist is, about whom the owner of the stone talked or whether he exists or not. Seems to be some kind of new trend to let someone from the NASA verify unknown things. Maybe i should bring my old coins from flea market to one of the cooks from a NASA cantine to let him verify that these are from a antique romanian space capsule and thus worth alot. Then i tell i have verified it at NASA and they will sell well. Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com An: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Datum: 17.06.2013 14:57 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this? I doubt any rocks were aboard the Mir space station:) So regardless of where it came down the whole story is idiotic. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-f rom-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Sales of all space-station rock slags are hereby suspended until further notice -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, plagiok...@arcor.de plagiok...@arcor.de wrote: Right. I wonder who the NASA scientist is, about whom the owner of the stone talked or whether he exists or not. Seems to be some kind of new trend to let someone from the NASA verify unknown things. Maybe i should bring my old coins from flea market to one of the cooks from a NASA cantine to let him verify that these are from a antique romanian space capsule and thus worth alot. Then i tell i have verified it at NASA and they will sell well. Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com An: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Datum: 17.06.2013 14:57 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this? I doubt any rocks were aboard the Mir space station:) So regardless of where it came down the whole story is idiotic. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-f rom-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
In fact, for this to be part of the MIR Space Station, it would have taken a MIR-acle... Ed ;-) - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What is this? I doubt any rocks were aboard the Mir space station:) So regardless of where it came down the whole story is idiotic. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Not buying it, at least not at face value. Quite literally doesn't add up. It would have to survive at least another five orbits after Mir broke up. And it would have been a very light piece. That's five orbits AFTER its OBSERVED reentry! My simulation puts it within a few kilometers altitude of the US Army's tracking on Kwajalein Atoll, so I figure I can't be too far off, this is what the final track + 4 more orbits would have looked like. Even in that last orbit, it would have to be pretty perturbed to make it there! My atmospheric interface is based on archived data, but out there, the data isn't fantastic -- hence the probable reason I'm at 128km vs the actual 120km significant interface, and why I'm at 93km when the US Army's observation is at 90km. If you told me it was found in Fiji, Australia, New Zealand - I'd probably take a closer look at it. East Coast of the US? Psh. No. Here's my reentry model + 4 orbits http://spaceballoon.org/mir-reentry.png --- Jodie Sunday, June 16, 2013, 9:39:41 PM, you wrote: Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a piece of an old Mir space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-from-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory projection
Great work, Svend! The insights provided into wind-shift influence on strewn field distribution are remarkable. A real boon to meteorite strewn field research. Congratulations, and thank you for making the results of your excellent work freely available to all. :-) Cheers, Doug Ross __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
I told that this is slag, so you cannot say no one here recognized this slag as such. Yes, this kind of slag is very common (i said it already), but as every kind of slag, it does not occur everywhere. I found rich occurrences of this glassy kind im my old hometown, but in my new hometown i found during my live just one piece of this glassy kind (and many pieces of other mostly completely crystalline kinds). Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com An: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: 17.06.2013 11:11 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
The media should think before they speak...Oh wait, sorry forgot it is the media. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:08 AM, plagiok...@arcor.de wrote: I told that this is slag, so you cannot say no one here recognized this slag as such. Yes, this kind of slag is very common (i said it already), but as every kind of slag, it does not occur everywhere. I found rich occurrences of this glassy kind im my old hometown, but in my new hometown i found during my live just one piece of this glassy kind (and many pieces of other mostly completely crystalline kinds). Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com An: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: 17.06.2013 11:11 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
Elton, Mea Culpa. I have not seen enough slag that I was able to recognize it on sight from the few flashes they showed on the video. However, the ones that responded, including myself, knew immediately that this was not an object that had ever been in space. Oftentimes on Facebook, people will ask, if it is not a meteorite, then what is it? The short answer is that one can dismiss a specimen (with high certainty) as a meteor-wrong from a picture. However, identifying the type of terrestrial material can be much more difficult. After, reading your explanation below, I feel better educated as to what to look for. We are all sensitized to different things and expert in different areas. Your experience in handling slag and viewing images of it would be an ideal example to go into Jared Diamond's book, Blink. Best, Mendy Ouzillou From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
Resending: Elton, Mea Culpa. I have not seen enough slag that I was able to recognize it on sight from the few flashes they showed on the video. However, the ones that responded, including myself, knew immediately that this was not an object that had ever been in space. Oftentimes on Facebook, people will ask, if it is not a meteorite, then what is it? The short answer is that one can dismiss a specimen (with high certainty) as a meteor-wrong from a picture. However, identifying the type of terrestrial material can be much more difficult. After, reading your explanation below, I feel better educated as to what to look for. We are all sensitized to different things and expert in different areas. Your experience in handling slag and viewing images of it would be an ideal example to go into Jared Diamond's book, Blink. Best, Mendy Ouzillou From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com To: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com; metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? Elton, Mea Culpa. I have not seen enough slag that I was able to recognize it on sight from the few flashes they showed on the video. However, the ones that responded, including myself, knew immediately that this was not an object that had ever been in space. Oftentimes on Facebook, people will ask, if it is not a meteorite, then what is it? The short answer is that one can dismiss a specimen (with high certainty) as a meteor-wrong from a picture. However, identifying the type of terrestrial material can be much more difficult. After, reading your explanation below, I feel better educated as to what to look for. We are all sensitized to different things and expert in different areas. Your experience in handling slag and viewing images of it would be an ideal example to go into Jared Diamond's book, Blink. Best, Mendy Ouzillou From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy,
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
My standard answer to the question.if it is not a meteorite, then what is it is I don't know what it is, but I know what it is NOT Jim Strope 421 4th Street Glen Dale, WV. 26038 Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: Elton, Mea Culpa. I have not seen enough slag that I was able to recognize it on sight from the few flashes they showed on the video. However, the ones that responded, including myself, knew immediately that this was not an object that had ever been in space. Oftentimes on Facebook, people will ask, if it is not a meteorite, then what is it? The short answer is that one can dismiss a specimen (with high certainty) as a meteor-wrong from a picture. However, identifying the type of terrestrial material can be much more difficult. After, reading your explanation below, I feel better educated as to what to look for. We are all sensitized to different things and expert in different areas. Your experience in handling slag and viewing images of it would be an ideal example to go into Jared Diamond's book, Blink. Best, Mendy Ouzillou From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
Elton, As always you make some very good points. I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come from? Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry? And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or Korotev said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon holing material because it looks like slag. I know this is a stretch but, Some meteorites do look like slag. Look close at a hand specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca Muerta . Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
This slag was never in space or MIR. Its common slag, which has been placed togfether with many tons of other pieces on the shore of the river to ensure its stability. As Michael Farmer told, the Stone never saw anyone from the NASA. People tell many storys to let their own opinions sound stronger. The probability that a meteorite looks like this is zero. Most slags have common optical features (mostly certain crystals or materials (glass, metals in form of drops), flow patterns and flowed looking surfaces, certain colors and especially the bubbles). These slags cannot be confused even when one identifies em on a bad quality photo. Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: cdtuc...@cox.net An: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com, metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: 17.06.2013 20:13 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? Elton, As always you make some very good points. I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come from? Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry? And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or Korotev said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon holing material because it looks like slag. I know this is a stretch but, Some meteorites do look like slag. Look close at a hand specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca Muerta . Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section. Regards, Elton __
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Opportunity Update - June 7-15, 2013
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Recovery from Another Flash-Related Reset - sols 3331-3339, Jun. 07, 2013-Jun. 15, 2013: On sols 3332 and (June and June 9, 2013) , Opportunity performed a 'touch 'n go' two-sol plan, using the robotic arm on the first sol to take Microscopic Imager (MI) images and position the Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer (APXS) for an overnight integration, followed by a drive on the second sol. The rover drove on sols and 3335 (June 9 and June 11, 2013), totaling over 216 feet (over 65 meters). Opportunity experienced a warm reset on Sol 3336 (June 12, 2013) due to the type of flash-memory issue also experienced on Sol 3235 (Feb. 28, 2013). The rover put itself into precautionary automode in response to the reset. On Sol 3339 (June 15, 2013), Opportunity was restored to sequence control -- carrying out commands sent from the operations team -- and drove 246 feet (75 meters). The rover is in good health. As of Sol 3336 (June 12, 2013), the solar array energy production was 517 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.829 and a solar array dust factor of 0.645. Total odometry as of Sol 3339 (June 15, 2013) is 22.83 miles (36.75 kilometers). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
The life of THIS slag is that it will, apparently, live forever on this list! Michael On 6/17/13 1:02 PM, plagiok...@arcor.de plagiok...@arcor.de wrote: This slag was never in space or MIR. Its common slag, which has been placed togfether with many tons of other pieces on the shore of the river to ensure its stability. As Michael Farmer told, the Stone never saw anyone from the NASA. People tell many storys to let their own opinions sound stronger. The probability that a meteorite looks like this is zero. Most slags have common optical features (mostly certain crystals or materials (glass, metals in form of drops), flow patterns and flowed looking surfaces, certain colors and especially the bubbles). These slags cannot be confused even when one identifies em on a bad quality photo. Alexander - Original Nachricht Von: cdtuc...@cox.net An: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com, metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: 17.06.2013 20:13 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this? Elton, As always you make some very good points. I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come from? Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry? And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or Korotev said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon holing material because it looks like slag. I know this is a stretch but, Some meteorites do look like slag. Look close at a hand specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca Muerta . Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight. ( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given all the talent represented here.) A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3 hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3 hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural slag is known as pahoe-pahoe) I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along. Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few. It is literally everywhere. It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows. The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Jason, Please do not rain on Marlin's parade. He set a world record, clear and simple! I did my research before contacting Guinness as you should before commenting. No complete complete slice was taken from Apollo sample 61016 which was physically smaller than NWA 5000 due to density. There was only a couple hundred gram weight difference between the two to begin with. NWA 5000 had around a 400 gram gabbro clast etched out of the side that was facing the prevailing Saharan wind. Take this into account and NWA 5000 was and still is physically larger than 61016,7. I consulted the astromaterial curator at NASA, went into the Lunar vault in Houston and took a picture of the very sample you suggest holds the record so I know what I am talking about. The NWA 5000 Main Mass still weighs more the NASA sample 61016,7 by 148 grams! If you would have done your own research, NASA has a 3D cutting map of the sample 61016. Adam . - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin
Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
Hello Carl,
A janitor huffing tile adhesive whilst emptying trash cans in some
administrative back office at NASA probably doesn't lend much
credibility, even if he's crashing in his van outside a Holiday Inn
Express every night.
Wild claims abound.
But regardless of who is making the claim, they're going to have to
show us what managed to impart the energy to fling it five more times around
the earth
after the ultimate interface. And since they _can't_ do that, the
problem is solved by default, and I don't much care what their name is.
[which is probably why we don't see any well-respected names {or any
at all...} associated with it]. If it were even a couple thousand km back up
the ground
track, we could have a discussion - it's not, and we can't.
Physics talks, and the rest of it walks.
--- Jodie
Monday, June 17, 2013, 11:13:36 AM, you wrote:
Elton,
As always you make some very good points.
I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come
from?
Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry?
And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical
questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or
Korotev said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon
holing material because it looks like slag. I know this is a
stretch but, Some meteorites do look like slag. Look close at a hand
specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca Muerta .
Carl
meteoritemax
--
Cheers
MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some
NASA water cooler engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity
for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another
waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central
membership and not one poster can recognize silicate == slag ===on sight.
( I am not saying that everyone should be a slag expert just that there
should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given
all the talent represented here.)
A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3
hours of field time getting to know == slag == because I can't think of a
location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3
hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on
the surface. ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural
slag is known as pahoe-pahoe)
I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually
everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left
abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen
couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad
within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail
right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his
meteor-wrong along.
Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been finding
every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and whole
mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to the
buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore
smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots
more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on
others being thankful they had a use for it! Ballast for road beds, dumping
it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for
shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few.
It is literally everywhere.
It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert. I know
first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the
Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle
Tennessee. Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling
that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating. I later found
that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry. Point: slag is
everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever
for human understanding, even across cultures and ages. There are
pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. It is a
fallacy of logic to believe that something can't be slag because you don't
know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it
therefore came from space seems to be the corollary which always follows.
The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should all
get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of
disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't
be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section.
Regards,
Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG --
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Don't worry about it Jason. It is not your concern. Let the qualified record-tracking personal in England deal with it. A world record has been set and is locked in.. The slab from 61016 was only 20 mm thick and was cut into sections immediately for studying cosmic ray tracks. The initial slab for NWA 5000 was more than twice as thick at 52mm. What don't you understand? I did my research, Now it is time for you to grow up and do your own research instead of commenting on things you now nothing about. Do you like to argue for the sake of arguing? Please don't answer because I want no further communications with you! I find it to be a complete waste of time Over and Out, Good Bye, Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos
[meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?
In “The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?” at: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg113477.html MEM wrote: “I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad within miles. I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his meteor-wrong along.” A person brought me a basketball-size piece of fresh brownish green glass that he found in Little Rock, Arkansas while bulldozer a site for a strip mall. It was quickly identified as steel foundry slag glass that is quite popular in Arkansas for use in decorating their gardens and other landscaping. This type of steel foundry slag glass can be seen as, often large, blocks of colorful blue, bluish-green, greenish, yellow, red, white, orange, purple, and so forth slag glass lying on large tables in front of Arkansas rock shops in and between Murfreesboro to Hot Springs areas. From what I have fond, the slag originally came from foundry at Fort Smith in Sebastian County, Arkansas, and is now imported from other states. This slag glass can also be found in rock shops all over the United States, in people's gardens and fish tanks everywhere, and for sale all on ebay. A person does not need to even be next to a railroad to find it. Fortunately, he did not believe this material to be a meteorite. He did think it was possibly a really weird obsidian. Go see J. Michael Howard answers questions about Geology, Rock Types, and Earth Science http://www.rockhoundingar.com/askmikeygeology.php Slag Glass – tumblr http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/slag%20glass Obsidian in Oklahoma? http://arrowheads.com/forums/learn-about-material-types/18761-obsidian-in-oklahoma Slag glass near Austin for those lucky folks going to SAMA http://www.mosaicandstainedglass.org/forums/index.php?topic=6753.0 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD]: Short sweet - eBay auctions ending Tuesday morning
Here is the link to review the items: http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=mendyo_sop=1 A few highlights: 1) 29.69g crusted end cut of Neenach (if it does not sell price goes back up to $1080) 2) 4.97g of true crusted Tatahouine - 3 patches of crust and the largest patch has flowlines. Yes, it is outrageously priced, but there are not many like this. 3) 14.92g crusted and fresh slice of Battle Mountain and other nice pieces 4) Various and very cool pieces of Taza 5) Two nice sized pieces of Wolf Creek 6) Nicely etched wedge cut of Seymchan Regards, Mendy Ouzillou IMCA #8395 MetSoc member Native English Reviewer for Meteorites Scientific Journal (http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/magazine.html) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
