Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks found from November Sweden event?

[Bob Loeffler via Meteorite-list]

"It was very lucky that this meteorite hit the rock first," Langhof explained. 
"If it hits soft ground, an iron meteorite will be buried four or five metres 
down, and you won't find it afterwards. It's gone."

 

Huh?  Sounds very fishy to me.

 

Bob L

 

 

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Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:21 AM
To: Art 
Cc: Meteorite List 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks found from November Sweden event?

 

Does not seem fresh to me.

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:53 PM Art via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > wrote:

I think i missed this somehow:

How space rock hunters found these rare traces of a meteorite in Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20210126/sweden-finds-its-first-meteorite-fragments-in-66-years

-Art
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Re: [meteorite-list] Did I Capture Bolide During SpaceX Launch?

[Bob Loeffler via Meteorite-list]

It looks like one to me!

Bob L


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Behalf Of Greg Hupé via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:37 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Did I Capture Bolide During SpaceX Launch?

Hello All,

A friend of ours, Eric Bowker, noticed that in my recent video of the SpaceX

launch of the CRS-6 ISS resupply mission that I may have inadvertently 
videotaped a bolide at time of launch! See my video on YouTube at 1:10 lower

right and let me know what you think... Looks like a bolide to me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYSX2pUqmHg

Best Regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] Did I Capture Bolide During SpaceX Launch?

[Bob Loeffler via Meteorite-list]

Hi Larry,

At 1:05 in the video, look just below the top level of clouds between the
clouds and the edge of the video in the lower-right corner of the video.
Then at 1:09 (1 minute 9 seconds), you will see a streak going from the
right side of the clouds to the edge of the video. The streak occurs for
only 1 second, so you have to be looking in the right area to see it at
1:09.

Regards,
Bob L


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Behalf Of Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 9:36 AM
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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; robert.d.mat...@leidos.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Did I Capture Bolide During SpaceX Launch?

All I see is a couple of turkey vultures. Is there something else I'm not
seeing?


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
 
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From: FRIES, MARC D. (JSC-XI111) via Meteorite-list (JSC-XI111) via
Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net; meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Rob D. Matson
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Sent: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 7:47 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Did I Capture Bolide During SpaceX Launch?


I don¹t think it is a bolide, because at 1:07 something goes from right
toleftin the same area, coming from off-frame to the right.  I think
you¹relookingat something making a loop; a bird, nearby bug, or perhaps
adrone.  Still,I¹ll look at the radar imagery and see if anything showsup.
Do you know whatdirection you were facing at the time?Cheers,MarcOn 4/15/15,
11:41 PM,Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:Hello All (Marc,
Rob...),Afriend of ours, Eric Bowker, noticed that in my recent video
oftheSpaceXlaunch of the CRS-6 ISS resupply mission that I may
haveinadvertentlyvideotaped a bolide at time of launch! See my video on
YouTubeat 1:10lowerright and let me know what you think... Looks like a
bolide tome...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYSX2pUqmHgAny Meteor
activityat 4:10 PM 4-14-2015 Cape
Canaveral?BestRegards,GregGreg HupéThe
HupéCollectiongmh...@centurylink.netwww.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog
Reference Site)www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary
MeteoriteSite)NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

[Bob Loeffler]

In this day and age, people want their posts to be instant, how it was on
meteorite central before the over haul.

Hi Shawn,

In this day and age, posts via EMAIL are pretty much instantaneous.  I have
never gone to the website to read or post messages for this list.  Is there
a reason why you do that instead of just getting the posts instantly via
email?  IMO, reading messages in a list such as this on a website is
archaic, but maybe you have your reasons.  I used to do that on Compuserve
20 to 25 years ago, but why go to different websites for all of the
community groups that you read instead of having the messages all sent
automatically to email?  It's easy to set up rules in email apps so that you
have all of the MetList emails in one folder, all of the
Pizza-is-yummy-Society emails in another folder, etc.  But like I said,
maybe you have your reasons.

Regards,

Bob L.


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

Hello Listers

My two cents

The List went quite ish when Art did the over haul and personal I don't go
to the website any more because the posts arent instant. Right now, if you
go to Meteorite Central the latest post is from March 5th. In this day and
age, people want their posts to be instant, how it was on meteorite central
before the over haul. Now it take weeks before a post shows up on the
website, not sure why Art did this, but it sounds like its hurting the
website then helping it. Art, I wish the website went back to the way it
was, I would go to the website 10 to 15 times a day if not more, now I don't
go, I have a link to some MC mail list that shows the postings, but for real
time use on Meteorite Central its dated and not prevalent to current trends
in social media and how websites work today with instant posting. Please fix
Meteorite Central Art  to how it was :)
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Please take my name off of the mailing list

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Wanda,

You have to do it yourself.  Go to the following website, scroll down to the
Meteorite-list Subscribers section and follow the instructions there.

http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Regards,

Bob L.


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Lerke
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Please take my name off of the mailing list

Hello,

Can you please remove my e-mail address from this mailing list?

Thanks

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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Tektite

[Bob Loeffler]

Yes, definitely agate (which is cryptocrystalline quartz).  I've seen lots
of it.

Bob L.

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Tektite


Agate!


Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum
dori...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 
 Someone brought this into the museum for an ID. It looks sort of like a
tektite. It doesn't really look like any slag glass that I've seen. No find
location was given. Any tektite experts have an opinion?
 

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27008_zps0
3ffc3d1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27007_zps7
cb05a26.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27006_zps7
50db031.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27005_zps5
cded8cd.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27004_zps0
7aa10ea.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27002_zps1
0c0ab1c.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/2013-10-27001_zpsa
797a7da.jpg
 
 
 Phil Whitmer
 Joshua Tree Earth  Space Museum 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Attention: Denver Gem and Mineral Show Attendees

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Adam,

The official Denver Gem and Mineral Show is not underway yet, as it opens
on Friday.  But there are several satellite shows that are underway, like
the Colorado Mineral  Fossil Show (which is at the Ramada Plaza Hotel,
formerly the Holiday Inn) and the Coliseum show.

Regards,

Bob L.
Webmaster
http://www.denvermineralshow.com


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Bates
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:48 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Attention: Denver Gem and Mineral Show Attendees

Hello List,


It has been a lot of fun seeing many of your so far, as the Denver Gem
and Mineral Show is well underway.  The weather may be gloomy but the
deals are still happening!  


Featuring dozens of new classifications and popular falls and finds from
exotic locations from all over the world.  


Come see the biggest little showcase in all of Denver.  Located outside
the Denver Coliseum in the Morocco Fossil tent! Free parking and
admission in the back - just shut your door and look for the big red
mineral and fossil flags!  Now through Sunday.


Looking forward to seeing those of you attending the auction on Friday.


All the best!


Adam Bates
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Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC

[Bob Loeffler]

I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years
or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold
Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies
(digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff).  Yes, they
are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment.

And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much
something can be worth.  In one of the episodes this week, they found a
really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth
around $15.  If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've
added two more zeros to the end of that number!  I have seen 5 or 6 episodes
of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can
remember.  Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced
at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view.  Would I
pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that
might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid?  Sure!  Would I pay
$500?  Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID
wear it.  So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a
reasonable amount.  A few items that they have found in past episodes had
lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool
looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right
thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them.

The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast
(i.e. TV shows).  They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun,
doing what they love to do.  Just like Geoff and Steve on MM.  Sometimes
annoying, but we still love them on their show.  And like Michael Mulgrew
said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find.  I agree with others that
they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got
permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you
go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass,
etc.  I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone
(or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys
leave.

I just went to the Diggers website
(http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this:

As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers
adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the
historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way.
So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show.

Regards,
Bob L.


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM
To: Michael Mulgrew
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC

Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat Geo
channel has sunk so low. 
Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of
anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink so
low.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adam and list,
 
 Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand,
 from the Diggers themselves) that they do not keep anything they
 find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have
 roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used
 solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect
 of a cable television show.  You and all other treasure hunters know
 that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't
 for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about
 treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and
 getting crazy when they find something.
 
 Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the real
 world practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the
 target audiences for these types of shows.  If I was the worlds
 greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm
 sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of
 us elite and dedicated Pickers.
 
 So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not
 meant to be taken seriously.  Mainstream network news
 (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these
 shows, and I view it in the same light.
 
 Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits.  These guys
on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community.  Treasure
hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode knowing

Re: [meteorite-list] Denver show date

[Bob Loeffler]

Also, the main show's website has been updated.  Please go here for details:

http://www.denvermineralshow.com

By the way, the Denver Merchandise Mart has changed its name to The Denver
Mart.

Regards,

Bob L.


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anne Black
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:25 PM
To: fuj...@mac.com; mfcollec...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Denver show date

Yes, Gary and all,

The Denver Show is in less than one month.
Officially it starts on September 11, but just like Tucson some people 
will be here several days before that.
For complete information go to:  http://mzexpos.com/
Who is coming?

For the yearly Get-together and Auction hosted by the Comets, please 
contact us privately, for security reasons.
See you soon.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
To: Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com
Cc: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:27 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Denver show date


salam Said,

The Colorado Mineral  Fossil show is September 11-15, and Fossil Expo 
is from
September 13-15. The main show I think is 13-15, but you should ask 
Matt Morgan
or Anne Black, because they live there.

gary

On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:18 PM, Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi list,
 Plz when exactly the denver show will start and end??
 Thanks
 Said
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Re: [meteorite-list] Frustrated over some sellers pages

[Bob Loeffler]

Sounds like classic bait and switch to me.  If it happens once, it could
just be a mistake.  If it happens a second time, maybe the guy is forgetful.
But if it happens more than twice with the same specimen, it's fraud.  You
should tell us who the dealer is so we can all watch out for this from that
person.

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
jimsk...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:39 PM
To: rob.holc...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Frustrated over some sellers pages

Rob,
 
I bought it a few years ago. I don't know if anyone tried to buy it  from 
his Ebay listings that he's been putting up over the years. He doesn't  have

it, I do.
 
Jim K

In a message dated 3/5/2013 4:26:05 P.M. Central Standard  Time, 
rob.holc...@gmail.com writes:
That sounds very odd for any dealer to  operate like that. Has it ever sold 
on eBay? Perhaps people are simply returning  it and the dealer just can't 
be rid of it, like an albatross.
Rob  H


On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM, jimsk...@aol.com  wrote:

A few years ago I was looking for a certain kind of large iron  meteorite
for my collection and found a nice one at a well known dealers  website. I
made  the deal and sent the payment. The next day I was told  that it had 
been
sold  some time ago. The dealer offered me a different  piece that was 
larger
and more  expensive at a great price. I agreed and  paid for it. It arrived
and I was  thrilled with it. About 6 months  later I saw my meteorite on 
Ebay
listed by this  same dealer. I emailed  him and joked about it. He ended the
listing. Six months  later it was  listed again and has been relisted a
number of times to this day  and is  still for sale on his website. I don't 
want
to cause him any undue   embarrassment so I won't mention his name, so don't
ask. Forgetful? or  Bait  and Switch? I'm not complaining, it was a good 
deal
for  me.

Cheers,
Jim  K
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Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...

[Bob Loeffler]

Busted!!!  That is proof of blatant deception.  I'm glad I have not
purchased anything from Jorge!

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:37 PM
To: Ken Newton
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jorge M. Gonçalves 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON,be carefull what you say about my
meteorites on the Meteorite List,I am warning you...

Wow! Thanks you Ken for bringing that to light!!  Blatant that is.

Jorge, it would seem you have been backed into a corner. I await your
rebuttal as I have purchased several witnessed falls from you though they
have been separated from our Main collection and put into the suspect
cabinet.


Please, do explain...



Brandon D.

On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote:

 (Sorry if this is a duplicate)
 Jorge (galeriacores),
 Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your
 authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic
 Chelyabinsk 
 See:  http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html
 
 Hmmm?
 
 Ken Newton
 
 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves
 galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any
 offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but
 apparently you don't respect that policy.
 
 All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a
 card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start
 accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for
 you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that
 card  and to me that is all the written proof I need.
 
 Jorge
 
 
 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com
 
 Jorge,
 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to.
 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so
 painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you.  You're
 either woefully ignorant, or a cheat.  Either way, you have no grounds
 to be threatening anyone who points this out.
 Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which
 apparently means nothing in your case.
 Jason
 
 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves
 galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote:
 You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting
your
 specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language
expression,
 but who the fuck do you think you are???  As far as I'm concerned I'm
the
 only one showing  written proof from the seller, as far as I know all
the
 other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any
authenticity.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Boom 28 secs after Russian meteor passes overhead

[Bob Loeffler]

I don't know if anyone mentioned it here, but the boom in that first video 
mentioned below was 1 minute 28 seconds after the blast (9:43:06 - 9:44:34).  
Some time was edited out between 9:43:14 and 9:44:32, so it seemed like a short 
time between blast and boom.

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robin Whittle
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:53 PM
To: METEORITE LIST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Boom 28 secs after Russian meteor passes overhead

Here is a relatively little-watched video showing a 28 second time delay
after the meteor passes almost overhead, and slightly to the south:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKjwrjIM-k

I am not sure where this is located.  With some work such as that of:


http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/

it should be possible to calculate its rate of angular movement.  There
is a ~28 second time delay between the meteor passing almost exactly
overhead, which with a little work could be refined to a figure accurate
to a fraction of a second.  According to a post at the abovementioned
page, the well known video:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwieex7gFAs

is from the suburb of Rosa (Roza) 54° 54′ 38″ N, 61° 27′ 15″ E, ~23km
south of Chelyabinsk.  This shows the path of the meteor being a few km
to the south.

I guess the first-mentioned video is from much the same area.  If so,
with some knowledge of shock wave propagation speeds at various
altitudes, it should be possible to calculate the altitude and velocity
of the meteor at this point.

Another little-watched video with the smoke trail almost overhead is:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gXz9W2oyQ

This is supposedly from Emanzhelinsk / Yemanzhelinsk, which is further
south still.  I think this shows the smoke trail to be somewhat to the
north, with the initial view of the trail being at the western end.

This would enable the track of the meteor to be located just a few km
north of this location, somewhere between Roza and Emanzhelinsk /
Yemanzhelinsk.


http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Russia,+Chelyabinskaya+oblast,+Rosahl=enll=54.913725,61.42868spn=0.584928,1.087646sll=-37.73563,145.07369sspn=0.050298,0.067978oq=Rosa+Chelyt=hhnear=Roza,+Korkinsky+District,+Chelyabinsk+Oblast,+Russiaz=10

  - Robin

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Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?

[Bob Loeffler]

The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising).  Where did you get
the image at the bottom?  Everything I have seen about this has said or
showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the
west.

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn
Sorheim
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?


List,
There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about
the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15,
morning (local).
Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image
is wrong, how did that come about?
Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the
orbital elements? And which is the true direction?
Would be important to clarify this.
North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one,
and near the middle in the top image.
The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree.
Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together:

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg

Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Bjørn,

In the videos, the meteor is first seen above and to the left of the rising
sun, so that would mean that it was further north than the rising sun.  If
you estimate the sun to be rising between 100-110 degrees azimuth, then the
meteor would be less than 100 degrees, so the 80 degree estimate would be
correct.  Unless, the sun was still far below the horizon and therefore was
further north relative to the video's angle.  Maybe some of the experts can
step in and let us know what the azimuth really was.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn
Sorheim
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:27 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian
meteor?

Hi Bob
The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer
up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the
roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some
level of work behind.
The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I
estimate.
The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago,
titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle


Bjørn Sørheim

-
The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get
the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or
showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the
west.

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bjorn
Sorheim
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?


List,
There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about
the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15,
morning (local).
Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image
is wrong, how did that come about?
Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the
orbital elements? And which is the true direction?
Would be important to clarify this.
North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one,
and near the middle in the top image.
The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree.
Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together:

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg

Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com

[Bob Loeffler]

And the website's About Us page says:

Meteoritefragments.com is a British company that was originally formed in
1996 by Alexandra Douthwaite who graduated with a geological science degree
at Edinburgh university in the same year. Since then the company has grown
from strength to strength with a vast collection of all types of meteorites
and is now one of the market leaders in the sale of genuine meteorite
fragments.

Regards,

Bob L


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jim_brady...@o2.co.uk
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 5:22 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com

whois data lists a rodney taylor in sunnyvale CA as admin contact
http://www.who.is/whois/meteoritefragments.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... they try to sell fake lunars in the past

[Bob Loeffler]

HI all,

I think that anyone who asks an IMCA dealer for provenance of a specimen
should expect to get it.  IMCA member dealers should be held to a higher
authority if they want to be respected as IMCA members.  I would think that
this is part of membership, but I could be wrong (since I'm not a member).
If IMCA member dealers don't give out provenance when asked for it, this
could be considered deception... which looks bad on them and the IMCA.  Or
maybe I'm missing out on what the IMCA is about.  This is what the first two
sentences on the IMCA home page says:

The International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA Inc.) has one
primary purpose: helping Meteorite Collectors in their search for Authentic
Meteorites for their collections and assisting others in helping to learn
more about meteorites. Whether they are new to the Meteorite World or very
knowledgeable, we want all Collectors to buy/trade with confidence from our
Members, knowing that every item will be exactly what it is represented to
be.

It seems pretty obvious to me.  How can we, as buyers, buy WITH CONFIDENCE
when the seller doesn't provide information when requested?  If there are
trade secrets (e.g. Exactly where was the specimen found? when the
finder hasn't disclosed that info), then I understand why a dealer wouldn't
disclose that info.  But provenance should not be considered a trade secret.
I'm not trying to single out Shawn. I've never had any dealings with him and
I'm sure he is a good person, so I am just saying all of this in general
for all of the meteorite community.  If you look at Anne Black's website
(http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm), you will see that she mentions the
provenance for about 95% of her stock.  

For those who are worried that a potential buyer will go over a dealer's
head directly to the source, the source person has probably not dealt with
the potential buyer (otherwise they would already be in discussions), and
the source person will not want to have to deal with a new person because
there is a lot of risk when starting up a business rapport with a new buyer.

BTW, I don't know Bill and have never dealt with him either, so I'm not
taking his side because of anything personal.

Just my $0.02 worth...

Regards,

Bob L



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:06 PM
To: photoph...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
with a certain seller  they try to sell fake lunars in the past


Shawn,

You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy
from you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully provide
it. I never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked for
assurance prior to making a bid. 

Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the source?
Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources
before you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our private
discussion on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated
rudeness. I believe I have it in a file somewhere.

Seasoned Gratings,
Bill

  

 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:36:41 -0800
 From: photoph...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
with a certain seller  they try to sell fake lunars in the past
 To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 Bill if you did your homework you would see I posted my provinces in the
past on the LIST, but wait that would matter cause you have no intensions of
buying from me. Lastly, if I was rude to you on eBay, it was because you
were rude to me first. You have a great night Bill and happy holidays to you
Bill :)

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633


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 From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
 To: photoph...@yahoo.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:49 PM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
with a certain seller  they try to sell fake lunars in the past


 1633,

 I don't recollect ever ganging up against you with anyone here or
elsewhere. I simply asked for provenance concerning one of your ebay
offerings and you were as rude through ebay, without knowing me there, as
you are without knowing me here.

 I don't expect you to explain yourself. I cringe at the thought. I only
asked that you explain the origins of your crumbs before I bid. And by the
way, I doubt dropping names will help you join the best in the bizzness.

 Just Plain Bill

 
  Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:22:05 -0800
  From: photoph...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, 

Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Show

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Said and list,

I'll be working at the main Denver Show (in the Merchandise Mart).  I work
with a lot of the dealers/vendors, the Show's website (see link in my
signature below) and the Show's Android app. If you have an Android phone,
search for DGMS on the Google Play Store (formerly the Android Market).
It's very simple right now, but has good information if you are coming to
Denver for the show.

Fred Hall (Meteorhall) will be in our Show on the main floor.  If you enter
the main (south) entrance of the Expo building of the Mart, go straight
ahead and he will be in the 3rd booth on the right.

Ronnie Mckenzie often has meteorites and is usually in our International
Room in the G aisle.

Ruben Garcia's booth will be in the Fossil show which is in the Plaza
building that is attached to the Expo building in the Mart.

Several meteorite dealers will be in the Ramada Plaza hotel (formerly the
Holiday Inn - Central Denver).  Does anyone have a list of these dealers?
Here are a couple:  Blaine Reed Meteorites, Comet Meteorite Shop

KD Meteorites (Keith and Dana Jenkerson) will have a booth on the arena
floor of the Coliseum Show.

Anne Black won't have a booth, but will be around.  I'm sure Mike and Bill
Jensen, Dan Wray, Matt Morgan, Fred Olsen, Larry Johnson and other Colorado
collectors will be around.

Please join us for the Meteorite Auction and Party on Friday, Sept. 14th.
Details at http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.php

If anyone knows of more meteorite dealers who will be in Denver in
mid-September, please let us know.

Regards,
 
Bob Loeffler
COMETS Webmaster
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com


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Haddany
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:42 PM
To: meteorites mailing
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show

Hi List,
who is attending the denver show this year?


Said Haddany
I.M.C.A # 8108
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorites found after bang, light - Winnipeg Free Press

[Bob Loeffler]

Wow, they must have some really crazy drugs up there in Saskatchewan!  That
lady is psycho.

Bob L



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sean T.
Murray
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:54 PM
To: Thunder Stone; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorites found after bang,light -
Winnipeg Free Press

Wow.

She has been contacting me A LOT via facebook all week regarding her finds. 
The one picture she sent me looks like a yellowed river/glacier worn quartz 
rock, and this one is just odd... maybe volcanic?  She is convinced they are

lunars (as are all new meteorite hunters).

It's been an odd conversation, so I thought it was worth repeating some of 
the statements here:

Per Nicole Nixon:


Two tons of meteorites fell in 2005 and another two thousand for the 2009 
perseid. messed up the wildlife some. yes, i showed with robert bateman. one

of the best in north america

The party is over. Just found meteorites from this area being sold by Geoff 
[Notkin] on the internet as meteorites found in Australia. It was printed 
and copies will be sent as part of a report to the National Minister of 
Heritage and the National Minister of Justice.  He was responsible for a 
five year old child almost being killed. Two carloads of women and children 
were driven off roads and one child was in the hospital for over one month. 
When fencing was reinforced, he sent down individuals with chainsaws to cut 
through it and other to shoot at no trespassing signs. This is being 
reported to National Authorities who are waiting for photos and a full 
report.
This is not Saskatchewan. The area has a reputation. His photos are posted 
in all small local stores with targets drawn on them. He will be charged by 
the Government of Canada for inciting violence, endangerment, theft and the 
organizing of exportation. We get our hands on him, and what is left of him 
will be on you tube.

Last person that got on everybody's nerves in the area, was tied to a tree 
with barbed wire. He stayed there for two days until someone felt guilty and

let him go. Not worried about it, three of my boys went to prison for 
homicide. No many coming our way. not many.

Already getting calls to arrange for hunts and splits. Would you please talk

to your associate who does testing? If he can head on down to see this, a 
three way split can be determined. The large ones I just found are mine, but

the rest is negotiable.

Apparently this happens every year as the placement of the planets and the 
lands, along with the magnetic belt, combine to deliver.

As long as they are verified to be lunar meteorites, I'll keep mine in 
Canada. No sense in flooding the American Market.  I am not picking any 
more. The meteorite shower of 2009 was said to be like rain in this area. I 
was wondering why so many of our neighbors were heading off to Winnipeg for 
a few days.


So casual hunters beware ;-)  And Geoff - find somewhere else to vacation 
for a while :-)

Anyone want to volunteer to contact this lady to test her rocks?  I told her

to just contact Jeff Young with a physical sample, per the article.  She 
pinged me seconds after the post from Thunder.

Sean.

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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorites found after bang,light - 
Winnipeg Free Press

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/possible-meteorites-found-afte
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Re: [meteorite-list] 8/3/2012 Fireball seen from Coors FieldColorado During SF Giants Game

[Bob Loeffler]

Yup, bummer.  :-(  If it was really coming in that fast (and burning at that
low elevation), those of us in the Denver area would've heard more about it
(and maybe felt its impact).   :-)

Regards,

Bob L



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Farmer
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 7:43 AM
To: Shawn Alan
Cc: Meteorite Central
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8/3/2012 Fireball seen from Coors
FieldColorado During SF Giants Game

Wayy too fast! Looked like a bug flying just in front of the camera.
Michael Farmer

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On Aug 9, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Listers,
 
 Though I would share this with all you :) I wonder if it made any
meteorites and if so where.
 
 
 A fireball meteorite is seen at 0:15 during the SF Giants/CO Rockies game
at Coors Field in Denver, CO on 8/3/12. Dave Flemming is announcing on
Comcast Sports Bay Area channel. Giants won 16-4!  This must have been an
extremly bright fireball as it is visible from behind cloud cover!
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx2DThXr0Ig
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay Store
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
 http://www.meteoritefalls.com/  
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...

[Bob Loeffler]

HI Chris,

One problem that I can think of would be... what if you had 50 investors who
financed the expedition and only 1 small stone was found?  Many people would
not want that stone to be cut up (besides cutting a window in it for
classification purposes), so all of those people would come away with
nothing even though a stone was found.  So this would have to be agreed upon
before any money is invested.  I guess there could be some cutting scraps
from the windowing that could be split up, but splitting that 50 ways
would be almost impossible because it would be dust, not even sand-sized
particles.

If two or more stones were found, then keep the largest (or most aesthetic)
intact and cut up the other one into as many pieces as there are investors,
plus the meteorite hunter(s).  So everyone gets a piece and the largest/best
is kept in its natural state for all to see (museum or whatever).  Again, it
would have to be decided from the very start what to do with the
largest/best stone.  Does the met hunter get it or does it get donated to
the hunters' museum of choice?  Then individual investors can keep theirs or
donate to museums of their choice.

But I do like your idea.  It would help the met hunters do their job
because they wouldn't have to come up with the capital ASAP when a met event
occurs like they do now, and it would allow some of us to get in on the
action without doing the hunting ourselves.  I won't be able to do this
anytime soon (I have a baby due on June 1, although she might be arriving a
little sooner because my wife was ready to pop a couple weeks ago), but I do
like the idea.

Regards,

Bob L



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of chris
handler
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:29 PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...

To be honest, I would consider doing this with an experienced hunter
such as yourself. It wouldn't be too dissimilar to buying shares in a
startup company.
This may be a simple way of looking at it, but it could work something
like this; A new fall occurs somewhere and it's going to cost roughly
$10,000 to hunt (Just an example, I have no idea of the actual costs
involved). As you are the one putting your time, personal risk and
expertise into the hunt, the $10,000 represents only 50% of the total
resources used.
So, if I invested the whole $10,000 and you recovered 10KG of
material, it would be split 5KG each way. Now $10,000 might be to much
for any one person to want to risk on the venture or come up with up
front, so you could offer smaller shares at a more affordable price.
The $10,000/50% stake could be offered in 50X 1% shares. Each investor
would only receive 100 grams of the 10KG in this scenario, but they
would have only risked $200 (plus postage and handling, if the hunt is
successful) and you've still received 50% of the meteorites without
any of the capital expenditure. I'm positive there's aspects I haven't
considered, so please critique it.

On 5/16/12, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
 I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is
 going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at
 least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and
 bring them back?
 If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking
 the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send
you
 my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if I
 don't get any or get robbed then you
 Lose all your money, any takers?
 Michael Farmer

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
 wrote:

 Dear list

 I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now.

 I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on
 on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more
 and more important etc... etc...

 Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the
 prices...
 and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel.

 I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about
 Meteorites
 in a spiritual, metaphysical way.
 Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more...
 soo much more... don't you agree ?!

 Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France,
 a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th.
 I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel)
 ,some are fossils or dendrites or both...
 ... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy !

 Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what
 really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc...

 Regards
 Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor over northeastern Colorado on Wednesday night?

[Bob Loeffler]

Ok, thanks Chris.

Bob L


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Chris
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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor over northeastern Colorado on Wednesday
night?

Not on any of our allsky cameras, which would have caught something like 
this over eastern Colorado or western Kansas.

Chris

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On 5/11/2012 11:29 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:
 HI all,

 A friend of mine was driving in Colorado on Wednesday night and saw what
he
 thinks was a meteor.  He is a rockhound, not a meteorite collector (nor a
 meteor watcher), so his description below is not as educated as some
others
 may be.  Did anyone see it?  Here is what he said:

 Since you have been down 285 a lot also, just pretend you are between
 Fairplay and Jefferson...but closer to Jefferson going back to Denver... I
 suppose roughly heading due NE.  and then visualize Kenosha pass in the
far
 distance...and you see this bright SLOW light...very big and then it dives
 behind the mountains there...looking through the area of the windshield in
 front of the passenger side of the front seat...so I and my friend saw it
 but she had a better view as I was driving, etc.  It was about 10 to 10:30
 p.m. Wednesday night and quite dark.  I saw it coming from a lower angle
in
 the sky like about 30 degrees from the horizontal... and it was a long arc
 path... We saw it 3-5 seconds or so, long enough to stare at it a
 bit.most shooting stars are so quick you will miss them if you are not
 staring in the right part of the sky...but this was much lower in the
 skynot parallel with the ground but like an arc.

 Does this sound like a meteor to you?  Or maybe an airplane?  The slowness
 could be because it was really far away, but the arcing of its path???  He
 told me in a different email that it was extremely bright.

 I looked at the American Meteor Society's Fireball Reports page and found
 one (event 640) from a person in Longmont, CO and it sounds like she
 might've seen it too (same direction), but she didn't put anything into
the
 Notes.

 Thanks,
 Bob L

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[meteorite-list] Meteor over northeastern Colorado on Wednesday night?

[Bob Loeffler]

HI all,

A friend of mine was driving in Colorado on Wednesday night and saw what he
thinks was a meteor.  He is a rockhound, not a meteorite collector (nor a
meteor watcher), so his description below is not as educated as some others
may be.  Did anyone see it?  Here is what he said:

“Since you have been down 285 a lot also, just pretend you are between
Fairplay and Jefferson...but closer to Jefferson going back to Denver... I
suppose roughly heading due NE.  and then visualize Kenosha pass in the far
distance...and you see this bright SLOW light...very big and then it dives
behind the mountains there...looking through the area of the windshield in
front of the passenger side of the front seat...so I and my friend saw it
but she had a better view as I was driving, etc.  It was about 10 to 10:30
p.m. Wednesday night and quite dark.  I saw it coming from a lower angle in
the sky like about 30 degrees from the horizontal... and it was a long arc
path... We saw it 3-5 seconds or so, long enough to stare at it a
bit.most shooting stars are so quick you will miss them if you are not
staring in the right part of the sky...but this was much lower in the
skynot parallel with the ground but like an arc.”

Does this sound like a meteor to you?  Or maybe an airplane?  The slowness
could be because it was really far away, but the arcing of its path???  He
told me in a different email that it was extremely bright.

I looked at the American Meteor Society’s Fireball Reports page and found
one (event 640) from a person in Longmont, CO and it sounds like she
might’ve seen it too (same direction), but she didn’t put anything into the
Notes.

Thanks,
Bob L 

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Meteorites of the United States Map, Large Format Prints Canvas, Suitable for Framing

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Mike,

It's interesting that he drew mountains in eastern Colorado and western
Kansas.  Or maybe those are really big hills... or artistic license?  :-)
A few more mets from Colorado would've been nice, like the Berthoud eucrite
fall in 2004.  It seems rather empty for a state with 85 confirmed
meteorites.

http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/metlist_class.php

But the map does look nice.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
Colorado Meteorite Society (COMETS)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:04 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Meteorites of the United States Map, Large
Format Prints  Canvas, Suitable for Framing

Greetings Collectors and Listees,

Brad Nault has finished a new meteorite map.  This map is of North
America and shows 100 USA meteorites and craters (including the new
Sutter's Mill California fall).  Brad's previous NWA North Africa
meteorite map is still in demand, and now this new America map is
being offered for the first time.  There is also a limited edition of
24 large canvas giclee pieces (signed and numbered) and these are now
available for reservation.  See the link below for ordering.

Here are the available sizes and you get a 20%-OFF Met-List discount
when ordering -

14x24 poster print
16x36 poster print
16x36 giclee canvas

To get the discount price, use coupon code metlist at checkout.  If
the coupon code doesn't work, contact me via email.

For a full description, photo, and ordering -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorites-of-the-united-states-artwor
k-map-large-prints-canvas-suitable-for-framing

I also have a few new micromount meteorites available, including the
rare Lake Murray iron (the oldest fossil meteorite in America).  See
all of the newest specimens here -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new

Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!

MikeG
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

We all need to remember that the PVC pipes are there for a very good
reason  So mining/claim people know where their claims are located and
other mining/claim people know where their claims are not.  Some people live
off of what they dig out of the ground, so if you pull up someone's claim
markers, another person might encroach on their claim and dig up the real
claim owner's livelihood (which could be taking food out of his family's
mouth).  So instead of pulling up or knocking down a PVC pipe, fill it with
rocks, dirt, sticks or litter. Anything so the animals can't get in it.  Or
put its cap back on tightly if you find it.

I had never heard of the PVC being a problem and I've been a rockhound for
the last 15 years and have had a claim for the last 4 or 5 years.  We (three
of us) marked our claim boundaries with wooden posts that are around 6 feet
long by 4 inches on a side.  They are really heavy to carry by hand up in
the mountains, so I can see why someone would want to use PVC instead.  They
are probably 1/4th the weight of the wooden posts.  I have not heard whether
PVC is legal or not in CO, but I just found this Note on a CO BLM web page:

Note: It is BLM policy to not use perforated or uncapped pipe as a
monument.
 
http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Programs/minerals/describing_mining_claims.h
tml

Most new mining claims in CO are on BLM land, so that's why I checked their
website.

Regards,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
John.L.Cabassi
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:21 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

G'Day Sonny and List
I appreciate that update Sonny, I did not know that this was the norm.
PVC can become very destructive if not used accordingly. Even though you
cap it, if it's not glued, the caps can be removed.  I like Yanan's
suggestion on those already in place. 

But I find PVC pipes as an indicator to claim coordinates a poor use,
they are flexible, very hard to drive into the ground. Yes, maybe
they're easy to see from a distance being white, but there must be an
alternative. I'd hate to see any legitimate prospector's claim be torn
down because of this issue. There's lots of alternatives... Treated
stakes, they last a long time, they're solid, a little bit of paint
(red, white  blue) or maybe just alternate your colors to your claim.
It would solve a lot of problems.  But everybody using white PVC does
not solve the problem, but hey there's no problems only solutions.
Alternative markers as I said earlier, treated posts 2 inches, hammered
into the ground with some color coding. Your choice.  

I respect the miners, I respect their claims. I'm not going to pull out
a PVC pipe because it's not covered; because it initially was but some
less fortunate person has decided to remove the cover, for what means, I
don't know. But claim markers are important. I'm fond of all parties
living on this earth, be it birds, bacteria, plant life, the good old
homosapien. There's enough room to live harmoniously as long as we
think. Sometimes we obliverate the miniscule. Birds have every right to
live on this planet, they play an important part. They transport seeds
to other continents either on their feathers or through their droppings.
It's a never ending ecological cycle.  We then have those that are
inclined to live within their confinements that don't migrate. Those are
the ones that we should be concerned about. I

I think this whole thread has been very informative. One that I have
never considered before.  Just my $1.50 AU

John Cabassi - Johnno
IMCA #2125
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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:35 PM
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mexicod...@aim.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap


Hi Mark and List,

I wasn't implying that you were anti-mining

No worries, I never thought that you were implying that. Sorry if my 
post seemed that way.

  You are right about the man made hazards. There have been a number of 
tragic deaths in Nevada from people falling into abandoned open pit 
mines. What a cool story about saving the deer. How on earth did you 
ever get him out?

Best Regards,

Sonny




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To: wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com; meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicodoug mexicod...@aim.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  PVC death trap



I agree with you Sonny - I wasn't implying that you were 
anti-mining.  So sorry to anybody who took it that way.  I 

Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone want some Tucson Photos

[Bob Loeffler]

Thanks for the photos, ArizonaKeith!!!

Bob L


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Vazquez
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:38 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone want some Tucson Photos

Hello List

Once again I'm be posting some photos from ther Tucson show.
Taken only a photos today, some Meteorite people, meteorites, some Dinosaurs

from all over the Hotel City Center grounds, and some general stuff.

http://www.flickr.com//photos/arizonaviking/sets/72157629094296693/show/

Sorry for no text, I'll try and add some later.
Hope you all enjoy
ArizonaKeith
Chandler Az 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

[Bob Loeffler]

Thanks to those who chimed in.

I agree that it's not a scientifically useful stat to keep track of, but
many people have asked for trivial info about meteorites before, and they
will continue to do so after we are all worm food.  This is just an
interesting little tidbit that some people wonder about, so having a list in
one place would be nice.  Data such as the year in which a met was found, or
the location where it was found, is not scientifically important (we've seen
the arguments on this list before), yet each met entry in the MB db has the
year and location because people want to know those things.  But I
understand why you wouldn't want to do this on the MB db... it would
definitely take some time to compile.

Regards,

Bob L.



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:48 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

None of this is something I want to track in the MB Database.  It would 
be too difficult and time-consuming to track an ever-changing and often 
controversial list.  Moreover, as you say, it isn't a particularly 
useful thing to tabulate.  I'll leave it to collectors to take on this task.

Jeff

On 1/25/2012 5:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
  A main mass list? Heck, there isn't even a main mass definition 
 everybody agrees on! Here's mine:

 Hi Jeff, all,

 A main mass has some scientific value IMO in some circumstances.  But 
 really, it seems to me one of those things that we keep having to fill 
 out on a boilerplate form that serves of little real scientific 
 value.  Better would be to drop the confusing, unfortunately now 
 unscientfic (due to the various definitions as you already reminded 
 us) term main mass and just have an entry called,

 biggest known piece = BKP

 which is already used analogously in the case of TKW.

 in the database.  It's really what most collectors are interested in 
 anyway and would create probably a bunch more of limited useful 
 information llike the TKW's which frequently are significantly 
 understated.  My take on a 'main mass' wouldn't require it to be more 
 than half, but rather the principal piece of the original meteoroid 
 from which all fragmentation is derived, and the one expected to 
 travel furthest up the dispersion ellipse's axis shedding it all.  I 
 suppose a scenario of a boulder splitting into two equal pieces would 
 screw that up too, but then we could drop some fancier names to 
 describe that 'degenerate' case.

 Just sounding off

 Kindest wishes
 Doug


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 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com
 To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 11:33 am
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?


  A main mass list? Heck, there isn't even a main mass definition
 everybody agrees on! Here's mine:

 An individual stone/iron or piece of an individual stone/iron that
 comprises the majority ( 50%) of the known mass of a named meteorite.

 Jeff

 On 1/24/2012 10:08 AM, Bob Loeffler wrote:
 Hi list,

 After looking at Jim Strope's photos of the New Concord main mass 
 (Rocks
 from Space Picture of the Day a couple days ago) that he got in a 
 trade with
 ASU (my alma mater; Go Sun Devils!), I thought of a question:

 Who has the most main masses in their collection?  Of course, I 
 thought of
 people like Bob Haag, Mike Farmer, etc and museums like the 
 Smithsonian,
 ASU, etc.

 Has anyone ever put together such a list?  Because of trading, the 
 list
 might be hard to keep updated, but maybe not since main masses are 
 coveted
 and might not be passed around too much.  For new falls, the main 
 mass will
 change as newer/bigger pieces are found, but I would think someone 
 in the
 know could put together the list, or at least start it.

 If nobody has such a list, maybe the Meteoritical Bulletin Database 
 could
 have a few more fields added for easy searching.  Fields such as Main 
 Mass
 Weight, Main Mass Owner and Main Mass Image (for the best photo of 
 the main
 mass), and then the Owner field could be easily changed if the 
 Meteoritical
 Society finds out that the main mass was sold/traded to someone else.
 Anyway, just a thought.

 In case you are wondering, I have no main masses in my collection. 
 :-(

 Regards,
 Bob L.


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[meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi list,

After looking at Jim Strope’s photos of the New Concord main mass (Rocks
from Space Picture of the Day a couple days ago) that he got in a trade with
ASU (my alma mater; Go Sun Devils!), I thought of a question:

Who has the most main masses in their collection?  Of course, I thought of
people like Bob Haag, Mike Farmer, etc and museums like the Smithsonian,
ASU, etc.

Has anyone ever put together such a list?  Because of trading, the list
might be hard to keep updated, but maybe not since main masses are coveted
and might not be passed around too much.  For new falls, the main mass will
change as newer/bigger pieces are found, but I would think someone in the
know could put together the list, or at least start it.

If nobody has such a list, maybe the Meteoritical Bulletin Database could
have a few more fields added for easy searching.  Fields such as Main Mass
Weight, Main Mass Owner and Main Mass Image (for the best photo of the main
mass), and then the Owner field could be easily changed if the Meteoritical
Society finds out that the main mass was sold/traded to someone else. 
Anyway, just a thought.

In case you are wondering, I have no main masses in my collection.  :-(

Regards,
Bob L.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Holey Iron -Has 6 Natural Holes

[Bob Loeffler]

Natural hoes?  They do it for the money, naturally.   ;-)

Very cool iron, Ruben!

Bob L


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holey Iron -Has 6 Natural Holes

Just cleaned this 2 kilo iron today..  Has anyone ever seen a
small-ish iron with more natural hoes than this?

http://www.mrmeteorite.com/holeymeteorite.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] MOUNTAIN DEW WITH YOUR METEORITE PLEASE

[Bob Loeffler]

Ugh.  Some idiot has already bid $300 on it.   :-(

Bob L


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 1:02 AM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: [meteorite-list] MOUNTAIN DEW WITH YOUR METEORITE PLEASE

Hello Listers

I would like some Mountain Dew with my meteorite please ( As seen on TV and
results are not typical with meteorite)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-pound-meteorite-fell-my-farm-/220923557416?pt=LH_
DefaultDomain_0hash=item337011f628

Happy New Year
 
 Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?

[Bob Loeffler]

Thanks Paul and Chris.  I suggest those to him and see what he wants to do.

Regards,

Bob L



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul H.
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:47 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?

Bob Loeffler wrote:

Someone contacted me about finding a meteorite impact 
crater and wants to know who to contact to get it verified 
and then get credited for his find. He didn't say if he found 
any meteorites around/in it.  Any ideas of who he should 
contact?  He said it's in Colorado.'

In addition to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science,
he can also contact the Colorado Geological Survey at:

http://geosurvey.state.co.us/about/Pages/ContactUs.aspx
http://geosurvey.state.co.us/about/Pages/StaffDirectory.aspx

The local state geologists are well qualified for providing
opinions about potential meteorite impact craters. One of
their (geologic) mapping geologists would be the best 
person to contact.

Best wishes,

Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] Who to contact if an impact crater has been found?

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

I sent this email to the list yesterday morning, but I have not seen it come
through yet, so I’m sending it again.



Someone contacted me about finding a meteorite impact crater and wants to
know who to contact to get it verified and then get credited for his find. 
He didn’t say if he found any meteorites around/in it.  Any ideas of who he
should contact?  He said it’s in Colorado.

Thanks,
Bob L

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hammer Time - You Pick the Target!

[Bob Loeffler]

Happy Birthday, Mike.  My votes:

- The vinyl album with MC Hammer's songs:  Hammertime and Can't Touch
This (not sure if the album was ever recorded on vinyl)

- Another meteorite.  Then you would have two meteorites striking each other
and we could see what kind of damage occurs.  ;-)

Regards,

Bob L


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:38 PM
To: Galactic Stone  Ironworks
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hammer Time - You Pick the Target!

I was playing off your title Meteorite Hammer Time then immediately
thought about MC Hammer from back in the day. I thought about what would not
only have a good splat  but also give your hammer a good name. 

McDonalds poped in my head thus you MC Hammer.. its meteorite Hammertime
haha

Brandon D.

Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Brandon and List,

Cheesburgers - now that is an interesting one and it's going on the list.

And to all the veterans out there - thank you for doing what most of
us are too chickensh*t or too sane to do - fighting the good fight.

And happy belated birthday to the Marine Corps - Semper Fi, do or die,
gung ho, gung ho, gung ho!

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 11/12/11, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote:
 Happy Birthday Mike!

 I'd like to suggest you smash a platter of McDonalds Cheeseburgers... I
 would ask that I be able to acquire a fragment of your Mc hammer
afterwards
 though  :-)

 Have a good weekend everyone and Happy Veteran's Day(day late I know) to
my
 fellow Marines and all who have and do serve our great country. Ooh-
rah!!

 Brandon D.


 Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Robby, Doug, and List,

So far we have -

Tomato (or tomato filled with egg)

Dominoes

Birthday cake

Pinata

Car stereo


Keep them coming!

Best regards,

MikeG


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On 11/11/11, robbyhoov...@yahoo.com robbyhoov...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi mike,
 As a car stereo installer by trade.  I would love to see a car radio
 destroyed by a meteorite.
 Robby

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 11, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Listees,

 Let me state now, at the start, this post is SILLY.  If you are
 aggravated or offended by meteorite-related silliness on this List,
 then stop reading and delete this post now.

 Ok, you were warned.

 Tomorrow is my birthday (41 going on 16) and I have indulged in a rare
 pleasure - a few shots of Maker's Mark.  This has made me a bit silly
 and a pointless idea spontaneously erupted from my sodded brain...

 Have you ever wondered what would happen if a falling meteorite struck
 a certain object?

 Now you can find out.

 I have an unclassified NWA chondrite of dubious worth.  It is
 weathered.  It is ugly.  It's probably an H5 chondrite.  It weighs 851
 grams (1.87 pounds).

 Photos of the HAMMER SMASHER METEORITE :

 http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/smasher-1.jpg
 http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/smasher-2.jpg

 I am going to use this meteorite to SMASH objects that you nominate
 for destruction!

 Here is how this will work :

 I will accept nominations from the List for objects that will be
 hammered by this meteorite.

 Once a nomination is selected, I will take the object out into my
 backyard and place it on the ground.  I will set up a camera to
 capture the resulting mayhem on video.  I will then climb onto my roof
 and hurl the meteorite at the object with the intent of doing some
 serious damage to the target object.  Then I will upload the video to
 YouTube for hammer voyeurs around the world to watch.

 Some rules about nominating objects :

 1) I am a man of very modest means.  This means I cannot, and will
 not, smash any flat screen plasma televisions, iPads, Ferrari
 windshields, priceless antiques, or other objects which are expensive
 or difficult to acquire.  The objects nominated should be common items
 that are easily available and inexpensive.

 2) Resist the temptation to nominate politicians 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Bob Loeffler]

My 45g slice of Brahin that I bought from a well-known eBay met dealer fell
apart after I had it for almost 3 years.  :-(  It wasn't lacquered.  I won't
buy another one again.

Regards,

Bob L


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:08 AM
To: Adam
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

This is a horrific sight!

Looks like a Brenham I once had.  I removed it from my safe after a few
years of storage and it transformed itself into a flexible piece of garbage.
I now refer to it as The Blob  The only thing holding it together was the
thick lacquer coating the seller had applied. It held together long enough
to make it to my trashcan.  It was a very expensive lesson since Brenham
sold for $5.00/gram in the 90s and can now be had for as low as 20 cents a
gram for larger pieces.  I have never purchased any since at any price, same
for any other meteorite slices coated with lacquer or are bleeding
Laurencite ooze.

Take Care,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Dirk and list,

I was excited/hopeful to read about this, but unfortunately nothing about
that report screams Meteorites are possible to me.  Just a bright,
short-lived meteor in my mind.  And this quote doesn't make sense to me:  I
was facing almost directly North West, the meteor was moving to the left
(north).  If it was moving to the left, wouldn't that be west or south or
southwest?  North would be to his RIGHT.

Regards,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:32 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011

Dear List,  There was a bright fireball just reported from Ft. Collins,
Colorado in the US,
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/10/ft-collins-colorado-bright
-neon-green.html

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Dirk,

I saw none of that info on your website, so I thought the only details were
from that one guy (Jacob Bernal).  Am I missing something?  Do you have
links on that page that go to other accounts of observations?  I'm sorry if
I'm missing the big picture here, but I thought that page would have a bunch
of observations if other people saw it.  Or maybe you just haven't posted
them yet.  If that's the case, I would have to go searching the web and I
just don't have time to do that right now (getting married in 3 weeks).

Thanks and regards,

Bob



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From: drtanuki [mailto:drtan...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Bob Loeffler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011

Bob,  What do you need for a scream?  
Please list your scream requirements.

The event was seen in an area approximately 880 miles X 800 miles X 800
miles; the size of the event is noteable.  The Lincoln Nebraska Airport
video shows fragmentation.  Several witnesses report fragmentation.  There
is a good chance that the KC Airport Downtown has a video as well. Manitoba
Allsky maybe caught it?   I haven`t checked with Chris Peterson but there is
a chance he captured it as well?

Space trash unlikely from what I see in the video and from witness
reports... wrong speed and character.

  I say get busy, do your homework and make some calls.  More reports will
filter out later today when I have time to post them.  
Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

Ft. Collins dude hasn`t replied to my clarification questions.

--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote:

 From: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011
 To: 'drtanuki' drtan...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 11:25 PM
 Hi Dirk and list,
 
 I was excited/hopeful to read about this, but unfortunately
 nothing about
 that report screams Meteorites are possible to me. 
 Just a bright,
 short-lived meteor in my mind.  And this quote doesn't
 make sense to me:  I
 was facing almost directly North West, the meteor was
 moving to the left
 (north).  If it was moving to the left, wouldn't that
 be west or south or
 southwest?  North would be to his RIGHT.
 
 Regards,
 
 Bob
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 On Behalf Of drtanuki
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:32 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ft. Collins, CO meteor 19OCT2011
 
 Dear List,  There was a bright fireball just reported
 from Ft. Collins,
 Colorado in the US,

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/10/ft-collins-colorado-bright
 -neon-green.html
 
 Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 Denver Mineral Show

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Benjamin and List!

We have just posted pictures of the COMETS auction (in Sept. during the
Denver Mineral Show) and the October COMETS meeting which was held at the
Colorado School of Mines' Geology Museum in Golden, CO.

- Auction:
  http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/2011/2011show.htm

- Oct. meeting at CSM Geology Museum
  http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/2011/2011csm.htm

As for photos of the Denver Mineral Show, I will be posting those to the
Gallery page of the Show's website as soon as I can.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
Webmaster
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com

Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster
North Jeffco Gem  Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php

Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin
P. Sun
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2011 Denver Mineral Show

now that it's over, any photos or details about it? anyone?
any photos of the COMET auction too?
Wish I could've gone..
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Take 2

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Paul,

You might need a take 3.  :-)  If you click on the Previous link/button
and then the Next link/button, it doesn't go to the next day.  I'm using
Windows XP and IE 8.

Regards,

Bob

P.S. I write application and website code and test it (and others' code), so
I know what you are talking about.  :-)


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
valpar...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:15 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Take 2

Egg on face! 

Typical, though. In my experience as a software developer, the intro of a
product invariably produces an error in front of the customer, despite the
hours of testing that were done. The severity of the error and the
probability thereof seem to be directly proportional to the square of the
distance from home.

Please try it again   www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp

Humble apologies.

Paul
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Spoof Mocumentary up

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all!

This is very funny!  McCartney showed it to us last night at the COMETS
auction.  Very well done!  A must see!

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of McCartney
Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:54 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Spoof Mocumentary up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQyLEbCdn8w
Secret Dangers of Meteorite Hunting
8 minutes. PG rated.

It is up!  For those who want to know the dark underbelly of meteorite
hunting, this is for you. The true dangers of meteorite hunters
everywhere, in every country.

Flamethrower and nades not included. Some dis-assembly required.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Offtopic Filter

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Jim,

I think Sergei was trying to make a point.  :-)  There are too many people
on this list who do stray from the topic of meteorites.  NASA going after an
ex-astronaut to get an old camera back has NOTHING to do with meteorites.

Regards,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Wooddell
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 1:43 PM
To: Sergei Schmalz
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Offtopic Filter

Sergei,

Most email clients, both online and computer based, such as Outlook,
etc. have just what you ask for.  You might try looking at your own
filters.

Cheers,

Jim Wooddell


On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sergei Schmalz sergius...@yahoo.de wrote:
 Greetings!

 Please, could we have a filter, which, when switched on for a particular
subscribed user, would filter out all offtopic non-meteorite messages
(marked, say, by OT)? It's becoming a big daily burden to have to delete
manually or even look through all these massive offtopic messages coming
into my email box. Come on, I really dont have a need of NASA suing someone
for a camera or Crabs out there on a METEORITE list! There's a plenty of
other astronomy discussion boards and lists for that purpose.

 Thank you.

 With best regards
 Sergei Schmalz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

[Bob Loeffler]

I agree.  To put it bluntly, the woman is an idiot.  She was an idiot even
before that show was on TV.  Unfortunately, some people will believe
anything.  We would have to remove most of the TV shows and revamp all
marketing laws in the U.S. if we were going to protect these people from
themselves.

I've seen it a lot in the rockhounding/mineralogy world... people selling
mineral crystals to unsuspecting individuals for 3 times the going rate and
telling them that the crystals have healing powers and/or auras.  Some
people actually believe it (so they are getting what the paid for), but I've
seen others buy the crystals and have a confused look on their faces, so
it's obvious that they don't see or feel the healing or aura, but they buy
it anyway because the seller was charismatic or marketed it very well and
talked them into buying it.  I don't like that and wish we could make that
tactic illegal here, but as far as I know, there is nothing we can do about
it because we can't disprove it (no scientific tests to prove or disprove
that a crystal has special powers or auras).

Regards,

Bob



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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and
Kirk
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:00 AM
To: dorifry; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

Wowterribly tragic that someone would be so foolish to trade 
everything that they had, for some supposed valuable' meteorites.

Don't think the TV show had much to do with it though, any semi-intelligent 
person would have checked the rocks out first before agreeing to any kind 
of a deal such as was presentedas I said-WOW!!

Kirk..:-)

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From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.


 Count:

 There's nothing you can do for the poor suckers. There's a chump born 
 every minute. You can't blame people's stupidity on a TV show. People were

 dumb way before they had television. Stupidity is genetic, it has nothing 
 to do with TV. Can you blame Antiques Roadshow for the dummie that 
 traded his house for a phony Stradivarius because he saw an episode about 
 how much Strads were worth? I don't think so. If you're born dumb, you can

 take steps to improve  your intelligence. If you choose not to, you must 
 suffer the consequences. Just don't say the TV made me do it.

 Phil Whitmer
 - Original Message - 
 From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: i...@imcamail.de
 Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:48 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.


 Hello to all,

 May I share an experience I had yesterday afternoon that saddened me and 
 left me questioning the merits of sensationalizing the trade in 
 meteorites.

 I recently began inserting a free  announcement in a nationally read 
 online list stating simply that I BUY METEORITES. Included in the 
 announcement are some simple qualifying tests that I hope will weed out 
 most of the wrongs. I advise that if it turns out that you have a 
 meteorite I will charge you $25.00 for the initial examination and I will

 help you get it confirmed and classified if you wish. If the find is 
 terrestrial I will not charge any fee and I will suggest you get a second

 opinion.

 Well, this has worked out pretty well. I've had a half dozen calls in the

 last six weeks and several of those have resulted in finds. One 
 particular 100 gram individual has already been classified as a rare type

 and I was able to secure a nice slice for my collection.

 Then this happened. I received a call from a young woman who said she was

 in a neighboring State and had traded all she had for over a hundred 
 pounds of irons and wanted to know how much were they going for. She 
 used a few meteoritical terms to proudly describe her acquisitions, but I

 could tell she had gotten whatever she had learned from whatever source a

 bit wrong. She talked fast and excitedly saying her meteorites were 
 really heavy and magnetic. She insisted she had studied and knew they 
 were meteorites. All of them.

 She went on to say that she had sold her fifth wheel trailer in 
 Quartsite, Arizona and the man who bought it was a rock dealer and had 
 suggested she trade everything in the travel trailer for these 
 meteorites. She now wanted to cash in and would I be interested. She 
 said she would meet me in a few days, but low and behold she arrived the 
 next afternoon.

 Now picture this. It was 112 degrees when she and her husband and five 
 kids, ages three months to thirteen, arrive in a beat up Chevy truck with

 all their possessions stacked up in the back. And no air conditioning. 
 After I dispensed bottles of water and got the tribe into the shade, she 
 excitedly announced let's look at the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

[Bob Loeffler]

Yes, very good idea, Bob K!  And Geoff and Steve could compare the
meteorwrongs with their best meteorites to keep met fans happy (instead of
just showing meteorwrongs).  I am one person who doesn't care about
meteorwrongs, so I would want to see real mets next to the metwrongs
(side-by-side) to keep me interested in watching.  :-)

Another idea for an episode would be a best of meteorites, where Geoff and
Steve could travel around the U.S. to show the viewer the best meteorite
specimens in the U.S.  And they could do it for each continent or
sub-continent/region (like Europe).  That type of episode could get
expensive, though.  Or maybe they could show the best of their own
collections.  I don't know... I’m just blabbing now.  :-)

Everybody have a great weekend (Independence Day weekend here in the U.S.)!

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count
Deiro
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:31 AM
To: Bob King; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

Bob said perhaps we could suggest an episode...

Outstanding idea! I believe the producers could jazz it up enough to make it
a popular segment. It would also do a lot to shut down criticism of the boys
and their exploits.

Best to all,

Count Deiro
OMCA 3536 MetSoc

-Original Message-
From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 3, 2011 8:09 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

Hi everyone,
I don't have cable and haven't seen the Meteorite Men programs, but
perhaps we could suggest an episode to Steve and Geoff on how to tell
fake meteorites from real ones, meteorite look-alikes, learning how
best to tell them apart on eBay and the like. Members of the list
could even contribute pictures or Meteorite Men could visit the homes
of a couple list members who have the best meteorwrong collections. I
could even see them doing interviews with several people who bought
fake meteorites. I think the consumer would find a show like this very
interesting. In the long run, it would help those ignorant of
meteorites get a more realistic view of their rarity as well as to
learn to exercise some caution. Of course, maybe they've already done
a program like this, I don't know. Just a thought.
Bob


 May I share an experience I had yesterday afternoon that saddened me and
left me questioning the merits of sensationalizing the trade in meteorites.

 I recently began inserting a free  announcement in a nationally read
online list stating simply that I BUY METEORITES. Included in the
announcement are some simple qualifying tests that I hope will weed out most
of the wrongs. I advise that if it turns out that you have a meteorite I
will charge you $25.00 for the initial examination and I will help you get
it confirmed and classified if you wish. If the find is terrestrial I will
not charge any fee and I will suggest you get a second opinion.

 Well, this has worked out pretty well. I've had a half dozen calls in
the last six weeks and several of those have resulted in finds. One
particular 100 gram individual has already been classified as a rare type
and I was able to secure a nice slice for my collection.

 Then this happened. I received a call from a young woman who said she
was in a neighboring State and had traded all she had for over a hundred
pounds of irons and wanted to know how much were they going for. She
used a few meteoritical terms to proudly describe her acquisitions, but I
could tell she had gotten whatever she had learned from whatever source a
bit wrong. She talked fast and excitedly saying her meteorites were really
heavy and magnetic. She insisted she had studied and knew they were
meteorites. All of them.

 She went on to say that she had sold her fifth wheel trailer in
Quartsite, Arizona and the man who bought it was a rock dealer and had
suggested she trade everything in the travel trailer for these meteorites.
She now wanted to cash in and would I be interested. She said she would meet
me in a few days, but low and behold she arrived the next afternoon.

 Now picture this. It was 112 degrees when she and her husband and five
kids, ages three months to thirteen, arrive in a beat up Chevy truck with
all their possessions stacked up in the back. And no air conditioning. After
I dispensed bottles of water and got the tribe into the shade, she excitedly
announced let's look at the meteorites and ordered her quiet and unassuming
husband to lug the boxes and briefcases out from under the stroller and baby
food into my garage.

 The instant the first of the samples were lovingly laid out on my bench
it was apparent to me they were terrestrial rocks. She had at least fifty
pounds of slag and even large and small chunks of basalt and sandstone.
She picked up the rocks one after the other for me to admire while all the
while chattering 

Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi John and Jim,

Thanks for the clarifications.  Every piece of hematite that I've had has
been attracted to a magnet, but as you said, it probably had other iron with
it.

And what I meant by hematite is a metal was that it is a metal as far as
most people are concerned.  It is 70% iron and looks and feels like metal,
so most people will call it a metal even thought that is not the chemical
term (metal oxide).

Regards,

Bob



-Original Message-
From: John Hendry [mailto:p...@pict.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:09 PM
To: Bob Loeffler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule

Hematite/Haematite is not a metal. It's a metal oxide as you go on to say.
Any free iron included within a hematite mass would be native iron and not
hematite.

Regards,
John


On 14/06/2011 13:48, Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote:

Hi Greg,

Hematite IS a metal, so that's what I would expect to see in a hematite
nodule.  Some will be completely oxidized (rusted) so that there is no
more
visible metal left in them, but others will still have some metal in them.
Hematite is Iron and Oxygen (Fe2O3), so that's why it's attracted to a
magnet.

Bob L



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Stone
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:25 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule


List:

Has anyone cut a hematite nodule and found what looks like metal. Looks
the
same as the metal in meteorites.

Could it be Specular Hematite?

It is very magnetic (magnet attraction)

Much Thanks,

Greg S
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Re: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Greg,

Hematite IS a metal, so that's what I would expect to see in a hematite
nodule.  Some will be completely oxidized (rusted) so that there is no more
visible metal left in them, but others will still have some metal in them.
Hematite is Iron and Oxygen (Fe2O3), so that's why it's attracted to a
magnet.

Bob L



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Stone
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:25 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Metal? in a Hematite Nodule


List:

Has anyone cut a hematite nodule and found what looks like metal. Looks the
same as the metal in meteorites.

Could it be Specular Hematite?

It is very magnetic (magnet attraction)

Much Thanks,

Greg S
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Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Gary,

I think you missed the point when Mike said There are all those great
meteorite gurus over on the eastern side of Colorado but Blaine and Blake
are the only really knowledgeable meteorite people over here on the western
side that I am aware of.  He WAS talking about Anne, Matt and Mike J
because they are all in eastern Colorado.  :-)  There are a few others in
eastern CO, but those are the most well-known or famous... or in Anne's
case... infamous.   ;-)

BTW, Blaine does seem like a really good guy; I've never met Blake.

Regards,

Bob L.
Located in eastern Colorado, but not as knowledgable as Anne,
Matt and Mike J.
COMETS
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Fujihara
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:13 PM
To: Michael Murray
Cc: MeteorList
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed

Aloha Mike,

I share your sentiments regarding Blaine and Blake, but ...

Don't forget Anne Black of Impactika (http://www.impactika.com/), Matt
Morgan of Mile High Meteorites (http://www.mhmeteorites.com/), and Mike
Jensen of Jensen Meteorites (http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/).  All of them
are based in Colorado and are wonderful people quite knowledgeable in
meteorites.  

gary

On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Michael Murray wrote:

 Blaine is great.  He is plenty knowledgeable when it comes to meteorites
and seems willing to share that info.  I have had the pleasure of meeting
Blaine but so far have not had an opportunity to meed Blake.  Hope to some
day though.  I would imagine they work together and share the interest.
There are all those great meteorite gurus over on the eastern side of
Colorado but Blaine and Blake are the only really knowledgeable meteorite
people over here on the western side that I am aware of.
 Mike in CO
 
 On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Dave Gheesling wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who
 most of you surely know by now.  Follow this link, click Featured, then
 click Deport and read the brief Remarks:
 http://www.fallingrocks.com/collection.htm  Such a pleasure to do
business
 with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to.
 
 Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently
made
 my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated!
 
 All the best,
 
 Dave Gheesling
 IMCA #5967
 www.fallingrocks.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Michael and all,

I’ve been on the list for about 3.5 years now and I remember very well some
of Mike’s lunatic rantings, so those of you who have been on the list longer
than I have should also remember (and I’ve been told that it was even worse
before I was on the list).

But, the only thing that I was “unhappy” about was when you (Michael) talked
about Mike’s medical issues.  I understand that you wanted people to know
WHY Michael is the way he is, but it’s not your decision to talk about that.
Nobody should talk about someone else’s medical situation in a forum like
this.  I work for a medical software company and we see tons of patient
information all the time.  If I were to mention something about a patient, I
would be fined by the government and then fired (and I don’t even work for
the gov’t).  We don’t have to worry about that here on the list, but it just
goes to show that the gov’t is serious about keeping private health
information PRIVATE, so we all should do the same.

I’ve seen you have a few lunatic rantings over the years, too, so you might
want to be careful (as Eric just mentioned in his last post).

I didn’t like it when some people wanted to cast their vote on whether Art
should let Mike back on the list or not.  We shouldn’t pressure Art one way
or another (so I’m not going to “vote” on it) since he is the boss of this
list.  He’ll do what he thinks is best for the list.

BTW, I’m glad Mike and Robert are safe now.  I don’t know either of them
personally, but I’m sure that they are good people and don’t deserve to be
locked up in a foreign country.

Regards,
Bob


From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:37 PM
To: Met. Eric Wichman Escondido; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home

Jim, Gary, Eric and all,

    No, it is NOT a joke. There is nothing funny about
This situation at all.

    I stated NOTHING in my post Mike has is not born
Out in Mike's own public statements. (though Jim informs
Me it may have been a different prescription drug he gets
Out of Mexico) - hell folks, where have you been? READ THE
STINKING ARCHIVES.

    If you all really cared about Mike's welfare you would
Be trying to support him in getting professional help, get on
prescribed medication and get stabilized.

    You are all having knee jerk reactions. Think about it. If
Mike were your brother wouldn't you want to see him get
proper treatment?

    Mike is home safe - thank God. While he was in danger I
Did everything possible I could to minimize any negative impact
On him. The list started yammering about it and I pointed out we
Needed to remain silent lest we make matters worse for Mike and
Rob.  

    John Blennert gave the talk before the auction and we agreed
It should not be telecast, as John went through a very similar
situation in Oman a couple of years ago and Omani officials offered
him $235,000 to get Mike back on Omani territory (so they could
Incarcerate him). John TOLD Mike this upon his return and Mike
Acted like John was blaming him for John's incarceration.

    This is ALSO NOT NEW INFORMATION - but somehow
This group seems to think since Mike has been through a hard
Time of late we should pretend he doesn't have a problem.

    Mike isn't going to listen to me because I am strait with him
AND NO ONE ELSE seems to be willing to or they somehow just
Don't see the self destructive behavior right in front of their face.

    If you all think everything Mike does does not add up to a
Big problem for HIM, or, you just don't get it, or you just don't
Think it is your place to confront him with his self destructive
Behavior -- well, folks, I don't know what to tell you, but I can't
Do that to a friend. (Yes, I am sure Mike does not consider me
A friend right now - but as far as I am concerned, I am the only
One who is really relating to him as a friend).

    Oh, ya, you can tell yourselves what I have said is not friendly.
Well, what I think is not friendly is seeing a brother in trouble and
Being unwilling to deal with him about it.

    I am dumbfounded at people's reactions - do you think that just
Because he could have had his hands cut off or been in prison for
Years or even put to death that that means we should all pretend
He didn't put himself in that position AFTER it was clearly explained
To him by John Blennert that Oman was OUT TO GET HIM?

    - Going to a KINGDOM you HAVE BEEN TOLD is out to get you
    - Self medicating with serious prescription drugs
    - Being a business man who regularly bursts into ranting and
Raving at potential customers and co-businessmen
    These are all serious self destructive behaviors. So, Greg, Jim
And Eric, if you really give a damn about Mike's welfare Don't just
say, Hooray! You got back safe THIS TIME., 

Re: [meteorite-list] Twice Blessed Yankee Lobsterman

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Dave,

I was only trying to tell you that those are not official meteorites, but if
you were well aware that the two Round Pond meteorites had not been
mentioned with official citations, I would think that you would be well
aware that they then cannot be considered meteorites (since they have not
been officially classified).

Regarding wasting our time and what your style is, I have not seen too many
postings from you, so I have no idea what your style is or whether you were
wasting our time.  From what you said in your e-mail, I assumed you were a
meteorite newbie, not just a newbie to this list.  Like I said above, I
was just trying to let you know that they aren't official (so you probably
won't find many details about them).

If you had told us that the Maine Geological Survey mentioned them on their
website, maybe that could've helped us research it, don't you think?  And
next time, you might want to say that you have already done some research
and therefore others who want to help you won't repeat what you have already
done.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David
Gunning
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:05 AM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Twice Blessed Yankee Lobsterman


Hi Rob  Elton,

Believe it or not, guys, I was well aware that the two Round Pond
meteorites had not been mentioned with official citations.  You think I
would want to waste peoples time without first getting the factual lay of
an issue?  That's not my style.

I first learned about the Round Pond meteorites on a web site hosted by
the Maine Geological Survey.  Unless I'm mistaken that information is
offered by the Maine Geological Survey without qualifiers.  Because of
the source, I took the information at face value, statistically
improbable or not.

There is another Maine meteorite report that references a 321 lb.
metallic stone having been found on the shore of Great Chebeague Island
in Casco Bay, in 1973.  As I lived on a neighboring island in Casco Bay
for five years and never heard of it PLUS the lack of mention by the
Maine Geological Survey in any of their public literature, I did not make
mention of that particular meteorite in my original query to the list.

I mean, how on earth could an islander hide a 321 lb. metallic stone
meteorite.   .   .without half the other islanders knowing about it?
Talk about your statistical improbabilities.  .  .  !

Now, if it turns-out that the story of the lobsterman meteorite finder
was either factually incorrect or a creative fabrication on the part of
the State of Maine and the Maine Geological Survey I would suggest to all
interested parties, from the Governor on down, that the citizens of
Maine, myself included, deserve better than to be fibbed to in such a
bald faced manner.

I'd like to know the Maine peat bog location you've referenced, Elton, if
it's not too much trouble.

Best wishes,

Dave Gunning






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Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Show: COMETS Auction/Party photos

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You are welcome, Bernd!

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show: COMETS Auction/Party photos

Hi Bob and List,

http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/2010/2010show.htm

Very much appreciated!
Thanks for sharing!

Bernd (just back fom his daughter's 42nd birthday :-)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Twice Blessed Yankee Lobsterman

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any mention of either meteorite in the
Meteorical Bulletin database, so those two meteorites were probably never
proven to be real meteorites.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler



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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:44 PM
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Cc: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net
Subject: [meteorite-list] Twice Blessed Yankee Lobsterman


Greetings to all from this brand new list newbie.  Wondering if anyone
has any info on a Maine coastal double meteorite find at Round Pond,
Maine, that occurred several years ago?

Seems a lobsterman was hauling his lobster boat up the public boat ramp
and out of the water for the winter season, back in 1953.  Happening to
glance down at the ground at his feet and spied a 5 lb. 10 oz. meteorite
quietly sunning itself on the rocky beach.  A remarkable find and made
all the more remarkable, perhaps, by the fact that the same lobsterman,
16 years later in 1969, hauling the same boat out of the same harbor, at
the same public boat ramp, glanced down at his feet and found another
meteorite, a 6 lb. 4 oz. beauty sunning itself, as well, midst the great
slabs of metamorphosed granite and gneiss.  Maine's only double meteorite
find.

I am trying to find-out what type and classification those two coastal
sun bathing lobster loving meteorites are (were) and their eventual fate.

Anyone knows the ultimate disposition of these two missing Maine
lobsterized meteorites, please pass the butter, and let me know.  Thanks.

Best wishes,

Dave Gunning


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[meteorite-list] Denver Show: COMETS Auction/Party photos

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

Last night I posted a bunch of pictures from the COMETS annual Auction and
Party during the Denver Shows.  You can see the pictures at:

http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/2010/2010show.htm

Enjoy!!!

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of McCartney
Taylor
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:22 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Dealers - Thank You

To all the Denver dealers I interviewed. A great big thank you!

I got some great video of advice for new collectors that will help bring
in new collectors and keep them. I'll be putting the footage together
for a orientation video that should help the industry as a whole.

As to the second video, the Spoof project, Thank you all who
participated in that. All I can say now, is I damn near laughed my butt
off in reviewing the footage. Give me a few months to edit that up
properly and release it. 

-mt

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show!!!

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Shawn,

A couple of the shows have already opened to the public, including the
Colorado Mineral and Fossil Show at the Holiday Inn which opened today.
There are usually several meteorite dealers at that show.  Their website is:
http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_fall.htm

The Denver Gem and Mineral Show (some people call it the main show or the
club show) opens to the public on Friday morning at 9am.  This one has one
meteorite dealer (Meteorhall) and is located at the Denver Merchandise Mart.
The show's website is:  http://www.DenverMineralShow.com

And KD Meteorites is at the Coliseum Show again this year.  That show's
website is:  http://www.coliseumshow.com

I don't think any of the other shows in Denver will have any meteorites, but
I could be wrong.

As for a sneak peek of the hottest items, I'll have to leave that up to the
other listoids.  I won't be able to make it to the others shows because I'll
be working at the main Show until Sunday.

Hopefully some people will take photos of the meteorites and people in
Denver.  I hope to go to the COMETS Auction and Party on Friday night.  If I
do, I'll try to take photos and then put them on the COMETS website (link
below).

Oh, I met John Kashuba today at the Colorado School of Mines' Geology Museum
Open House tonight.  Very nice guy.  Anne Black, Dan Wray and his wife were
also there, along with at least 100 other people who love rocks, minerals,
gems (and I'm sure meteorites too).  Dan Wray helped set up the meteorites
displays at the museum over the past year and they look wonderful, so if you
are in the Denver area for the Show, or later on, check out the School of
Mines Geology Museum.  It's FREE every day.

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS (COlorado METeorite Society)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com

Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster
North Jeffco Gem  Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php

Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:25 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show!!!

Hello Listers,

I am wondering how the Denver show is looking. I did read that some dealers
were going to be there as early as Monday. I know the show really doesnt
start till tomorrow, but I wonder if any of the Listers have a sneak peek
preview of the show and what the hottest selling items are. And photo would
be great :)

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBaystore
 
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2010 Denver Show

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

We also have the info on the COMETS website:

http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS

Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster
North Jeffco Gem  Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
csac...@triad.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:39 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2010 Denver Show

Thanks Ann! I didn't see the previous posting. Take care.

 impact...@aol.com wrote: 
 Hey Carl, and List,
  
 Of course there is a Get-together and Auction!
 I announced it a couple weeks ago, and posted it on my website. Here, take

 a look:
  
 _http://www.impactika.com/10DShow.doc_ 
 (http://www.impactika.com/10DShow.doc) 
  
 And since the Show is only a week away, maybe it is not too late to remind

 you all who are coming that you can contact me off-list and send me a 
 listing of what you want to enter in the Auction.
  
 Any other questions?
  
 Anne M. Black
 _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
 _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
  
  
  
 In a message dated 9/7/2010 2:42:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
 csac...@triad.rr.com writes:
 Hey Comets,
 
 Is there an auction or dinner planned for the Denver show next week?
 
 Thanks, Carl
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Greg,

I admire your passion to get this museum up and running, but do you have a
real financial plan thought out, written up and ready to execute?  This
almost seems like when I was 8 years old and I wanted to start a museum with
dinosaur models in it.  This doesn't sound financially sound and you could
lose more money than you are expecting to. What happens if you get donations
for a year (so you sign the contract with the building owner), but then the
donations dry up the next year?  Do you have to move the museum into your
basement?  Will you be giving the donated specimens back to everyone who
donated them (and therefore you will pay the shipping out of your own
pocket)?  There are probably laws regarding these types of things (so a
person couldn't start there own museum and then run with the specimens), but
I don't know anything about that.  Maybe someone else can help you with
that.

I've heard that museums cannot sell any donated items if they want to
dispose of them; they MUST send them back to the original donator OR throw
them away in the trash.  I heard this from a reputable source, but I didn't
hear if this is a law or just the policy of the museum that I was talking to
him about (which I cannot mention the name of because I don't want to get
him in trouble in case this is just that museum's policy).

I really hope this all works out for you and everyone involved, but it
doesn't sound like you have a solid plan yet.  Maybe you do and just haven't
told us about it.

Regards,

Bob 


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:13 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help

Thanks for the emails and donations so far. Once I get the doors open, I
will be asking those who offered advertising for the help that has been
kindly offered.

$100 of the amount needed has been raised up to this point.
I forgot to include a link to the site I set up with information on the
museum project.
http://meteoritemuseum.info/


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:46 AM
 Hi to all, I hope everyone is doing
 good.
 I have found a new building for the museum, its $200 less
 per month (only $600 vs $800) and has a good amount more
 floor space (8000 square feet)
 
 It is going to cost about $1200 per month for the museum
 once rent, utilities, security, insurance and so forth is
 accounted for.
 I am asking for anyone who wants to contribute to email me
 asap.
 I am accepting donations and also discounting my stock for
 quick sale to get the $2600 I need to get the building and
 open the doors. I have about 10 days to get the money for
 this.
 
 I dont know how much I will be able to cover by myself with
 my limited income, so the land owner and I have worked out a
 3 month trial lease to see if I will be able to sustain the
 costs of this. 
 
 Its not something I will make a profit off ever, any money
 that comes in above the monthly costs will go into the
 museum to help growth.
 
 My plan to help with monthly costs includes a gift store
 that will sell meteorites and a low admission fee - other
 then that, Its on me to raise the cash.
 
 I have been provided some awesome NWA meteorites by one of
 the nicest people in the meteorite field to sell to help
 raise the money needed, they are available for sale at
 modest prices, contact me for more on these.
 
 Contributors will have a space for thanks and recognition
 at the museum as well as Richard Norton, who the museum is
 being named after, to honor him, his contributions to the
 field and for the wonderful books he left for all meteorite
 collectors, new and old.
 
 I have tried to get the cash myself, but just cant do it.
 
 Those interested in helping, or wanting to learn more about
 the project, please contact me off list, thanks,
 
 Greg Catterton
 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
 IMCA member 4682
 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
 On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
 
 
 
 
 
       
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Greg,

I'm sorry, I didn't see the sentence about all of the meteorites at the
museum will be from your personal collection.  That does make it easier for
you (a lot less liability).

I hope it all goes well!

Bob Loeffler
b...@peaktopeak.com
Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster
North Jeffco Gem  Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com

Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3



-Original Message-
From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:b...@peaktopeak.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:08 PM
To: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com'
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help

Hi Greg,

I admire your passion to get this museum up and running, but do you have a
real financial plan thought out, written up and ready to execute?  This
almost seems like when I was 8 years old and I wanted to start a museum with
dinosaur models in it.  This doesn't sound financially sound and you could
lose more money than you are expecting to. What happens if you get donations
for a year (so you sign the contract with the building owner), but then the
donations dry up the next year?  Do you have to move the museum into your
basement?  Will you be giving the donated specimens back to everyone who
donated them (and therefore you will pay the shipping out of your own
pocket)?  There are probably laws regarding these types of things (so a
person couldn't start there own museum and then run with the specimens), but
I don't know anything about that.  Maybe someone else can help you with
that.

I've heard that museums cannot sell any donated items if they want to
dispose of them; they MUST send them back to the original donator OR throw
them away in the trash.  I heard this from a reputable source, but I didn't
hear if this is a law or just the policy of the museum that I was talking to
him about (which I cannot mention the name of because I don't want to get
him in trouble in case this is just that museum's policy).

I really hope this all works out for you and everyone involved, but it
doesn't sound like you have a solid plan yet.  Maybe you do and just haven't
told us about it.

Regards,

Bob 


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:13 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help

Thanks for the emails and donations so far. Once I get the doors open, I
will be asking those who offered advertising for the help that has been
kindly offered.

$100 of the amount needed has been raised up to this point.
I forgot to include a link to the site I set up with information on the
museum project.
http://meteoritemuseum.info/


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum update - call for help
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 10:46 AM
 Hi to all, I hope everyone is doing
 good.
 I have found a new building for the museum, its $200 less
 per month (only $600 vs $800) and has a good amount more
 floor space (8000 square feet)
 
 It is going to cost about $1200 per month for the museum
 once rent, utilities, security, insurance and so forth is
 accounted for.
 I am asking for anyone who wants to contribute to email me
 asap.
 I am accepting donations and also discounting my stock for
 quick sale to get the $2600 I need to get the building and
 open the doors. I have about 10 days to get the money for
 this.
 
 I dont know how much I will be able to cover by myself with
 my limited income, so the land owner and I have worked out a
 3 month trial lease to see if I will be able to sustain the
 costs of this. 
 
 Its not something I will make a profit off ever, any money
 that comes in above the monthly costs will go into the
 museum to help growth.
 
 My plan to help with monthly costs includes a gift store
 that will sell meteorites and a low admission fee - other
 then that, Its on me to raise the cash.
 
 I have been provided some awesome NWA meteorites by one of
 the nicest people in the meteorite field to sell to help
 raise the money needed, they are available for sale at
 modest prices, contact me for more on these.
 
 Contributors will have a space for thanks and recognition
 at the museum as well as Richard Norton, who the museum is
 being named after, to honor him, his contributions to the
 field and for the wonderful books he left for all meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite

[Bob Loeffler]

From the first sentence of the article: Jan Marszel looked up in amazement
as he saw a small, dark round object hurtle towards him...

I doubt that they would've seen it coming directly at them before it hit,
because it is small and travelling at 200mph (or more).  It might be a
meteorite, but it don't think it arrived as they suggest.

Bob Loeffler


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 9:26 AM
To: Tom Randall (KB2SMS); Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sussex man hit by meteorite

Hi Tom  all,
Unfortunately, there are four factors strongly working
Against the likelihood of this actually being a meteorite:
1) In the photo the specimen appears to have rust marks - not
A possibility for a fresh fall.
2) There appeared to be no matrix vs fusion crusted outer portion
3) It seems most unlikely a meteorite would split in two after hitting
A lawn covered field
4) I hear it is extremely common for every manor of thing to be
 thrown at soccer matches.
I would love to be wrong.
Michael

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[meteorite-list] No buildings or alien-made structures on Mars (was Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? - NOT!!)

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi James,

You can believe whatever you want, but I think the reason why you aren't
selling any books is because nobody else believes you.  You had said that
there are some who said that they see what you are seeing, but if that was
the case, wouldn't THEY buy your book?

 By the way, we never heard from the folks that could see it!

Exactly!  If others on this list could see what you are seeing, wouldn't
they say so?  If I stare at a speck of dirt (or the texturized blobs) on the
wall long enough, my IMAGINATION will start to see different shapes in it.
But that doesn't mean that there is anything really there besides dirt or
texturized blobs.

I seriously hope you get help (read: medicine) for your delusional
condition.

Regards,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of James
Balister
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:40 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? - NOT!!

Warren,  you and all others here are NOT stupid!  Remember I said that some
will be able to see them and others will not.  I know many who can and many
who can not.  And yes I read the works of Plato back in 57, Atlantis was
interesting!  I loved Charles fort's books, and I even read My Strugle!  
But I do hope that you now see that my Mars research, which actually stems
from my interest in meteorites, is nothing.  And will never be.  But some
day some OFFICIAL will anounce that they just discoverd buildings on Mars
and show you my picture.  But you and I know that we knew it all along.  By
the way, we never heard from the folks that could see it!
Now lets get back to meteorites!  I live in Wisconsin and still have not
gotten to the new strewn field!  How about you?  



- Original Message 
 From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com
 To: balisterja...@att.net
 Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 9:14:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? - NOT!!
 
 
To continue arguing with someone with an IQ 165 is apparently serving me no 
 purpose. I'm too stupid and ignorant to see a gray house , dog and half
human. I 
 give up, you win. You're so intelligent that you can see a gray house from
miles 
 above the surface of Mars. I get it.

You win. 

The folks at NASA 
 are dedicating their lives to searching out life in any form on Mars just
to 
 cover up the fact that a half human and a dog live in a gray house just
down the 
 road from where they are looking.

I choose to be considered hard headed 
 and misguided until such time occurs that I can see the gray house and
half 
 human. 

Since you are so intelligent (Your claim, NOT mine) I would like 
 to know if you are at all familiar with Plato's works?  

Warren 
 Sansoucie



 Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 21:09:24 -0700
 
 From:  href=mailto:balisterja...@att.net;balisterja...@att.net
 To:  ymailto=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 

href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-l...@meteoritece
ntral.com
 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? - NOT!!
 
 
 I found it on the new High Res. Pics.  Now this is direct from 
 NASA/JPL.  If you cant see this then you never will!  I call this the 
 Gray house, Dog and Half Human.  Check it 
 out!

http://www.mapaplanet.org/explorer-bin/explorer.cgi?map=Marslayers=v2mars_v
iking_bwwest=192.84south=14.32east=190.53north=15.52¢er_lat=0¢er=191.69
defaultcenter=ongrid=nonestretch=noneprojection=SIMPr=1g=1b=1advoptio
n=NOinfo=NOresolution=256scale=0.46270imageTopX=-136833.5494101048image
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Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Hunting Statistics

[Bob Loeffler]

I disagree. Entertainment and food should NOT be counted as field expenses.
As Ryan mentioned, you have to eat food no matter whether you are out
collecting meteorites or staying at home watching TV.  I would understand a
*percentage* of food costs should be allowed because the cost of food in
some areas will be higher than normal, but I don't know what a good
percentage would be.

As for entertainment, that should not be allowed because that could skew
your numbers drastically.  For example, if Geoff, Steve #1 Arnold, Ruben,
etc go to a nudie bar and drink shots of alcohol, the total bill could run
into the hundreds or thousands of $$$ (hahaha) and that shouldn't be
included since they could do all of that in Tucson.  That's an extreme
example, but I know that there is always at least one get together on
these types of field trips.  Only expenses that are in addition to what you
would normally have from your daily lives should be included.

You (Eric) are the one who is compiling this list, so you make the rules,
but I (and many others) won't believe the results if you include stuff like
that.  When I go on a trip for my company, they want all receipts and an
expense report and then they go through each item one by one to see what
they will reimburse me for and what they won't.  Most entertainment expenses
are NOT reimbursed because the Federal government has rules and regulations
that companies have to abide by.

Regards,

Bob



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Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:16 PM
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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Hunting Statistics

Food is still an expense. As is entertainment while on a business 
trip... All expenses should be included while on the road, as they are 
still expenses. Many hunters don't have time to go to the grocery 
store, so to save time they eat out, which adds to the total. Any money 
spent on the recovery of meteorites in the field are expenses.

Regards,
Eric



On 5/9/2010 11:00 AM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 Hi Eric...

 Just wondering why food should be included for expenses. Don't people eat
when they're not on a hunting expedition? Sure, eating out may be more
expensive, but this isn't exactly fine dining were talking about here. -
Standard fare.

 Ryan


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 From: Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com
 Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 10:30:10
 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Hunting Statistics

 Hi listees and fellow meteorite hunters in the field. I'm back from the
 field and I'm compiling (unscientifically) some statistical data that
 I've not yet seen anyone attempt to calculate in any way but a cursory
 manner thus far. If you've hunted the WI meteorite fall, and have data
 you'd like to share, please send me an email with your hunting
 information/statistics.

 Primarily what I'm looking for is totals, hours hunted, days hunted,
 meteorites found, and costs associated with this hunt. I'd like to do
 this while WI is fresh in everyone's minds and I think that will provide
 the most reliable information, and also give some an idea of the costs
 in time and money that go into recovering meteorites from the field.

 Please send in the following format to make it easier to add all totals.
 If you can think of any other data that should be included in this list,
 please feel free to respond on-list so others can add their input.

 I will be including all my totals as well in this data.

 Total Days In The Field:
 Total Hours Hunted Per Day:
 Total Miles Walked Per Day:
 Total Costs: (including airfare, hotel, rental car, food, fuel, cost of
 meteorites purchased, miscellaneous expenses; i.e. pay to hunt
 expenses) This need not be itemized, and can be a total cost for your
 hunt...
 Total Number of Meteorites Found:
 Total Weight Found:

 This survey is completely anonymous, and your identity will be kept
 confidential, all you need send is totals/numbers.

 In addition, those of you who'd like to share coordinates that would
 also be appreciated, again, your anonymity will be kept unless you state
 specifically that you wouldn't mind releasing your identity publicly in
 association with your data.

 All this information will be published on my site and on-list to share
 with everyone in a completely transparent and open manner.

 Thank you all in advance for your cooperation.

 Regards,
 Eric Wichman
 Meteorites USA
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Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston?

[Bob Loeffler]

I'll vote for that name (Bob)!   :-)

Bob

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Let's do something different for a change and name it Bob.

Dave

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 It can be named after a geological feature too. It's not uncommon in 
 Australia where you can be hundreds of kilometers from anywhere!

 Cheers,

 Jeff


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 meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Meteorite-list 
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 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:05 AM
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 Specimens have been found in two counties, so a county name might not 
 work.  Miffin might be cool, but there is no Post Office there.  Maybe 
 Mineral Point, WI?

 Steve Arnold


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 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:40:21
 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Livingston?

 I see everybody starting to call this fall Livingston... but this is
 not likely to be accepted as the name since there are already meteorites
 named Livingston (Montana) and Livingston (Tennessee).

 Jeff

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 US Geological Survey  fax:   (703) 648-6383
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Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Shawn and all,

If someone has already mentioned this, I'm sorry for the repeat.  I have
another 150 e-mails to catch up on.

Some states in the US, including Colorado up until 7/2009, have a law that
says that rainwater is owned by the state, not by the individual.  So I
couldn't put a bucket outside to catch the rain without breaking the law. So
in Colorado, rain would basically fall into the same category as meteorites
in some states, although I don't know about Australia.  All four (rain,
hail, lightning, meteorites) could be considered acts of God, but there
can be specific stipulations for meteorites and rain depending on where they
fall.

Rain won't hurt if it hits you, but a meteorite could.  But, governments
could say that a meteorite isn't a meteorite until it hits the ground (or
has come to a stop after hitting something on the ground, like the floor of
your house), so the government doesn't own the meteorite yet when it hits
you, so they are not liable for any damages that it causes, but as soon as
it stops, then they become the owner of it.  I'm not saying that this is the
law, but it could be what some governments are thinking.

In the case of Lorton, the lawyers for the landlord could argue that the
first part of the building that was hit was the roof (which is undoubtedly
owned by the landlord), so the landlord should own the meteorite.  The
meteorite came to rest on the floor inside the building that is being
rented, but since the outside of the building was struck first, then the
renters would have no say in the matter.  Again, this is just a possible
argument and I don't know if it would stand up in court.  Just a thought.
If the meteorite flew through an open window and came to rest on the floor,
then I would think that the renters would have a much better case.

Regards,

Bob 

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
meteorite'

Hello Greg and Listers,
 
Great point that you brought up about the Act of God ruling but my
question wasn't about rain or hail, my question is about a meteorite fall,
which is the property of  Australia. If Australia's property hits someone, I
would say Australia is responsible for what damages the meteorite fall might
cause, if its physical or psychological in my opinion... Its their
property.
 
Shawn Alan
eBayshop
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p
4340 
 
 
 
 
 
[meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
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I would think this would fall under the Act of God ruling. I'm not sure
about Australian law, but in the US an Act of God is used for damage
caused by hail damage or lightning and such. So I would think you could not
sue the government since it is an act of God. 

Greg S. 

 

 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:15:13 -0700 

 From: photophlow at yahoo.com 

 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not
meteorite' 

 

 Hello Listers, 

 

 I have a question about Alex's run in with being hit on the head by a rock
that might have been a meteorite or not a meteorite. In any case, lets say
this meteorite was bigger and hit him and caused some harm. And lets say
Alex is from Australia , which from what I have read sounds like that is the
case. Now from my understanding all meteorites are the property of the
country, Australia . So in a since Australia is responsible for damages,
harm, psychological and/or the well being of the citizens of Australia as a
result from a meteorite fall. Now couldn't people sue if their town was hit
by a meteorite because lets say if they had happen to be in that spot where
it hit, they could have been murdered from the meteorite? Or lets say it did
hit someone, then couldn't they hire a Johnnie Cochran lawyer and sue the
day lights out of the state in Australia? 

 

 Shawn Alan 

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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE HUNTER MICHAEL FARMER FINDS 131 GRAM METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 14, 2010 FIREBALL!

[Bob Loeffler]

Awesome!!  Congrats to Mr. Farmer.

Bob



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METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 14, 2010 FIREBALL!

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Farmer_Meteorite_Hunter.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] More re Earthquake SD

[Bob Loeffler]

 El Central, Ca

Hi geozay,

It's spelled El Centro.  :-)

Bob



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In a message dated 4/4/2010 4:03:48 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
mlbl...@cox.net writes:
Where did you get the  info?
Do you know where in Baja  was the epicenter?

Mike, I have a website that I monitor  earthquakes in california every day. 
The quake is south of the border near  Mexicali. I'd think Yuma, Ariz and 
El Central, Ca will be the closest big cities  to the quake.
geozay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Shawn,

It's a well-known fact (there have been many studies done on it) that women
usually write with a curvier (larger loop) style than men do.  That is what
Mike was referring to and I completely agree with him.  The signature in
your book was probably done by a woman, but yes, there is still a
*possibility* that it was written by a man.

Signing your name and writing your signature is the same thing.  I'm not
sure why you think they are different.  If I sign my name, that is my
signature.  Maybe you are talking about when a person casually writes
his/her name on something, but most people who do that will print their name
instead of using cursive writing.  And then each letter is usually written
separately instead of them flowing together.  In both books, the a and z
in Paz flow together, so that is probably not his version of printing his
name in cursive.  Women write in cursive a lot more than men do, but I don't
know what it was like for LaPaz' generation.

Or maybe you are talking about the guy's first name which is in Mike's book
but not in yours?  But that doesn't matter in this case.  Looking at the
last name, it's very obvious that the L is very different between Mike's
and your books' signatures/names, so two different people wrote those names.

You and the guy selling the book could very well be correct in saying that
this is LaPaz' signature or written name, but there is no way to know for
sure.  The way people write changes over time (especially from childhood to
adulthood), but major changes (like that L) are not usually changed during
adulthood.  Mike has been dealing with historical books for a long time, so
I would trust his word on this subject more than most people's.

If that really is LaPaz' signature, then that (and the notations) would
increase the value of the book for some collectors.  Other collectors, of
course, could care less.

Regards,

Bob



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
in 1925

Hi Mike and List 
 
Clearly I find it funny that your saying your book is the real deal and the
one posted on the link isn't from him. Now why do you think yours is the
real deal? You never explained where you got the book with his signature,
now did you. Now I find this to be funny. You state that 
 
Hopefully you will agree that these were not done by the same person. 
To my eye it looks like yours was done by a female as the letters have 
such large loops.  you also go on to say ..
 
It in no way makes them an expert in recognizing his signature. I 
really takes a side by side comparison to do this. 
 
O really. so when did you become a hand writing analysis expert? You said
yourself the the image on the website I posted on the List was done by a
female. How do you know that it was written by a female? Also you even said
yourself 
 
Obviously you believe that by being related to someone you could 
recognize their signature expertly. I do not agree with you. I would 
have to have my a known copy of my wife's signature to compare it to 
another to be certain it is hers. 
 
Again Mike, here you go into saying that you wouldn't be able to tell by
your wife's signature unless you had copies to compare it to. So how does it
give you a right to say that the signing was done by a female on the link I
provided to the list?  
 
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp 
 
But I think your over looking something that I have stated. I have been
communicating with the individual that posted the book and he emailed me
back and said .
 
  
Hi Shawn:
 
 Dr. LaPaz often wrote his name in a book as soon
as he received it.  That is his writing LaPaz) on the inside
front cover of Meteors.  All notations in the book (I think they
are all in red ink) are his.
 
Ok, the key words is Dr LaPaz wrote his name in his books. Now do you get
what I said about

Lastly, another thing to remember, signing your name in a book and 
doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures? and you say

 
Sorry don't really understand your point here so I cannot comment on it.
 
So lets say I buy a book and I sign my name in it. Now I wouldnt do a
signature in the book because signatures are hard to read, I would SIGN my
name in the book instead. Now if I was going to do a signature on a
document, I would use my signature, or signature to sign someones book. I
think you have have done this before, signing someting with your name on it.
Now I have something for you to look at and Listers
 
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262...@n03/4422192244/
 
Ok now what I did is I took your signature which is the bottom and took the
signing of his name from the website 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

[Bob Loeffler]

 The doctor says he called the landlord and told him he plans to hand the
 meteorite over to the Smithsonian. He goes on to say that the landlord
 gave him PERMISSION to do so.
 I may be old school but once the landlord Ok' d the hand over  he gave
 up ownership. Verbal agreements are legally binding. Obviously the
 landlord later realized he had made a mistake so, had his brother try to
 reclaim it but the fact is once you give something away you NO longer own
 it. Period. Sorry but please re-read this article linked here.'

Hi Carl and Phil,

Carl, you are assuming that the doctor is telling the truth.  I have seen no
proof in those articles that the landlord has ever given any such
permission.  He probably did, but we can't assume that just because the
doctor said so.

 When you acquire clear title to a piece of property, you 
 also get landowners rights.  These rights are written into 
 the state constitutions or the bill of rights.  You own
 everything above, below and on your land.

I'm sorry, but you are not correct, Phil.  Some (many? most?) states in the
U.S. don't grant you the mineral rights under your house/business.  You have
to purchase that separately (if this is allowed in your state, county or
municipality).  In Colorado, you don't own the mineral rights under the
house you just bought, unless you get that specified in the title.  That
wouldn't be relevant for a meteorite that just fell, but I just wanted to
make sure that everyone knows that everything below your house is not
necessarily owned by you.  A friend of mine researched this 5 or so years
ago and that is what he found here in Colorado.  I've heard from a few
others in other states who said the same thing.

Regards,

Bob



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Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:40 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Phil Whitmer
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

Phil, Martin , List,
Not to beat a dead horse here but, we all understand the way things are now.
In this link I provided earlier and again below there are particular events
that occurred that may effect the outcome of this new case.
Please read link again and click on the past precedence they link to.
One is the Pierson V. Post case. ( this is highlighted in the article) In
this case the court ruled the way most of us would expect. Surprisingly when
the ruling was challenged in the supreme court. The decision was reversed!
OMG, This case is about possession and is probably what John Lennon meant
when he said;
Possession isn't nine-tenths of the law. It's nine-tenths of the problem.
. 
Please take particular note of the boxed area which quotes the exchange
between the Doctor and his landlord.

The doctor says he called the landlord and told him he plans to hand the
meteorite over to the Smithsonian. He goes on to say that the landlord gave
him PERMISSION to do so.
I may be old school but once the landlord Ok' d the hand over  he gave up
ownership. Verbal agreements are legally binding. Obviously the landlord
later realized he had made a mistake so, had his brother try to reclaim it
but the fact is once you give something away you NO longer own it. Period.
Sorry but please re-read this article linked here.'

http://brightcoast.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/meteorite-law-are-tenants-lost-i
n-space/

So, you see there are issues that clearly need pursuing but, Please all due
respect to Indians today but as a kid we used to call this Indian Giving.
Sorry about that I would never use this term today but thought it would make
the point that you cannot take back something you previously gave away.
Sorry, if you are of sound mind at the time you just cannot. No matter how
bad you feel about it later. The meteorite has already changed hands. Maybe.
Only the courts can decide now.
Actually as already noted by another list member maybe they should divide it
three ways and be done with it? Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Phil Whitmer prairiecac...@rtcol.com wrote: 
 When you acquire clear title to a piece of property, you 
 also get landowners rights.  These rights are written into 
 the state constitutions or the bill of rights.  You own
 everything above, below and on your land.  Once a 
 meteorite enters your air space, you own it. Anyone 
 who tries to take it can be charged with theft, here in 
 Indiana, felony theft.  If I was the landowner in the 
 Lorton case, I would file felony theft charges against
 whoever stole my property. 
 
 Since there are no specific laws pertaining to meteorites,
 the courts would decide the cases by legal precedent.
 This was all worked out by the time of the  Hodges
 meteorite case in 1954. 
 
 If you think the landowners rights are unconstitutional,
 and you want to defy precedent, lots of luck to you
 and your lawyers, as you sue for ownership of someone
 else's 

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Carl,

You do have a good point here.  I wish the Gov would let us hunt on Fed land
without needing to get permits because there are a lot of us who would do
the right thing and give the found meteorites to them.  I want to find
meteorites just for the thrill of it, so I would still do it even if I
couldn't keep what I found.  And maybe the Gov would let me keep one if I
found a bunch.  Or maybe not.  But in any case, letting meteorites erode
away is pointless.

Regards,

Bob



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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:40 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bob Loeffler
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's
rock'

Bob, 
Thank you for the response. That is fair to say but the problem with Federal
land is that it is illegal to pick the stuff up without a permit. So, the
collection has to be for the government. if you don't pick it up it will rot
and then nobody will ever get a chance at it. During the mapping of Gold
Basin. Nobody wanted to bother to collect the material on into the federal
land because they could not keep it. 100% of the meteorites found on Federal
area of the gold basin strewnfield had to be given to the smithsonian
museum. If you look at the map it is very much lighter on the federal owned
section. Today you will get into big trouble if caught hunting there. 
But when on state land you are allowed to pick stuff up. that's all I'm
saying. Why do they differ? State land meteorites get picked up and
preserved. Federal meteorites get to rot. There must still be tons of
meteorites yet to be found but never will be due to these stupid laws.  Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com wrote: 
 Hi Carl,
 
  I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed.
  land. The fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found
  on Fed. land all went to the smithsonian.
 
 If you don't want the Fed Gov to get the treasures that are found on Fed
 land, who should get them?  Even you said that the treasures belong to
all
 of us, but if you find something and take it home (and either keep it or
 sell it), the rest of us don't get to share in the ownership or joy of
what
 you found. So then that is not fair because it should belong to all of us,
 right?  So, the Gov puts the treasure in a museum so all of us can see it.
 All of the people now have a partial ownership/interest in it, not just
one
 or two people.
 
 BTW, I don't work for the Gov. and didn't get paid by anyone to say
 anything.  :-)  This is just what I think this law is trying to do.  I
could
 be wrong.
 
 Regards, 
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
 cdtuc...@cox.net
 Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:45 PM
 To: Adam; George Blahun Jr
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the
people's
 rock'
 
 George. 
 Just one moment here. What if the rightful owner of the glasses never
claims
 
 them? you have no idea who left them. Could have been a visitor asking for

 directions. Who owns them? The landlord??? Nobody is not the right answer
 here. 
 Also, Nobody wants your tree but the key is that it is yours! 
 What if you are leasing the tree in a business that sells the fruit? Who
is 
 responsible then? The owner of the tree or you because you are in legal
 control 
 of it. Just asking. 
 In the case of the contractor. Well, he did discover the treasure inside
the
 
 wall. What most would have done is haul it off into the truck as he was 
 contracted to do and never mention it ( haul away the debris) . What he
did
 do 
 is tell the home owner and she wanted all of it. This case ended in all of
 her 
 relatives learning of it and the sum was divided many ways between all of
 them. 
 She got greedy and lost more than she gained . I love this case because
 greed 
 did not prevail. Her greed cost her mucho dineros . As a side note the 
 contractor did the right thing but it came down to. No good deed goes 
 unpunished. As much as I hate to say that. 
  I was an Architect/contractor and I know most of my subs would have
simply 
 hauled away the envelope with the rest of the debris, medicine cabinet and
 all. 
 Plus she was lucky the envelope had her relatives name on it because it
 might 
 have belonged to a previous home owner. all of this played out in court.
 which 
 is why I want to see this in court. 
 I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed. land.
 The 
 fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found on Fed. land all
 went 
 to the smithsonian. That is why the strewn field looks so bottom heavy.
Take
 
 care and thank you.. Carl 
 -- 
 Carl or Debbie Esparza 
 Meteoritemax 
  
 --
 Carl or Debbie Esparza
 Meteoritemax
 
 
  George Blahun Jr k...@att.net wrote

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

[Bob Loeffler]

 I had a business law professor in college say that the law looks for
 someone to pay regardless of whether a person is actually responsible.
 It may not win in court, but I'll bet the legal argument for someone
 being hit by a meteorite in a doctor's office would be something like,
 there is an implied guarantee of safety when entering the building.

Hi George,

I never thought of it that you and you may be right.  Hopefully that won't
happen to anyone... because that would hurt!  :-)

Regards,

Bob



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From: George Blahun Jr [mailto:k...@att.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:29 PM
To: Bob Loeffler
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's
rock'

Bob:
  You make a good point, but I think liability laws, which vary state to
state are pretty complex.  Hopefully, as you suggested  some actual legal
opinion will be offered.  I had a business law professor in college say that
the law looks for someone to pay regardless of whether a person is actually
responsible.  It may not win in court, but I'll bet the legal argument for
someone being hit by a meteorite in a doctor's office would be something
like, there is an implied guarantee of safety when entering the building.  

George
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mark Bostick?

[Bob Loeffler]

I was the highest bidder on a postcard from him on eBay but I never received
it, nor got a response from him when I inquired about it (July 2008).  After
I heard about his personal ordeal, I just wrote it off and hoped his life
would get back to normalcy.  I haven't heard anything since then.  I hope he
is well.

Regards,

Bob



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Matter
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mark Bostick?

Hi  Walter,

Last I heard was that Mark had to pull out of meteorites to care for
someone, an elderly parent  or sibling maybe.

Oh, by the way, when you mentioned your three year accident
anniversary, I thought I'd tell you that before the accident, I bought
a smooth oriented Sikhote-Alin from your collection. After the
accident, I thought of sending it back to you, but instead I put it in
my center desk drawer. Whenever I needed a pen I opened the drawer,
saw the SA and thought about you and your daughter.

I think we both had and raised our kids while on this List, and I
remember discussion child rearing with you back at the turn of the
century. Our daughters are about the same age, and if you and your
daughter no longer need my daily drawer thoughts, I'd be happy to send
the SA to your daughter to continue her meteorite collecting.

Best,

Martin




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wrote:
 Hello Everyone,

 Can somebody tell me, whatever happened to meteorite collector and dealer
 Mark Bostick?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin strewn field correction on a post byCarl Esparza

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Twink!

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  I hope you had (or are having) a great
Tucson show.

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Larry 
Twink Monrad
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:58 PM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold Basin strewn field correction on a post
byCarl Esparza

No Carl, you do not have this right at all.

What I told you the other night is that Jim Kriegh, John Blennert and I 
turned in all of our first several hundred specimens to Dr. Kring at the U 
of A.  These were found on BLM land where the field was discovered while 
hunting for gold.  Dolores Hill and Dr. Kring went through these one by one,

bagged and labeled them, as Dolores can attest.  Twenty per cent of these 
went to the Smithsonian.  The rest were eventually given back to us by Dr. 
Kring except for a few that the University needed for classification.  John,

Jim and I also donated several to the University of Arizona Mineral Museum 
which they still own.  As all of us discovered different meteorites in the 
same strewn field, they were also examined, classified and returned to us 
except for the slices kept by the U of A for classification.

It was a year later that Dr. Kring obtained for Jim Kriegh a permit to hunt 
on the Lake Mead Recreation Area and  Jim, John and I hunted there for a 
while and were honored to do so.  Dr. Kring was interested in knowing 
whether the strewn field covered the Recreation Area.  When we found Gold 
Basin meteorites at various points even overlooking Lake Mead and walked 
over lots of flat land and into canyons on both sides of the road into the 
Recreation area it was obvious that yes, the field extended to Lake Mead. 
All of these finds on the Lake Mead Recreation area were turned over to Dr. 
Kring who in turn sent them to the Smithsonian as that had been in the 
agreement in order to get the permit to hunt on the Recreation area. We had 
hunted briefly at various spots just to see where they occurred.   Jim 
Kriegh did not ask for the permit to be extended since the information that 
Dr. Kring needed had been verified.

Once the press release came out from the University of Arizona in January 
1998, anyone was free to hunt on the original BLM area and we enjoyed many 
hunts with many of you who became our good friends.  Meeting all of you who 
did hunt with Jim Kriegh or who met him at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show 
is what made him the happiest and made the find worthwhile to him.  Jim was 
also pleased to have donated his time for the mapping and scientific 
information his find afforded the meteorite world.


Twink Monrad



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Carl,

 I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed.
 land. The fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found
 on Fed. land all went to the smithsonian.

If you don't want the Fed Gov to get the treasures that are found on Fed
land, who should get them?  Even you said that the treasures belong to all
of us, but if you find something and take it home (and either keep it or
sell it), the rest of us don't get to share in the ownership or joy of what
you found. So then that is not fair because it should belong to all of us,
right?  So, the Gov puts the treasure in a museum so all of us can see it.
All of the people now have a partial ownership/interest in it, not just one
or two people.

BTW, I don't work for the Gov. and didn't get paid by anyone to say
anything.  :-)  This is just what I think this law is trying to do.  I could
be wrong.

Regards, 

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
cdtuc...@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:45 PM
To: Adam; George Blahun Jr
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's
rock'

George. 
Just one moment here. What if the rightful owner of the glasses never claims

them? you have no idea who left them. Could have been a visitor asking for 
directions. Who owns them? The landlord??? Nobody is not the right answer
here. 
Also, Nobody wants your tree but the key is that it is yours! 
What if you are leasing the tree in a business that sells the fruit? Who is 
responsible then? The owner of the tree or you because you are in legal
control 
of it. Just asking. 
In the case of the contractor. Well, he did discover the treasure inside the

wall. What most would have done is haul it off into the truck as he was 
contracted to do and never mention it ( haul away the debris) . What he did
do 
is tell the home owner and she wanted all of it. This case ended in all of
her 
relatives learning of it and the sum was divided many ways between all of
them. 
She got greedy and lost more than she gained . I love this case because
greed 
did not prevail. Her greed cost her mucho dineros . As a side note the 
contractor did the right thing but it came down to. No good deed goes 
unpunished. As much as I hate to say that. 
 I was an Architect/contractor and I know most of my subs would have simply 
hauled away the envelope with the rest of the debris, medicine cabinet and
all. 
Plus she was lucky the envelope had her relatives name on it because it
might 
have belonged to a previous home owner. all of this played out in court.
which 
is why I want to see this in court. 
I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed. land.
The 
fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found on Fed. land all
went 
to the smithsonian. That is why the strewn field looks so bottom heavy. Take

care and thank you.. Carl 
-- 
Carl or Debbie Esparza 
Meteoritemax 
 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 George Blahun Jr k...@att.net wrote: 
 
 
 
 Carl:
 Hello and thanks for your comments and point of view.  I actually
didn't intend for this to be taken as cut and  dry.  I do come down on the
side of the land owners, but my reference to the EM Spectrum implies that
there is always another point of view.  If you were unfortunate enough to be
hit by a meteorite on someone else's property, I believe you'd be entitled
to damages for your injury and pain and suffering.   If you were walking on
my property here in CT and one of my black walnut trees fell on you, you
could (and should) file a claim against my home owners policy, but I don't
think you'd get to keep the black walnut tree which is probably  worth about
10K for the wood.  
  In your example of the dollar bill, a fairly insignificant amount if
you can afford to see a doctor, the dollar probably goes to the finder.  But
if you drop your Maui Jim sunglasses there, you still have the right to them
and neither the finder nor the doctor nor the landlord owns them.  Of course
most communities have a procedure for claiming a lost and found, unlike a
space rock.  This series of events changes if the object which hits you is
from a military satellite.   They'd deny any responsibility but want it back
anyhow. 
 
 There was a court case recently where a contractor was removing a wall
in a house and found a bunch of money which had been hidden in there for
decades.  The contractor tried to claim it using the old legal defense of
finders keepers losers weepers  but the courts said, no.  
 I guess we all have a slight bias when interpreting the law and what
constitutes ownership.  This no doubt determines which side of this issue we
each come down on.
 
 George
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi George,

 If you were unfortunate enough to be hit by a meteorite on someone
 else's property, I believe you'd be entitled to damages for your
 injury and pain and suffering. If you were walking on my property
 here in CT and one of my black walnut trees fell on you, you could
 (and should) file a claim against my home owners policy,

I don't know if that is correct.  I'm not a lawyer, but I know that the laws
are different for natural causes vs negligence.  If your walnut tree lands
on someone, then he can sue you because you neglected to take care of the
tree so it wouldn't fall and hurt someone.  It's on your land, so you own
that tree.  So you have to take the necessary steps to the best of your
ability to prevent it from hurting anyone on your property.

On the other hand, we cannot prevent people from being hit by meteorites (or
lightning, hail, etc) when they are on someone's property.  If I am walking
across someone's yard during a storm and I'm hit with hail or lightning, I
doubt that there is any court in the US that would rule in my favor if I try
to sue that home owner. The home owner could possibly sue me because I was
trespassing on his land.  Even if I was invited by him into his yard, an
injury from something natural coming from above is not his concern
(legally).

Think of it this way:  If I'm driving down the road and I crash because
lightning hits my car, can I sue the city or state or Fed gov?  (After all,
one of them owns the air above my car.)  Nope.

You can't sue (or at least WIN, because in the US you can sue anyone for
anything nowadays) for natural phenomena that is not humanly preventable.
There is the possibility if there are extenuating circumstances (e.g. maybe
if the highway department set up a metal pole next to the road that acted
like a lightning rod-type and it attracted the lightning as my car was
driving by), but in general, that will be rare.

So if a meteorite crashes through the roof of a building that is being
rented by a dentist and it hits a patient, neither the dentist nor his
landlord should be held liable.  One or both will most likely help pay, but
that would be because it's good publicity and the right thing to do.  But
if an investigation shows that the roof was in bad condition or poorly made,
then the patient *might* have a case against the landlord.

It would be interesting to hear from a real lawyer about this.   :-)

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of George
Blahun Jr
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:17 PM
To: Adam
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's
rock'




Carl:
Hello and thanks for your comments and point of view.  I actually didn't
intend for this to be taken as cut and  dry.  I do come down on the side of
the land owners, but my reference to the EM Spectrum implies that there is
always another point of view.  If you were unfortunate enough to be hit by a
meteorite on someone else's property, I believe you'd be entitled to damages
for your injury and pain and suffering.   If you were walking on my property
here in CT and one of my black walnut trees fell on you, you could (and
should) file a claim against my home owners policy, but I don't think you'd
get to keep the black walnut tree which is probably  worth about 10K for the
wood.  
 In your example of the dollar bill, a fairly insignificant amount if
you can afford to see a doctor, the dollar probably goes to the finder.  But
if you drop your Maui Jim sunglasses there, you still have the right to them
and neither the finder nor the doctor nor the landlord owns them.  Of course
most communities have a procedure for claiming a lost and found, unlike a
space rock.  This series of events changes if the object which hits you is
from a military satellite.   They'd deny any responsibility but want it back
anyhow. 

There was a court case recently where a contractor was removing a wall
in a house and found a bunch of money which had been hidden in there for
decades.  The contractor tried to claim it using the old legal defense of
finders keepers losers weepers  but the courts said, no.  
I guess we all have a slight bias when interpreting the law and what
constitutes ownership.  This no doubt determines which side of this issue we
each come down on.

George


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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

[Bob Loeffler]

I've never used Mineral Tack with meteorites, but it is very safe
(chemically) for all mineral specimens that I've used it on.  I've never
seen any staining or noticeable chemical changes in my specimens.  It is not
supposed to have any oils in it, but maybe there are a few different brands
and some are better than others.  I got mine from David Shannon Minerals in
Mesa, Arizona (I think).  David passed away a couple years ago, but his wife
and family were still in business a year ago.  Not sure about now.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Kowalski
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:33 AM
To: meteorite-list; Erik Fisler
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral
collector and curator field, but Mineral Tack is widely suggested. White
apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in
office supply stores.

Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a
small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .

Alternatively if you don't want to have anything tacky touching your
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.

I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure
whatever you use is not visible from the camera.

If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is
preferred.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


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 From: Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
 To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
 
 What should I use to prop up stones?
 
 [Erik]


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

I found the Mineral Tack on their website.  I guess they call their business
Shannon and Son's Minerals now.  Here is a direct link to the stuff.

http://www.shannonsminerals.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=329products_
id=30124

It's a silicone-based tack.  At first glance it looks blue, but that is the
packaging.  It is an off-white color (slightly grayish but more white than
gray).  I've used it for 10 years or so.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Loeffler
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:20 PM
To: 'meteorite-list'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I've never used Mineral Tack with meteorites, but it is very safe
(chemically) for all mineral specimens that I've used it on.  I've never
seen any staining or noticeable chemical changes in my specimens.  It is not
supposed to have any oils in it, but maybe there are a few different brands
and some are better than others.  I got mine from David Shannon Minerals in
Mesa, Arizona (I think).  David passed away a couple years ago, but his wife
and family were still in business a year ago.  Not sure about now.

Regards,

Bob



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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Kowalski
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:33 AM
To: meteorite-list; Erik Fisler
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!

I'm sure this will be a touchy subject, just as it is in the greater mineral
collector and curator field, but Mineral Tack is widely suggested. White
apparently isn't widely available any longer but blue should be available in
office supply stores.

Here is one retailer selling what I am talking about.

http://tinyurl.com/yl6yo8c


Use it sparingly as a small ball behind the specimen, or on either end of a
small stick (toothpick) to support the specimen .

Alternatively if you don't want to have anything tacky touching your
specimens, use some crumpled up some Aluminium foil to support the specimen.

I'm assuming this is just for something like photography, so make sure
whatever you use is not visible from the camera.

If you are talking long term display, an acrylic or metal stand is
preferred.

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Don't use putty!
 To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 6:56 AM
 
 What should I use to prop up stones?
 
 [Erik]


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising

[Bob Loeffler]

Ok everybody.  That's enough with the gun talk, or how you feel about
them, or your opinions regarding guns, etc.  Your opinions about guns DO
NOT belong on this list (even if there is a meteorite or Meteorite Men in
the photo), just like other political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc don't
belong on the list.  If someone wants to know my opinion regarding guns,
send me a private e-mail (NOT ON THE LIST). I'm sure nobody will do that
because 99% of us on this list DO NOT CARE how others feel about guns.
Let's just talk about meteorites.  Period.

Thanks!

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
fallingfus...@wi.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:46 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising

I am not exactly sure how this discussion got brought up on a meteorite
email list (well actually, I do). But it is an important one, none the less.


This is my personal opinion. If you don't agree, then please done reply,
because I won't be. I am not pointing fingers (or guns)... at anyone in
particular.  

I have no problem with someone exercising their right to bear arms. I do,
however, have a problem with people that decide to do so in an
irresponsible, immature manner. I cannot stress enough the importance of
handling a weapon (loaded or not) in the proper manner. And I don't even own
a gun.. just common sense. I also believe that NOBODY should be carrying a
sidearm in public without the proper training. Even here in WI, anyone can
go to a firearms dealer and purchase a gun without attending any formal
training whatsoever... and to that, I don't necessarily agree. Perhaps my
training and personal experience has lead me to be a bit more stern
regarding this topic, but I have also heard countless additional first-hand
experiences from those that are involved in law enforcement and firearms
certification here in Milwaukee. They are tools that can terminate life
immediately. 

Regards,

Ryan Pawelski

 

 Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: 
 
 Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck.  Nice one!  So
 clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant.  It must be a
 terrible burden to share correspondence with them.   
 
 I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read
the threads when they do.  
 
 A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your
inbox related to that thread.
 OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow
 the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. 
 This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or
take away your right to post what you want to post.
 
 Also:
 Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model
it something along the lines of this:
 
 Dear Listees
 
 I do not like the debate on guns. Bye.
 
 -Peter
 
 All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes
you look like a sissy and a jerk.
 First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc..
 Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown
woman.
 I seriously doubt either of those are true.  
 
 What you said in text is not what you meant.  The underhand message is
bluntly rude.
 I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the
day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'.
 
 I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts
like this one.
 
 [Erik]
 
  Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:19:52 +
  From: p.david...@nms.ac.uk
  To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
  
  Dear Listees
  
  I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time
I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and
debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great
new friendships.
  
  However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and
angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is
this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing
correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists.
  
  Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my
only comfort. :-(
  
  Peter Davidson
  Curator of Minerals
   
  National Museums Collection Centre
  National Museums Scotland
  242 West Granton Road
  Edinburgh
  EH5 1JA
  Phone: +44 131 247 4283
  p.david...@nms.ac.uk
  www.nms.ac.uk
   
   
  
  Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National
Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker
  
  National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130
  This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not
the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from 

Re: [meteorite-list] dubious 'iron' on e-bay

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Linton,

I'm not an expert, and the pictures are small as you said, but I would agree
with you that it's just a big chunk of slag.  

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Linton
Rohr
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:39 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] dubious 'iron' on e-bay

Good day list,
I've been searching for meteorites from Utah on e-bay for quite some time, 
and an ad came up a few days  ago for an alleged iron.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=11048840ssPageName=S
TRK:MEWAX:IT
The seller clearly doesn't know what he's talking about (not that I'm all 
that knowledgable). His grandfather found the 'rock', but apparently no 
testing or analysis was ever done. To me, it looks like some kind of manmade

material, slag perhaps. But the photos don't blow up and I can't discern any

detail. Would anyone care to share an opinion? I'd appreciate it.
Linton - thoroughly enjoying Tucson! 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

[Bob Loeffler]

Very cool, Dave!  That's an awesome specimen.  It makes my 1.4 gram specimen
look like a wimp.  Now I'm depressed.  ..  :-)

Bob



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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:18 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

Click the link at the end of Remarks for the latest abstract, which is very
well put to paper.  Presumably this will end the hypervelocity debate...?

http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Carancas.htm

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Historic meteorite scale cube?

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Tom,

I like your idea and it does look like an old wooden scale cube.

List, does anyone have an aluminum scale cube that is in very good condition
that they would like to sell?  I already have a bronze cube and a tungsten
carbide cube.

Thanks and regards,

Bob



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starsandsco...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:13 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Historic meteorite scale cube?

Hi list,  Indulge me on this  one.   I still have scale cube envy over 
ordering my cube from Jeff a  few seconds too late to get the lowest number!

His are the best I have  seen and I am not trying to better those perfect 
cubes.  I treasure my #14  cube!

That said, It is snowing up here in Idaho and there is not much to  do.  I 
made some old looking wood scale cubes to go with historic  falls.  Perhaps 
it is a dumb idea but I put one on eBay at $1 to see if  there is any
demand.


Check it out at  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260546460569ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT

Thanks  for looking.

Tom Phillips STARSINTHEDIRT  


Please let me know what you think
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Kirk,

Yeah, I guess the movie was a little bit entertaining, and that's why they
made it.  I just wish they would make them more accurate.  A little bit of
artistic license is fine, but most movies these days are wy off.
:-)  But, as long as they keep making movies (and TV shows) about
meteors/meteorites, I shouldn't complain too loudly.  Speaking of TV shows,
Meteorite Men is on again tonight (Science Channel on cable/satellite).
Time to pop the popcorn and grab a beer!  Just kidding.  I don't like
popcorn.  ;-)

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and
Kirk
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:46 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy

The movie was at least entertaining---to a certain degree.
No accuracy was really expectedwas it??

Kirk..:-)

- Original Message - 
From: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy


 My favorite from the 70's was A Fire in the Sky from 1978 (not the 
 crappy
 ET movie with the same name from 1993 with DB Sweeney).  It had Richard
 Crenna and Merlin Olson in it.  See here:
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077553/  Not a great cast, but I think I 
 liked
 it because (1) it was about a comet that was going to hit Phoenix... and 
 I'm
 from Phoenix, (2) it actually hit Phoenix in the movie... instead of being
 blown up by nuclear warheads just before entering the atmosphere, and (3) 
 I
 was only 10 years old at the time... so it was believable.  If I saw it
 again today, I might not like it as much.  :-)

 Anyway, I did see Meteor Storm last night on SyFy and it was as bad as I
 expected.  I haven't seen a good movie on SyFy in years... but for some 
 odd
 reason, I still flip the channel to it, just in case they might have a 
 good
 movie for once.  I loved it when the lady said that the meteorites were 
 the
 size of bullets (when she was on Alcatraz Island), but 10 seconds earlier
 when she had one in her hand and was studying it, it was about the size of
 her fist.  :-)  And even though the meteorites were supposed to be small,
 they would take out 3 floors of an office or apartment building when they
 hit, yet impacts to people or the ground caused holes that were just a few
 inches in diameter.  As expected, the special effects were horrible,
 especially the flames from the Aries rocket that they launched at the end 
 of
 the movie.  The flames looked like they were made on an old PC computer
 using CGA (not CGI) EGA graphics.  Instead of a smooth progression from 
 one
 color to another, you could see a definite yellow area, then a definite
 orange area, etc.  At least the acting wasn't horrible.  Not great, but 
 not
 the worst I've seen.

 It was just another really bad movie that won't help the education of
 humanity. But, obviously, it was only meant for mindless entertainment.
 Mindless?  Yes.  Entertainment?  I'm not sure about that.  :-)

 But, there was at least one thing that I think was good.  The big asteroid
 that was going to hit at the end of the movie was called Apophis, which is

 a
 real NEO (near Earth object). Good for them. There was one other good 
 thing,
 but I can't remember it.  Sorry.

 Regards,

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
 lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:37 AM
 To: Walter Branch
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy

 Walter:

 They also had Meteor on (1979), which predates all the disasteroid
 movies that came out at the time of Shoemaker-Levy 9.

 Not quite as bad a movie, but not the bast in the world given it cast:

 Sean Connery (Bond, James Bond)
 Karl Malden

 those famous Russian actors
 Natalie Wood and Brian Keith

 many more famous actors

 and a cast of thousands (at least hundreds) as it includes all those
 people in red shirts that you know are going to die.

 All of these gems for now quite so good science.

 It has been a while since I have seen it, but now have nice copies of them
 that I can bring to class.

 Larry



 They had a movie called Asteroid on earlier today.  That one is a real
 keeper as well.  I love it when rocks just explode into huge fireballs on
 impact with the ground :-)

 -Walter Branch

 - Original Message -
 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 To: Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy


 Thanks for the link. It is on in 20 minutes (10:00 here in Tucson). It
 looks like a gem, something that I can use in my class as an example
 of
 what

Re: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

[Bob Loeffler]

Yeah, I know.  :-)  But it's still an awesome meteorite.  I'll read the
abstract.

Bob



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From: Dave Gheesling [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:30 PM
To: 'Bob Loeffler'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

Thanks Bob...but the post wasn't meant to be about the meteorite or
collection page at all.  I don't know if you've followed the back-and-forth
re: whether or not Carancas was hypervelocity, but the new abstract (linked
to at the bottom of the Remarks section) pretty much nails that down.  Great
paper... 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Loeffler
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:19 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

Very cool, Dave!  That's an awesome specimen.  It makes my 1.4 gram specimen
look like a wimp.  Now I'm depressed.  ..  :-)

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Gheesling
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:18 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Was GUNS, now COSMIC BULLET

Click the link at the end of Remarks for the latest abstract, which is very
well put to paper.  Presumably this will end the hypervelocity debate...?

http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Carancas.htm

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy

[Bob Loeffler]

My favorite from the 70's was A Fire in the Sky from 1978 (not the crappy
ET movie with the same name from 1993 with DB Sweeney).  It had Richard
Crenna and Merlin Olson in it.  See here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077553/  Not a great cast, but I think I liked
it because (1) it was about a comet that was going to hit Phoenix... and I'm
from Phoenix, (2) it actually hit Phoenix in the movie... instead of being
blown up by nuclear warheads just before entering the atmosphere, and (3) I
was only 10 years old at the time... so it was believable.  If I saw it
again today, I might not like it as much.  :-)

Anyway, I did see Meteor Storm last night on SyFy and it was as bad as I
expected.  I haven't seen a good movie on SyFy in years... but for some odd
reason, I still flip the channel to it, just in case they might have a good
movie for once.  I loved it when the lady said that the meteorites were the
size of bullets (when she was on Alcatraz Island), but 10 seconds earlier
when she had one in her hand and was studying it, it was about the size of
her fist.  :-)  And even though the meteorites were supposed to be small,
they would take out 3 floors of an office or apartment building when they
hit, yet impacts to people or the ground caused holes that were just a few
inches in diameter.  As expected, the special effects were horrible,
especially the flames from the Aries rocket that they launched at the end of
the movie.  The flames looked like they were made on an old PC computer
using CGA (not CGI) EGA graphics.  Instead of a smooth progression from one
color to another, you could see a definite yellow area, then a definite
orange area, etc.  At least the acting wasn't horrible.  Not great, but not
the worst I've seen.

It was just another really bad movie that won't help the education of
humanity. But, obviously, it was only meant for mindless entertainment.
Mindless?  Yes.  Entertainment?  I'm not sure about that.  :-)

But, there was at least one thing that I think was good.  The big asteroid
that was going to hit at the end of the movie was called Apophis, which is a
real NEO (near Earth object). Good for them. There was one other good thing,
but I can't remember it.  Sorry.

Regards,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:37 AM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy

Walter:

They also had Meteor on (1979), which predates all the disasteroid
movies that came out at the time of Shoemaker-Levy 9.

Not quite as bad a movie, but not the bast in the world given it cast:

Sean Connery (Bond, James Bond)
Karl Malden

those famous Russian actors
Natalie Wood and Brian Keith

many more famous actors

and a cast of thousands (at least hundreds) as it includes all those
people in red shirts that you know are going to die.

All of these gems for now quite so good science.

It has been a while since I have seen it, but now have nice copies of them
that I can bring to class.

Larry



 They had a movie called Asteroid on earlier today.  That one is a real
 keeper as well.  I love it when rocks just explode into huge fireballs on
 impact with the ground :-)

 -Walter Branch

 - Original Message -
 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
 To: Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy


 Thanks for the link. It is on in 20 minutes (10:00 here in Tucson). It
 looks like a gem, something that I can use in my class as an example
 of
 what is wrong with this scene?

 Larry

 So, anyone else watching this masterpiece on Syfy?

 http://www.apocalypticmovies.com/tag/meteor-storm/

http://www.sfuniverse.com/2010/01/29/michael-trucco-talks-battlestar-big-ban
g-and-one-huge-meteor-storm/

 Clear Skies!
 Elizabeth

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Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

I was hoping to not get involved in this, but Greg's just gave me the idea
for this clever one (I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet):

Hemaroid - The horrible feeling, very low in your gut, that you get when you
find out that your meteorite is really a hematite meteor-wrong.

Ok, no more from me.  :-)

Bob Loeffler


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:58 AM
To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words

Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the doctor 
is required!

Greg


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From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


 I'll add two more

 Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular 
 meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various

 meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!

 Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long 
 searched out is found and added to your collection.


 --
 Richard Kowalski
 http://fullmoonphotography.net
 IMCA #1081



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery

[Bob Loeffler]

Maybe someone shot a potato gun into the air, the potato dropped down
through the roof, shredded apart and onto someone's plate of French fries.
They should ask their patrons if anyone had any undercooked fries that
night.  :-)

I wish I had known about this earlier.  I would've driven down there to
check it out, but tomorrow I have to work.  :-(

Bob Loeffler



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Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New Years.  Explosives?

Perhaps somebody shooting a hole thru the ceiling  from inside?
GeoZay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -December24, 2009

[Bob Loeffler]

Well done, Linton!  It looks very realistic.  I even see a little bit of
rust (or dirt), just like the real shopping carts/baskets/buggies that we
have in our stores.  :-)

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Linton
Rohr
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:24 AM
To: Robert Woolard; GREG LINDH; Joe Kerchner; d...@fallingrocks.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day
-December24, 2009

Thank you gentlemen.
I was hoping you'd enjoy my effort. It was fun putting it together.
There's still a little kid in me somewhere, trying to have fun.
Thanks to Michael as well, for letting the kid out to play. ;^)
Linton

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From: Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
To: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
December24, 2009


 Michael and Linton,

  Great Pic of the Day. Very clever. Thanks guys for sharing this with us 
 all. Keep up the good work in the coming year, Michael!

  Best wishes,
  Robert Woolard


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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 
 24, 2009
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 Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 8:01 PM
 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_24_2009.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: 250 gram lot, Last of material Illinois meteorwrong

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Joe,

Please remember the limit of one ad per week on this list.  Thanks.

Happy holidays!

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Kerchner
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:44 AM
To: meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: 250 gram lot,Last of material Illinois
meteorwrong

I am letting this 250 gram lot go for $150 with free shipping

This is the last of this material I have for sale. after this it is gone.

If interested email me off list.

Happy Holidays,
Best Wishes,
Joe 


- Original Message 
From: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 10:45:40 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 250 gram lot, Illinois meteorwrong. No more
available til at least spring

I have a 250 gram lot of this material for sale, it is the very last of what
I have for sale. 
I will not have anymore of this until spring if I am lucky enough to find
more. 
The lot is many cut and polishes pieces, slices, end cuts, windowed
individual, complete individual. Some are over 30 grams a couple over 20
grams, several between 5-10. a several between 10-20. Some of these pieces
are the only piece that I have offered for sale of certain matrixes.
I have a couple lithogies that look superb but only found a single small
stone, I kept most of them, but they all have a piece in this lot. This lot
has a lot of smaller pieces but very nice pieces, even the smallest piece
mhas a great viewing surface. I will send photos of the lot if you
requested, haven't taken any yet.

I will sell this lot for $175

If you are interested in this contact me through email, OFF-LIST It will go
to the first email I recieve.
Happy Holidays and God Bless

Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner

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Re: [meteorite-list] Whetstone Mountains Monograph

[Bob Loeffler]

I got mine too (yesterday).  #69 of 97.  :-)  I've read only about 10 pages
so far, but from what I've seen, it's a job well done.  Thanks Dave G. and
Jack S!

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
b...@peaktopeak.com
Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster
North Jeffco Gem  Mineral Club (Arvada, CO  USA)
http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com

Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3



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Catterton
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:47 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Whetstone Mountains Monograph

I just received my autographed copy of Whetstone Mountains monograph.

I have to say an excellent job was done on this, and I am super pleased to
have one.
The documentation is an incredible read that I will certainly take time to
read more then once.
The fragment is got even had a nice spot of fusion crust on it!

If you ordered one and have not got it yet, just wait!!!
Thats all Im gonna say. I dont want to spoil it for those that have not seen
it in person.

Great job to all involved in this.

Greg C.


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi GeoZay and others,

From what I've seen from Steve over the last 2 years (that's how long I've
been on the list), he has been a good, upstanding citizen of the Met list,
although yes, he has waay too many ads.

But, I have seen other e-mails on this list that say that he is a cheater.
For example, maybe he has a met specimen that is one thing, but he says that
it's something else (e.g. the labeling is incorrect).  I have never seen
this problem first hand from him, but I think that this is where the
animosity on this list about him comes from.  In other words, it's not just
from the constant ads that he posts here.  I got a free meteorite from
him... and I'm grateful for that... but from what I've seen, maybe he isn't
careful enough about what he is giving away or selling. I'm definitely not
an expert, but when I got the freebie from him, the label was hand written
(probably by him) and there is no way to know whether it was really what he
said it was.  He did not provide a real label from the original seller.  I
could sell you a Lunar without a label and there is no way for you to know
if it's really a lunar or terrestrial or something else.  Maybe he is the
most reputable guy on this list, or maybe not.  Whether he gives away lots
of freebies or not doesn't matter.  That could be a front to make him look
good.  Or, maybe he really is that nice of a guy.  I don't know.

There is a history that most of us don't know about.  We are reminded of it
every few months on this list.  But, there are always a few people who say
he treated me well with freebies, but there are those who have been around
long enough who might've been burned by Steve.  I'm not saying that it
actually happened, because I wasn't on this list back then, but... if it
happened, then we shouldn't get in the middle of it because we weren't there
when it happened.  If someone was burned by him, they should let us know
exactly what happened so we can be aware of it.

Regards,

Bob


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
geo...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

??No, more like you think he is a great  guy for giving you free crack. 
But he's not giving me crack...just a  meteorite. The same thing you and 
most people on this list purchase. Are you  actually saying that crack and 
meteorites are equally bad? 
 Then  after you loose your job, family and end up living on the streat, 
you realize  there is no such thing as a freebie.
I suppose some folks can lose  their jobs for meteorite acquisitions, but 
I'm not sure how? I've had contact  with Steven for at least 2 maybe 3 years

now and he's never asked anything of  me. Actually, almost all of our 
conversations have simply laid along the lines  of making arrangements of
him 
mailing me a freebie. 

All freebies  come with a price.

Postage? Actually, he usually pays for this as  well. 

 The question to be asked is what is the  price?  My integrity?

I guess that's it...I lack integrity  for accepting free meteorites from 
him. Dang...I must be a real threat to the  dealers. :O)
GeoZay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all,

This is getting tiring.  How about we do this 

Greg Hupe contacts the Moroccan's that he has problems with and tries to
reconcile with them the problems that he has had.

Bob



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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of habibi
abdelaziz
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:38 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

Hi all - 

grondine wrote

We see adds for unclassified NWAs by the kilo. Clearly the Moroccans would
like to be able to directly sell unclassified NWAs mentioning possible
classes. 
-
no, they are from 15 year selling unclassified nwa nothing has changed , see
the meteortical bulletain , in 5000 nwa 10 or so have been classified by nwa
guys, so this is not the problem, they are selling the same way they are
doing there is 15 years,
---
I am pretty certain that when finders come in with stones for them, they
have to make eyeball determinations. 

yes you are right ,we do gamble each day , you get it or you leave it , its
the middlemans that support tha gamble , the world dealer  buy with garantie
is it turn to be not good they are refunded,  so what has changed nothing,
-

Can not some reasonable wording be found, or some new word or term, like
unclassified possible be come up with? Something that would be clear? 
And could there be some kind of IMCA guarantee that is the possible turns
out to be impossible, there be some kind of regular refund/exchange
mechanism set in place? -

---

i have asked for that last year , to inculde many moorcans in the imca and
ask them to fallow the rules.

_
In other words, some kind of rules so that Moroccan middlemen could be
recognized by the IMCA? 
Can some reasonable solution be found? 

---
do trust you partner if there is a problem ask for a refund , also you can
ask for a sample before you buy and than everything is easy



Could I ask for a little more civiliaty in this discussion? 

===
yes i agree with you this list need more respectfull debat and discussion
incase of this barbaries and this noise;
 no one has the right to treat anyone badly or saying bad words , no one has
this right.

so ask i ask here for more wise and respectfull  comminications



habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170/font


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

[Bob Loeffler]

Sorry, I think my last e-mail got sent before I was done...

After Greg Hupe contacts the Moroccan's who he has a problem with, if he
doesn't get resolutions that he expects, then he should let all of us know
who is involved, what happened and why he is still angry.  I'm sure he has
tried this before, but let's just assume that they never got the
notification from Greg for whatever reason, so Greg should try one more
time.  Let us know exactly which ones he has a problem with so we don't
assume that it really is ALL Moroccans.  Obviously, he hasn't dealt with
ALL Moroccans, just like ALL American dealers suck (which I have also
heard), but we know that this is not true.  It's just a generalization.

I have purchased meteorites from Greg via eBay in the past, but I might not
anymore unless he mans up with the details, instead of saying all
Moroccans.  That's a cop out.  I don't have any financial gain for what I'm
requesting.  I believe in fairness and full disclosure.  If people don't
want to fully disclose the problems that they've dealt with, then don't even
mention it here on the list!  We don't want to hear it!  Don't mention it in
passing if you don't want to give the full details.  It doesn't help any of
us if we don't know the whole story.  If direct correspondence with the
party in question doesn't resolve the issue, then let us know the details so
we can make an informed decision.

I'm sorry for being so direct (that is usually not like me), but this
bitching back and forth really starts to wear on me (and others, I'm sure)
when nothing gets accomplished.  Give us details. If it's the truth, then
you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks,

Bob

-Original Message-
From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:b...@peaktopeak.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:23 PM
To: 'habibi abdelaziz'; 'meteorite list'
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

Hi all,

This is getting tiring.  How about we do this 

Greg Hupe contacts the Moroccan's that he has problems with and tries to
reconcile with them the problems that he has had.

Bob



-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of habibi
abdelaziz
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:38 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

Hi all - 

grondine wrote

We see adds for unclassified NWAs by the kilo. Clearly the Moroccans would
like to be able to directly sell unclassified NWAs mentioning possible
classes. 
-
no, they are from 15 year selling unclassified nwa nothing has changed , see
the meteortical bulletain , in 5000 nwa 10 or so have been classified by nwa
guys, so this is not the problem, they are selling the same way they are
doing there is 15 years,
---
I am pretty certain that when finders come in with stones for them, they
have to make eyeball determinations. 

yes you are right ,we do gamble each day , you get it or you leave it , its
the middlemans that support tha gamble , the world dealer  buy with garantie
is it turn to be not good they are refunded,  so what has changed nothing,
-

Can not some reasonable wording be found, or some new word or term, like
unclassified possible be come up with? Something that would be clear? 
And could there be some kind of IMCA guarantee that is the possible turns
out to be impossible, there be some kind of regular refund/exchange
mechanism set in place? -

---

i have asked for that last year , to inculde many moorcans in the imca and
ask them to fallow the rules.

_
In other words, some kind of rules so that Moroccan middlemen could be
recognized by the IMCA? 
Can some reasonable solution be found? 

---
do trust you partner if there is a problem ask for a refund , also you can
ask for a sample before you buy and than everything is easy



Could I ask for a little more civiliaty in this discussion? 

===
yes i agree with you this list need more respectfull debat and discussion
incase of this barbaries and this noise;
 no one has the right to treat anyone badly or saying bad words , no one has
this right.

so ask i ask here for more wise and respectfull  comminications



habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170/font


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Dave,

Exactly.  If Chicago Steve is misrepresenting his freebies (or the ones that
he sells), that could affect a lot of people's collections.  This goes for
everyone, not just Steve.

Bob



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From: Dave Gheesling [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:27 PM
To: 'Bob Loeffler'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

Yes Bob.  And if said allegations were true, then it would not be an
individual who's integrity was diminished by accepting such freebies...but
rather the integrity of his collection.  Authenticity, provenance,
integrity...absolutely paramount to this arena.
Dave 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Loeffler
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:10 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

Hi GeoZay and others,

From what I've seen from Steve over the last 2 years (that's how long 
I've
been on the list), he has been a good, upstanding citizen of the Met list,
although yes, he has waay too many ads.

But, I have seen other e-mails on this list that say that he is a cheater.
For example, maybe he has a met specimen that is one thing, but he says that
it's something else (e.g. the labeling is incorrect).  I have never seen
this problem first hand from him, but I think that this is where the
animosity on this list about him comes from.  In other words, it's not just
from the constant ads that he posts here.  I got a free meteorite from
him... and I'm grateful for that... but from what I've seen, maybe he isn't
careful enough about what he is giving away or selling. I'm definitely not
an expert, but when I got the freebie from him, the label was hand written
(probably by him) and there is no way to know whether it was really what he
said it was.  He did not provide a real label from the original seller.  I
could sell you a Lunar without a label and there is no way for you to know
if it's really a lunar or terrestrial or something else.  Maybe he is the
most reputable guy on this list, or maybe not.  Whether he gives away lots
of freebies or not doesn't matter.  That could be a front to make him look
good.  Or, maybe he really is that nice of a guy.  I don't know.

There is a history that most of us don't know about.  We are reminded of it
every few months on this list.  But, there are always a few people who say
he treated me well with freebies, but there are those who have been around
long enough who might've been burned by Steve.  I'm not saying that it
actually happened, because I wasn't on this list back then, but... if it
happened, then we shouldn't get in the middle of it because we weren't there
when it happened.  If someone was burned by him, they should let us know
exactly what happened so we can be aware of it.

Regards,

Bob


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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
geo...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold (Elgin). Man of his word.

??No, more like you think he is a great  guy for giving you free 
crack. 
But he's not giving me crack...just a  meteorite. The same thing you and
most people on this list purchase. Are you  actually saying that crack and
meteorites are equally bad? 
 Then  after you loose your job, family and end up living on the 
 streat,
you realize  there is no such thing as a freebie. I suppose some folks can
lose  their jobs for meteorite acquisitions, but I'm not sure how? I've had
contact  with Steven for at least 2 maybe 3 years

now and he's never asked anything of  me. Actually, almost all of our
conversations have simply laid along the lines  of making arrangements of
him mailing me a freebie. 

All freebies  come with a price.

Postage? Actually, he usually pays for this as  well. 

 The question to be asked is what is the  price?  My integrity?

I guess that's it...I lack integrity  for accepting free meteorites from
him. Dang...I must be a real threat to the  dealers. :O) GeoZay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Libyan (looks like a) crater

[Bob Loeffler]

That is interesting.  I wonder how deep it is if someone walked to the
middle of it and scooped the sand out?  Maybe it's a highly eroded impact
crater that has been filled in with sand over the years.

The rock looks like a sedimentary conglomerate of sand and some darker
material.  I wouldn't call it fused, but I'm not an expert geologist.
What if that was a pool of water a long time ago and it got hit by
lightning?  The sand around the edge of the water wouldn't fuse as much as a
fulgurite would (since the water would distribute the electrical current
throughout the pool), but maybe there would be enough electrical current to
partially fuse it together?  Again, I'm not an expert.  Just guessing.  :-)

Bob Loeffler


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Bowling
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:39 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Randy Korotev
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Libyan (looks like a) crater

Randy,

It does look like a crater!  I wouldn't assume it's related to LDG per se,
as that glass is found in Egypt.  Did he give a rough indication of where in
Libya?  Wouldn’t an impact site for LDG be a bit larger in scale?  The
sample looks pretty interesting, but it could be sedimentary in nature
because, just looking at the photo, the tiny grains don’t look melted.  I
would be excited if I found such a feature.  Hard to say just from photos.

How about the Sahara explorers – have you seen many similar features in the
desert?


Thanks for sharing!

Mark B.
Vail, AZ

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu wrote:

 From: Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Libyan (looks like a) crater
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 8:21 AM
 Dear List:
 
 I received this intriguing e-mail today from someone I
 don't know.
 
 =
 
 Dear Randy, I am a geophysicist and had a recent trip on
 Libyan desert for campaign of geophysical investigations,
 mostly GPR and Geoelectric tomography. Going back to the
 camp I found at sunset –due to low angle light- something
 strange on the flat desert surface.
 
 I found a perfect circular crater with melt sand scattered
 around . sand grains are melt and embedding larger quartz
 grains. In my opinion that’s a impact crater and sand is
 melt because of the heat wave. Larger grains had no time to
 melt .
 
 That melt rock has a black matrix-nothing like that in the
 area, also there are no similar structures in that flat,
 flat flat  desrt surface, sand is only silica and
 quartz grain and no dark matrix can be seen for kilometers.
 
 I made a few geophysics on the spot and found big electric
 anomalies and very anomalous readings of Geoelectric
 values.
 
 I took a few samples of melt rock –very heavy really.
 
 I am posting a few photos of the crater.
 
 I have another stone found at 2500 m on the bed of a melt
 glacier, same story, that’s not a stone of the area, it is
 like a fuse, heavy and black inside with a very aerodynamic
 shape, I will mail you a photo ( after reading once more
 your recommendations) if interested . for sure not a human
 artifact or an original stone of the area.
 
 Sorry to disturb,
 ...
 =
 I put the photos here:
 
 http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/libyan_crater.htm
 
 The round thing in the desert looks something like a
 crater.  Maybe it's a bomb crater.  Maybe it's a
 meteorite impact crater.  The rock doesn't look like
 samples of Libyan desert glass that I've seen.  I don't
 know the LDG story well.  Has there ever been a crater
 associated with the glass?
 
 
 Randy Korotev
 Saint Louis, MO
 koro...@wustl.edu
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Show

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Noah,

Yes, the Denver Show was this week (and weekend).  I sent out an e-mail to
the list on Saturday, August 29th with details of the auction and
get-together, so you must've missed it.  The auction and get-together was
last night.  I wasn't able to attend due to illness, but I talked to Bill
Jensen today and he said that it was a good time, although there were fewer
items in the auctions than usual.

The Denver Show ends tomorrow (Sunday) night.  See the main Denver Show's
website link below.  Fred Hall of Meteorhall and Ronnie McKenzie are both in
our main show.  The other big show (which has Blaine Reed Meteorites and a
couple others) is at the Holiday Inn hotel.  That show's details can be
found at:  http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_fall.htm

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/

Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman
Denver Gem and Mineral Show
http://www.DenverMineralShow.com


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Travers
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:02 PM
To: meteoritecentral
Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Show

Is there a Denver Meteorite Show this year?

I have not heard anything about it on this supposed meteorite list between
all the alien, pope, and other off topic posts.

Is the Denver show that bad this year that no one wants to talk about it?
Sales and traffic must really be down this year.  Even the Colorado dealers
are keeping quiet.

Awaiting news guys.

Noah



  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Spacifieds.com It's a great idea!

[Bob Loeffler]

Steve said: I can't understand all the negative posts against
Spacifieds.com.  It is a good idea who's time has come.

Hi Steve.  I don't think anyone is bashing the website.  It is a very good
idea and does look good.  It was just the constant notifications that were
bothering us.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Schoner
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:17 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Spacifieds.com It's a great idea!

This is a great idea to help rid this list of countless ebay adds that often
infest this list.

Looking at it, I like what I see.

Now, another idea, I wonder if Eric can add another category, for
radioactive items.

Ebay, has a stupid policy regarding this and often radioactive mineral
specimens, and tubes, and such are pulled-- for no reason at all.

Radioactivity is a subject that has always interested me, and I am a member
of yahoo's CDV700CLUB, (Geiger counter enthusiasts, and radioactive mineral
collectors).

And it also relates to meteorites as fresh falls are analyzed for for short
lived radioactive isotopes.  Also age dating depends on radioactive
analysis.

I can't understand all the negative posts against Spacifieds.com.   It is a
good idea who's time has come. 

Steve Schoner 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits Contest Update

[Bob Loeffler]

 Hey Bob, Anita, List,
 Thanks for the plug for Spacifieds! I appreciate it. ;)

No problem, Eric.  :-)

 Also, Thank you very much for the kind words on what I'm doing Bob. I'm 
 trying against all odds, and fighting upstream and uphill, but it seems 
 to be working. We'll see.

It does look good.  Keep up the great work.

 I don't know about you, but I would certainly like better to read about 
 something that is contributing to the meteorite and astronomy world and 
 community as a whole, rather than the negative posts that's been posted 
 of late. Not to get into anything heavy, but I've written LONG emails 
 that I have not posted to the list concerning this issue. Rather than 
 post more negative content, I wanted to actually contribute something 
 instead. Something for everyone to use and enjoy.

 To sum it up. If they can post their negative stuff without consequences 
 so can I! Simple as that. Sorry if that sounds petty or harsh or like a 
 double standard but sometimes the truth hurts.

You are comparing apples to oranges.  I never said, nor implied, that I
wanted to see negative posts or other off topic posts versus your ads.  No
one ever asked Would you rather see Eric's ads or negative posts? Pick
one.  That's not at issue here.

 Before anyone judges me, my posts or my sites, I'd like you to think 
 back about the last month or two and the posts to the list, and you'll 
 be forced to agree that my posts, are NOTHING compared to the libelous, 
 and flaming attacks that EVERYONE has had to deal with.

Again, this is not the issue or question.  No matter how many negative or
off-topic posts there are, it doesn't give you or anyone else the right to
break the rules.

 I don't have to make it, I don't have to offer free ads, I don't have to 
 give away free links to dealer sites, I don't have to pay the fees it 
 costs me to run the site, I don't have to spend the time designing it, I 
 don't have to spend countless hours building and marketing it, I don't 
 have to build sites for other people on list, I don't have to help 
 people with their advertising in this down economy, I don't have to do 
 anything concerning this list.

 I do it because I genuinely want to, and because I want to contribute 
 something to the community! NOT solely to make money or sell ad space.

And I'm sure everyone is glad you are doing this for the meteorite
community.  For that, I thank you sincerely.

 I ask everyone, honestly which is worse? My so called ads or the 
 vitriol that's been spewed forth on this list the last couple months! If 
 you can answer that honestly I want to here from you.

Again, why do you compare what everyone else is doing to justify why you
broke the rule?  It doesn't matter which is worse.  Bad is bad.  Breaking
the rules is bad. The level of badness (yeah, I know, it's not a word)
doesn't matter.

 By the way, take a look at my new site and take part.  Don't just 
 complain about my posts. Have any of you actually gone to the site and 
 tried it?

Yes, your site is good.  I have not posted anything to it, but I can see it
is a good site.

I won't beat this dead horse anymore.

Regards,

Bob



Bob Loeffler wrote:
 Oh my god, Eric!  Enough!  Please.  I know you are trying to provide a
 much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your
posts
 are not Ads, yet they really are.  They are more annoying than most other
 peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your
 websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS.  Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself
in
 your body???  :-)  Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your
 Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is
 free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to
 result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where
 you are trying to rent ad space on your websites (P.S. I still have 5
 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99
year
 or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com...), so that's
 obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these updates every
 day.  Only ONE per week, please.  Maybe at the end of the week you can
tell
 us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail.

 BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like
 what you are doing.  It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the
rules.
 Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me.  :-)

 Thanks,

 Bob


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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Meteorites
 USA
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits  Contest Update

 Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits!

 Spacifieds.com -
 Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs
 Over - 400+ unique visitors

[meteorite-list] Denver Show 2009 Meteorite Auction and Get-Together with the COMETS

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi all!

Here is my one and only AD for the year.  ;-)

Meteorite World Get-Together
Sponsored by the COMETS
COlorado METeorite Society

FEATURING:  FOOD, BEER and AUCTIONS!
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 18 at 6PM
In the Mineral and Fossil Supply showroom
1441 West 46th Avenue, Unit 7, Denver, Colorado

We are having two auctions this year!  One is Oral (as usual) and the other
is a Silent Auction.  Please see our website for all of the details:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm
 
Sellers are strongly encouraged to register items for the Auction early.
This year we will have a limit to the number of items that will be allowed
in the Oral Auction (5 per Seller; 30 total). Additional items can be
entered into the Silent Auction. The room will open at 5:00pm.

Buyers are invited to come between 6pm and 8pm for check-in, to preview the
pieces offered in the Oral Auction, and to bid on silent auction items.

6 - 8:00pm  -  Silent Auction (6 - 7:30pm), Socializing, food and drink
8 - 9:30pm  -  Oral Auction
9:30 - ???  -  More socializing!

Please see our website for all of the details, including a map:
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/auction.htm

Regards,

Bob Loeffler
COMETS
http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/


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Re: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits Contest Update

[Bob Loeffler]

Oh my god, Eric!  Enough!  Please.  I know you are trying to provide a
much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts
are not Ads, yet they really are.  They are more annoying than most other
peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your
websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS.  Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in
your body???  :-)  Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your
Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is
free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to
result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where
you are trying to rent ad space on your websites (P.S. I still have 5
(125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year
or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com...), so that's
obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these updates every
day.  Only ONE per week, please.  Maybe at the end of the week you can tell
us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail.

BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like
what you are doing.  It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules.
Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me.  :-)

Thanks,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites
USA
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits  Contest Update

Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits!

Spacifieds.com -
Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs
Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited
46 Total Ads Posted

Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys!

Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade
Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the Official 
Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE!
ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet 
any ad posting!
You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter!

Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get 
this meteorite:
http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det
ails/

UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred 
Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views)
Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if 
you want to see it.

Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction 
links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings.

Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad 
listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your 
Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google 
likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken 
links.

BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related 
website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to 
visitors on EVERY page of the site.

Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 
pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page 
of the site!

There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out.
http://www.spacifieds.com

What are you waiting for.

Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this 
could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and 
astronomy community.

I know you can use it, and hope you like it!

Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If 
you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or 
scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related 
classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got 
an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related 
comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you 
have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific 
equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab 
equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for 
free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings.

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
Spacifieds.com

P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites 
USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and 
MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm


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Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Mike H. and all,

Even if some of the people on the list are interested, that doesn't mean
that it should be allowed.  If it's not on-topic, it is still breaking the
list rule because it's not about meteorites, meteors, etc.  The Alien and
matrix discussions were also not on topic.  If we allow this to go on, then
everyone can post their own off-topic messages and we'll have a
free-for-all.  Let's try to keep everything somewhat related to meteorites.
Otherwise, I'll start talking about my house or my Jeep or my cats (because
they are all on the Earth... and meteorites hit the Earth... therefore they
must be on-topic, right?).  And then we'll have the Haiku poets come out of
the woodwork... argh.  :-)

Thanks,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Hankey
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:55 PM
To: Michael Blood
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question

i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a
good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can
tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete
the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of
fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would
miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as
the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor
related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies
often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly
awaiting Rob's answer.

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.j
pg

Mike Hankey,

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote:
 Please guys,
        This is not exactly hard core meteorite related.
        A few posts - ok  - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this
 On and on and on and on is enough already!
        Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off
 The list, please?
        ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members
 Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to
 The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q
 Going
        Not to be a bummer - Michael


 On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:

 On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote:

 Ok, so what's the speed of dark?


 The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be,
 otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way.

 http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] The History Channel asteroids episode

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Darren and list,

My McAfee SiteAdvisor threw up a HUGE red flag for that website.  You can
read about it here:

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/banner.adtrgt.com/cpi.jsp??showInterS=false

Can the asteroids episode be found anywhere else?

Thanks,

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Garrison
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 2:13 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] The History Channel asteroids episode

If you weren't able to watch it on TV, here's a download link:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/93kele
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Walter, Darryl, et al,

 Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something?

This is exactly the point (and question) that I was trying to make.  For it
to be called a hammer, does the meteorite itself have to physically strike a
human, animal or human artifact?  In my opinion, it does have to.  If the
meteorite hits the ground and creates a crater/pit and a chunk of
terrestrial rock flies up and hits a person on the head, I don't consider
that a hammer. If a person gets knocked down from a meteorite's shock wave
(that resonates through the air or ground), that is not a hammer, in my
opinion.  I think the damage (major or minor) must be created DIRECTLY by
the meteorite, not indirectly (i.e. air pressure, ground tremors, flying
terrestrial material, etc).

The discussion above is for general clarification of hammers.  As for
Carancas, if it hit a man-made spring/watering hole, then it is a hammer. I
didn't know about the spring, so I previously thought that it was only
classified as a hammer because of it killing one or more animals, or
knocking a guy off his feet, or something hitting the metal roof of that
building.  None of those have been proven to be directly caused by the
meteorite itself, as far as I have read, so that's why I wasn't sure if
Carancas was a hammer.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Branch
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 5:59 PM
To: Darryl Pitt
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

The problem is where you draw the distinction.
What about a person or animal who is not killed by the shock wave but may by

thrown the ground, either by compressed air or ground movement?  Would that 
meteorite be considered a hammer?

What about sound waves that travel through the air as a meteorite flies 
overhead and reach a human eardrum, thus producing a sound?  Technically, 
the compressed air impacted a human eardrum, so would that meteorite be 
considered a hammer.

What about a clod of dirt thrown up in the impact, hitting someone's shoe?

Speaking only for myself, I draw a distinction between a person, animal or 
man-made object who is actually hit, or makes physical contact with the 
meteorite vs. not.  Nothing, more.

Besides, one could also argue that neither the blast wave nor the bomb 
actually killed our hypothetical person.  It was the bomber who actually 
killed the person.  Then we open up another can of worms, so-to-speak.

Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something?

My advert:  Above fueled by fruit punch from ye old Piggly Wiggly (it's a 
grocery store chain here in the southeast US)

No foolin' :-)


-Walter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

[Bob Loeffler]

Ok, then I'm glad I didn't start collecting hammers because that should
dramatically increase the hammer count out there.   :-)  So West is
definitely a hammer because it fell on farmland.

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren
Garrison
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:41 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:35:29 -0600, you wrote:

Is a baseball field a human artifact?  The bases on the field are, so are
the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt?
If
the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world
since humans planted or landscaped them.  

Yes, every place kept with a cover of grass which would, when left to
nature,
revert to forest in just a few years is an artificially maintained,
unnatural
human artifact.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Mike and list,

I don't know who Teddy is, but the way I saw it was that he was just trying
to help since nobody else was publicly pulling the stone count data together
into a centralized place.  We would all see the numerous e-mails that said
Rob found x stones, then another that said Ruben found y stones, etc.
But it would be easy to miss one of the emails, and most of us don't have
time to compile the info ourselves.  Maybe someone was already doing that
behind the scenes without the list knowing about it, or maybe not.  I just
thought that it was nice of Teddy to take the initiative to do it.  Did he
have some other motive?  Who knows!  But I don't see what he could've gotten
from doing this besides a thank you and maybe his name credited at the end
of an official report.

On a slightly different tangent, I wanted to say thanks to you and all of
the people who did all of the walking of the fields to rescue as many of
the West meteorites as possible.

Thanks and regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:39 PM
To: Meteorite List; Notkin
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?


Geoff

Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. 
I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article
in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information
as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit.
We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I
have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier,
there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting.
I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named
were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly
so. 

As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is
absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list
suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field
work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of
the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things.

Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who
I am reporting data to. 

I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add
your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. 
So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. 
There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be
extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's
finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible.
Michael Farmer

Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight.


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote:

 From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers
?
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
 Michael Farmer wrote:
 
  Steve Arnold Notkin
  Thompson Phillips wesel
  All are refusing to share a scrap of data
  Mike
 
 
 Mike:
 
 I suggest you get your facts straight before you start
 accusing my team mates of anything.
 
 Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips,
 Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all
 already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm
 sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are
 comfortable with it.
 
 As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out
 with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We
 also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed
 them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked
 them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As
 such, I will not have the great group of people I was
 hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret
 searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and
 Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list.
 Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from
 your own people before complaining about anyone else.
 
 It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on
 this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data
 collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John
 Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it
 would be even better if we could get along while doing it,
 without pointing fingers.
 
 
 Geoff N.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

[Bob Loeffler]

Hi Michael,

 I have 10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens
 - Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station,
 a baseball Field, a fence, etc.

Is a baseball field a human artifact?  The bases on the field are, so are
the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt?  If
the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world
since humans planted or landscaped them.  I'm not trying to start an
argument, but just want to get this loophole closed/clarified for all of the
hammer collectors out there.  Most of the trees in Phoenix were planted by
humans over the last couple hundred years, so if a meteorite hits a tree in
Phoenix, would that be considered a hammer stone?  I mention Phoenix because
that is where I am from and I know that most of the trees are not indigenous
to the area (besides the palo verdes, cottonwoods, some of the palms, etc).
And yes, many of the palms, palo verdes, etc were also planted/transplanted
to their current locations by people, so...

Thanks for any clarification to this question.

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:19 PM
To: Jeff Grossman; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

Jeff,
This has been established in the nomenclature over the
Last few years as follows:

1) A hammer is a specimen which was part of a fall in which
one or more stones or irons struck an artifact, animal or human

2) A hammer stone is one of the actual specimens of the
Fall that, itself, struck said artifact, animal or human.

3) Many specimens are collected as a hammer because they
Were part of the fall but did not (or it is not know if they),
Themselves strike the artifact/animal or human.

4) Many Hammer falls had only one stone out of many strike
Something, but the other stones were all part of that one
Meteoroid prior to break up, yes?

5) Of course, a hammer stone, itself is more valuable to a hammer
Collector than merely one of the specimens of the fall (I have
10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens -
Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball
Field, a fence, etc.

6) I have little interest in collecting Homestead as a hammer, except
Spcimens cut from the one stone that broke the horse corral fence.

Pretty much, in other words, if you are a hammer enthusiast,
Ya takes what cha can git.
Best wishes, Michael

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Re: [meteorite-list] West, TX meteorite hunt, day 5

[Bob Loeffler]

I don't like West as the official name because it will be confusing.
Someone will say the words West Texas and it sounds like they are saying
that it was in western Texas, not an actual town called West.  It's more
obvious when it's written (e.g. West, Texas) but when people speak it, it
will sound ambiguous.

Just my .02 cents worth.

But in any case, congrats to you (Mike) and everyone else!  I wish I could
be there.

Regards,

Bob
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:15 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, TX meteorite hunt, day 5

Well, back in the hotel after a long day's hunt. Our team recovered 9
meteorites today, including the one you saw in the pic of the day. 
We have extended the strewn field much longer today, with confirmed finds
nearly 10 miles apart. All together, my team has recovered 30 meteorites. 
We are just starting. 
The distribution of these stones is interesting, we have 5 gram meteorites
being recovered nearly 10 miles from first to last, usually you have normal
size segregation, it seems this fall disrupted so many times, that sizes are
not really where they should be. I have no idea how far the main mass went,
we will only guess that the largest piece has been found when someone finds
a larger piece every day. 
We found two broken stones today, and inside was the most amazing breccia.
It reminds me of St Michel, white interior with spiderweb veins and nice
darker clasts in a light cream-colored matrix.
I spoke to most hunters today, and it is almost unanimous that no one wants
to sell stones. I have seven myself and would not sell any of them. Too hard
to find, too much walking and the money would not make much difference. I
will keep a nice jar full of  pristine flawless stones that have never been
rained on. At least the weather looks great for the next 10 days, if not a
little warm. 
It seems that virtually everyone who has come here has found a stone, a
wonderful thing, that hunters are being rewarded for their hard work. 
I would not expect, at least at this point, for many stones to be offered
for sale. Again, even at $50 gram or more, so far most people would not even
pay expenses for the trip, as most stones are under 20 grams. I guess that
about 10% are larger than that.

I am sure the meteorite will be named West, Cottonwood is already a name,
and I don't think this deserves to be a (b). A creek is just that, and I
know doug want's it named that after the landowner's creek, but NOMCOM is
not going to accept that. 
West, is a great name. 
We will see what tomorrow's hunt brings, 
good night to all.
Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of meteorites website has a new owner

[Bob Loeffler]

Congrats to the IMCA and Pierre-Marie!

Regards,

Bob
 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pelé
Pierre-Marie
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:19 AM
To: MeteoriteList
Subject: [meteorite-list] Encyclopedia of meteorites website has a new owner

Hello to the List,

I'm proud to announce the winner of the
Encyclopedia-of-meteorites website.

The winner is... The IMCA (International Meteorite
Collectors Association)

I'm sure the IMCA will do a great job on the
encyclopedia.

Sorry for the other bidders.

Pierre-Marie Pele


  
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