Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!
Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote: > > > Hi, > > Agreed on all countsexcept that Tatahouine (which is indeed a great > meteorite) has some pretty good company.;-) > > > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > >> Hi Darryl and List, >> >> It's not that Allende isn't worth $40 a gram, but the TKW is so large >> that it's hard to justify paying that much for it when the market is >> flush with quality specimens. We've been trained to think that >> Allende is a bargain and so it is. >> >> Another good example is Tatahouine - probably the world's most >> undervalued meteorite. It is a witnessed fall diogenite of exquisite >> beauty that has no parallel on the market, yet it regularly sells for >> $10/g or less. >> >> Then we see recent ordinary chondrite falls selling for $50-$80/g >> because of marketing - go figure? >> >> The one thing I have learned in my time of collecting (and dealing) >> meteorites is this - there is no rhyme or reason to the meteorite >> market. She is a fickle mistress. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> -- >> * >> >> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >> >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> >> *** >> >> >> On 12/13/11, Darryl Pitt wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't understand your intemperance. The suggestion that auctions are >>> inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at >>> auctionsand objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes >>> the market. >>> >>> Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that >>> resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in >>> meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters. >>> As I said previously, Allende was an anomaly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote: >>> This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to buy at the price they did. Matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com A: "Meteorite Central" meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST) Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!! > Hello Listers > > Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been > around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes > from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a > 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction > yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for > its value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the > market trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a > gram. The price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything > else, there is MasterCard :) > > http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/ > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBay story > http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@mete
Re: [meteorite-list] Real UFO?
A reflection in the camera lens. There are many different colored bright lights there. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:57 PM, wrote: > List, > What is this? Could somebody please explain this? see link; > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/ufo-nfl-game_n_1033966.html > > Carl > Meteoritemax > -- > Cheers > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
I would think each would be called Cat Mountain, if they are all classified the same as the first one and were found in the same area, suggesting a strewn field. There are no Franconia 002 or Gold Basin 002. I guess the 'name' of a meteorite is one of a single stone or the strewn field. My few grams worth. Congratulations to all the finders of the new stones and to Count on getting the classification done. I also look forward to Rubin's article. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: > Doug, > > I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not > show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the > TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were > internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he > said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he > used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number > designation spread. > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug wrote: >> >> ... > > >> >> Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 >> got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through >> LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from >> another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever >> happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... >> >> Kindest wishes >> Doug > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SLAGADOCIOUS!
Congrats Count... This is why you can never say for sure from photos. You have to hold it and look at it with a lens. I have found meteorites and posted them and people said they were not. I don't remember seeing it posted on the list before as well. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Count Deiro wrote: > Had a bit of trouble posting this, so excuse me if it's a duplicate...or a > triple! > > Hello Listees, > > Last month, some may recall that I sent out photos depicting a suspicious > looking 108 gram find made 3/23/11 and asking for opinions. The general > consensus was terrestrial and probably slag. I agreed initially with my > respected and more experienced colleagues, but curiosity over traits that > could be seen only by having the specimen in hand overcame my cheapness and I > sent 22+ grams off to be classified. > > Today, I am pleased to announce that the unusal slag like exterior concealed > an extremely fresh (WO/.1) L5 OC with an uncommon petrography. Efforts are > under way to recover additional finds in the field, so I pray indulgence > until we release the location which is in the western USA. > > http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/METEORITE%20FINDS%202/ > > Their out theregood hunting, > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rainbow Fusion crust
Simply amazing specimens. I wonder, has fusion crust with this iridescent appearance ever been examined by a lab or university? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:42 AM, "Mike Bandli" wrote: > Another nice example on Dave Gheesling's site: > > http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm > > > -- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > and join us on Facebook: > www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 > IMCA #5765 > --- > > > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin > Altmann > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:39 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rainbow Fusion crust > > Just some hours ago, > list-member Stephan Kambach sent me a picture of a Murchison individual, > showing such a rainbow effect. > > Best! > Martin > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike > Bandli > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2011 19:21 > An: 'Gary Fujihara'; 'Marc Fries' > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rainbow Fusion crust > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Congratulations to all that went, I wish I could have made it. Great job Ruben for setting this up and I'm looking forward to your videos and pics of this event. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: > Hi all, > > While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say > this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most > successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter > walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook > meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! > > We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger > as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and > expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” > Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of > their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! > > Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. > Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE > went home empty handed. > > Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt > was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know > of….. > > I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one > to be remembered. > I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be > shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn > Field” is still giving up! > > I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, > NO trouble whatsoever! > > So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. > > Stay tuned for video and photos! > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
Michael: I agree as I personally know someone who works there, and each time I return to the DC area I visit and get to see the specimens there; last year I saw and held Lorton. It should be on display for everyone to see, as it is one of the very rare falls in the vicinity of DC. And note: the landlord did decide to drop the case. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I > happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there > over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the > museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smithsonian > had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think they handled the > odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage and waited till > the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, merely one side > presenting it's case and the other theirs. > One side lost. > Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I > would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. > Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private > community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to > unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the > press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the > argument once it began. > I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a > museum for millions of people to see every year. > Michael Farmer >> >>> For the record... >>> >>> The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR >> nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian >> pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the >> Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely >> appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making >> them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued >> to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners >> must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, >> and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... >>> >>> They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were >> right". They dropped it because of the negative press and >> smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and >> the Smithsonian. Simple as that. >>> >>> This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. >> Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with >> regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on >> private property. >>> >>> Period. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: You find it , it's yours!: http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php >> Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Yep - you tell a lie enough times over and over, and the masses believe it to be the truth. That is... how you control the people. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Michael Blood wrote: > On 6/24/11 6:26 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer" wrote: > >> hillbilly racism and moon-landing >> nutjobbery. > > Hi Michael, > >Wonderful description. > >Oh, so many things are so greatly influenced by > the ignorant masses of this country. "Jay walking" > Is NOT faked - I know because these people show up > In my classes! Newsweek does a yearly "man on the > Street" 10 question test in 15 major cities. The AVERAGE > Score is 4 out of 10. The questions?... Which country is > Closer to the United States: France or Canada? Which > Came first, the Civil War or World War II? (Really, > ALL the questions are that simple... 4 out of 10! > >No one seems to get that our educational > System is going down the tubes as a result of nit wit, > Politically correct, see the student as a customer first > Attitudes coupled with a false sense of entitlement > And the taboo prevalent throughout the country > against flunking non-achievers. > >Harvard now gives ALL "A"s to all students in > All classes. (Parents aren't paying $40,000 per year > For their kids to get "B"s - there was a segment on > "60 Minutes" about this last year). > >These people don't just decide elections They > Are running a lot of things. The lower echelon of them > Are the face to face people you deal with in most stores. > >It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE! > >Let's hide! > >Michael > > -- > Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist. > You are thinking of Jesus. > (Street sign) > -- > Add two grains of sugar to everything you say > And one of salt to everything you hear. > > > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: FaceBook
Forgot google Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 9:25 PM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" wrote: > After the dust has settled, only the seven-headed beast shall remain > standing. The Hydra heads of the Leviathan will be called: FaceBook, Walmart, > Ebay, Apple, Exxon, Microsoft and Wikipedia. > > > Phil Whitmer > > --- > An orange-robed Buddhist monk, a Catholic priest and a Lutheran minister > enter a bar. The bartender looks up from polishing a glass and exclaims, "Is > this a joke?" > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
List: Has anyone read the book, "The Rock from Mars?" what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies wrote: > > I can't believe I read the whole thing. > > Bill > > >> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 >> From: danfur...@gmail.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless >> IMCA member >> >> O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me >> the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and >> several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew >> for certain it was practically impossible to have a "half stone" of >> NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA >> member. It turns out that he apparently "misread" the label and it >> was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical >> error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i >> ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram >> piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a >> refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that >> is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and >> one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the >> transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i >> sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of >> mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 >> grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and >> mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the >> right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is >> not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after >> i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me >> the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he >> stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it >> did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical >> errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of >> things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person >> is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected >> somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give >> his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any >> problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest >> mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite >> related material for many years and I have never made such critical >> errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double >> check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. >> I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these >> mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with >> them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the >> validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when >> buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA >> member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and >> i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through >> the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody >> doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting >> business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved >> but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according >> to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out >> there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always >> take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as >> described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it >> out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same >> thing. >> Daniel Furlan >> collector and dealer >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos...
All: I seriously doubt is from a new fall. If the person that found it thought so, why would they disappear? Why would they not try and find more? Why would all the deals from it's sale be untraceable? Just too many red flags. But would be interesting to find out what it is. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Greg Catterton wrote: > That is some of the speculation that it may be a new find, or a planted find. > Once I get some of the material returned, I am sending samples to be tested > to try to help determine what it is and how long its been on Earth. > > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites > > > --- On Sun, 5/8/11, Richard Montgomery wrote: > >> From: Richard Montgomery >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real Mifflin Photos... >> To: "michael cottingham" , >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 7:49 PM >> Hello List and Michael C. >> >> A huge compelling question is what the "fake" Mifflin >> really isChergach and Bassikounou have been suggested, >> or any popular H5 for that matter, and this relates to my >> intermediate topic question I posted during this thread with >> topic title "whole stone concerns" ...(I'm still interested >> in a detailed perspective on that as well.) >> >> Michael, 'twould be good to get the "fakes" analyzed asap, >> but I bet you're already well on your way for an >> answer. How weird it would be to actually be a new >> find? >> >> Richard Montgomery >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "michael cottingham" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 1:19 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin Update... and Real >> Mifflin Photos... >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Since Jason posted his discovery, 2 more pieces of >> "fake" Mifflin have been recovered. Taking into account cut >> loss, I think I am almost certain that I have recovered 95% >> of the stone that I was duped into buying. I will not >> be 100% certain until all of the pieces are returned to >> me. Even though, I have not been 100% refunded for my >> purchase, I feel it is important to refund people's money >> immediately or as fast as possible and to get this fake crap >> off the market and into the trash can... or maybe into a >> lawyer's hand! >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: If you have any doubt about a >> Mifflin specimen you obtained from me ...PLEASE send me a >> photo so I can confirm one way or the other. Especially ,if >> it does not look like anything in the Met Bulletin below. >> Even if you did not get it from me, but just want a second >> opinion... send me the photo. >>> >>> Here is also a link to photos of Real Mifflin. >> Everything posted in the Meteoritical Bulletin entry is >> indeed REAL Mifflin. >>> >>> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=52090 >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes >>> >>> Michael Cottingham >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Heeeeee's Ba-ack
Good example of Media-wrong. I wish they would check the facts. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:19 PM, "Rob Wesel" wrote: > Be sure to click the video > > http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/Man_Wants_Montrose_Recognized_as_the_Meteorite_Capitol_of_the_World_118308919.html > > > > Rob Wesel > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites > www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel > -- > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" wrote: > > The landlords got outlawyered: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html > > > By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM > When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal > limbo. > > The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky > across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in > Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 > in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an > appointment. > > The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it > to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the > world's largest collection of meteorites. > > But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the > asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound > meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented > entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a > photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across > the region. > > The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't > nice." Legal wrangling ensued. > > We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. > > The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the > doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, > and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders > last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the > Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been > set. > > "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We > felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." > > Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only > issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." > > "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips > Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. > "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it > go." > > The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around > between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in > the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of > other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. > > Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. > > "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." > > CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you > want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. > > > > > > Phil Whitmer > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Transfer of geological, marine artefacts illegal: MECA | Oman Observer
I work with a guy that lived in Oman, and he told me that you don't break any law - they are very serious about it. Like it or not, that's the way it is. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: > Seashells? Really? Every tourist coming to Florida would be arrested > if we had laws like that here. > > Note to self - stay out of Oman. > > > > On 3/10/11, Chris Spratt wrote: >> http://main.omanobserver.om/node/13322 >> >> >> Chris >> (Via my iPhone) >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > --- > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home
That's good news. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > Glad to see Mike & Robert are back home! > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Video up of Episode 2 - Insights on Meteorites
Very nicely done. All good advice. For me: I learn as I buy, and that's what makes it so fun. I'll acquire a new specimen and then read and learn about it or it's type. "buy low sell high" Ha... Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:41 PM, "McCartney Taylor" wrote: > The latest episode of Insights on Meteorites is now released! The topic > of this episode is meteorite dealers advice to new collectors. > > The link is only available thru Facebook at > http://www.facebook.com/OutofaBlueSky > Be sure to click the "Like" button while you are there! > > Video description > --- > "Meteorite Collecting can be daunting. Here is the advice from several > dealers for new meteorite collectors. Filmed at the Denver Meteorite > Show in 2010. Includes Advice from Blaine Reed, Mike Jensen, Marlin > Cilz, Viacheslav "Spock" Kalachev, Adam Aaronson, and John Humphries." > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
I disagree, the shooter has a history of threats against this congresswoman and our system of government. He still may be a nutcase, but it was not a random shooting Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2011, at 9:24 AM, "Becky and Kirk" wrote: > I agree---its not about politics at all. Its about crazy mental deficients. > > Kirk. > - Original Message - From: "Darryl Pitt" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting > > >> >> >> I assure you in this outpost of Western Civilization, children are not >> assaulted for political reasons. >> >> You answered your own question: this horrific brutality was borne from the >> fog of acute mental illness. >> >> d, >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2011, at 11:47 AM, joac...@jta.de wrote: >> >>> Zitat von Rob Matson : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I also hope that Gabrielle will survive as well as the others who are in >>> hospital. >>> Can somebody explain to us in Europe why there are so many idiots around >>> there shooting kids? There are also some here but not, as far as I know, >>> for political reasons. Mostly people with personal problems. >>> >>> All the best to you >>> >>> Joachim >>> >>> >>> I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
It's a very sad day in this country. Let this be a time to work together to solve our problems. I hope everyone is safe there in Tucson and the upcoming show goes as scheduled without incident. Also, let all our thoughts and prayers go to the families. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:41 PM, "Rob Matson" wrote: > I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are > all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a > Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including > a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including > U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the > head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob > > http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= > BN1 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - December 11, 2010
Sweet, I very nice specimen. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Michael Johnson wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_11_2010.html > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] metachondrite
I understand a metachondrite to be a chondrite that has undergone metamorphism resulting in recrystalization. The composition is much the same as in the original chondrite. There are different affinities, such as 'H' 'L' or 'LL'. I think there are others including E's and 'C' chondrites. I think they are a very interesting group of meteorites. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: > What is a metachondrite? Cheers Steve Dunklee > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
That is so cool - and no rust on it. Thanks for sharing Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:24 PM, "Mike Bandli" wrote: > Sorry if this has already been posted, but this pic is incredible: > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/gallery/pia13418.html > > > > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > and join us on Facebook: > www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 > IMCA #5765 > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July
List: What if during the next fall nobody pays the $100/gm price, then it will come down until people buy it. I know that will be hard to do, but the consumer can dictate the price. Although, there is the chance the sellers will not sell for less, then they have to keep them... the price will eventually come down, I would think. Oh well... it's all part of the hobby. Greg S. > From: dr...@emersonhosp.org > To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; fuzzf...@comcast.net; > meteoritem...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:42:09 + > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > Again, it is a matter of supply and demand and whether an individual > collector is willing to pay the price. The TKW for the WI fall is currently > low, but that wasn't known when the $100/gm prices were being charged. > Reports that the material was being bought from landownwers at $10/gm or less > don't help the feeling among collectors that they were/are being gouged, but > then it is an individual's choice to buy or not to buy. Nobody likes to feel > that they are being taken advantage of, but if that is the way it feels, > don't buy (I know that's hard!) > > As a collector, I don't like the price trends either, particularly when old, > historic falls with museum provenance are sometimes cheaper per gram, but > there is no "right" level for a fall, we are not entitled to a certain price. > The market will decide. > > Best regards, > David > > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg > Catterton > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:05 PM > To: Mike Bandli; Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alan > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > The WI fall was a strange one. I think too many people were trying to get > rich of others. > Before anyone comes at me with the numbers of the trip, I know and I > understand, but at the same time, it can be done for much less. > > When I see reports of the landowners selling the stones for less then $10 per > gram (I know of several who would not pay more the $3 per gram!)and then see > them selling it for $100/g or more, thats just too much... > > Why do you think the 2 kg stone was hushed up so much? I have seen pics of > it, so have many others and yet nobody wants to act like it exists and people > still call a 330g stone the main mass when in reality, its far from the main > mass. > > I dont like the trend with new falls and the prices that go with them, its > taking advantage of collectors. Thats the whole reason I sold my WI material > at $60 or less when others were still getting $100 or more... and I got many > mean emails filled with profanity over putting that price public... Why? They > knew they it would hurt the value. I did not sell it for that to do that, I > did it because its not worth any more then that, and anyone who says it is, I > ask again, why? > > There is likely 10kg or more of the fall, its not rare by any means. > > Sure there is a price to pay for those that cant make it to the fall site, > but when is it too much? > > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July >> To: "Mike Bandli" >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Shawn Alan" >> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 2:40 PM >> "In the end, I think this is all >> being overanalyzed to death. There is no >> magic formula for determining what the price is going to >> do. Did the price >> go down on Puerto Lapice, or Villalbeto de la Peña, or >> Daule, or >> Leighlinbridge? I bet many wish they did not wait for >> prices to fall on >> those." >> >> Agreed here. There is only one certainty about the >> meteorite market - >> she is fickle mistress. ;) >> >> There some falls that will never come down in price, due to >> scarcity >> of available specimens. Cali is a good example I >> think. Whetstone >> will likely hold it's value well. >> >> Maybe a good discussion would be "ATW" - or available total >> weight. A >> fall may have a sizeable TKW, but if the majority of the >> material is >> locked away from the private market, then the price will >> reflect that. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> On 7/1/10, Mike Bandli >> wrote: >>> MikeG wrote: "The TKW is vastly different, but TKW >> should not be a factor in >>> a fall being considered "historical."" >>> >>> I think you mean "historic," but I said nothing about >> TKW meaning something >>> was hist
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites are very powerful stones!
Perhaps I we start a new hobby. "Meteorites are said to increase awareness, particularly telepathic and psychic awareness. If you are learning a psychic power, or trying to develop one further, meteorites are particularly in-tune with this." Greg S. > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 10:13:57 -0700 > From: e...@meteoritesusa.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites are very powerful stones! > > "...Meteorites should NOT be used in elixirs at all..." > http://pagan-writing.blogspot.com/2010/07/meteorites.html > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July
In my book: Every stone is worth what I paid for it, and all my finds are priceless. I spent 5 days in WI and came up empty, but had a blast - even my feet where covered with blisters. But I marched on; I loved every minute of hunting. Greg S. > From: fuzzf...@comcast.net > To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteoritem...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:46:48 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > Greg C wrote: "When I see reports of the landowners selling the stones for > less then $10 per gram (I know of several who would not pay more the $3 per > gram!)and then see them selling it for $100/g or more, thats just too > much..." > > What a hunter or dealer pays for a meteorite in the field is irrelevant. -It > is a wholesale purchase- Don't forget the expenses incurred to be there in > the first place. Personally, I had over $3k in expenses for a single week > and didn't find a single stone. Still, I ended up paying another hunter the > going retail price for a stone without hesitation. And what about the > hunters that found stones for 'free' on the side of the road or didn't pay > anything? Should they charge less than the ones that paid landowners? See, > it really doesn't matter. It might sting a little, at the register, to think > about what the movie theatre really paid for the popcorn, coke, and > Raisinettes I was about to enjoy, but I am not going to think about it or > let it ruin my movie. Enjoy the movies, my friend! > > Best regards, > > Mike Bandli > > -- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > IMCA #5765 > --- > > -Original Message- > From: Greg Catterton [mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:05 PM > To: Mike Bandli; Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alan > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > The WI fall was a strange one. I think too many people were trying to get > rich of others. > Before anyone comes at me with the numbers of the trip, I know and I > understand, but at the same time, it can be done for much less. > > When I see reports of the landowners selling the stones for less then $10 > per gram (I know of several who would not pay more the $3 per gram!)and then > see them selling it for $100/g or more, thats just too much... > > Why do you think the 2 kg stone was hushed up so much? I have seen pics of > it, so have many others and yet nobody wants to act like it exists and > people still call a 330g stone the main mass when in reality, its far from > the main mass. > > I dont like the trend with new falls and the prices that go with them, its > taking advantage of collectors. Thats the whole reason I sold my WI material > at $60 or less when others were still getting $100 or more... and I got many > mean emails filled with profanity over putting that price public... Why? > They knew they it would hurt the value. I did not sell it for that to do > that, I did it because its not worth any more then that, and anyone who says > it is, I ask again, why? > > There is likely 10kg or more of the fall, its not rare by any means. > > Sure there is a price to pay for those that cant make it to the fall site, > but when is it too much? > > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > wrote: > >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July >> To: "Mike Bandli" >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Shawn Alan" > >> Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 2:40 PM >> "In the end, I think this is all >> being overanalyzed to death. There is no >> magic formula for determining what the price is going to >> do. Did the price >> go down on Puerto Lapice, or Villalbeto de la Peña, or >> Daule, or >> Leighlinbridge? I bet many wish they did not wait for >> prices to fall on >> those." >> >> Agreed here. There is only one certainty about the >> meteorite market - >> she is fickle mistress. ;) >> >> There some falls that will never come down in price, due to >> scarcity >> of available specimens. Cali is a good example I >> think. Whetstone >> will likely hold it's value well. >> >> Maybe a good discussion would be "ATW" - or available total >> weight. A >> fall may have a sizeable TKW, but if the majority of the >> material is >> locked away from the private market, then the price will >> reflect that. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> On 7/1/10, Mike Bandli >> wrote: >>> MikeG wrote: "The TKW is vastly different, but TKW >> should not be a fa
Re: [meteorite-list] POP Quiz today!
Shawn: Who won the pop quiz? Greg S. > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:23:56 -0700 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] POP Quiz today! > > Pop Quiz: > > Question: Who proposed the name Troilite, and who was Troilite named after? > > > The 5th person to email me off the List with the correct answers will receive > a sample size of a Tagish Lake meteorite for free. > > > The rules: > Contact me off the List, you can only submit one email. Ill name the winner > tomorrow with the answers on the List, have fun. > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stuff of Pencils Discovered on the Moon
List: I thought this pretty interesting - I guess those CC's are depositing carbon matter all over the galaxy. Greg S. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/apollo-moon-rock-graphite-100701.html Stuff of Pencils Discovered on the Moon By Charles Q. Choi SPACE.com Contributor posted: 01 July 2010 02:02 pm ET Scientists have discovered the first evidence of graphite on the moon — the same carbon-rich stuff used in pencils today — after taking a new look at a lunar rock collected by astronauts nearly 40 years ago. This graphite appears to have originated in a lunar meteorite strike around 3.8 billion years ago, researchers said. It could shed light on cosmic impacts that rocked the moon and our planet just when life was starting on Earth. Scientists found roughly 70 tiny graphite needles, which scientists called "whiskers," on a lunar rock from Mare Serenitatis, "the Sea of Serenity," brought back in 1972 by Apollo 17, the last of the manned lunar landings. They were originally looking for another mineral, phosphate-rich apatite, as part of research into water on the moon. "We came across the graphite by total accident," said researcher Andrew Steele, an astrobiologist at the Carnegie Institution of Washington in Washington, D.C. The rock in question is an "impact breccia," part of a jumble of smaller fragments that formed when the moon was struck by an asteroid or other object. The researchers suggest this graphite could have come directly from the impactor itself or formed from the condensation of carbon-rich gas released during the impact. [Greatest Moon Crashes] Although past studies of lunar rock have identified carbon-loaded minerals before, this is the first time pure-carbon minerals such as graphite was discovered. Previous studies suggested the carbon came from deposits left by solar wind. The moon graphite formed in a period scientists dub the Late Heavy Bombardment. During this time, the moon, the Earth and most of the other bodies in the inner solar system apparently underwent massive cosmic impacts. Since craters from this cataclysmic time have eroded on Earth, this graphite on the moon could shed vital clues to this mysterious era. In addition, the fact this form of carbon survived on the moon suggests the lunar surface could still possess remnants of carbon-rich organic molecules from ancient cosmic impacts — the same kind of compounds delivered to the early Earth about when life was emerging on our planet. "We believe that the carbon we detected either came from the object that made the impact basin, or it condensed from the carbon-rich gas that was released during impact," said study co-author Francis McCubbin. "The most exciting prospect from the discovery is that we now know that the moon holds a record of that period and the materials that contributed to the rise of life on Earth." Although organic molecules such as amino acids have been seen on lunar samples before, "most of these measurements were put down to contamination at the time," Steele said. "Perhaps a reappraisal of the Apollo samples would yield significant data on the organic inventory that was delivered to earth by meteorites at the time life was potentially starting on Earth," he added. The research is detailed in the July 2 edition of the journal Science. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What types of meteorites do you collect?
Mike and List: Maybe that's better: I'm not to big on Irons - only have a few and my first was an Iron. I favor Achondrites, the more exotic the better - I think it's so neat to see crystals in a meteorite. I also think meteorites without metal are really cool. The bigger the crystals - the better. I favor Mars over Lunars. I have three mars and only one lunar. It's such a fasinating hobby, Greg S. > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:24:21 -0400 > From: t...@rogers.com > To: fuj...@mac.com > CC: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; > photoph...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What types of meteorites do you collect? > > Gary, > > From your post it really should be What don't you collect. ;>) > > I guess you may not have too many martian or lunars. > > I collect similar to you except I don't go for too many irons. Just > have a couple to show people and sxplain the broad range of meteorites. > Chondrites of all shorts (especially W0 unequilibrated) and HEDs. I too > love Dho 007 > > Cheers! > > Mike Tettenborn > > > Gary Fujihara wrote: >> Greg poses a good question for the list: what types of meteorites do you >> collect the most and are most interested in, and why? >> >> Well, being far too scatterbrained to choose only one type, I have many >> interests. I love carbonaceous chondrites, and among them CM and CVs in >> particular (I love the smell of Murchison in the morning ;^) >> >> For achondrites, I collect HEDs a lot, and love brecciated cumulate eucrites >> like Dho 007. >> >> WIth respect to ordinary chondrites, I love any unequilibrated stone, and >> type 3s of any classification float my boat. >> >> Oh, and last but not least, I love big, regmaglyped complete irons of all >> kinds. There is something about a large iron meteorite that captures the >> attention and imagination of most people. >> >> gary >> >> >>> This brings up another idea for a thread: >>> >>> What class or type of meteorite to you collect the most and are most >>> interested it? >>> >>> I myself like rare ungrouped achondrites and my favorite is the Angrites. >>> >>> Greg S. >>> >> >> Gary Fujihara >> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 >> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ >> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html >> (808) 640-9161 >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July
MikeB: I agree: I think many people that wait are the long time experienced collectors, trying to get the most for their buck. I think however, there's something about having one of the most fresh (complete stones) or even a hammer from a highly publicized fall like WI. If you have the money - why not. Greg S. > From: fuzzf...@comcast.net > To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; photoph...@yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:59:48 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > Hello MikeG, > > Maybe you don't mean it, but your post implies that those that don't wait > for some kind of price drop are inexperienced, impatient, or naïve. This > couldn't be further from the truth. Many of those that purchase immediately > are just the opposite - experienced, long-time collectors. It has nothing to > do with "being the first on the block to own it." In the case of Wisconsin, > many wanted complete stones, which were few and far between. Many wanted > pre-rain material. Whatever the reason, they are all good reasons, and > everyone is happy. > > MikeG wrote: "Despite the marketing hype, there is little special about any > of them beyond the significance the buyer attaches to them." > > I won't attach any significance to them, but will state the facts: > > Whetstone Mountains - the first recovered Arizona fall in nearly 100 years. > Probably the most documented recovery in history. Very little available to > collectors. Fireball captured on video. > > Daule - the first and only Ecuadorian meteorite to ever be recovered. > Obviously an historic event for Ecuador. Beautiful shock breccia. Under one > kilo available to collectors. > > Wisconsin - the most covered fall in history. Witnessed by tens of thousands > of people. Stunning breccia. Low recovered weight and horrible search/find > ratio (much more expensive to find). The pre-rain, low-oxidized material > will always hold a premium, because the contrast of the breccia is lost with > oxidation. I believe this one will also be orbit calculated. > > For those of us who don't view things through the prisms of type or price, > all meteorite falls and recoveries are special and significant events. > > Best regards, > > Mike Bandli > > -- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > IMCA #5765 > --- > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic > Stone & Ironworks > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:26 AM > To: Shawn Alan > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > Hi Shawn and List, > > Perhaps I am off-base here, but I think we are witnessing (in part) a > dynamic of collecting meteorites. > > New collectors are steadily entering this field/hobby and those who > stay will mature and learn. Their knowledge of meteoritics, > collecting, and the market will increase with their experience. What > we saw with Ash Creek is different than what we are seeing now with > Wisconsin because the greater collector market is maturing. Perhaps > now we are in-between the influx crowds of newbies and the majority of > current collectors are becoming more savvy in their purchases. One of > the first lessons about falls that newbies learn is patience. It's > the same with most things - the first person on the block to have a > thing, pays much more for that thing. So the rest of the people sit > back and wait for the price to come down - which it usually does. > Those who wanted to be the first on the block to own Wisconsin now > have it, and now the rest of us are waiting to get a better price. > The new and inexperienced will rush out to pay top dollar for a common > chondrite because it is exciting to them, regardless of the petrologic > type or circumstances of the fall. Perhaps the "Class of Ash Creek" > has graduated and now we are seeing the benefits of patience, rational > assessment, and experience. > > Of course, this could change in a moment when the second season of > Meteorite Men starts and a new flock of eager beginners discovers > meteorites. Or when the next brilliant fireball goes viral on > YouTube. > > I still don't own a sizeable specimen of Ash Creek, Whetstone > Mountains, Daule, or Wisconsin and I won't until the right price comes > along. Those falls just don't fit into my collecting scheme - because > they are ordinary chondrites that fell under ordinary circumstances > (for the most part). Despite the marketing hype, there is little > special about any of them beyond the significance the buyer attaches > to them. Do any of the above have the makings of a truly "historical" > fall - maybe, maybe not. Are they rare types? No. I'm not trying to > downplay
Re: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July
List: I think it boils down to supply/demand. In recent years (perhaps the last 5 or so) there have been many new collectors - myself included, so the demand has increased. Then there is the supply side. Well with these recent falls, dealers and hunters have been selling the falls (Ash creek and WI) relatively soon while people were collecting - I think WI sooner than Ash Creek. It is during the time the supply is very low - and this sets the initial price. So early on, there is a lot of demand and Little supply, so the price starts at ~$100 simply because people will pay it. At this time the TKW is not know or sometimes even the classification - so people are willing to pay a lot in the beginning. Then as more is collected the supply increases a bit and the price then falls - for WI to about $70. It stabilized there for a while. What confused me about yesterday was the demand of WI was not there anymore. Perhaps this is trend like people say. Maybe at some point the interest decreases and collectors are buying others unique finds (like NWA 5400). So the price dropped sinificantly. I suspect it will increase, but not that much; I would be surprized to see it sell for over $50/grm. I think also with the increased publicity (Meteroite men, and news of falls) have made the market for "falls" increase significently. They are very collectable now; and to the newbee they are probable more attractive then perhaps a brachinite or Angrite because they may not have the knowledge of rare meteorites. So for the next fall - just wait it out, but there is a risk. This brings up another idea for a thread: What class or type of meteorite to you collect the most and are most interested it? I myself like rare ungrouped achondrites and my favorite is the Angrites. Greg S. > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 02:40:01 -0700 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Trends with WI Fall and alike for July > > Hello Listers, > > I have noticed with the Livingston WI meteorite Fall in April that the prices > were at a good high, well over $100 a gram for the first month being sold on > eBay and alike. And then a rush happened over night with a few sellers on > eBay and the meteorite market and it was mayhem. However, in the past few > weeks I have noticed prices dropping low, and I mean low. Tonight on eBay a > WI slice weighing at 3.8 sold at $78 and another slice at 9.66g sold at $285. > > With other recent falls they tend to stay high for the first year from what I > have seen with sales and research, but with the WI fall this isn't the case. > I am left to wondering why is it with this fall that it had a great led in > sales in the first month and dropped so low in less then 2 months, not to > mention the lack of WI meteorites found in the field? Is it that majority of > the WI fall meteorites are being sold at a recorded high weight, dealers > selling the big boys all at once? > > I see that this coming month that sales with historic falls will keep going > up and the exchange of rare and special meteorite falls will be revisited for > the fact of the rich history they command in the market and with collectors > alike. Also not to mention, the new NWAs that keep popping up will bring a > new twist to the collecting world. All I can say is history repeats its self > and history can out weigh anything through and through again while trends > come and go. Hold on and lets see what July brings for the hot summer month > to cool our needs for meteorites. > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Never mind My Last Post
Sorry everyone Noticed that this was already posted. Greg S. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Otherworldly? Resident suspects his rock find is from another planet
Listoids: Anyone heard of this? Greg S. http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2010/05/13/news/doc4bec031a6ab9b765018531.txt Otherworldly? Resident suspects his rock find is from another planet Published: Thursday, May 13, 2010 By LANA MINI Devan Werner is a pretty productive 14-year-old. His spare time is spent running track, building award-winning pens out of circuit boards and collecting unique rocks. Recently, the Shelby Township youth was taking advantage of the warm weather, hunting for rocks near vacant land by his home, when he stumbled upon something that didn't appear as a typical Michigan rock. "It caught my eye because it was had ripples on it, but some parts of it were smooth and I thought for sure it was a lava rock," Werner said. "But then, I wasn't so sure. So I took it home to my dad, knowing he knows a lot about things like this." As he walked home, Werner began to suspect the rock wasn't lava. "I started to wonder if it was a meteorite," he said. His father, Steven Werner, an avid researcher who has studied meteorites, began to conduct research and so far, every earthly factor has been ruled out. "The first thing we did wasn't to search for other-worldly markings," Steven Werner said. "We searched for factors to determine if it's from this planet or not." The 5-pound, charcoal-colored rock has markings that appear to show it traveled through several temperature changes and is denser than typical rocks. It's also magnetic - as are meteorites. But where did it come from? "Researchers say that they came from Mars or Jupiter. More testing needs to be done. We need to get this certified to make sure of whatever it is." Devan Werner hopes it's a meteorite. "Because I might sell it," he said. Meteorites this size sell for an average of $2,000. Devan Werner said he would use the money toward college or to launch his pen website. The Eppler Junior High School student has won several state and regional industrial technology awards for his acrylic-, wood- and circuit board-made pens. "I'm just really good at making them. I like to launch different designs, try different materials to make them ... I've already sold a few." _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Welcome Henry: I think you will find a lot of wonderful and very helpful people both on the list and within the meteorite collecting community. I have found it both rewarding and highly educational. All the best, Greg S. > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:57:55 -0700 > From: hxmend...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] New to list > > Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I > have a small yet fairly modest collection. > > I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was > and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become > friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and > informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a > great guy. > > I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of > my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire > him and his great mind as well as his take on things. > > I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From > time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask > questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! > LOL!! > > Regards to all, > > Henry Mendoza > Aurora, CO > Sent from my iPod > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Guess the WI fall type - Based on other recent falls
All: How many falls have been brecciated? Seems some of the latest falls have been. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:52:44 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Guess the WI fall type - Based on other recent falls > > Hi Listees, > > With no official word yet on the petrologic type of the new Wisconsin > meteorite, does anyone want to guess what the final type will be? > > We know it is a brecciated ordinary chondrite, but is it an L6, L5, or ...? > > Listed below are the types of the known falls since the year 2000. > The type is listed and then how many of that type have fallen. If > only the type is listed, then that type has fallen only once since > 2000. > > You will notice that there is an overwhelming majority of certain OC > types and only one iron. > > CM2 > CO3.6 > CV3 > C2-ung > EL6 > L5 : three > L5/6 > L5-6 > L6 : eight > LL5 > LL6 : five > H/L4 > H3.8 > H3-5 : two > H4 : two > H4-5 : two > H4/5 : two > H5 : twelve > H5/6 > H6 > Ureilite > Eucrite : five > Iron IIE-an > > The full chart with individual fall dates, types, and locations can be > found here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls > > Best regards and happy huntings (and collectings!), > > MikeG > > > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices
If it was a complete stone and oriented - I would never cut it; mortgage my house first. Otherwise - perhaps. Does anyone know the biggest find to date? Is this still it? Happy hunting to everyone still there. I may decide to go to WI in three or four weeks, so leave a few for me. Greg S. > From: geo...@aol.com > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:10:56 -0400 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Prices > >>>If someone thought it was so beautiful, they could have offered to buy > it and thus preserve it's beauty<< > > Not really...someone could still think it was so beautiful, but also not > afford to buy it. > GeoZay > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] green mineral in WI meteorite
Joe: I would say either a pyroxene or olivine, but it would be cool if it was something else. Greg S. > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:22:39 -0700 > From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com > To: skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; > countde...@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] green mineral in WI meteorite > > I recently had one like that - full of green crystals, Ted Bunch is doing the > classification on it. > Dont you remember the pics I posted on skyrock of the green crystals? > > Greg Catterton > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com > IMCA member 4682 > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites > > > --- On Wed, 4/28/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: > >> From: countde...@earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] green mineral in WI meteorite >> To: "Joe Kerchner" , "meteorite list" >> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:11 PM >> Probably one of the newly classified >> E2's. You know..the ones with the emeralds. :o) >> >> Seriously...congratulations. >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Joe Kerchner >>>Sent: Apr 28, 2010 9:07 PM >>>To: meteorite list >>>Subject: [meteorite-list] green mineral in WI >> meteorite >>> >>> I took off a very small little chip >> from my 332gr WI meteorite. I them examined the fresh matrix >> with a loupe and notice some sort of green mineral, it is a >> crystal of some sort, I never seen this before in a >> meteorite, it could be common, I just never seen it before. >> If I had a decent camera I would get a photo of it to show >> everyone. I cant wait to see it sliced up. I am very curious >> now, even more than before. >>> Is this common? Does anyone know what it could >> be? Has anyone else noticed this in a slice, fragment or >> broken surface? >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>>Joe Kerchner >>>http://illinoismeteorites.com >>>http://skyrockcafe.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__ >>>Visit the Archives at >>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!!
Joe: Very nice piece. Congratulations and I hope you find many more. This is so exciting. Greg S. > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:34:02 -0700 > From: skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!! > > About 20 pics are up on the SkyRock Cafe, here is a link: > > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1272342465 > > I am sorry about the photo quality, these pics do it no justice, much better > in person and even better in hand.. > > Best Wishes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > - Original Message > From: Joe Kerchner > To: meteorite list > Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 8:47:34 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!! > > The best part is that 2 of my kids were hunting with me and able to see me > act like a little kid running in circles with my arm in the air. I was > extremely excited. I really didnt think I was ever gonna end up finding a > piece. > > Best Wishes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > - Original Message > From: Joe Kerchner > To: meteorite list > Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 8:08:02 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!! > > Listees, > I found a 332 gram piece from the WI fall. Finally after 9 days in the field > persistence paid off. I will post some pics on the skyrock cafe soon. > > Best Wishes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WI News Clips DVD - Anyone?
Great idea Greg... would be a fantastic educational tool. Greg S. > From: gmh...@htn.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:05:29 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] WI News Clips DVD - Anyone? > > To all of the computer experts out there... > > Has anyone thought of putting together a DVD (or set) of all of the news > stories regarding the Wisconsin Fall? I would be interested in purchasing it > if anyone has plans to do such a project. This would be similar to what Rob > Wesel did with the "Park Forest Newsreels" DVD with nice graphics on the > cover. > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmh...@htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 26, 2010
Simply marvelous... Now who's the winner. Brix's weighs in at 205.6 grams How much did Hopper's Ash Creek weigh? Greg S. > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:46:12 -0700 > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 26, 2010 > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_26_2010.html > > > > > --- > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites
List: Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elemantary School Boy Finds Meteorite in his schoolyard!!
What a nice and uplifting story. Just goes to show that meteorites can be missed by good hunters and found later by anybody. Congratulations to the boy - a future meteorite hunter I'm sure. Thanks for sharing, Greg S. > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:06:56 -0700 > From: damoc...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Elemantary School Boy Finds Meteorite in his > schoolyard!! > > After a presentation at a elementary school located within the Livingston > strewnfield, the kids headed outside for recess. > > One boy actually found a meteorite while the TV cameras were still there. > > Watch the story here: > > > http://tinyurl.com/27urhqj > > Now THAT is cool! > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled
List: What a beauty - and a hammer too. Greg S. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/apr/21/meteorite-that-hit-northwest-georgia-unveiled/ Meteorite that hit Northwest Georgia unveiled By: Andy Johns CARTERSVILLE, Ga. -- A meteorite older than Earth itself, traveling millions of miles through space before blowing through an attic in Northwest Georgia, was unveiled Tuesday morning at the Tellus Science Museum. "It's sort of interesting to ponder the journey this meteorite might have had," said museum curator Julian Gray. Experts estimate the half-pound, peach-sized space rock was traveling between 50,000 and 70,000 mph when it entered the atmosphere on March 1, 2009. They estimate it was still moving at 200 to 300 miles per hour when it punctured a roof, bounced off of a joist, punched through a drywall ceiling and landed in a bedroom in a Cartersville home around 11 p.m. that night. "I would suggest we all look at the fine print in our (insurance) policy," joked Jose Santamaria, executive director for the museum. Held in a special airtight case, the meteorite will go on display at the museum Thursday. Staff photo by Andy Johns This meteorite crashed through the roof of a Cartersville home in March 2009 and will be on display at the Tellus Science Museum. Officials at the museum said testing on the rock place its age at about 4.6 billion years old. Scientists generally estimate that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. No one was home when the space rock fell from the sky, but a neighbor reported hearing a sonic boom. The homeowner, who brought the rock to Tellus in August, wishes to remain anonymous and museum officials declined to discuss the location of the find. Mr. Gray said the meteorite's discoverer was not sure exactly what the rock was. "The first thought was that kids were throwing rocks through the window," he said. After noticing the hole in the roof, the homeowner thought the rock might be from a quarry blast. Once the find was brought to the museum, it didn't take the staff long to determine its cosmic origins. "I think I identified it before I touched it," said Dave Gheesling, a founding member of the Georgia Meteorite Association. METEORITE AT A GLANCE * Weight: 294 grams, or about half a pound * Age: 4.567 billion years old * Speed at impact: 200 to 300 mph * Speed at entering atmosphere: 50,000 to 70,000 mph * Type: Ordinary chondrite * Contents: Iron, nickel, other elements Source: Tellus Science Museum Residents, especially around areas like Cartersville, where mining blasts are common, bring Mr. Gheesling more than 1,000 "meteorwrongs" every year. The stones are usually river rocks, iron ore or metal slag mistaken to be from outer space. The Cartersville rock, thought to have originated in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, is the 25th meteorite found in Georgia. Mr. Gheesling said the rock is a little larger than most of the meteorites he's seen, but documented specimens range from 60 tons to the size of an English pea. The Cartersville meteorite probably lost a good bit of its mass as it burned through Earth's atmosphere and other fragments may have splintered off during decent, Mr. Gheesling added. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin
I'm confused, this actually could be important information leading to the size and shape of the strewn field. Also, "just West" is vague, so we do not know exactly were it was found. This is and odd quote, "Magnets stuck to the rock easily— the first time Dutch has seen that in 33 years on the job" he has not seen magnets stick to a rock. Anyway if the strewn field is this large, the potential for many more finds is possible. Greg S. > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 03:42:54 -0700 > From: drtan...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] nut bag reporting award Wisconsin > > Dear List, > Lunacy is out running wild in them papers! > http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100421/GPG0101/4210668/1207/GPG01 > > Check out the claims! Lulz, Dirk...Tokyo > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Georgia Fall found from 1MAR2009-Hammer
Ok - I stand corrected. Thanks, Greg S. > From: s...@bellsouth.net > To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteoritem...@gmail.com; drtan...@yahoo.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Georgia Fall found from 1MAR2009-Hammer > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:56:22 -0400 > > No - this is not the fall that was related to the arrests in Georgia. This > fall was in Cartersville. > > - Original Message - > From: "Greg Stanley" > To: "mike" ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Georgia Fall found from 1MAR2009-Hammer > > > > _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Georgia Fall found from 1MAR2009-Hammer
List: This is the one where two of our list members got arrested for trespassing, is that correct? I'm just assuming it's from that fall. Although, how could you know for sure? It's really neat if it is from that fall. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:25:49 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: drtan...@yahoo.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Georgia Fall found from 1MAR2009-Hammer > > Hi Dirk and List, > > Thanks for the update on this fall. My memory is lacking, so I don't > recall the fireball event associated with this fall/find. > > Two questions : > > 1) is this new meteorite a fall or a find? > > 2) what is the classification and official name? (assuming this in > the works or already done) > > Best regards and happy huntings to the Wisconsin met hunters! > > MikeG > > PS - you Wisconsin folks get busy, because the rains are coming! > > > On 4/20/10, drtanuki wrote: >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/04/georgia-meteorite-1mar2009-fall-found.html >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 10, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL!
I'll take a puppy... ha...ha > From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:23:34 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE > APRIL 10, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL! > >>Have Hopper and Brix met each other. > > Excellent idea! Hopper is a female, Brix a male... > > and the first puppy will be named Harvey! > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg > Stanley > Gesendet: Montag, 19. April 2010 22:46 > An: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE > APRIL 10, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL! > > > Have Hopper and Brix met each other. This way you guys can just sit back an > relax (perhaps drink a few) and let the dogs bring the meteorites back to > you... > > Congratulations Sonny! > > Greg S. > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Farmer finds yet another meteorite from the fireball of April 14, 2010. 20 grams.
Congratulations Michael... this is turning out to be quite a fall... now find the main mass somebody. Best of luck to everyone. Greg S. > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:45:59 -0700 > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Farmer finds yet another meteorite from the > fireball of April 14, 2010. 20 grams. > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Farmer_Meteorite_Hunter.html > > > > --- > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 10, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL!
Have Hopper and Brix met each other. This way you guys can just sit back an relax (perhaps drink a few) and let the dogs bring the meteorites back to you... Congratulations Sonny! Greg S. > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:13:06 -0700 > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE APRIL > 10, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL! > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/brix.html > > > > --- > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] UW has meteorite fragment
Maybe he meant a fresh "fall" Greg S. > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:44:24 -0700 > From: damoc...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] UW has meteorite fragment > > I think that is a mis-quote. If you look at the university's museum website > it says they have a number of meteorites on display. > > http://www.geology.wisc.edu/~museum/exhibits.html > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] UW has meteorite fragment
I wonder how many more will be found? Very cool. Good luck to everyone out there, and be safe. Greg S. http://www.wrn.com/2010/04/uw-has-meteorite-fragment/ UW has meteorite fragment by WRN Contributor on April 16, 2010 It was more than just a meteor in the sky Wednesday night. That today from Professor John Valley of the University of Wisconsin-Madison Geoscience Department, who confirms meteorites have been found. “Samples have been located in southwestern Wisconsin,” says Valley. “We’ve been studying a sample that was brought in by a landowner west of Madison.” What does it look like? “The piece we have is very small, about the size of a peanut,” Valley says. “It is on the outside a dull black, matte black finish, which is the fusion crust from when it became very hot falling through the atmosphere.” On the inside are snow white crystals about the size of a pea, in a matrix that is gray. Valley hopes anyone who finds a piece will turn it over to the Geoscience Department. Valley has been with the UW for 28 years and has never seen a real meteorite until now. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs & Known Meteor Showers
List: Has a meteorite "fall" ever been attributed to a comet? If so, do they know which one? I remember reading that Tagish Lake may be. Greg S. > From: geo...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:44:27 -0400 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs & Known Meteor Showers > >>>Of course they're not related, as the fireballs are from the asteroid > belt > and the meteor showers are from the tails of comets.<< > > Fireballs are produced by both asteroids and comets. So far meteor showers > are related to comets. > GeoZay > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
I would think this would fall under the "Act of God" ruling. I'm not sure about Australian law, but in the US an "Act of God" is used for damage caused by hail damage or lightning and such. So I would think you could not sue the government since it is an "act of God." Greg S. > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:15:13 -0700 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not > meteorite' > > Hello Listers, > > I have a question about Alex's run in with being hit on the head by a rock > that might have been a meteorite or not a meteorite. In any case, lets say > this "meteorite" was bigger and hit him and caused some harm. And lets say > Alex is from Australia , which from what I have read sounds like that is the > case. Now from my understanding all meteorites are the property of the > country, Australia . So in a since Australia is responsible for damages, > harm, psychological and/or the well being of the citizens of Australia as a > result from a meteorite fall. Now couldn't people sue if their town was hit > by a meteorite because lets say if they had happen to be in that spot where > it hit, they could have been murdered from the meteorite? Or lets say it did > hit someone, then couldn't they hire a Johnnie Cochran lawyer and sue the day > lights out of the state in Australia? > > Shawn Alan > eBayShop > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 > > > > [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite' > Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de > Wed Apr 14 12:47:57 EDT 2010 > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Time to revisit Lorton? > Next message: [meteorite-list] meteorite from the sea > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > Dear Alex, > > I presume that you're from Western Australia, because you chose this thread > to report your strange accident? > > The description of the stone sounds, as it is most probably no meteorite, > but who knows? > > But if it is one, then be well aware - I know that it is difficult to > understand - that in the millisecond the stone struck your head, it suddenly > and instantaneously turned into a national natural or even cultural heritage > of Australia. > (yes, we know that a "heritage" is something old and traditional, but > understand, that with such cosmic and astronomical things, the relativity of > space and time comes into play). > > It might be painful to you, similar to the pain you felt, when the object > hit you - but under no circumstances you are allowed to keep the stone, > but you have the privilege to deliver it completely to the authorities, as > it is property of the Western Australia Government, which rules also over > the inner solar system. > > It may seem to you somewhat unjust and we know the Statute of Westminster > and the Astralia Act, but here and there some isolated backslides into > totalitarianism had obviously happened in your country. > > Now be pride to be allowed to deliver the object in person either > to Mr. Ralph Martin from the observatory of Perth > Ralph.Martin at dec.wa.gov.au > > or to Mr. Alex Bevan at the Museum in Perth > bevana at museum.wa.gov.au > > The latter will be able to explain you better than anybody else in your > country, why this stone does not belong to you and why it is called a > heritage, because he is said to be a famous meteorite philosopher. > > It is your duty as a patriot to bear the expenses of the delivery and to > spend your time for handing over the object. > > In one point I can calm you: > You can leave your head on. > It hadn't became a cultural heritage and is not property of the WA > government, neither the blain, because both items are reckoned to be so > called "impact materials" and are not yet covered by legislation. > > To be sure that you can keep your head also in future, I recommend to let > the incident being attested by a lawyer - for the case that Bevan and > colleagues once will suggest to expand the meteorite laws also on impact > materials. > > Best! > Martin > > > > Von: alex rynkiewicz [mailto:acesand at live.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. April 2010 16:42 > An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not > meteorite' > > dear meteorite hunters. iwork as a prison guard and on 9july09 940pm i was > hit in the head by a bean sized and shaped stone, it is golden in color with > small clear stones and has 2 dark stains bb sized, one on each side. it > looks like staining (graphite) like under a fusion crust that has blown off. > it has a carbide feel to the touch. need help in identifing it. any help is > appreciated. ale
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection
If I could not work that deal out, then I would buy Sonny's CM1. Greg S. > From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com > To: e...@meteoritesusa.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:20:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection > > > List: > > I think I would get a nice sized piece of each of the Mars type specimens: SNC > A Shergottite, Nakhlite, and a Chassignite. If I had some money left over, > perhaps a Kakangari-type and the type specimen for CI - Ivuna. I tell you > this: a million would go quick. > > Greg S. > > >> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:12:47 -0700 >> From: e...@meteoritesusa.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection >> >> Hi listees and meteorite addicts, >> >> A $1 Million Dollar challenge. >> >> Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an "extra" $1 Million to >> spend on your meteorite collection. >> >> What do you buy? >> >> Have fun... >> >> Regards, >> Eric Wichman >> Meteorites USA >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection
List: I think I would get a nice sized piece of each of the Mars type specimens: SNC A Shergottite, Nakhlite, and a Chassignite. If I had some money left over, perhaps a Kakangari-type and the type specimen for CI - Ivuna. I tell you this: a million would go quick. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:12:47 -0700 > From: e...@meteoritesusa.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] $1 Million "Dream" Meteorite Collection > > Hi listees and meteorite addicts, > > A $1 Million Dollar challenge. > > Scenario: You're a wealthy collector and have an "extra" $1 Million to > spend on your meteorite collection. > > What do you buy? > > Have fun... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
Yes - and we could make very large impenetrable meteor "Nets," to catch the meteors before they touch the ground. Greg S. > From: meteorh...@aol.com > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:38:59 -0400 > To: veom...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not > meteorite' > > In a message dated 4/13/2010 4:29:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > veom...@gmail.com writes: > "Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of > The State." > > So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before > it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a > cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not > become a meteorite? > > - YvW > *** > > Veomega, > > As I understand, the St. Louis meteorite hit a car and stayed in it while > it was being driven down a city street. On an aside, I don't think the > City of St. Louis asserted any claim that it was their property. > > Steve Arnold > of Meteorite Men > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New American "Lunar" on ebay
Adam: Sounds like he could be a con artist. I will refuse any shipments if anyone tells me they will send anything to me. What a mess. Greg S. > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:43:21 -0700 > From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New American "Lunar" on ebay > > Wow, I better break out the checkbook. It sounds like this guy knows what he > is talking about. It is like all of the other strange multimillion dollar > offerings on eBay lately. I noticed that none of these fake stones look like > Dimmitt or any other ordinary chondrite, only high-priced pieces. > > Just like I suspected, the guy who I returned the 4 million pairing to > Sonny's stone is not pleased with me. He still holds onto the hope that it is > exactly like the one on TV and claims it even smells the same even though he > has never smelt Sonny's stone. He claims I kept a piece for myself since the > weight is different after I returned it and he will be watching my auctions > to make sure I don't sell any of it. I think the tar ball may have dried out > a little during transit. It would not surprise me at all to see it on eBay. > > My advice is stay away from these people and do not encourage them. They > having been coming out of the woodwork like mad lately. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message > From: Richard Kowalski > To: meteorite list > Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:19:37 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] New American "Lunar" on ebay > > Supposedly paired with NWA 5000, and only with an opening bid of $63, > from a seller with no feedback. > > http://tinyurl.com/y78u2cr > > By the looks of the additional material in the background of the photo, this > is but the first slice to be offered. > > Ugh > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New American "Lunar" on ebay
This sounds real positive, enough for me to put down $63,000. "If confirmed through on-going analysis & classification, this will be a tremendous, historic and unprecedented recovery!" Unbelievable... Greg S. > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:19:37 -0700 > From: damoc...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] New American "Lunar" on ebay > > Supposedly paired with NWA 5000, and only with an opening bid of $63, > from a seller with no feedback. > > http://tinyurl.com/y78u2cr > > By the looks of the additional material in the background of the photo, this > is but the first slice to be offered. > > Ugh > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congratulations Steve and Geoff - Looks like I need to get the Science Channel
List: They're Back! Congratulations to Steve and Geoff for all their hard work. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/04/08/science-channels-2010-11-upfront-slate-stirs-audiences-imaginations/47750 Returning to the network is celebrated author and theoretical physicist Dr. Michio Kaku in an all-new season of SCI FI SCIENCE: PHYSICS OF THE IMPOSSIBLE. The METEORITE MEN, Steven Arnold and Geoff Notkin, return for a new season of searching for invaluable records of the universe, and it’s all about rockets and backyard innovation in Science Channel’s coverage of the annual L.D.R.S. competition. METEORITE MEN This thrilling series brings viewers closer to space than ever before. Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold share a passion for adventure, traveling to wild places, and hunting for extraterrestrial visitors from outer space that have found a way to Earth. With three 4WD trucks, ATVs, state-of-the-art metal detectors and an array of other hunting gadgets, the Meteorite Men cover hundreds of acres of ground. No area goes uncharted as they search in plowed fields, dense forests, rolling hillsides, abandoned farms, and unmarked dirt roads in the hunt for valuable and mysterious rocks from space. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroid 2010 GA6 To Buzz Earth Today
I'm sure some are aware of this. Greg S. http://www.myfoxillinois.com/dpps/news/dpgoh-asteroid-2010-ga6-to-buzz-earth-today-fc-20100408_6968885 Asteroid 2010 GA6 To Buzz Earth Today Updated: Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 11:07 AM EDT Published : Thursday, 08 Apr 2010, 11:05 AM EDT (CANVAS STAFF REPORTS) - It's a bird, it's a plane, it's an asteroid. Something out of this world is set to happen on Thursday at 7:06 p.m. ET – so get your telescopes ready. According to NASA.com , asteroid 2010 GA6 will be flying close by the earth within the orbit of the moon today. But the small space rock that is 71 ft. wide poses no risk to the planet since it will be a safe 223,000 miles from Earth – or nine-tenths of the distance between the Earth and the moon. "Fly bys of near-Earth objects within the moon's orbit occur every few weeks," Don Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Office in Pasadena, Ca., said in a statement. According to Space.com , the latest asteroid was picked up by NASA's new space telescope, the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) that has been in use since December. Dozens of previously unknown asteroids are being found every day with WISE and most of them are small and harmless, but that could all change very quickly. And asteroid 2010 GA6 was not the first potentially hazardous object astronomers, with the Catalina Sky Survey in Tucson, Az., have detected this year. In January a smaller space rock, asteroid 2010 AL30, zipped by within 80,000 miles of the Earth and others have swung by at safer distances greater than several hundred thousand miles. "NASA is aware of this issue and is trying to find as many of these as they can," a planetarium astronomer at the Houston Museum of Natural Science, James Wooten, told KHOU.com . "They hope to find them with enough advance notice." The one that will float by on Thursday is about the length of two school buses end-to-end, and if one like it was to come dangerously close to Earth, Wooten said "you could perhaps launch something to it that will push it a little bit and change its orbit so it misses Earth." _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Coroner's report: man killed by meteorite had marijuana in his system
http://www.drugwarrant.com/2010/04/coroners-report-man-killed-by-meteorite-had-marijuana-in-his-system/comment-page-1/ Coroner's report: man killed by meteorite had marijuana in his system Article in The Daily Tontería: San Hoyo, California: A coroner’s report released yesterday by police confirmed the presence of marijuana compounds in the system of Jonah Ellis, a 23-year-old man who was killed last Thursday just outside the town limits when struck by a meteorite. Police Chief Dirk Jackson refused to speculate whether this news would have an impact on the upcoming referendum on the legalization of marijuana in California this November, but noted that, “In the 10 years I’ve been in San Hoyo, 100% of meteorite fatalities have been marijuana-related, demonstrating a clear link. It’s certainly got to make you think.” Calvina Califano, spokesperson for Citizens Resisting Against Pot, had harsher words to say about the referendum. “If legalization passes,” she said, “you can absolutely count on an increase in meteorite strikes. And we won’t be as lucky the next time. People will be smoking pot outside day-care centers, and when that meteorite strikes, the collateral damage will be measured in mothers sifting through the rubble for the mangled corpses of their infant children. Marijuana: harmless? Let those legalizers tell that to the grieving mothers.” A representative of the Coalition to Legalize and Regulate Marijuana in California claimed that the meteorite strike was unrelated to marijuana use, but was unable to precisely explain why Jonah Ellis was hit. Scientists note that meteorites are formed from the debris of asteroids, and that there are literally millions upon millions of asteroids. If marijuana is legalized, it could take many years to exhaust the supply, and some say the damage to society could be permanent. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Smithsonian discusses the rare, recent Lorton Meteorite
Lorton at the Smithsonian? Greg S. http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/042010/04022010/536642 Smithsonian discusses the rare, recent Lorton Meteorite Date published: 4/2/2010 ON Jan. 18, 2010, a very rare astronomical event occurred in our area as a meteorite crashed through the roof of a medical office building on Richmond Highway in Lorton. This meteorite, before it ended its journey in Northern Virginia after traversing outer space for billions of years, was seen streaking across the sky by people along the eastern seaboard as they made their way home from work that evening. The meteorite, which eventually landed in an examining room at 5:45 p.m. when the medical building was still occupied, was about the size of a fist and weighed about two-thirds of a pound. It was a stone chondrite, the most common type of meteorite, and had a black fusion crust on the outside from heating as it entered Earth's atmosphere. But, contrary to popular thought, a meteorite is not hot or on fire when it finally reaches Earth's surface. The meteorite is estimated to have been traveling at more than 200 mph when it crashed through the roof of the building. According to the Smithsonian Institution, it was the first known meteorite fall in Virginia since 1924, and the fourth known fall recorded in the state overall. The Lorton Meteorite, as it has become known, was sent to the Smithsonian for identification with the intent to donate. However, there is a pending legal issue between the medical building landlords and the doctors who rent the building space regarding ownership of the meteorite. A market exists for meteorites, especially ones like the Lorton Meteorite that are seen by many people as they fall to Earth. Meteorite hunters examined the area near the medical building in Lorton days after the fall in hopes they would find more pieces of this meteorite. If more pieces of this meteorite are found, a big payday could occur for the lucky meteorite hunters. For now, the Lorton Meteorite remains at the Smithsonian, with the intent to put it on public display once the legal issues are resolved. If you think you've found a meteorite, there are some tests you can conduct on the object, according to the Smithsonian's Mineral Sciences Division. Meteorites usually have a black fusion crust and a smooth surface from atmospheric heating. They do not look like local rocks and usually are without holes or pits. They are heavy, solid objects that will attract a magnet. Even if your object passes these tests, it does not mean you've found a meteorite. The Smithsonian in Washington will test samples to determine whether the object is an actual meteorite. What you hold in your hand could be a rock from outer space! _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Eureka - we've found it!
Eureka! Greg S. http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/donegalnews/Eureka--we39ve-found-it.6195465.jp Eureka - we've found it! Published Date: 01 April 2010 By Staff reporter by Sue Doherty They say hill-walking is a rewarding experience. Well, for three members of the Bluestack Ramblers, that could prove to be a massiive understatement. Bernard McGlinchey, Anne Leonard and Maureen Cannon were out hiking last Saturday when keen-eyed ADVERTISEMENT Anne noticed a rock that looked strangely out of place in the woods. The same thought occurred to all three at once: “Had they stumbled on the meteor that streaked through the skies over south Donegal on Febuary 3?” More than 1,000 reported seeing the fireball, which was said to be brighter than the moon, as it travelled in a southerly direction from the Bluestacks across Donegal Town and beyond. The trio took some pictures and removed the rock to a safe location. “We e-mailed the pictures to Daniel Less at Meteorolgy Ireland,” Bernard explained. “Although he obviously couldn’t make a definite confirmation just by looking at the pictures, he says there’s a very good chance this is, in fact, a stony iron or iron meteorite. “The plan now is for us to travel down to Athlone this week with the rock, meteorite, or whatever it is, so that a full analysis can be carried out.” Maureen added: “We’re trying not to get too excited about the whole thing until we know one way or another. We’re not saying exactly where we found the rock, either, because we wouldn’t like to spark off a run of people looking for meteorites there.” If the object turns out to be a genuine meteorite, it could prove to be of considerable worth - whether cultural, scientific or financial. So, if you see Bernard, Anne or Maureen walking around singing Catch a Falling Star and Put It in Your Pocket, Save It For a Rainy Day next week, you’ll know exactly why! _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Eucrite? - Eastern Slovakia
The fusion crust does look like that of an Eucrite. Exhibits the typical high gloss and more of a melted texture due to the high CA content in Eucrites. Very nice. Greg S. > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:40:33 -0700 > From: drtan...@yahoo.com > To: e...@meteoritesusa.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Eucrite? - Eastern Slovakia > > No Eric, > You claim to offer meteorite ID and a news service for meteorite USA. This > requires book and practical experience. No personal attack intended. Lack of > basic study is not an excuse. Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Eucrite? - Eastern Slovakia >> To: "drtanuki" >> Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 5:32 AM >> Excuse me? Am I taking this right? >> Are you implying something here Dirk!? >> >> "...Anyone with experience as you claim should have noticed >> the fusion crust;..." >> >> I certainly hope you aren't implying anything negative! >> >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> On 3/31/2010 1:28 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>> Eric, Another surprising point; DID you happen >> to take a look at the fusion crust??? Anyone with >> experience as you claim should have noticed the fusion >> crust; is this what would be expected from a a >> Eucrite? Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
When I was in West, TX a woman told me that someone had painted some rocks black and placed them on her lawn; I never got to see them as I had met her on the road when was I was returning to my car. I had to leave and she had to go to town. I really wanted to see them. Practical Jokes... aren't they just so fun to do when you're a kid. Greg S. > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:07:51 -0400 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not > > Adam, > What kind of Tar is it?? Too funny. > http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19930815&id=J-8RIBAJ&sjid=H-sDIBAJ&pg=4008,4347655 > > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > Adam Hupe wrote: >> Dear List, >> >> The "four million dollar meteorite" showed up that I mentioned yesterday. >> The sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these >> are real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is >> exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he >> did his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a >> professional must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a >> coffee can and smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could >> detect the unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites >> give off. I believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is >> smelling or he has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). >> Either way, this is another heartbreak in the making. >> >> Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news >> that he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his >> granddaughter's medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. >> >> Here are some images for those who may be interested: >> >> >> Link one: >> http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg >> >> Link two: >> http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg >> Best Regards, >> >> Adam >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not
Adam/List: I have found stuff like this - looks like melted tar that has hardened to appear like glass; sometimes they have clasts inside. It is weird stuff. Are the white crystals quartz? Yea -just send it back and tell him to go to a local University and get a second opinion. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:40:16 -0700 > From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] The Latest Nevada Find, Not > > Dear List, > > The "four million dollar meteorite" showed up that I mentioned yesterday. The > sad thing is that these people actually convince themselves that these are > real meteorites and that they are worth millions. This guy thinks his is > exactly like Sonny's find that he saw on TV, only bigger. He says that he did > his research, went to the neighborhood and found it, figuring a professional > must have missed it. He wrote to me that he sealed it in a coffee can and > smelled it a couple of days later. He stated that he could detect the > unmistakable smell of Murchinson that only carbon type meteorites give off. I > believe this object is made out of tar and that is what he is smelling or he > has been sniffing the sauce (drinking too much alcohol). Either way, this is > another heartbreak in the making. > > Now, I have the unpleasant task of returning it to him with the bad news that > he is not the latest millionaire and that the funds for his granddaughter's > medical bills will have to come from somewhere else.. > > Here are some images for those who may be interested: > > > Link one: > http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-a.jpg > > Link two: > http://themeteoritesite.com/NevadaMeteorite-b.jpg > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UK on Quest
Hi Geoff: I enjoyed the episode last night very much. Beautiful find by Steve, but you did find the first one. I had a thought at the end - I think a great episode would be "what happens to a 'type' specimen after arriving at a University to be classified." You could have a variety of samples and show how they are cut and prepared and then how the thin sections are made. Then how are they probed and then explain the different classifications. You could include a lot of information and make it not too technical; and of course, what make some meteorites more valuable. I have gotten meteorites classified and it would be really neat to see the entire process. I hope you get a second season. Keep at it... and one day you'll find one on that Mesa. Greg S. > From: geok...@notkin.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:40:59 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UK > on Quest > > Dear Listees: > > Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch "Meteorite > Men," but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that > there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully > dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty > minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in > Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. > > "Meteorite Men" is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the > UK, so hopefully some of my friends from "back home" will get a chance > to catch it. > > Listings: > > http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings > > > Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from > vacation!) > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
She can walk like a 50 yr old - man... I'm 50... WOW! Greg S. > From: cyna...@charter.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:26:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:36:37 -0700, you wrote: >> >>Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. > > Dude! She's 86 years old! > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites
Looks like lots of fun and a great time for the kids. Greg S. http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/2010/03/30/falling-stars-neaf-and-meteorites.aspx Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites Posted 03-30-2010 by Mike Reynolds In 2009, Contributing Editor Mike Reynolds conducted a series of “family meteorite workshops” at Florida State College in Jacksonville, Florida. He will present several more at the North East Astronomy Forum in April. Mike Reynolds photo On April 17 and 18, the North East Astronomy Forum (NEAF) will take place at Rockland College in Suffern, New York. This year, Astronomy magazine will be sponsoring the meeting. This mecca of astronomy goodies — from companies who show everything from eyepieces to telescopes of every type — is one of the year’s best-attended shows. The Rockland Astronomy Club (RAC) hosts NEAF and is led by my good friend Alan Traino, who puts his all into NEAF, as does the entire RAC team. I remember my first NEAF. I thought I had died and gone to astronomical heaven. I had never seen so many astronomical companies in one room, albeit a college gymnasium. And in addition to all of the companies and their wares, NEAF offers talks and presentations for attendees as well as activities for kids and their families. This year Alan has asked me to set up a booth that will have a number of meteorite-related activities for kids attending NEAF. This is a large bill to fill, but I’ll do my best. First I will have a large exhibit of meteorites, tektites, and impactites. Nothing beats learning about meteorites like seeing them firsthand. This display will also include a number of meteorite items, from skillfully crafted knives to meteorites depicted on stamps and coins. I also will feature demonstrations and activities. Some of what I have planned for attendees includes: Demonstrations: * Comet-making — from dry ice, water, carbon, ammonium hydroxide, silicates, organics; always a fun activity to see and clearly demonstrates the simple makeup of a comet. * Cosmic Killer! — determining if someone could be killed by a meteorite strike (a new activity I just developed for a science supply company). * Iron meteorite etching — to show the Widmanstätten pattern in nickel-iron crystalline structures. * Nickel testing — confirming nickel in meteorites (first question: How do we know if it is a meteorite or a “meteor-wrong”?). Ongoing Activities: * Classification of meteorites — Irons, Stones, and Stony-Irons, with identifications; I’ll also have a brochure available. * Optical and hand-held digital microscopes for viewing meteorite surfaces and interiors on a computer monitor. * Magnetic meteorites — a demonstration of magnetic properties. * Meteoritic splash — creating craters and rays in large tray of fine builder’s sand; the top layer will show impact rays. * “Meteor-wrongs” — how to identify many of the average so-called meteor-wrongs like loadstone, granite, etc. * Meteorite podcast — my Falling Stars talk. * Searching for meteorites — kids that attend will use an ubermagnet and search a large tray of fine builder’s sand for “buried” meteorites. * Thin-section meteorite slides — using projection microscopes, kids will have the opportunity to see “through” a meteorite. As you might have guessed, these activities and demonstrations are really for anyone and everyone. If you want to learn more about meteorites and in a hands-on way, this will be your golden opportunity. Alan also asked that I set up a booth offering meteorites for sale. Most of what I will bring will be inexpensive meteorites for those who want a “piece of the rock” at a reasonable price. There will also be some spectacular meteorites available, from museum-quality large meteorite slabs to lunar meteorites. I have been working with one of my college students — an art major — to create some unusual and stunning meteorite jewelry. I will also do a book signing for my introductory meteoritics book entitled Falling Stars. NEAF is always a fun event, and with the emphasis this year on kids, outreach, and astronomy, I hope attendees take home with them our enthusiasm. Next month we’ll explore more meteorite topics, and I’ll have a report from NEAF. Do you have a meteorite question? Collecting tales? Successful meteorite hunts? A favorite meteorite or book? A must-see meteorite exhibit? Please email me at mreyno...@fscj.edu. I will explore your meteorite questions and more each month! Keep looking up! Dr. Mike Reynolds Previous "Falling Stars" blogs: * A preview of the 2010 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, January 22, 2010 * About the spectacular stony-iron meteorite Imilac, December 29, 2009 * Learn more about the meteorite Northwest Africa 869, December 4, 2009 _
[meteorite-list] What was that loud boom in SE Portland?
Anyone heard anything on this... could it be...? Greg S. http://www.kgw.com/home/What-was-that-loud-boom-in-SE-Portland-89391477.html PORTLAND – A loud mystery boom baffled many people in Portland Sunday and authorities were still trying to figure out what it was on Monday. There were numerous reports of a loud explosion at 8:05 p.m. Most of the reports were clustered in Southeast Portland. (See map above showing locations of reports.) Twitter and Facebook users also buzzed about it. Share comments: Describe what you heard and when But no one seemed to know exactly what it was – not even police, natural gas officials or the military. The boom was so powerful it even set off car alarms near the Sellwood Bridge. More: Listen to 9-1-1 calls about big boom KGW even asked experts at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry if it could have been a meteorite – but they said they don’t believe so. As for a possible weather event – KGW Meteorologist Rod Hill said there were no indications that lightening strikes could have hit at that time. So for now, it all remains a mystery. But police said they would continue to investigate. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amount of NWA Finds by Year - The Trend
Hello List: I have heard that the number of NWA finds is decreasing. I was wondering, does anyone have any plots showing this, or documentation? Perhaps some plots of the number of finds by year? I guess I could look at the Bulletin and check, but that would take a lot of time and wanted to check the list first. Thanks Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Yes - I did Greg S. > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:34:12 -0700 > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, > 2010 > > Did others get a web site where the photo link > Was broken? > Michael > > > On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > wrote: > >> http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html >> >> >> --- >> >> >> www.rocksfromspace.org >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unclass NWA - Weight 51 grams
Hi List: I bought this meteorite recently, and it seems different than other chondrites I have seen. It is loaded with free metal and seems a bit heavier than other chondrites I have. The exterior almost look like an Iron. It has been polished and in the matrix there are very small (well preserved) chondrules. In some areas there is this bright purplish brown color - very similar to a brecciated Lodranite. Take a look at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9106...@n04/ I welcome any thoughts and opinions. Thanks, Greg S. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater
List: All I can say is ... "WOW!" he says "I will say I am an ametuer and do not claim to know of these things" and he get 35 bids Man... I have to start selling on ebay. Greg S. > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:31:33 -0700 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater > > Hello Listers, > > I had contacted the ebayer and asked. > > Dear flying---monkey, > > Hi you had said a college had contacted you, did they contact you from seeing > the meteorite on eBay or through emails that you had sent out to them? Also, > which colleges did you send out samples to and have they gotten back to about > if the rock you have is a meteorite or a meteorite wrong? > > And the eBayer replied... > > Dear photophlow, > > All I can tell you is I'm processing. > > > - flying---monkey > > > Processing? Does anyone know that processing means? One its a meteorite and > hes not that great with emailing and 6 months we will see this on Meteorite > Men II, or two, its a meteorite wrong and hes still not good with emails. At > any rate I would to see how high this bid goes. > > Shawn Alan > > [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater > Murray Paulson murray.paulson at gmail.com > Thu Mar 25 14:54:01 EDT 2010 > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater > Next message: [meteorite-list] AD eBay Meteorites Ending Soon > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > Hi: > > Did any of you notice that the crater looks kind of fresh, but the > "meteorite" looks far from fresh, more likely hundreds of years old? > This one smells! P.T. Barnum said something about the likes of the > bidders! > > Murray Paulson > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum > wrote: > >> Possibilities, but probably not. The crater looks like what's left after a > >> tree falls over and is removed. This find (or not) is courtesy of the > >> Meteorite Men. Whaddya think?: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Meteorite-Rare-Find_W0QQitemZ180483766353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a05abb851 > >> > >> > >> What are the chances of finding a rock in Newfoundland that looks just like > >> a Newfoundland dog? I also liked the Vincent rock: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-UNIQUE-ROCK-FORMATIONS-NFLD-DOG-SKULL-METEORITE_W0QQitemZ270551650886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item3efe229246 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil Whitmer > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite and crater > Next message: [meteorite-list] AD eBay Meteorites Ending Soon > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now you can be a Meteorite Man! (courtesy of eBay!)
Mike and List: That's so funny. Everyone is jumping on the band wagon to make a little cash. It doesn't bother me a bit, because if you want to get into any venture or start a new hobby, you should do research on it first so you don't get taken advantage of. I just wonder if this person has ever hunted a meteorite before? Perhaps he has, but marketing and sales may be his true hobby. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:59:00 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Now you can be a Meteorite Man! (courtesy of eBay!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120547711841 > > Falling Stars is not a bad book, but it's not exactly an up to date > guide to hunting meteorites. The dealer listings and market quotes > are outdated. And it's not exactly a book full of strewnfield maps as > the seller implies. If I wanted to pick one book to offer as part of > a meteorite hunting package, this book wouldn't be it. > > I should go on Amazon, buy up several copies of the cheapest used > meteorite book I can find (probably Falling Stars), stick a $2 magnet > with it, and top it off with a walking stick - I wouldn't be surprised > if the seller moves several of these kits. > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Treasure Hunter Code of Ethics
Mike: If people do not see dollar signs, than they simply will not watch it. Look at "Antiques Roadshow," do you think it would be popular with the values of the items never revealed? No way. I think "Meteorite Men" is great; I just love it when people I've know for years come to me and tell me about the show... and after a while I'm showing off some of my specimens to them. As to the scammers, they will always be there and that is why meteorite enthusiasts (like us on this list) need to educate the public as best we can. We surely had scammers before now. As to the ethics of hunting... I'm surprised it has to be brought up and unfortunate too; I've collected fossils and minerals since the '70s and now meteorites since well... 1997 was actually the first time I looked form meteorites, and found my first in 2006. So the standard "treat everyone with respect, and leave all property as you found it" still applies. I understand with more hunters they may be more abuse - well they need to reported in my opinion. The integraty of the hobby needs to be maintained. I can't believe blaiming "Meteorite Men" is the right thing to do however. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:14:24 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Treasure Hunter Code of Ethics > > Hi Adam and List, > > Well said, and I couldn't agree more. > > When I first saw Meteorite Men, I had very mixed feelings. I knew > this exposure would bring in a ton of new collectors, a ton of new > hunters, a few new dealers, and a ton of regular folk who think > grandpa's rock is a meteorite. All of that fresh blood would be good > for the hobby as a whole. I was thrilled with this aspect of the > show. > > When I discovered that dollar values was going to play a prominent > role in the show, I cringed. I cried. I ranted. I went outside, lit > a cigar and paced around. (you get the idea). Because I knew all of > those dollar signs (and Sonny's Ka-Jillion Dollar Rock) was going to > bring out the greed elements surrounding any valuable or rare > collectible (commodity) - the government is going to want it's palm > stroked, land owners were going to see dollar signs, and scammers > would crawl out of the woodworks. Any time there is a buck to be > made, it brings out the best and worst in people (and institutions) - > and now the genie is out of the bottle and the mainstream public knows > that gold falls from the sky in the form of meteorites. And the > government bureaucrats want to get involved now and make themselves > feel important. God help us all. LOL > > In all seriousness though, the Treasure Hunter COE is a good thing and > everyone should familiarize themselves with it. And above all - > RESPECT NATURE. When you are out hunting or hiking, please LEAVE NO > TRACE. No trash, no cigarette butts, no waste, no holes, and no > disrespect. Treat the great outdoors like your grandmother's living > room - be respectful. > > Best regards and happy huntings, > > MikeG > > > > > On 3/23/10, Adam Hupe wrote: >> Dear List Members, >> >> One of the reasons Meteor Crater was closed to hunting was due to a few >> meteorite hunters disrespecting land owners wishes. Holes and excavations >> were left behind without being back-filled and I read that a steer was >> injured. The BAR T ranch complained that cattle gates were being left open >> and trash left behind. ...and you wonder why it is now off limits. >> >> If meteorite hunting is going to be portrayed as a form of treasure hunting >> on TV, then maybe the treasure hunter's Code of Ethics should be brought up. >> It may help to preserve a portion of this hobby which is in grave danger >> right now. A disturbing recent development is that two states felt the need >> to protect federal lands from meteorite hunting even though none have been >> found on federal land in these two states as far as I can tell. What >> prompted this? You publicly treat meteorites like treasure and so will state >> and federal governments. You attach mega dollar price tags and you >> sometimes garner the wrong attention. >> >> Everything you say or do has a backlash that needs to be considered. What is >> good for TV ratings may not be good for the hobby. >> >> Treasure Hunters have been around for a long time and learned their lessons >> the hard way. Perhaps, we could learn something from them. >> >> Here is a link to a good interpretation of the Treasure Hunters Code of >> Ethics: >> >> http://www.threeforkstreasurehunters.org/ethicscode.html >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adam >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- >
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
All: I took another look at all these boxes... and thought... "what if the first Lunar from North America appeared." It could happen. The more people looking and getting stones checked, I think more meteorites will be discovered. Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:20:26 + > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Yes - unfortunate, but true. If they do not get the audience (cha-ching), then the shows will not last. Look at the shows "Pawn Stars" and now "American Pickers." They are similar to "Antiques Roadshow," but really focus on the monetary value of items and how much profit can be made. But that's what collectibles are: finding items of value. True scientists are interested in the scientific importance leading to discoveries of our solar system. For that - science shows on PBS are the best and always will be. Greg S. > From: cyna...@charter.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:36:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:51:09 -0700, you wrote: > >>When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the >>viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make >>some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. > > Or, even more to the point-- the Science channel does not exist to educate-- > it > exists to make money. So they sacrafice educational quality for the sake of > getting a bigger audience. > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ > > You want educational programming? Go with PBS. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Increased Interest in Meteorites
Hello List Members: This past weekend I attended a rock and mineral show here in Bakersfield, CA and I noticed two things. First: More vendors are selling (and are more knowledgeable of) meteorites now compared to the past. I spoke to a number of people and they had classifications on some stones, and one had a nice 650 gram Campo with a hole in it - he explained to me that this increases the value. I did not buy it but did get an interesting chondrite from him. Second: I could not believe the number of people telling me about the "Meteorite Men" TV show... a lot. Many asked me questions as they knew of my interest in meteorites. I think this is great that more people are becoming interested in meteorites, and I think it will increase demand. If this does happed with perhaps (less supply of NWA stones) meteorites should increase in value - especialy the more presting fresh fusion crusted pieces. It will be interesting to see the trends over the next year. Also, the local rock club here asked me if I wanted to do a presentation on meteorite hunting at one of their meetings. I think it's wonderful seeing so many people showing an interest in meteorites. Greg S. > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:58:37 -0700 > From: anitawestl...@att.net > To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; fuj...@mac.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Increased Interest in Meteorites > > Hi Ya'll: > As President of the Meteorite Association of Georgia, I have seen a recent > increase in interest in meteorites as witnessed by more people joining our > group, more people coming to our individual lectures, etc. > And yes, more uninformed but hopeful people swearing the rock they found in > their back yard was not only hot to the touch when found, but is worth its > weight in platinum. > In order to fend off the nasty replies I get when I patiently explain why > it's NOT a meteorite, I simply tell them this: > "Thank you for contacting us. It is difficult to tell from the photo you > provided, but it appears to me that you have found a piece of slag. I > encourage you to send your photo and/or a piece of the specimen to those who > can test the material with equipment I do not possess." Then, if they write > back asking for places that do testing, I'll provide that info. As of today, > no one has ever requested more information. I don't know if they were happy > with my reply, or simply put my email in the round file. > > Anita > > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Gary Fujihara wrote: > >> From: Gary Fujihara >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March >> 22, 2010 >> To: "Adam Hupe" >> Cc: "Adam" >> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM >> I agree with you Adam. As much >> as the Meteorite Men show has provided better awareness to >> meteorites in the general population, it has also spurred >> the conmen and get-rich-quick schemers. >> >> I think the show has been steered by producers to make it >> more appealing to viewers, but in doing so have placed far >> too much emphasis on monetary value and too little on >> scientific importance. This brings all the riffraff out of >> the woodwork and now we are beginning to see the negative >> effects this brings on our hobby/business/passion. My >> 2¢ >> >> gary >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: >> >>> A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will >> become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen >> when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece >> of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then >> slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to >> explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like >> the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. >>> >>> I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be >> put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news >> that their worthless rock will not make them the latest >> millionaire. This is what happens when the media >> focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite >> collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type >> of show may have provided. The state Washington >> and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on >> federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam >> artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy >> money is present. One just has to look at the most >> expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. >> Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar >> page. >>> >>> I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go >> the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation >> almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. >> Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when >> values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had >> to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major >> find due to the fact the press attac
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
May be a little late, but I thought of this thread when I saw this. Take a look - perhaps a movie will be made. Greg S. http://www.bdrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/recorder/whatson/story.aspx?brand=RECOnline&category=WhatsonBooks&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=whatsonnewham&itemid=WeED17%20Mar%202010%2017%3A14%3A39%3A113 Meteorite Strike - AG Taylor 17 March 2010 THIS book is the debut novel for AG Taylor but from the first chapter you'll find you are gunning for the main characters of Meteorite Strike. To say it's a sc-fi action thriller doesn't do the 334 pages justice - it's one of those tales that has you turning the pages despite yourself. Brother and sister Robert and Sarah are on a flight to Melbourne when there is a meteorite strike that brings with it a coma-inducing virus. It leaves most adults in a deep sleep, but the siblings, in common with other youngsters, appear to be unaffected. Not only that, but they all have super powers that bring them to the attention of an organisation that claims it is looking for a cure. It soon emerges that the Colonel in charge is trying to use their powers as weapons. It is a fast-paced adventure in which you quickly form attachments with the main characters who are predominantly children or teenagers. The adults who feature in the plot are few in number and almost incidental, with the Colonel quickly emerging as the "baddie" and the children's father, Daniel, triumphing over the odds a bit like Indiana Jones. It was easy to visualise the battle sequences so accustomed are we to televised action thrillers of the same ilk. Meteorite Strike (£5.99, Usborne) was written by AG Taylor who got the idea for it after a flight across Australia. He was born in New Zealand, but grew up in Norfolk. He studied English Literature at Sheffield before going on to take a teaching course at Cambridge University. Writing a book always remained an ambition and he has already penned a sequel, Alien Storm, which will be out in November. > From: dar...@dof3.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:26 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural > references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting > or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but > scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly > welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, > > Darryl > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
All: I found this interesting. http://online-auction-sites.toptenreviews.com/ Greg S. > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:25:38 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: meteorite...@comcast.net > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see > > Hi Jim, > > It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory > serves me correctly) > > The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each > other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other > dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. > > But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: >> >> It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so >> many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and >> have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. >> Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it >> free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for >> the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. >> >> Jim Konwerski >> Crete, IL >> USA >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Electric metallic blue inclusion inEnsisheim(the photo)
That's really cool!! Looks like azurite to me. Perhaps someone can take it to an institution and find out. Although, I thin section may be needed. I'll look more closely at my meteorites in the future. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. > From: g...@comcast.net > To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:16:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Electric metallic blue inclusion > inEnsisheim(the photo) > > Wow! What's that about?!! > > -- > From: "Shawn Alan" > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:25 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Electric metallic blue inclusion > inEnsisheim(the photo) > >> Here is the link cause the other one didnt work.Hope this one does. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262...@n03/4437467502/sizes/l/ >> >> Shawn Alan >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010
Simply Marvelous!! Greg S. > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:35:52 -0700 > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 16, 2010 > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_16_2010.html > > > > > > --- > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 5 reasons to record meteorite coordinates
> Who, Where, When, what and Why do you think Scientists want this > information? Scientists who want to understand strewn fields In publications Books - "Field Guide to meteorites" > Who holds this information? Met list Anyone who wants to compile the information and perhaps write an article or paper > Where is this information to be found and or published? Books and publications > When do you put it there? Anytime > What are they going to do with this vital information? Answered this > Why would you put it there? Answered this > Name the Scientists that care about this? Names please? Someone else can do this > The point is that I am sure it does not hurt to gather this information but > then what? Make a map and keep records > Nowadays, It seems to me the only people who give a rat's *ss about this is > Jason and a few other hunters Carl: Here's why I do it (one reason) I found a real nice meteorite on a dry lake - had a nice fusion crust (not common on dry lakes) anyway, it was chipped and I looked and looked and looked for fragments. Found a few more meteorites, but from different stones. So I took the coordinates and a picture (as I always do). Then two years later I went back to the same location (because I had the coordinates) and looked and I found two fragments, and get this, one fit onto the fusion crusted piece I found two years earlier. COOL !. But I had checked the same area before a year earlier... so the point is new meteorites are exposed on dry lakes all the time in the same spots... so you have to look in these areas over and over. It is very important to me to mark and take a picture of every meteorite I find. Greg S. . > Obviously so, they can go back and find more material but please don't > confuse this with what real Science has to do with it or even cares about. > Jason says he keeps records of all of his finds. I too keep records and I > think most people do as well. But until there is some data base or other > official place for it, this information along with a couple of bucks won't > buy much more than a cup of coffee. Sorry. True story. > Thanks Carl > > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > Mark Bowling wrote: >> To get back to the subject of land in the American West, if we wait for >> centuries or even a few decades before scientifically hunting an area, we >> lose meteorites because of urban development. That isn't happening in NWA >> for the most part, but it is here. Look at Gold Basin. There is a lot of >> remaining material, but soon it will be a settlement which will obliterate >> and destroy much of the remaining stones. And that is happening all over >> the West. Not to mention surfaces that are being destroyed by natural >> processes (every year rivers and washes like the Santa Cruz in Southern Az >> change channels and wash away thousands if not millions of cubic yards of >> land). I agree 100% that hunters should collect data for each and every >> find made, but we shouldn't restrict meteorite hunting because of a few bad >> collectors. What will happen is that good hunters will stop hunting and >> unscrupulous hunters will continue. Since they aren't enforcing basic >> laws on public lands, only those with a conscience and a good reputation >> will comply and stop. >> >> Why not create a system which encourages good hunting techniques? I think >> if we have such a system, a new person who stumbles into the hobby would >> pick up good habits from the start. If people realize that if they donate a >> certain percentage of a new find, that they could become published and >> acknowledged, they would choose to do that. If they know recording the data >> that scientist want, they would do it to help out. It is a source of pride >> to feel that you are helping in a greater cause. But if it's a choice of >> criminalizing meteorite hunting (for varied reasons - to stop data loss or >> "protect the land"), or leaving it the way it currently is, then I hope no >> changes are made. The past demonstrates (though Martin's good analysis) >> that the former will only harm the field of meteoritics. >> >> Regarding regulations, anything more complicated than selling a meteorite >> license (for a nominal fee, with the expectation that a certain percentage >> of finds will be donated to list of institutions) will be unenforceable and >> unmanageable (and too expensive). At some point you have to trust people to >> do the right thing and let their peers determine if they are worth doing >> business with. If an agent catches someone without a license (like the >> state and feds already catch poachers, dumpers, ATVers in Wilderness areas, >> etc.), then an appropriate fine is applied (with maybe a written warning for >> the first incident to allow folks to become educated with the system). >> Anything more complicated won't work and a good alternative is
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
List: Take a look at all the stamps with meteorites. None in the USA. We need one... perhaps The Tucson Ring? If the USA did make a Meteorite Stamp, what meteorite would you select? http://www.pibburns.com/catastro/metstamp.htm Greg S. > From: dar...@dof3.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:26 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural > references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting > or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but > scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly > welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, > > Darryl > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
This could be a good reference source http://books.google.com/books?id=JADiKdzkJqsC&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=meteorites+pop+culture&source=bl&ots=ayMUYFbEaH&sig=ftNZQ98uvJrPF--9s610S1992nQ&hl=en&ei=nImaS6GiGYH48AbIufCQDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CBkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=&f=false Greg S. > From: dar...@dof3.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:26 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural > references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting > or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but > scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly > welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, > > Darryl > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Darryl and List: There’s a great “Outer Limit” episode (original series) called “THE INHERITORS” in two parts so it’s two hours long. It is one of the best of the series and I highly recommend it. Don’t forget Stephen Kings “CREEPSHOW” a farmer finds a meteorite and goes insane. I think even Mr. King himself play the role in the movie. Greg S. > From: dar...@dof3.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:26 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural > references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting > or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but > scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly > welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, > > Darryl > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek=stony iro...@#
Yes there are two pictures - completely different color/shading of the same picture. I was thinking... what if just 'one' happened to turn out to be a meteorite. $20 ... not bad. Greg S. > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:49:48 -0800 > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: e...@meteoritesusa.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek=stony iro...@# > > I am a bit confused: > I followed the link and saw the photo used in the sale AND > Another photo where all the stones looked very highly weathered. > I know from experience some people use Photoshop to drop color > And make even a rusty S-A appear "perfect" - but they have an > Unnatural blackness to them one can easily recognize after seeing > This a couple of times. > My question is: where did the full color "rusty" specimens > Photo come from? > A second question is - even the weathered ones look like true > Meteorites (except the glossy looking one), so, how has it been concluded > These are not meteorites or even meteorites from Ash Creek? > RSVP > Thanks, Michael > > > On 3/11/10 3:40 PM, "Eric Wichman" wrote: > >> Someone needs to contact the winning bidder and notify them that what >> they purchased was not meteorites. Then notify Ebay of the auction. >> >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> >> >> On 3/11/2010 3:22 PM, Linton Rohr wrote: >>> He sure does, Ken. >>> Thanks for that link. >>> Looks like a couple people didn't know any better. >>> The winning bid was only $20 though. But that's $20 too much. >>> Linton >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Ken Newton" >>> To: "Linton Rohr" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek=stony iro...@# >>> >>> Hi, He has a history: http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/pwrsllrextrme.html best, kn On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Linton Rohr wrote: > Greetings list. > Very interesting batch of "West Texas stony iron chondrites" here on > e-bay. > Many of them look like they've been lying along a creek for a few > decades. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120541335542&ssPageName= > STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Happy bidding! > Linton > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Did you hear a boom Monday? It could possibly be...
Does anyone live near Shreveport LA? Greg S. http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=12113685 Did you hear a boom Monday? It could possibly be... Posted: Mar 09, 2010 7:30 PM PST Updated: Mar 09, 2010 7:30 PM PST SHREVEPORT, LA (KSLA) – An enormous "boom" heard across parts of Louisiana on Monday remains a mystery. Lots of people are still wondering what caused the earth to shake. The majority of parish leaders are saying it was more than likely a sonic boom heard across 6 parishes in north central Louisiana. Science professor Don Wheeler says a sonic boom is a possibility and could be heard over such a large area. He also is not ruling out a meteorite. "Did we have an explosion? Yes," says Don Wheeler, Delta Community College Science Professor. "Where was it? Don't think it was at ground level, based upon seismic data. So, probably something that was airborne; possibly a military jet or the meteor possibility, as it was entering the atmosphere coming from northwest to southeast." An earthquake has been ruled out, since there was no seismic activity. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Simple Question
Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s) to the Smithsonian? Greg S. > From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net > To: almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:13:38 -0600 > CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...whathappened > toethics?? > > No, > > But you will have to send half of the fish, > if you catch any, to the Smithsonian... > > > Sterling Webb > -- > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Martin Altmann" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...whathappened > toethics?? > > > Hi Martin and all, > > Next thing you know they will be putting a stop to fishing in this > country. > > --AL Mitterling > > Quoting Martin Altmann : > >> No, where did I? >> >> Jason. >> >> I like history. I like the Bulletins, I like modern natural science. I >> love >> meteorites. >> And, yes, I like my profession too, >> a profession, nobody has to be ashamed of. >> >> These are the four reasons, >> why I can't keep mum these years. >> >> Because I simply can't understand: Aren't they seeing, what they are >> doing? >> >> If only a single one could explain me, >> which the positive effects of the restrictive laws are or were >> in Australia, in Canada, in China, in Oman, in Algeria, in Argentina, >> in the >> Philippines, in Denmark, in Sudan, in Libya, in Namibia, in South >> Africa >> (?), now in USA, in Poland, in Russia (?), in Switzerland.. >> >> then I promise to be much quieter. >> >> Perhaps you can help me with that? >> So far I see only, that they risk all. >> >> Thank you >> Martin >> >> >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: Jason Utas [mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2010 01:05 >> An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what >> happened >> toethics?? >> >> So, what you're saying, Martin, is that you advocate hunters lying >> about where they find meteorites so that they can keep them. >> Because that was his question. >> ...Interesting. >> Jason >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Request > Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map
What if the Brenham meteorite never was documented. Perhaps Steve Arnold would have never found his huge meteorite a few years back. Never developed his searching technique and thus perhaps no "Meteorite Men." Just imagine if a friend came home and showed you a beautiful blood red ruby (gem quality) the size of a baseball, and you asked "where did you find that?" and he replied "I don't know." The more all work together, the more we all benefit and our children benefit. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:33:32 -0500 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com; jgross...@usgs.gov > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request> Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map > > Robert, > I couldn't agree with you more here about Jeff. > He is in my opinion THE most important person on this list. period. Not > because I agree with him all of the time but because he always has THE RIGHT > THING TO SAY. Which puts him head and shoulders above most of us and > especially above me. > Having said that. I don't yet understand why people put so much importance on > find co-ords and strewnfields. It has not only been pointed out by another > important list member that "A meteorite does not care where it lands". (Ted > Bunch). But to add to that I personally don't see where it will ever matter > all that much. I mean it has been pointed out that; > 1). These rocks move around and therefore do not tell us anything about where > they landed. The wind , water, flood, erosion. What ever the reason these > things move around. > 2). They are not a geological formation. They land totally randomly. This is > therefore trivial information ( of very little value). > 3). Larger material falls farthest? Yes, and littler one ride piggy back with > the big ones which skews the pattern and we may never know it because The > bigger ones may bury themselves never to be found. So, what have we learned > from something never found? > 4). How much more can we expect to learn from strewnfields? Ask any third > grader to show you what rocks do when they fall from any angle. > 5). This is really very simple stuff. The science is in the rest of the > knowledge we can gain. Let this co-ords and strewnfield crap go and things > will get a lot simpler. > 6). This will eliminate the need for certain laws. Nobody will care where it > landed and therefore less court battles over something that wouldn't exist if > not for an informed finder anyway. > 7). Did I mention beating a dead horse? > 8). I am sure I did not think of all the bad reasons for mapping here . Give > me time. > 9). I understand in the past we needed data on this but we are past the > invention of the wheel. Time to move forward. > But Jeff, other than that we all love you. Well at least like you a bunch. > Carl > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > Robert Woolard wrote: >> Jeff, >> >> You wrote in part: >> "A good policy would continue to reward those >>> who find these objects on behalf of the people, but also >>> prevent the loss of scientific information and significant >>> specimens. >>> >>> The question becomes, how can a reasonable regulation and >>> permitting process be created? I'll discuss this with >>> my colleagues in DOI and the SI, and perhaps groups like the >>> IMCA can help lobby for this as well. I think it is >>> quite achievable." >> >> >> THANK you so much for your very intelligent and logical input. You are >> exactly the kind of "scientist/human being" ;-) we need! We are lucky to >> have someone like you as a member of The List. I'm sure we all greatly >> appreciate your willingness to help in this matter. >> >> Sincerely, >> Robert Woolard >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] its a sad day
This is a great example of: "be careful what you wish for... you might get it." The entire meteorite community has been on a high with all the publicity, and now its come to bite us. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:20:49 -0800 > From: mfranci...@verizon.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] its a sad day > > Now reallyWho among us DIDNT see this coming??!! I have to tell this > story. I have been cold hunting (yeah, call me crazy, whatever) on and off > for going on six years now in the state of PA. Believe this or not, I have > yet to have a landowner refuse me access here in my home state, and have > covered many farms in different areas around the state, and have befriended > many good landowners. This past weekend, I stopped by a farm near where I > live, which has this huge hillside that has beckoned me for years. Parked the > jeep, went up to the door, as I had countless times in the past, Spoke with > the woman of the house briefly, and she went to get her husband. He and I > talked briefly, (a very nice gentleman at first)and I told him I'd love to > hunt his land for previously undiscovered meteorites. An aggravated look > suddenly came over his face and he says: "You mean like the meteorite men Ive > been seein on tv?" I started to explain the difference between cold > hunting and hunting known strewnfields, when he interrupted me by coldly > stating "We dont need no treasure hunters around here." ...and proceeded to > shut the door in my face. I am a friendly guy, and I know how to talk to, and > relate to people in general, and like I said, I've NEVER been refused thus > far, and have always been thankful for that. Just wanted to share this very > surprisingly unpleasant experience. Take from it whatever you want, I hope > this isnt a trend thats just gettin started. Yours, Mike Antonelli > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
Remember "Lorton" Hmm... What ever came of that anyway? Greg S. > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:15:25 -0800 > From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > Hi Daryl and List, > > My concern is that laws that have nothing to do with meteorites are being > twisted to include them with no input from the public whatsoever. To me, this > is not the American way. If they want laws protecting them, gather a > consensus, contact their legislatures, make them and stop twisting old laws. > Then these new laws can be challenged all the way up to supreme court if > necessary so they are not nebulous. I agree with the laws protecting cultural > items but meteorites have nothing to do with this unless they were worshiped > or turned into an artifact. There is very little money involved with > meteorites compared to minerals or fossils so why all of this unwanted > attention? > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > - Original Message > From: Darryl Pitt > To: Adam Hupe > Cc: Adam > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 10:03:04 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > > > Many countries have what are referred to loosely as "Antiquity & National > Heritage Acts" and this is modeled after the same. Simply expressed, a wide > net is being cast, and it's not a novel idea for meteorites to be viewed as > part of a nation's heritage. > > I hope Jeff Grossman's idea is embraced---which happens to be in the pocket > of the work Svend and others have already embarked upon. > > > All best / Darryl > > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: > >> I cannot understand how a meteorite can be considered an antique when most >> terrestrial rocks could be called the same thing. The only way to get a rock >> that is not an antique is to live near a productive volcano where you can >> retrieve a freshly created one like in Hawaii. A meteorite has no scientific >> importance whatsover if it is left on the ground to weather away, especially >> in Oregon and Washington where the climate is very destructive. >> >> Why all of this new interest in meteorites when only a handful have ever >> been found in Oregon and Washington? Why are old laws being twisted to >> include meteorites? Why waste the time creating an entry on a website >> protecting meteorites where very few have been found? It would be >> interesting to find out what parties are involved with the twisting of these >> laws and admonish them for being stupid. Maybe they were influenced by the >> media who overstate the monetary value and understate the scientific >> importance of these objects. You treat something like valuable treasure and >> the government will do the same. Everybody wants a piece of the pie whether >> they have earned it or not. I believe in the finders/keepers concept that >> has worked well for centuries. A meteorite is worthless until found! >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >> To: valpar...@aol.com >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:18:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. >> >> Hi List, >> >> I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only thing >> that has changed with this announcement is a block of text on a >> website. >> >> How a law is worded, versus how it is enforced are two different things. >> >> It's illegal to keep arrowheads you find in Florida, yet almost every >> local down here has some in a drawer or box. My grandfather (a highly >> decorated WWII veteran and all around great person) was quite proud of >> his arrowheads and I'd like to see some LEO try to take them from him. >> >> I don't think this wording change on a website is going to mean much >> in the long run. It just means we are going to hear more >> conversations like this one : >> >> BLM officer : Where did you get that rock that looks like a meteorite? >> >> Met Hunter : Oh that? I brought that with me from home, it's a good >> luck charm. But it's not working today because I didn't find >> anything. >> >> --- >> >> Or - >> >> Met Buyer : Where did you say you found this meteorite again? >> >> Met Hunter/Seller : I didn't, because I can't remember where I found >> it. It's the funniest thing, because I know I found it, but I don't >> remember where or when. I really need to stop sniffing glue before I >> forget where all of these specimens came from. >> >> - >> >> Don't you just love it when a government that murdered thousands of >> indigenous people and stole this land from the native American >> indians, now tries to dictate about theft and property? >> >> Message from this tax payer - hey government, you can make demands >> about meteorites when you give back the Indians' land you stole. It's >> very hypocritical
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
We can also thank the government for all the many 1000's of square miles of BLM areas we can freely visit and use, as long as people are responsible. Just imagine if we had no Federal lands and parks and it was all privately owned. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:39:19 -0800 > From: mina...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > How would you feel if they passed a law outlawing the trade of all U.S. > meteorites, regardless of how they were acquired? Surely most people > wouldn't care because it doesn't affect them, and they would only be halting > the theft of public treasures, which only benefit a greedy few. That is when > government becomes overbearing and violates the rights of the minority. Our > government was formed to protect individuals from overbearing government. We > don't harm anyone as long as we don't trespass on private property or Indian > lands. It is a political viewpoint, but it affects the meteorite community > regardless. It seems unlikely, but government growth is slow and through > incremental growth, this change may very well come. > > Mark > > > > - Original Message > From: GREG LINDH > To: meteorite...@gmail.com > Cc: meteorite-list > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 1:21:44 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > > > Jason, > > Speaking of hunting for meteorites in an illegal way, you wrote, "So when > you tell me that I'm breaking a law...kind of, I suppose. I have never sold > or traded a find, and never will. They will all wind up in an institution" > > It doesn't matter whether they "wind up in an institution". If you break > the law, you break the lawperiod. To say otherwise is to rationalize. > > As for my questions about where do the laws come from, I of course was > referring to the fact that laws come from governments. My original point in > my first post was only to point out that some governments get out of control. > The more out of controlthe bigger the bureaucracy, the more wacked out > laws occur. The fact is, I think most laws concerning meteorites are counter > productive. As has been said countless times on this List, if the meteorite > hunters didn't hunt and collect them, these wonderful rocks from space would > just sit and rust away. But, if that happens, it happens. To hunt for them > in an illegal way, is to break the law. There's no way around that. > You know, Jason, I'm pretty much of a newbie when it comes to meteorites. > I retired to Arizona about 5 years ago. I had intended to try my hand at > hunting in my state and the states that border Arizona. After checking with > the people at the BLM and other places, I found that there were too many > restrictions (laws). So, I have a metal detector that I bought for hunting > and a magnet stick, both of which have seen no use. I do plan on using the > detector in ways that are legal, but unless I get an "all clear" from the > authorities, meteorites won't be on my list of huntable objects. > That's the way I see things. If you see them differently, I can live with > that. > > Regards, > Greg > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 23:31:47 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. >> From: meteorite...@gmail.com >> To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> Greg, All, >> >>> These laws that restrict what can be taken off of BLM land, etc.where >>> do they come from? Where do these laws come from? Who creates these laws? >> >> What's your point? This wasn't addressed in your email or my reply, >> so I'm not sure what you're getting at. >> We are, of course, talking about the government, but if you're going >> to choose this as your example of an unnecessary or "wrong" law, >> perhaps you should challenge the laws that prohibit the collection of >> vertebrate fossils or indian remains by amateurs, as well. They >> amount to the same thing - but are more readily enforced. >> >>> Also, I'd like to address the following in your recent post. Speaking of >>> meteorites, you wrote, "it wouldn't stop anyone from hunting for them; >>> it's easy enough to say that you're looking for *anything* else...and if >>> they ask you what the brown rock that you've found is, do you really expect >>> the BLM officer to know what a meteorite looks like? >>> >>> In other words, *break the law*. Is that about right? Whatever works, huh. >> >> Hardly. Have you ever jay-walked? Did you ever have a sip of beer >> before turning 21 (or 18, depending on the era). >> I know that we do a better job of documenting our finds than most >> people out there, and a trained scientist probably wouldn't do better >> -- at least, I don't see what else they could do in terms of >> documenting a find. >> The thing is -- I understand why t
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
Adam/List: The reason is as follows: in 1975 three miners found what is called the "Old Woman" meteorite on BLM land in California. Unfortunately they had a problem; they could not removed it beause it weighed 6,000 lbs. As a result they contacted the Smithsonian (for some reason) and the Feds sent some representatives to see the meteorite. Because of its size and it was an Iron, the Smithsonian decided it was scientifically important and thus used the "Antiquities Act" to acquire the meteorite through letigation. I believe three parties were involve in the dispute: a) the three miners, who discovered it, b) UCLA, felt it belonged to the state, and c) the Federal Government (Smithsonian). The feds won and removed the meteorite and cut off a large end piece. Later the main mass was returned to California and it still sits in Barstow, California today. The end piece is still at the Smithsonian Institution. >From I can gather, it appears the the enforcement of the this law for >meteorites is up to the local BLM offices. If they do not want to bother with >it, then collecting meteorites should be fine. As to Oregon and Washington: >could be a local thing. You can get more information on the web and in books regarding the "Old Woman" meteorite. http://www.dustyway.com/2007/10/battle-for-old-woman-meteorite.html Greg S. > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:34:03 -0800 > From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > I cannot understand how a meteorite can be considered an antique when most > terrestrial rocks could be called the same thing. The only way to get a rock > that is not an antique is to live near a productive volcano where you can > retrieve a freshly created one like in Hawaii. A meteorite has no scientific > importance whatsover if it is left on the ground to weather away, especially > in Oregon and Washington where the climate is very destructive. > > Why all of this new interest in meteorites when only a handful have ever been > found in Oregon and Washington? Why are old laws being twisted to include > meteorites? Why waste the time creating an entry on a website protecting > meteorites where very few have been found? It would be interesting to find > out what parties are involved with the twisting of these laws and admonish > them for being stupid. Maybe they were influenced by the media who overstate > the monetary value and understate the scientific importance of these objects. > You treat something like valuable treasure and the government will do the > same. Everybody wants a piece of the pie whether they have earned it or not. > I believe in the finders/keepers concept that has worked well for centuries. > A meteorite is worthless until found! > > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > > > > > > - Original Message > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > To: valpar...@aol.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 6:18:48 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > Hi List, > > I think this is a lot of worry and noise over nothing. The only thing > that has changed with this announcement is a block of text on a > website. > > How a law is worded, versus how it is enforced are two different things. > > It's illegal to keep arrowheads you find in Florida, yet almost every > local down here has some in a drawer or box. My grandfather (a highly > decorated WWII veteran and all around great person) was quite proud of > his arrowheads and I'd like to see some LEO try to take them from him. > > I don't think this wording change on a website is going to mean much > in the long run. It just means we are going to hear more > conversations like this one : > > BLM officer : Where did you get that rock that looks like a meteorite? > > Met Hunter : Oh that? I brought that with me from home, it's a good > luck charm. But it's not working today because I didn't find > anything. > > --- > > Or - > > Met Buyer : Where did you say you found this meteorite again? > > Met Hunter/Seller : I didn't, because I can't remember where I found > it. It's the funniest thing, because I know I found it, but I don't > remember where or when. I really need to stop sniffing glue before I > forget where all of these specimens came from. > > - > > Don't you just love it when a government that murdered thousands of > indigenous people and stole this land from the native American > indians, now tries to dictate about theft and property? > > Message from this tax payer - hey government, you can make demands > about meteorites when you give back the Indians' land you stole. It's > very hypocritical to claim that meteorite hunters are stealing from > federal land, when that federal land was stolen by the government from > it's rightful owners. > > I don't take orders from a government that hands out small
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
Hi All: I know someone that works at the Smithsonian and I asked about this a few years ago. His reply: "We also talked about the legality of collecting on BLM property. This is a sticky subject that, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with the 20gm/20% rule. Technically, all meteorites found on BLM property are property of the United States. This was the result of the big mess with the Old Woman meteorite that was adjudicated just before I started working here. So it seems that if somebody at BLM wanted to, they could demand all the meteorites collected on BLM property be turned over... Apparently it is unlikely that BLM actually cares much about this whole business. It is all very complicated and legally confused, seems to me." Greg S. > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:09:47 -0800 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > Ruben and Listers, > Its not that sad of a day. I did some researching on the website Ruben > provided and this is what the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BUREAU OF LAND > MANAGEMENT of Oregon state states about rock collection on public land > > How can I collect rocks? > > Rock hounds are permitted to collect rocks found on the surface of the ground > and may use hand shovels and picks in digging, but must not use explosives or > power equipment for excavation. > > Technical a meteorite is a rock. So there we go, we can go rock collecting in > Oregon and look for new rocks (meteorites). Lastly Listers, do you think with > the recent meteorite falls and TV shows about meteorites on how much > meteorites might be worth could have put these new regulations in to motion, > or has this been something that has been taking place over the coures of a > few years? > > > > > > Shawn Alan > > > > > > > [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.Ruben Garcia>mrmeteorite at gmail.com > Mon Mar 8 20:11:14 EST 2010 > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? > BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene > Next message: [meteorite-list] [Bulk] It is a sad day. > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > Hi all, > > John Blennart just sent me this email. > > It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be illegal on all > government lands - yes even BLM! > > No more Dry lake Beds, Franconia, Gold Basin, Holbrook, Glorieta, > etc. (Unless of course you find private land and get permission) > > Check it out here. > http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php > > It is a sad day. > > > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > > > > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? > BothHammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene > Next message: [meteorite-list] [Bulk] It is a sad day. > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
Yes - The government has gotten bigger (since 1906) when the "American Antiquities Act of 1906" was passed. This topic has been discussed on the list before. From what I understand, meteorites found on BLM land is the ownership of the Smithsonian, it just has not been enforced. This is one of the negatives of publicity and talk of meteorite value, perhaps. I wonder if Lorton has anything to do with their increased interest? BTW, I'll just search for "iron-ore" from now on. Has anyone called this number (1-503-808-6596) to see who it it? Greg S. > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:36:04 -0800 > From: meteorite...@gmail.com > To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. > > Really, Greg? > Politics? > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: >> >> >> Hi Ruben, >> >> Everyone should take this to heartthe bigger the government, the >> smaller the citizen. Our government is getting quite big, no? >> >> >> Greg Lindh >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:51:50 -0700 >>> From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com >>> To: damoc...@yahoo.com >>> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. >>> >>> Richard and all, >>> >>> This is NOT just for Oregon and Washington (Hell, who is hunting >>> meteorites there anyway?) >>> >>> John Blennart has been talking with government people who have assured >>> him. "All the old Forest Service and BLM web sites will be changed to >>> read the new rules for meteorites." >>> >>> This is REAL! John has been saying this was in the works for weeks now >>> - It seems that the recent interest in meteorites made them look into >>> doing this. >>> >>> Rock On! >>> >>> Ruben Garcia >>> >>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net >>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ >>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hole new theory on life
Just an amazing picture. Nice artical too. Greg S. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2644178 Microbes found in Arctic meteor crater could help point to life on Mars Randy Boswell, Canwest News Service Published: Friday, March 05, 2010 Related Topics Oceanographer Dale Stokes surveys the Haughton Crater on Devon Island in Canada's Arctic. Ed Struzik, Canwest News Service Files Oceanographer Dale Stokes surveys the Haughton Crater on Devon Island in Canada's Arctic. Scientists studying an ancient meteorite crash site in the Canadian Arctic have detected traces of microbes that point to the key role played by impact craters in the evolution of life on Earth and could help determine whether life once existed on Mars. The discovery -- hailed by an 11-member team of researchers from Canada, Britain, the United States and Sweden as a scientific "first" -- was made at Devon Island's Haughton Crater, a uniquely dry and desolate geological gem probed frequently by experts from NASA because of its Mars-like features. "Meteorite impact craters have been proposed as possible sites to find microbial life on Mars, as they are a focus for heat and water circulation," says the research team, including University of Western Ontario geologist Gordon Osinski. The researchers examined meteorite-shocked rocks from numerous sites throughout the 24-kilometrewide crater and found telltale traces of sulphur left behind by heat-loving, "thermophilic" bacteria that moved into the crash site after the impact. "Evidence of widespread microbial activity" in the Canadian crater, the team says, has "shown for the first time that a crater was pervasively colonized by microbes, and that colonization of over 20 cubic kilometres of impact rock was rapid, within 10,000 years after impact, while the rock was still warm." The team concludes: "This emphasizes the potential of impact craters in the evolution of early life on Earth, and the search for life on other planets." Several of the researchers, including team leader John Parnell of the University of Aberdeen, have made previous findings at the Haughton Crater, highlighting its value in the search for extraterrestrial life as well as in detecting signs of tiny, primordial organisms from the dawn of Earth history. In 2005, a Parnell-led study at the Nunavut site yielded proof that billion-year-old "biomarkers" -- faint chemical traces of organic matter -- had survived the massive meteor strike that created the Haughton crater 23 million years ago. The latest project has yielded proof that the space rock that struck Devon Island created warm, protective niches for microscopic organisms, allowing them to flourish -- and leave fossilized signatures of their activity --at the impact site. The remoteness and "polar desert" environment of Devon Island means the crater has undergone much less change than other impact sites around the world, making it one of the best places on Earth to study a simulated Martian landscape. Spacecraft that have probed Mars in recent years have fuelled a belief among experts the planet once had water and supported rudimentary forms of life. Scientists seeking signs of extraterrestrial life are increasingly focused on developing techniques to detect infinitesimally small organisms, fossilized remnants of microbes or merely the faint traces of the biochemical building blocks needed as a base for life's primordial soup. In 2004, British scientist Charles Cockell described Devon Island as one of the Earth's best remaining examples of "the sort of habitat that would have given rise to life on Earth." And based on his studies of the Haughton Crater, Mr. Cockell stated at the time such impact sites offer a warm, hospitable habitat for bacteria and algae, and also for the "pre-biotic" proteins that had to come together for that first spark of life on Earth. Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2644178#ixzz0hLbjvqJ8 The National Post is now on Facebook. Join our fan community today. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could Another Dog Have Found a Meteorite... hmmm
Take a look at this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Iron-Meteorit_W0QQitemZ120536592066QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c108a6ec2 He says his dog found it. I don't know...? Greg S. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Northland residents report flaming object in the sky
Any more information on this one? Greg S. http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/161921/ Northland residents report flaming object in the sky Several Northland residents reported seeing a flaming object in the sky about 7:15 p.m. Wednesday. Audrey Monicken, who lives on Duluth’s Park Point, said she was watching television when she caught the sight. “I saw a flaming thing come down out of the sky,” she said. She described the object as about the size of a mattress with red flames, and said that it came down at an angle out of the sky. From her vantage facing the harbor, Monicken said the object seemed to disappear in the middle of the bay. Brad Wick, a public information officer for the Duluth Police Department, said dispatch received a handful of calls from people who reported a fiery object in the sky. One person thought an aircraft had crashed into the lake, but Wick said a call to the air traffic control tower at Duluth International Airport indicated there was no sign of an airplane in the area or in distress at the time of the sighting. The Duluth Police Department also received an inquiry about a flaming object in the sky from the Cook County emergency dispatch. The National Weather Service in Duluth also received a report from a Washburn County resident in the Spooner area, who described seeing a fireball that traversed the horizon about the same time Wednesday night. Tom Lonka, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service, said it’s possible the two reports could be explained by a meteorite or a piece of “space junk,” such as an old satellite, entering the Earth’s atmosphere. He said such events are not that rare, and the Weather Service receives occasional calls about similar sightings. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Count (Guido) Diero ! : )
Congratulations Count, I do a dance and jump around when I find a 10 gram piece... I can't imagine what I would do finding one 28 lbs - simply amazing. Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:30:49 -0500 > From: wahlpe...@aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] I hate Count (Guido) Diero ! : ) > > Hi List, > > I bet you could call this beginners luck. I took Guido out meteorite > hunting. I turned left and he turned right. To check out what he found > scroll to the bottom of the meteorite hunts page. More to come later. > > http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html > > Sonny > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Perils of Type Collecting - A Guide
Murchison is a CM2 Greg S. > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:12:20 -0500 > From: cdtuc...@cox.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; damoc...@yahoo.com; > meteoritem...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Perils of Type Collecting - A Guide > > Good list, > missing is the division between > CBa Buencubbin > CBb HAH 237 > CK3 > and Tagish lake is not ungrouped but I think is a C2. > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > Richard Kowalski wrote: >> Thanks a lot Mike. >> >> I thought I had pretty much completed my type set a few months ago, but now >> I see that I'm missed a few gradations that maybe I should pay attention to. >> >> I think, for budgetary and sanity sake, I'll have to be selective in how >> fine my divisions are than to try to get every sub-type you mention! >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> Full Moon Photography >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: >> >>> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Perils of Type Collecting - A Guide >>> To: "Meteorite List" >>> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:18 PM >>> Greetings Listees and fellow >>> collectors, >>> >>> To the veteran collector, there will be little of interest >>> in this >>> post. This post is directed at the silent newbie or >>> beginner lurkers >>> who are sorting through this List and trying to find their >>> way around >>> the world of collecting meteorites. >>> >>> Many new collectors often want one of each type of >>> meteorite. Many >>> veteran collectors abandon this pursuit because the task is >>> quite >>> daunting. So when you hear talk about >>> "type collecting", or building >>> a "type collection", what exactly does that mean? I >>> hope the >>> following brief article will answer those questions, or at >>> least point >>> the reader in the right general direction. Note, I >>> gleaned much of >>> this type information from David Weir's authoritative >>> website >>> "Meteorite Studies" and from the Meteoritical >>> Bulletin. I do not >>> claim that this list is 100% complete or without error, so >>> if the >>> reader spots an error or omission, please reply and correct >>> it. >>> >>> - >>> >>> The Perils of Type Collecting >>> >>> I started out collecting meteorites with a small sample of >>> NWA 4293 - >>> an ordinary high iron chondrite of the H6 type. It was >>> about the size >>> of a dog-food kibble and it looked like one. But I was >>> instantly >>> hooked, and I wanted to have one each of the different >>> types of >>> meteorite. This is known as "type collecting" or building a >>> "type >>> collection". >>> >>> The danger of type collecting (besides the damage to one's >>> checking >>> account) is that the various petrologic types are >>> subdivided into >>> various grades according to metamorphism. >>> >>> For example, take the H chondrite group that my NWA 4293 >>> sample belonged to. >>> >>> There are H3 chondrites, H4 chondrites, H5 chondrites, and >>> H6 >>> chondrites. Did I really need one each of these subtypes? >>> Well, it >>> depends on how deep a collector wants to go into the rabbit >>> hole. >>> There are distinct differences between the various H types. >>> The number >>> attached to each is more than just a simple weathering >>> grade or shock >>> grade. It represents a progession in the H-chondrite family >>> from least >>> altered to most altered. H3 chondrites are loaded with >>> chondrules, H4 >>> have some chondrules, H5 has few chondrules, and H6 has >>> virtually no >>> visible chondrules. A new grade of H7 has been added as >>> well. So, a >>> collector could simply have a single Hx chondrite and say >>> that the >>> H-chondrites are represented. Or, the collector could have >>> one each of >>> the different subtypes from 3 to 7. >>> >>> Another peril is the changing of nomenclature. For example, >>> the >>> K-subgroup of carbonaceous chondrites was only recognized >>> and >>> designated in 1990. Up until then, Karoonda was considered >>> a CV4 >>> meteorite of the Vigarano family. Now Karoonda is >>> recognized as >>> distinctly different type of carbonaceous chondrite, so it >>> was made >>> into it's own group. Now we have CK4, CK5, and CK6 >>> meteorites - all >>> represent a progression in metamorphism and have visible >>> (and >>> chemical) differences from other grades. There are standout >>> members of >>> each subgroup, so where does one draw the line? Should the >>> collector >>> acquire a sample of Karoonda and be done with it? Or should >>> the >>> collector go out and track down CK4, CK5 and CK6 >>> meteorites? Again, it >>> depends on how extensive and exhaustive a collector wants >>> to be with >>> their type collection. Budget will also play a role as >>> well, because >>> an exhaustive type collection is a daunting project. >>> >>> Lastly, one must consider the ungrouped meteorites. These >>> are oddball >>> meteorites
