Re: [meteorite-list] Enough
Should read "selling" not welling...sorry. On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com> wrote: > Strange how that thread deteriorated from what looked suspiciously like a > series of ads for welling through an auction without saying in the title > into a completely different argument...LOL > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 12:34 PM, John Teague via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > >> AMEN! >> >> -Original Message- >> >From: Garry Stewart via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentr >> al.com> >> >Sent: Nov 5, 2017 1:10 AM >> >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough >> > >> >Adam and Jason, if you two want to fight then do it in private. Nobody >> wants to hear your continuous argument about who’s right and wrong. Give us >> all a break. >> > >> >Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. John >> Lennon >> >__ >> > >> >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and >> the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> >Meteorite-list mailing list >> >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and >> the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough
Strange how that thread deteriorated from what looked suspiciously like a series of ads for welling through an auction without saying in the title into a completely different argument...LOL On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 12:34 PM, John Teague via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > AMEN! > > -Original Message- > >From: Garry Stewart via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@ > meteoritecentral.com> > >Sent: Nov 5, 2017 1:10 AM > >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough > > > >Adam and Jason, if you two want to fight then do it in private. Nobody > wants to hear your continuous argument about who’s right and wrong. Give us > all a break. > > > >Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. John > Lennon > >__ > > > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and > the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough
AMEN! -Original Message- >From: Garry Stewart via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >Sent: Nov 5, 2017 1:10 AM >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough > >Adam and Jason, if you two want to fight then do it in private. Nobody wants >to hear your continuous argument about who’s right and wrong. Give us all a >break. > >Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. John Lennon >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough
Adam and Jason, if you two want to fight then do it in private. Nobody wants to hear your continuous argument about who’s right and wrong. Give us all a break. Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. John Lennon __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough
Speaking of identification, how about a signature or name at the bottom of your email? Respectfully, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ From: plagiok...@arcor.de plagiok...@arcor.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i wouldnt talk about these here. Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I do this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read during an average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn more. Of course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and most detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany (Röslers Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an age of less than 10 years, just because the commom books became too boring. I have read every of my books during my live more then 10 times, some even so often, that they begun to disintegrate. So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals, than the average people, who study some years and put after this studium the textbooks in the corner and do just their jobs. And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones should show glass and especially bubbles. You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just humans. And most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do their jobs. You would wonder alot, if you would show common already identified mineral samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify these. Especially, when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your geologist put some hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you? Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean, that every thing with a hole is a fulgurite and does also not exclude the occurrence of wrong fulgurites. Its the same thing as with meteorites. Not every black stone in a desert is a meteorite and the occurrence of meteorites does not exclude the occurrence of wrongs. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
Yeah anything's better than 100% adverts! m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hankey Sent: 26 August 2009 22:55 To: Michael Blood Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.jpg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
But Captain, it is! Remember how often you are asked, whether there are meteorites from other galaxies ! Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Blood Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:09 An: cyna...@charter.net; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.jpg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH
Not once. Michael PS: Standard question: where do meteorites come from? (in said Misspoken grammar). On 8/26/09 2:27 PM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: But Captain, it is! Remember how often you are asked, whether there are meteorites from other galaxies ! Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Blood Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:09 An: cyna...@charter.net; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question
Hi Mike H. and all, Even if some of the people on the list are interested, that doesn't mean that it should be allowed. If it's not on-topic, it is still breaking the list rule because it's not about meteorites, meteors, etc. The Alien and matrix discussions were also not on topic. If we allow this to go on, then everyone can post their own off-topic messages and we'll have a free-for-all. Let's try to keep everything somewhat related to meteorites. Otherwise, I'll start talking about my house or my Jeep or my cats (because they are all on the Earth... and meteorites hit the Earth... therefore they must be on-topic, right?). And then we'll have the Haiku poets come out of the woodwork... argh. :-) Thanks, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hankey Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:55 PM To: Michael Blood Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.j pg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put KEEP the SOL Q Going Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn¹t be able to get out of the light¹s way. http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
I am for 2 AD post for week, one its many few, seen for ebay auctions if ended in 3 days... Matteo --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: No offense Steve or anybody else, I just quoted a rule that Art made to prevent the List from becoming a Spamfest. If everybody who sales meteorites posted three to six times a week which has been happening lately with a few people then the List would become overwhelmed. Art wisely made the rule, one Ad posting per week. Some people must feel they are better than everyone else and have the right to post as many advertisements as they want. I personally find it distasteful and offensive that Art's rules are not being followed. Thanks to Art, everybody has a place where they can share their thoughts and discuss ideas. Abuse this privilege and all we will have at our disposal is a Spamfest. Take care and show some courtesy, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
on 3/12/06 8:22 AM, M come Meteorite Meteorites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am for 2 AD post for week, one its many few, seen for ebay auctions if ended in 3 days... Matteo -- You can be For whatever you like, Mateo. However, this is Art's list, not yours. He makes the rules. Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
I have to say that I am finding this sucking up to art and talking about respect for him and such is very amusing. By publicly spamming the list with complaints rather than complain to art in private I am suspicious that certain individuals are trying to make themselves look holy rather than trying to solve an actual problem. This is especially amusing given that last year before the one a week Big steve and matteo rule came into effect art publicly said that he didnt care and only put the rule in place after more complaint emails were received than Steve and matteo sent in the first place. That being said there comes a point where enough sale postings is enough. After all, do one really need to advertise ebay auctions 5 times a week to the same people (And Steve, think about it, you are offering the same rocks twice a day - are you really getting enough sales on each new posting to make it worthwhile - and at the same time compensate for the ill will you are generating and lost sales because of that). Before this new Big Steve and Matteo rule came into effect things went nicely. People who regularly sent a lot of sale postings (A group that includes myself, farmer, the hupes, cottingham, blood, bob and others as well as people who post less regularly) did send regular sale postings and while certain people didnt like it (Steve shooner comes to mind) nobody was really upset at the number of sale postings. It was only after Steve and matteo went a bit (OK, more than a bit) overboard that people started complaining. This whole thing is an isolated problem. However, the one a week rule (Assuming one religiously followed it) causes new problems that affects not only dealers but other list members. Everybody (Except Steve and Matteo) made postings that were spread out and not overly irritating and was often done to announce new offerings. For example, me and other dealers who get moroccan stuff would make more postings after trips, Blood makes more marketing postings before Tucson about his auctions ect but then you rarely hear from him. Even matteo announced a new martian a couple times. These sale postings are more than sale postings (Sometimes) and many list members are interested in these new announcements even if they are not nterested in buying. For example if some dealer announces a new lunar or achondrite having a sale with the announcement makes sense. And if somebody reading the announcement and looks at the new pictures of a new meteorite (And many dealers make stunning photos of their meteorites which interests a lot of people) it would be considered normal in almost any industry to have to sit through an ad to learn about it. You have to sit through an ad to watch a video on cnn.com or on TV for example. Is it really fair for example to limit blood to one ad a week before a major meteorite event in february (when he needs a dozen postings as he asks for submissions, updates to the sale, logistics on how to submit auctions or find the venue ect) when you rarely hear from him (With sale postings) the rest of the year? Before I left Canada I had a lot of postings as I was liquidating stuff (Including once a Third day in a row sale which ironically drew complaints of spamming from matteo) and dealers coming from morocco or after tucson, munich or ensisheim advertsiing new things that they acquired. Many list members are interested in these postings. And many are also interested in new ebay listings. The delete button is very useful and deleting an extra 4 pieces of spam a day when you usually get dozens is not such a big hassle. But the new One a week Big Steve and Matteo rule is making this more difficult if everyone if religiously followed and reduces the overall value of the list. Matteo said earlier today that he Prefers 2 a week. I am sure nobody would complain if it was indeed 2 a week. He probably does that now anyway and nobody complains or even notices. I would also expect more sale postings made around the time of the big shows. Of course this is Arts list and he can make whatever rules he wants but the new rule was made due to lots of complaints about big steve and matteos dozens of postings and more than the dealers making the postings are suffering. Art has pretty much ignored this violation and unless somebody groosely violates it (Like steve this week) I doubt Art cares to much. But if one wants to complain complain to art - not to the other 600 members who dont have the power to change anything anyway - postings that has alraedy generated more hard feeings than steves postings ever did. What do you expect to acompolish by complaining to the other 600 list members anyway? I suspect that one is trying to make themselves look holy as complaining to Art would be the actual intelligent thing to do. Obviously a group discussion might be useful to but not to the extend of the bloodletting that has been going on. But this is an isolated problem and involves two individuals and everybody
[meteorite-list] enough already!
Dear Bessey Said in Part: -What do you expect to acompolish by complaining to the -other 600 list members anyway? I suspect that one is -trying to make themselves look holy as complaining -to Art would be the actual intelligent thing to do. My two cents worth: Perhaps to keep the list from being overwhelmed with negative vibes we should have a corrollary (sp?) rule: Only criticize the same offense once. Or better yet, keep the criticism off list. Mike Fowler Chicago Being spammed with anti spamming is not progress! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already!
The consequences would only be more spam. Corollary spam if you like. By that rule we are all entitled to a dozen retaliatory spams rebutting Steve in the next eleven days. 10 more for me since I've already used 2. Dean made a good point. Just complain to Art. Bill Being spammed with anti spamming spam isn't progess either. Perhaps to keep the list from being overwhelmed with negative vibes we should have a corrollary (sp?) rule: Only criticize the same offense once. Or better yet, keep the criticism off list. Mike Fowler Chicago Being spammed with anti spamming is not progress! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already!
--On Mar 12, 2006, at 6:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The consequences would only mean more spam. Corollary spam if you like. By that rule we are all entitled to a dozen --retaliatory spams rebutting Steve in the next eleven days. 10 more for me since I've already used 2. Dean made a good point. No, No, No! The offense is too many ads. After your have criticized that once why would you want to do the same 11 times? --Just complain to Art. Yes Yes Yes! (and/or directly to the offender) Mike Fowler Perhaps to keep the list from being overwhelmed with negative vibes we should have a corrollary (sp?) rule: Only criticize the same offense once. Or better yet, keep the criticism off list. Mike Fowler Chicago Being spammed with anti spamming is not progress! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough already I vote for 2
My Friends I would rather read and delete 10 ads than read one more complaint , whining and petty bickering . My kids don't cry and complain 1/10 this much . Not even when they were babies ! So lets grow up a little . I vote for 2 ads per week with exceptions understanding things happen and exceptions are necessary ! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] enough already
I seem to remember last year at this time,the jump all over steve arnold parade was hitting high pitch fever.Well it seems it is starting again.All because I send out to many posts.This has gotten beat to death.I do not like it,but I have gotten used to it.Life is is just way to short to let this get me down.Anyway I relisted 2 specimens that someone backed out of wanting them.They are the 60 gram endcut of NWA 2690 howardite and the 50 gram individual o NWA 1929.Lets please stop the bashing.And bill k.,we do not need you start the old process.Just let it go. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
No offense Steve or anybody else, I just quoted a rule that Art made to prevent the List from becoming a Spamfest. If everybody who sales meteorites posted three to six times a week which has been happening lately with a few people then the List would become overwhelmed. Art wisely made the rule, one Ad posting per week. Some people must feel they are better than everyone else and have the right to post as many advertisements as they want. I personally find it distasteful and offensive that Art's rules are not being followed. Thanks to Art, everybody has a place where they can share their thoughts and discuss ideas. Abuse this privilege and all we will have at our disposal is a Spamfest. Take care and show some courtesy, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] enough already
Steve. I am sure there is a silent majority like me that enjoy reading your forsale posts. Keep up the good work and don't let the bashers get you down. Mark From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] enough already Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:53:14 -0800 (PST) I seem to remember last year at this time,the jump all over steve arnold parade was hitting high pitch fever.Well it seems it is starting again.All because I send out to many posts.This has gotten beat to death.I do not like it,but I have gotten used to it.Life is is just way to short to let this get me down.Anyway I relisted 2 specimens that someone backed out of wanting them.They are the 60 gram endcut of NWA 2690 howardite and the 50 gram individual o NWA 1929.Lets please stop the bashing.And bill k.,we do not need you start the old process.Just let it go. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote: I seem to remember last year at this time,the jump all over steve arnold parade was hitting high pitch fever. Well it seems it is starting again. If it is attacking you the same time every year post Tucson when our regular bills are coming due in March Yes I think I have it--the incubation peroid is about 4-6 weeks. I think I know what you have Steve. I was once possessed of this disorder myself. It is also known as meteorite-obssesius with comorbid blow-the-budget-to-hellitus. This disease mainly affects visitors to Tucson and the CDC is contemplating naming it Tucson Destitution Disorder. Small outbreaks are reported in Munich and Eneshisem(sp)annually as well. These are thought related to a simular viral disorder :Can't-believe-I-lost-the-rent-money syndrome of Las Vegas. Steve aslo admitted: All because I send out to many posts. Admiting that you are helpless to control this which you know is excessive is the first step to recovery in 12 step programs. I am optimistic for your recovery. Hello, I am Elton, I am a meteorohaulic __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
Huh, what's that? More meteorite specimens, Geeze! Let it go? Let it die and just go! DF Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote: I seem to remember last year at this time,the jump all over steve arnold parade was hitting high pitch fever.Well it seems it is starting again.All because I send out to many posts.This has gotten beat to death.I do not like it,but I have gotten used to it.Life is is just way to short to let this get me down.Anyway I relisted 2 specimens that someone backed out of wanting them.They are the 60 gram endcut of NWA 2690 howardite and the 50 gram individual o NWA 1929.Lets please stop the bashing.And bill k.,we do not need you start the old process.Just let it go. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] enough already
Hello, I am Elton, I am a meteorohaulic Dear Elton, List; I am Dave, a stromatolite and meteorohaulic... Do you think Steve will sell the camera? Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote: I seem to remember last year at this time,the jump all over steve arnold parade was hitting high pitch fever. Well it seems it is starting again. If it is attacking you the same time every year post Tucson when our regular bills are coming due in March Yes I think I have it--the incubation peroid is about 4-6 weeks. I think I know what you have Steve. I was once possessed of this disorder myself. It is also known as meteorite-obssesius with comorbid blow-the-budget-to-hellitus. This disease mainly affects visitors to Tucson and the CDC is contemplating naming it Tucson Destitution Disorder. Small outbreaks are reported in Munich and Eneshisem(sp)annually as well. These are thought related to a simular viral disorder :Can't-believe-I-lost-the-rent-money syndrome of Las Vegas. Steve aslo admitted: All because I send out to many posts. Admiting that you are helpless to control this which you know is excessive is the first step to recovery in 12 step programs. I am optimistic for your recovery. Hello, I am Elton, I am a meteorohaulic __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough is Enough - Plain Simple!
G'day Stefan / List, Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple. If NWAxyz has been classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then that is that. Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come fromthe same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it is NWA xyz. No matter how experienced they might be, if they're notqualified then they should say something along the lines of"This stone is possibly paired with NWA xyz" or have their own authorisedanalysis done. And for anyone thinking " Yeah, but...";stop right there!!! Another list member hasmentionedthat not long agoseveral lunar stoneswerefound in the same strewnfieldin Dhofar.Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate falls.If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteoriteswould likely have just been sold as the same thing! Plain Simple, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: S. Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Dear Marcin and List,if "NWA4000" has a total known weight of 200 g, it would be a littlestrange, if somebody offers 500 g of "NWA4000" for sale. In my opinion thecorrect way would be that the seller offers the material as"possibly pairedwith NWA4000" and provides a thin section of the possibly paired materialfor an examination. Otherwise every collector could classify his meteoritesand sell it as NWAxyz. The statemet "It looks just the same" wouldn't beenough for me as a buyer. Particulary at high-priced meteorites.As a dealer I will have all possibly paired stones of NWA- rare typesexamined in future by a seperate thin section and I will have the Tkwcorrected in the MetBull, if I get paired stones. This seems to me to be agood solution at the moment. I think, if a collector buys a slice of ahigh-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations aboutthe specimen.Best regards,StefanStefan RalewSR-Meteorite CollectionBerlin/ Germanywww.meteoriten.com- Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under "similar" NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone "own" ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me whyI CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the "owner" of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ?Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
for your news the new italian meteorites exit in the next Met.Bull. and stop to say this idiocy without any tests in your hands. they are months that I wonder who puts in these turn falsehood but you not give this informations, therefore better that you of it quiet bushels From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mauro Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:56:42 -0700 Wow, advice from the guy who fakes new Italian meteorite falls. I think we can ignore just about anything you say Matteo. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Mauro Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 if is for this other pieces of olivine digenite its available from the moroccan people, but not for this is right copy the complete text of a auction and put in another auction, or if you put and write (C) Hupe From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:14:23 + Almost forgot, the french also have an olivine diogenite now, around 200g iirc... From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:27:47 -0700 Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Hello All, Farmer wrote, Wow, advice from the guy who fakes new Italian meteorite falls. I think we can ignore just about anything you say Matteo. Mauro-Matteo wrote.something, something, new meteorite. Mark coughs, and accidently pastes the following http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coltessera.html Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
this for close the mouths to a person in this list continue to say fake informations on this meteorite and on me. From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:21:20 -0500 Hello All, Farmer wrote, Wow, advice from the guy who fakes new Italian meteorite falls. I think we can ignore just about anything you say Matteo. Mauro-Matteo wrote.something, something, new meteorite. Mark coughs, and accidently pastes the following http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coltessera.html Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles. _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
ah...Lido di Venezia and Argentera probably exit in the next Met.Bull. for the Mareson di Zoldo and the Piave River I am under waith Vincent Jacques write to Sara Russel for explain the analysis done in Belgiumbut I do not, probably Vincent its death, why he never have answer to Sara and its pass many months. From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:21:20 -0500 Hello All, Farmer wrote, Wow, advice from the guy who fakes new Italian meteorite falls. I think we can ignore just about anything you say Matteo. Mauro-Matteo wrote.something, something, new meteorite. Mark coughs, and accidently pastes the following http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coltessera.html Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
on 9/12/04 11:10 PM, Mauro Daniel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: better that you of it quiet bushels - Well said! (?) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
I'd say it's all a matter of integrity and honesty. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough..take Dhofars
Hiho, If someone has problems with all the NWA-number-mess, the uncertain pairings, tkws, find locations, I would suggest him or her to take meteorites from Oman: those are in general much more better documented and most of them have accurate geographical coordinates, find weight, number of stones, calssification, shock stage, weathering degree, date of find..and cost quite the same like the uncertain NWA stuff sold in Morocco or on european or US-mineral fairs. Martin (who has a lot of Dho's for sale) - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? .. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Dear Marcin and List, if NWA4000 has a total known weight of 200 g, it would be a little strange, if somebody offers 500 g of NWA4000 for sale. In my opinion the correct way would be that the seller offers the material aspossibly paired with NWA4000 and provides a thin section of the possibly paired material for an examination. Otherwise every collector could classify his meteorites and sell it as NWAxyz. The statemet It looks just the same wouldn't be enough for me as a buyer. Particulary at high-priced meteorites. As a dealer I will have all possibly paired stones of NWA- rare types examined in future by a seperate thin section and I will have the Tkw corrected in the MetBull, if I get paired stones. This seems to me to be a good solution at the moment. I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Best regards, Stefan Stefan Ralew SR-Meteorite Collection Berlin/ Germany www.meteoriten.com - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. Cheers, Jörn EMAIL BY JEFF GROSSMAN - 09.09.2004 -- The official policy of the Meteoritical Society, as determined by its Nomenclature Committee, is that the name NWA 1110 only refers to the material described under that name in Meteoritical Bulletin no. 86, which has a total weight of 118 g. No other material should be called by that name. It is acceptable and routine, however, for people to make statements indicating that various numbered stones may be paired (although I would be cautious about believing such statements unless they appear in the Bulletin or other scientific publications). All new NWA stones, even if apparently paired with something else, must get their own numbers. This is the rule that applies to meteorites collected in areas of dense meteorite concentration, including all of those known as NWA. Note that this is NOT the same rule that applies if you find another piece of Holbrook or Allende... those would inherit the same name unless they could be proven to be separate meteorites. The Committee is considering a new rule that would allow a new NWA stone to be paired with NWA 1110. Under this rule, the new stone would have to be given a provisional NWA number of its own, NWA . It would have to be characterized by an expert, who would have to submit the evidence for pairing to the NomCom. If accepted, and if the type specimen requirement based on the aggregate mass has been satisfied, we would announce that NWA was paired with NWA 1110, thereby increasing the TKW by a certain amount. NWA would become an official synonym for NWA 1110. This rule has not yet been adopted (it was open for public comment in the early summer). jeff -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Meteoryt.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 13. September 2004 12:35 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorry, my inteligen mail program send this too early :)) So I think, the best what Adam or Greg can do now to prevent selling any paired or unpaired legal or illegal, tested or not tesed samples of NWA1877 is to buy all remaining samples of Olivine Diogenite from Morocco (Habibi and Co) , classify them and add them to orginal NWA1877 TKW or produce another unnecessary NWA number. This will definitelly end NWA1877 storry. For Bob Evans case I think that he should make a thin section, send it to classification and compare datas with NWA1877 to be sure if this is the same material or not. But there is question if the same material can have the same number if its really the same ? Who knows Or just simply compare thin section NWA1877 with his diogenite. How many Olivine diogenites is now known? 2, 3, 4 ?? This is not L6 so pairing should be not difficult. My two oliwines to this case. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What I do (I know it isn't a cure but will certainly help sometimes to keep track of the material I own): If I buy something, I record from whom I bought it. When I sell something, I record to whom I sell and add a letter to the sold piece, asking the new owner to keep a record about source and buyer (if he resells it) as well. I did so from the first piece I bought up to today. However, I do not pass on labels. I make my own when I resell. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:38 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Good idea Bernd. People like to make their own labels, for obvious reasons, unfortunately that's when all the history of the specimen is lost! But if we had a standard record card, as well though. Best, Mark -Original Message- From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2004 16:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 What I do (I know it isn't a cure but will certainly help sometimes to keep track of the material I own): If I buy something, I record from whom I bought it. When I sell something, I record to whom I sell and add a letter to the sold piece, asking the new owner to keep a record about source and buyer (if he resells it) as well. I did so from the first piece I bought up to today. However, I do not pass on labels. I make my own when I resell. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:38 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section of only 1 fragment (or even a few tinsections) - even if there are many MANY fragements to the find. all of the fragments get the same nwa number with little or no testing done to them. now if more material if found in the exact same place, by the same people, and is the exact same rare classification as the orginal find - but it's found after the original stuff is published - then the new material must have thermoluminecence studies, cosmic ray exposure, and oxygen isotopse data taken before the material will be considered paired to the orignial find. I challange anyone to give me a valid scientific reason why material sumbited before publishing can all be considered nwa xxx based upon a cursory visual examination - yet material found after a write up in the met bul requires exhaustive additional testing to qualify as a pairing - testing that science make take years to complete for even the most exotic meteorites such as martian and lunars. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Stan and List. Yes, this was exactly the point that we made in an earlier posting (The Probem with Reductionism ad Infinitum). The members of this list have not yet received any response from Adam on this matter and we wonder if he or anyone else have a reasonable explanation for this apparent double standard. -John Dawn stan . wrote: Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section of only 1 fragment (or even a few tinsections) - even if there are many MANY fragements to the find. all of the fragments get the same nwa number with little or no testing done to them. now if more material if found in the exact same place, by the same people, and is the exact same rare classification as the orginal find - but it's found after the original stuff is published - then the new material must have thermoluminecence studies, cosmic ray exposure, and oxygen isotopse data taken before the material will be considered paired to the orignial find. I challange anyone to give me a valid scientific reason why material sumbited before publishing can all be considered nwa xxx based upon a cursory visual examination - yet material found after a write up in the met bul requires exhaustive additional testing to qualify as a pairing - testing that science make take years to complete for even the most exotic meteorites such as martian and lunars. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear John and List, The word apparent double standard would apply here. If you feel it is ok to pick numbers at random for additional finds when it comes to NWA and not others, why is this not happening with the Antarctic, Sahara, DAGs, SAUs and Dhofars? Why is it that when a Martian meteorite was announced as NWA 1068 some dealers are using a number that describes a pairing instead (NWA 1110)? Could it be that they are too lazy to apply for their own numbers, have their material studied and submitted for vote. NWA 1110 is not a catchall for additional finds, it is an official set of tested pebbles that happen to be Martian. Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to be worth more on the open market these days. This one of the reasons I object strongly when it comes to rare material. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Stan and List. Yes, this was exactly the point that we made in an earlier posting (The Probem with Reductionism ad Infinitum). The members of this list have not yet received any response from Adam on this matter and we wonder if he or anyone else have a reasonable explanation for this apparent double standard. -John Dawn stan . wrote: Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section of only 1 fragment (or even a few tinsections) - even if there are many MANY fragements to the find. all of the fragments get the same nwa number with little or no testing done to them. now if more material if found in the exact same place, by the same people, and is the exact same rare classification as the orginal find - but it's found after the original stuff is published - then the new material must have thermoluminecence studies, cosmic ray exposure, and oxygen isotopse data taken before the material will be considered paired to the orignial find. I challange anyone to give me a valid scientific reason why material sumbited before publishing can all be considered nwa xxx based upon a cursory visual examination - yet material found after a write up in the met bul requires exhaustive additional testing to qualify as a pairing - testing that science make take years to complete for even the most exotic meteorites such as martian and lunars. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Adam, Stan and List. Adam-I think you missed the point that Stan and I were trying to make. We all agree that it would be best if every single stone found in the desert could be independently classified, the problem is that there are not enough resources or people willing to do so. The question was basically, how can fragments of some potential meteorite be paired with a classified fragment that has been properly analyzed and microprobed, when the remaining fragments have not even had a window polished into them, let alone been microprobed? This is particularily the case when there is no provenance as to the location in which these fragments were found as they could have been found in several different locations. It would seem in such a case that the best guestimate one could make in such a case would be to say that these non-analyzed fragments probably pair with the analyzed ones. For example, in the case of the 118g of NWA 1110, presumably around 116g have not been microprobed. In this case, it seems that the most accurate statement would be something along the lines of... the NWA 1110 non-analyzed fragments making up ~116g probably pair with NWA 1110's microprobed fragments. We are wondering about this because we are coming up against a similar predicament with several other falls. Thanks! -John Dawn Adam Hupe wrote: Dear John and List, The word apparent double standard would apply here. If you feel it is ok to pick numbers at random for additional finds when it comes to NWA and not others, why is this not happening with the Antarctic, Sahara, DAGs, SAUs and Dhofars? Why is it that when a Martian meteorite was announced as NWA 1068 some dealers are using a number that describes a pairing instead (NWA 1110)? Could it be that they are too lazy to apply for their own numbers, have their material studied and submitted for vote. NWA 1110 is not a catchall for additional finds, it is an official set of tested pebbles that happen to be Martian. Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to be worth more on the open market these days. This one of the reasons I object strongly when it comes to rare material. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Stan and List. Yes, this was exactly the point that we made in an earlier posting (The Probem with Reductionism ad Infinitum). The members of this list have not yet received any response from Adam on this matter and we wonder if he or anyone else have a reasonable explanation for this apparent double standard. -John Dawn stan . wrote: Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section of only 1 fragment (or even a few tinsections) - even if there are many MANY fragements to the find. all of the fragments get the same nwa number with little or no testing done to them. now if more material if found in the exact same place, by the same people, and is the exact same rare classification as the orginal find - but it's found after the original stuff is published - then the new material must have thermoluminecence studies, cosmic ray exposure, and oxygen isotopse data taken before the material will be considered paired to the orignial find. I challange anyone to give me a valid scientific reason why material sumbited before publishing can all be considered nwa xxx based upon a cursory visual examination - yet material found after a write up in the met bul requires exhaustive additional testing to qualify as a pairing - testing that science make take years to complete for even the most exotic meteorites such as martian and lunars. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman
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Dear List, We do know where all of NWA 1110 was found as does the journalist who documented our second expedition to Marrir. The first trip was published in Meteorite Magazine. Every piece of NWA 1110 was found by a Nomadic family in a 12 meter X 12 meter area 14 kilometers from the village of Marrir. This is not a strewn field. We figured NWA 1068 must have hit a rock on impact and shattered into several hundred pieces scattering them over a small area. The location alone is enough to make pairing statements after a qualified scientist authenticated every piece and the NomCom approved the scientists' work by making it official. Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Adam, Stan and List. Adam-I think you missed the point that Stan and I were trying to make. We all agree that it would be best if every single stone found in the desert could be independently classified, the problem is that there are not enough resources or people willing to do so. The question was basically, how can fragments of some potential meteorite be paired with a classified fragment that has been properly analyzed and microprobed, when the remaining fragments have not even had a window polished into them, let alone been microprobed? This is particularily the case when there is no provenance as to the location in which these fragments were found as they could have been found in several different locations. It would seem in such a case that the best guestimate one could make in such a case would be to say that these non-analyzed fragments probably pair with the analyzed ones. For example, in the case of the 118g of NWA 1110, presumably around 116g have not been microprobed. In this case, it seems that the most accurate statement would be something along the lines of... the NWA 1110 non-analyzed fragments making up ~116g probably pair with NWA 1110's microprobed fragments. We are wondering about this because we are coming up against a similar predicament with several other falls. Thanks! -John Dawn Adam Hupe wrote: Dear John and List, The word apparent double standard would apply here. If you feel it is ok to pick numbers at random for additional finds when it comes to NWA and not others, why is this not happening with the Antarctic, Sahara, DAGs, SAUs and Dhofars? Why is it that when a Martian meteorite was announced as NWA 1068 some dealers are using a number that describes a pairing instead (NWA 1110)? Could it be that they are too lazy to apply for their own numbers, have their material studied and submitted for vote. NWA 1110 is not a catchall for additional finds, it is an official set of tested pebbles that happen to be Martian. Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to be worth more on the open market these days. This one of the reasons I object strongly when it comes to rare material. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Stan and List. Yes, this was exactly the point that we made in an earlier posting (The Probem with Reductionism ad Infinitum). The members of this list have not yet received any response from Adam on this matter and we wonder if he or anyone else have a reasonable explanation for this apparent double standard. -John Dawn stan . wrote: Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section of only 1 fragment (or even a few tinsections) - even if there are many MANY fragements to the find. all of the fragments get the same nwa number with little or no testing done to them. now if more material if found in the exact same place, by the same people, and is the exact same rare classification as the orginal find - but it's found after the original stuff is published - then the new material must have thermoluminecence studies, cosmic ray exposure
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Hi Adam and thanks for the note. We know of around 60 g of picritic shergottite fragments that look identical to NWA 1110, and that were not part of the original 118 grams. This suggests that either several pieces of NWA 1068 hit rocks and broke into fragments, or perhaps more likely, a mass exploded at low elevation spreading fragments over a larger area than the 12 x 12 meter region that you mentioned??? Cheers -John Dawn Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, We do know where all of NWA 1110 was found as does the journalist who documented our second expedition to Marrir. The first trip was published in Meteorite Magazine. Every piece of NWA 1110 was found by a Nomadic family in a 12 meter X 12 meter area 14 kilometers from the village of Marrir. This is not a strewn field. We figured NWA 1068 must have hit a rock on impact and shattered into several hundred pieces scattering them over a small area. The location alone is enough to make pairing statements after a qualified scientist authenticated every piece and the NomCom approved the scientists' work by making it official. Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Adam, Stan and List. Adam-I think you missed the point that Stan and I were trying to make. We all agree that it would be best if every single stone found in the desert could be independently classified, the problem is that there are not enough resources or people willing to do so. The question was basically, how can fragments of some potential meteorite be paired with a classified fragment that has been properly analyzed and microprobed, when the remaining fragments have not even had a window polished into them, let alone been microprobed? This is particularily the case when there is no provenance as to the location in which these fragments were found as they could have been found in several different locations. It would seem in such a case that the best guestimate one could make in such a case would be to say that these non-analyzed fragments probably pair with the analyzed ones. For example, in the case of the 118g of NWA 1110, presumably around 116g have not been microprobed. In this case, it seems that the most accurate statement would be something along the lines of... the NWA 1110 non-analyzed fragments making up ~116g probably pair with NWA 1110's microprobed fragments. We are wondering about this because we are coming up against a similar predicament with several other falls. Thanks! -John Dawn Adam Hupe wrote: Dear John and List, The word apparent double standard would apply here. If you feel it is ok to pick numbers at random for additional finds when it comes to NWA and not others, why is this not happening with the Antarctic, Sahara, DAGs, SAUs and Dhofars? Why is it that when a Martian meteorite was announced as NWA 1068 some dealers are using a number that describes a pairing instead (NWA 1110)? Could it be that they are too lazy to apply for their own numbers, have their material studied and submitted for vote. NWA 1110 is not a catchall for additional finds, it is an official set of tested pebbles that happen to be Martian. Using the name NWA 869 is meaningless because like Kem Kem it has become a catchall stone. I would go as far as to say, you would better off selling NWA 869 as unclassified because an unclassified stone seems to be worth more on the open market these days. This one of the reasons I object strongly when it comes to rare material. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:53 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello Stan and List. Yes, this was exactly the point that we made in an earlier posting (The Probem with Reductionism ad Infinitum). The members of this list have not yet received any response from Adam on this matter and we wonder if he or anyone else have a reasonable explanation for this apparent double standard. -John Dawn stan . wrote: Regarding the different procedure for e.g. NWA / Gao-Guenie - this issue was addressed in an email by Jeff Grossman dated Sept. 9, 2004 (see below). Gao-Guenie can be treated like Allende or Holbrook in this context as it doesn't apply to areas of dense meteorite concentration. but what about stones like nwa 869? technically each one of them nees it's own nwa number and must be classified... my argument against the current guidelines is such: if a person were to submit 'x' new find comprising of many fragments of a meteorite, classification can be done based upon a representative thin section
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
The word apparent double standard would apply here. If you feel it is ok to pick numbers at random for additional finds when it comes to NWA and not others, why is this not happening with the Antarctic, Sahara, DAGs, SAUs and Dhofars? just for the sake of clarity, i dont think this is a problem with only nwa's, but ALL numbered series of meteorites. i only used nwa in my posts as i assumed it would be clear what i was tlaking about - meteorites named by number from areas of dense finds _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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At 11:10 PM 9/12/2004, Mauro Daniel wrote: therefore better that you of it quiet bushels Can anyone interpret this for me? I'm in the process of moving right now and my Captain Super decoder ring is packed away in a box. Best, JKG __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
therefore better that you of it quiet bushels probably should read Therefore, you better keep your mouth shut. I think Mauro is using an online translator for converting Italian to English---such translators often provide amusing results. }=] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam, Ive had just about enough of you. Quit being a little cry baby and get a friggin hobby. Jeff Grossman already told you meteorite names ARE NOT PROPRIETARY Do you know what that means Adam? YOU DO NOT OWN THE NAME , ADAM !! I will forward the list the email from Jeff Grossman in a moment. Adam Sell your meteorites and leave me the hell alone ! Everybody have a good week, and sorry about these unmitigated outbursts from Adam. Thank You Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
Almost forgot, the french also have an olivine diogenite now, around 200g iirc... From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:27:47 -0700 Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877
if is for this other pieces of olivine digenite its available from the moroccan people, but not for this is right copy the complete text of a auction and put in another auction, or if you put and write (C) Hupe From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:14:23 + Almost forgot, the french also have an olivine diogenite now, around 200g iirc... From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:27:47 -0700 Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Wow, advice from the guy who fakes new Italian meteorite falls. I think we can ignore just about anything you say Matteo. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Mauro Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 if is for this other pieces of olivine digenite its available from the moroccan people, but not for this is right copy the complete text of a auction and put in another auction, or if you put and write (C) Hupe From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 04:14:23 + Almost forgot, the french also have an olivine diogenite now, around 200g iirc... From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:27:47 -0700 Dear List, Enough is really enough, Bob Evans not listening to what was posted by people in know is now using the NWA 1877 designation, the number reserved for an Olivine Diogenite. We paid for the study of this material, reserved a NWA number for it and made it official by submitting it to the NomCom for a vote. A regular Diogenite or even terrestrial stones could easily be confused so be careful about purchasing an Olivine Diogenite from anybody who did not have his material studied in a lab, approved by the NomCom and issued its very own number. Off List, does anybody have Bob Evans address so that it will save us time in serving the legal documents we had prepared, this has gone far enough. Wishing everybody who adheres to good standards and plays by the rules well, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough with the moon and Mars rocks...
Mohamed, This is my last attempt to appeal to your sense of mathematical reality. You wrote: No, this rock in particular is not magnetic at all. I have another suspected lunar breccia (http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/ln3/) where the bulk is very little magnetic but not the clasts. ... I thank all those who replied, this seem the first find that gave me some hope, let us wait and see the results of tests. I want you to consider the comparative numbers of lunar and Martian meteorites that have been found vs. all other types combined. I'm not sure what the most up-to-date statistics are, but somewhere in the ballpark of 1 in 500 meteorites is lunar or Martian. It is extremely unrealistic to assume that your very first meteorite find will be of this type. You would need to find roughly 346 meteorites before you'd have even a 50-50 chance that one of them was either lunar or Martian. This doesn't even factor in the comparitive difficulty of recognizing a lunar or Martian rock vs. recognizing a chondrite. Chondrites without fusion crusts can still be recognized fairly easily in most cases; not so lunars and Martians. Given that you haven't found a single chondrite yet, it is presumptious in the extreme to think that you have magically acquired the skills necessary to find something far far rarer. Show me a chondrite. Until you do, it is ridiculous to mention achondrites. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
