[meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
Dear Steve and List: Excellent question Steve; look at the interesting discussion you started! I would like to mention something specific to this matter: Steve was offering some of the best Park Forest stones available, and probably *the* best small, complete individuals. I know this for a fact because I watched him find most of them (read all about it in the upcoming issue of "Meteorite"). When there is a limited amount of an exciting new meteorite available -- or in this case an exciting, new, unique, American-major-city witnessed fall meteorite, with fireball videos, busted cars and houses, and the whole works to accompany it, collectors are understandably very keen to get some. Those that *must* have a piece, or want to pick from the cream of the crop, will buy early and perhaps pay a premium. Those that gamble and wait may get a lower price later on eBay, when the initial demand has been met (and may be picking from lesser quality specimens as a result), or they could discover that there is none left at all. If you buy early on to ensure that you get a good specimen, there's no use griping later because the price has dropped. Steve, your customer's request is nothing but sour grapes. He was complaining about the price back then, but bought from you anyway. He's still complaining about the price, and now hoping to get a hand out. Don't even think about it. He's lucky to have those stones -- which you found through hard work and skillful strewn field mapping -- and I happen to know that the price he paid was very fair. Similar stones have sold elsewhere for more. BTW, by posting your ethics question to the List, you have covered yourself in the event that this character does have the poor taste to complain about you in public (not that anyone would take him seriously). Your hunting pal, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: dealer refunds
Blimey! What chutzpah!! Of course he can't have his money back! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
Hello Steve, Geoff et al, Anyone that has been in the meteorite business, whether a buyer or seller, knows that a price correction almost always follows the initial offering of a new meteorite. A few days after the Park Forest fall when someone was complaining about what they perceived as inflated prices, several list members, including myself predicted there would be a reduction in price within a month or so. My prediction was really just preaching to a well informed choir - after all, everyone SHOULD know about price changes on a new meteorite. Any dealer (or non-rookie collector) that doesn't have a good grip on this concept is going to have a rocky ride through life. Remember the Christmas season a few years back that some folks just "had to have" the "Tickle me Elmo" doll? They were selling for upwards of $500.00. Six months later they were back at the original retail price of about $30.00. Thank goodness that the majority of people in this business are easy to deal with and are people of integrity. You don't have to be a rocket scientist (or a meteorite scientist) to understand this very elementary business rule. Anyone want my $8.00 per gram Brahin? Best, John At 11:41 AM 6/28/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Steve and List: Excellent question Steve; look at the interesting discussion you started! I would like to mention something specific to this matter: Steve was offering some of the best Park Forest stones available, and probably *the* best small, complete individuals. I know this for a fact because I watched him find most of them (read all about it in the upcoming issue of "Meteorite"). When there is a limited amount of an exciting new meteorite available -- or in this case an exciting, new, unique, American-major-city witnessed fall meteorite, with fireball videos, busted cars and houses, and the whole works to accompany it, collectors are understandably very keen to get some. Those that *must* have a piece, or want to pick from the cream of the crop, will buy early and perhaps pay a premium. Those that gamble and wait may get a lower price later on eBay, when the initial demand has been met (and may be picking from lesser quality specimens as a result), or they could discover that there is none left at all. If you buy early on to ensure that you get a good specimen, there's no use griping later because the price has dropped. Steve, your customer's request is nothing but sour grapes. He was complaining about the price back then, but bought from you anyway. He's still complaining about the price, and now hoping to get a hand out. Don't even think about it. He's lucky to have those stones -- which you found through hard work and skillful strewn field mapping -- and I happen to know that the price he paid was very fair. Similar stones have sold elsewhere for more. BTW, by posting your ethics question to the List, you have covered yourself in the event that this character does have the poor taste to complain about you in public (not that anyone would take him seriously). Your hunting pal, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
Taking a slightly different tack, how about proposing this to the refund-seeking customer: "OK, you're unhappy that the price of this meteorite has fallen since your purchase, so you expect me to financially compensate you. Tell you what.I'll agree to do that. But only if YOU agree to send ME money for any meteorite you bought from me that went UP in value." I'll bet he won't think that to be "fair", although I can't think why not. Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
So, Steve.the question we're ALL naturally wondering about: >From the extant pieces of this jigsaw puzzle, we know that the customer in question is a "pseudo-dealer", and is always complaining when/if the price of meteorites fall. I suspect most listees might be able to think of someone on the list who qualifies on both counts. Despite the lack of class evident from the original refund request, it would also probably be problematic for you to deliberately compromise this person's anonymity.so if you don't post something to tell us we're wrong, we'll assume we're right. ;-) Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
If this "buyer" is a member of the list (A reasonable assumption), I believe he/she should submit a post as to the validity of his/her request. I suspect,though, this person is laying very low- GRANT ELLIOTT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, Steve.the question we're ALL naturally wondering about: > > >From the extant pieces of this jigsaw puzzle, we know that the > customer in question is a "pseudo-dealer", and is always complaining > when/if the price of meteorites fall. I suspect most listees might > be able to think of someone on the list who qualifies on both counts. > Despite the lack of class evident from the original refund request, it > would also probably be problematic for you to deliberately compromise > this person's anonymity.so if you don't post something to tell us > we're wrong, we'll assume we're right.;-) > >Gregory > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
In a message dated 6/28/2003 12:36:37 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << aking a slightly different tack, how about proposing this to the refund-seeking customer: "OK, you're unhappy that the price of this meteorite has fallen since your purchase, so you expect me to financially compensate you. Tell you what.I'll agree to do that. But only if YOU agree to send ME money for any meteorite you bought from me that went UP in value." I'll bet he won't think that to be "fair", although I can't think why not. >> GREGORY and LIST, So, so, true. It really is the resposibility of the buyer to assume some of the responsibility in these transactions. For example, I bought 35grams of Camel Donga from David New about 8 years ago--for about $6.00 a gram. It has appreciated in price and value. Would it be fair for me to send him additional money because it has increased in value? Whether it's coin collecting, purchases in antiques, stamps, etc; sometimes it's just the way of the market. Buy low--sell high. Buy high--sell higher. Buy high--the bottom drops out---that's the breaks. No one forced this individual to make the purchase. I have found that meteorites can have a large flux in pricing--which (has been mentioned) seems to be dictated year in and year out. Steve...it's my opinion that a refund is not due, and would possibly be setting a dangerous precedent in meteorite sales. My two grams worth. Steven L. Sachs / IMCA# 9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > No one forced this individual to make the purchase. > I have found that > meteorites can have a large flux in pricing--which > (has been mentioned) seems to be > dictated year in and year out. Steve...it's my > opinion that a refund is not > due, and would possibly be setting a dangerous > precedent in meteorite sales. > > My two grams worth. > > Steven L. Sachs / IMCA# 9210 Yeah, Like those lawyer commercials. "If you have suffered significant losses in the stock market... (another says mesothelioma )... call the law offices of James L. Sokolove" We don't need that kind of precedent. Steve Schoner/ams > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I have an ethical question I would like to get some feedback on. I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact tha
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
Does the person in question (buyer) wish to present his side of the case on the List? If you can make a compelling case, you may be able to swing opinion, which presently seems to be running strongly against a refund. Myself, I understand that prices fluctuate, and a better (or worse) price may come along at any time. I have overpaid for some of my meteorites, but I still love 'em all, and accept the occasional inflation/deflation as part of the price of this hobby. BTW, 'twarn't me! Are we at #495 or #494 now? :-) Tracy Latimer _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List
[meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds IDENTITY AND DOUBLE GAUL
Hello I have write to this person of the mistake and I have write if no want no pay me the auction and I put the auction on ebay for another time, and I have put, but he have want the same buy the piece and have sent the payment to me. I have take off the piece from ebay and sent to the person.I have not no excuse for this person, I had said him that if did not want did not pay the auction, he wanted the same to pay when was able to refuse itself, ruining the series of positive feedback on my account ebay, I find it extremely inaccurate. I have stop the ID in my bidders on ebay. Regards Matteo --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken, Tom, Matteo & all, > Let me put a bloody end to all this > nonsense, right now. > Matteo, if you hadn't had the GAUL to slam a > good person > yesterday, as per below, I would have kept my bloody > mouth > shut. I quote you as follows from yesterday's post > to the list: > -- > Hello all > I addvise all to stop this ID in your ebay spam > list, > the person in matter buy from me a slice of PF that > came from the close pavement of the fire station in > park forest. By mistake I had written that it came > from the roof of the station, but I said him that it > was able not to buy it and I I replaced it in sale. > The person instead buy the same the piece and put a > negative feedback to me, a behavior from idiotic > truth. Block this person if do not want to have > surprised. > ID: shawomet > -- > Now, as for this buyer whom you claim did > you wrong: > This is a customer of mine, Matteo. He saw the same > post > from me off of which you bought the Park Forrest (at > $25/g, > which is $5/g more than you paid Steve Arnold - it > is > OBVIOUS you are the person who wanted him to refund > your $) > So, this customer contacts me and asks if I > miswrote > in my ad that it fell ACCROSS THE STREET from the > Fire > Station, or did it actually hit the fire station. I > explained it > fell accross the street and that you had a hard time > with > English and perhaps missworded your statement, AS I > HAD > BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH YOU UPON PURCHASE ABOUT THIS > PARTICULAR SPECIMEN, as we exchanged emails until > there > could be NO DOUBT in your mind. > Now, Matteo, you are claiming a VERY > different story > than this customer, who said in attempts to clarify > with > you, you were emphatic about this stone hitting the > fire > station. > Now you email the list bad mouthing him > because he filed > a negative eBay feedback on you. > And you have the astonishingly poor taste to > do this while > the whole list is up in arms about you mewling about > a deal > with Steve Arnold (go ahead, I double dog dare you > to deny > it is you) ABOUT MATERIAL FROM THE SAME FALL!!! > I have long suspected your understanding is > greater than you > let on. I will no longer give you the benefit of > the doubt. Your > credibility is out the window with me. > Like I said, I wouldn't even have commented > on this thread > if you hadn't audaciously bad mouthed "showamet" to > this > list yesterday. When I have something to say to > people, I say it > to their face, but your public slander of this > person's good name > is absolutely amazing and has pushed me over the > edge. > Sincerely, Michael L. Blood > > > > > on 6/28/03 2:30 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Hello List, Ken wrote; > > "we still haven't heard both sides." > > > > That is because there is not an "other side". The > guy is wrong and has no > > leg to stand on! > > Thanks, Tom > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > - Original Message - > > From: Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I was of the opinion tending towards a refund. I > must now admit that in > > this > >> particular case this would not now be my > decision. > >> A dealer should really be "on the ball" with > regards to pricing. > >> Each case must be judged on it's merits, we still > haven't heard both > > sides. > >> Has the other side any merit ? > >> > >> A very interesting thread. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Ken O'Neill > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors
