Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-14 Thread John Gwilliam
At 07:11 PM 7/13/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Steve Schoner:

I hated e-bay when it first started, I hated it when
meteorites started to appear there-- and I hate it
now, with or without the new format.
I will not sell meteorites there, even if it means it
is the last place on earth to sell them.

Gregory wrote:

[snip]And ebay (like it or not) may well be responsible for bringing more 
meteorite-consciousness to the public, and thus producing more collectors 
and enthusiasts, than any other single influence since Dr. Nininger.

   Gregory
Gregory and List,

Ebay may well be the major influencing factor for the drop in prices 
(value) of meteorites as well.  The worldwide market created through Ebay 
for meteorites like Sikhote-Alin in turn stimulated the increased level of 
hunting the strewnfield. The glut of these irons soon followed and the 
short term prices plummeted.  Those folks who stashed away quality 
specimens will see higher prices in the future, but the current market is 
dismal and will be for some time. Brahin and Chinga are a couple of others 
that went the same direction because of bulk listings on Ebay and 
world-wide access on the internet.

Most of us have a love/hate relationship with Ebay.  When I first started 
selling items on Ebay (underwater camera equipment) seven or eight years 
ago, it was a seller's market for sure, with used items often selling for 
more than new retail items.  A few years later when I started selling 
meteorites on Ebay, it was still a sellers market.  Ask dealers like Mike 
Farmer about the terrific prices the sellers were getting on common items 
like Canyon Diablo and Gibeon.  Now, the pendulum has swung the other way 
and it's definitely a buyers market.  Prices have dropped so low on most 
meteorites that dealers have a hard time making even a small profit on 
Ebay.  If you're primarily a collector, this is a good thing, but if your a 
seller, it's very frustrating.

Best,

John



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Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Sharkkb8
 
Steve Schoner:

I hated e-bay when it first started, I hated it when
meteorites started to appear there-- and I hate it
now, with or without the new format.

I will not sell meteorites there, even if it means it
is the last place on earth to sell them.


Certainly everyone's prerogativealthough it seems a bit harsh, to be aimed at a free-and-open international marketplace of meteorites. And ebay (like it or not) may well be responsible for bringing more meteorite-consciousness to the public, and thus producing more collectors and enthusiasts, than any other single influence since Dr. Nininger.

 Gregory


Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Schoner

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Steve Schoner:
 
  I hated e-bay when it first started, I hated it
 when
  meteorites started to appear there-- and I hate it
  now, with or without the new format.
  
  I will not sell meteorites there, even if it means
 it
  is the last place on earth to sell them.
  
 
 Certainly everyone's prerogativealthough it
 seems a bit harsh, to be 
 aimed at a free-and-open international marketplace
 of meteorites.  And ebay (like 
 it or not) may well be responsible for bringing more
 meteorite-consciousness 
 to the public, and thus producing more collectors
 and enthusiasts, than any 
 other single influence since Dr. Nininger.
 
Gregory
 


I have so many reasons to disparage E-bay when it
comes to meteorites that I think it would be redundant
for me to go into it again.  As I remember, years ago,
this was a hot topic on this list.  As I remember, I
preseneted my objections to it then, and don't need to
now.

A search of the archives will reveal my thoughts.  

My thougths have not changed.

And I wonder what Dr. Nininger would have thought.  It
is easy, years after he is gone, to put down what we
would think he would say about E-bay now now.

I have a extreme hatred for E-bay, and its auctions,
and the mentality of it.

Thus I won't sell meteorites there.

Just my personal opinion.

Steve Schoner/ams


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Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Sharkkb8
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have a extreme hatred for E-bay, and its auctions,
and the mentality of it.


 Cool. 

 One of the listees who has responded to me off-list in the last few minutes, said the following (since he emailed me off-list, I will respect his anonymity): 

  Id have to agree with you completely. I never knew meteorites were so readily available til I purchased my first 7 months ago on ebay. I had zero knowlege of them before my first acquisition. After my first purchase my desire to learn more and collect more was incredible. I. did well collecting specimens of the Park Forest fall. Had I not purchased my first meteorite on ebay, I doubt I would have searched or even had the knowlege to search a strewnfield. 

I'll bet Dr. Nininger would have LOVED ebay, if for no other reasons than those expressed above!

 Gregory


Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Schoner

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I have a extreme hatred for E-bay, and its
 auctions,
  and the mentality of it.
  
 
   Cool.   
 
One of the listees who has responded to me
 off-list in the last few 
 minutes, said the following (since he emailed me
 off-list, I will respect his 
 anonymity):  
 
 Id have to agree with you completely. I never
 knew meteorites were so 
 readily available til I purchased my first 7 months
 ago on ebay. I had zero 
 knowlege of them before my first acquisition. After
 my first purchase my desire 
 to learn more and collect more was incredible.
 I. did well collecting 
 specimens of the Park Forest fall.  Had I not
 purchased my first meteorite on 
 ebay, I doubt I would have searched or even had the
 knowlege to search a 
 strewnfield. 
 
 I'll bet Dr. Nininger would have LOVED ebay, if for
 no other reasons than 
 those expressed above!
 
Gregory
 

Hard to say what he would have said, AS HE IS NOT WITH
US.

Easy to bet on the opinion of a person deceased than
on that is alive and able to weigh in.

My opinion remains unchanged.

Steve Schoner





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Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Sharkkb8
 
I'll bet Dr. Nininger would have LOVED ebay, if for
no other reasons than 
those expressed above!

 Gregory


Hard to say what he would have said, AS HE IS NOT WITH
US.


 I think we're all aware of that.


My opinion remains unchanged.

 Don't really think anyone was trying to change your mind. ;-)

 Gregory 


Re: [meteorite-list] item#2183522064: ## BEAUTIFUL IRON METEORITE 843 GRAMM...

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Schoner

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I'll bet Dr. Nininger would have LOVED ebay, if
 for
  no other reasons than 
  those expressed above!
  
  Gregory
  
  
  Hard to say what he would have said, AS HE IS NOT
 WITH
  US.
 
 
 I think we're all aware of that.
 
 
  My opinion remains unchanged.
  
Don't really think anyone was trying to change
 your mind.;-)
 
Gregory 
 


Right,

When it comes to my opinion of E-bay, my mind cannot
be changed.

I made up my mind when E-bay first appeared, and my
opinon today remains the same.

Steve Schoner/ams



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