Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Jeff McNeill
+1

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On 3/8/08, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out
  sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by
  the admins for 18 months[1].

  This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is one of
  the largest contributors to our community. Rather than make sweeping
  assertions and accusations, I'm going to back this post up with hard
  data. Here are the statements that will be addressed:
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Re: [uf-discuss] Some questions about Microformats implementation

2008-01-20 Thread Jeff McNeill
Hello Bruno,

I don't know the MSN syntax, but for other links, you can do things like this:

a class=url href=http://jeffmcneill.com/;home/a | a
class=url href=http://jeffmcneill.com/blog;blog/a | a
class=url href=irc://irc.freenode.net/jeffmcneill,isnickirc/a |
a class=url href=xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]jabber/a | a
class=url href=skype:jeffmcneillskype/a

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On 1/20/08, Bruno Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know. But, by reducing the number of people who check my email, I reduce
 the hate mails.

 One more thing: to add a msn messenger link, I should use
 a class=url
 href=msnim:[EMAIL PROTECTED]texttexttext/a?

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Re: [uf-discuss] marking up initials in names

2007-12-31 Thread Jeff McNeill
Happy holidays,

Why not just mark up the A. in first name and N. in middle name?
Realizing that the full names are not given, initials can be place
holders in the meantime. I believe this is how citation systems
largely use initials.

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On 12/30/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Paul Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

 On Dec 31, 2007 11:38 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I have a need to mark up some people's names, which are given as
  initials only, and where the full names for which those initials stand
  are not known. For example, A. N. Other.
 snip
  In the absence of an initials property, how would you mark up such a
  name, in an hCard?
 
 How would you enter the information into an address book? You would put
 A. N.  as the first name, or even A. for the first name and N. as
 the additional name.

 While one of your two proposals - probably the former - may be the best
 possible solution, given the current hCard spec, I specifically said in
 my full e-mail that it was not known, in this example, whether the
 person's given name was (say) Adrian or Nigel.

 There is no first name attribute in hCard or vCard.

 No other special stuff is required.

 The above issues aside, A is neither a first nor a given name. It's an
 abbreviation for one or other such a name, which remains unknown.
 Indicating that A. N. are initials, and not names, would add semantic
 specificity.

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Re: [uf-discuss] Citation and alternates-brainstorming

2007-12-13 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha Andy, et al,

Use cases for alternates could be as follows:

1. Amazon.com page on a book with alternate versions, e.g.,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0789723107/ref=cm_cr_pr_orig_subj

2. TED.com talks, which include links to mp4, zipped mp4 and itunes,
e.g., http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/51

3. New York Times, which include links to single-page and print
versions of articles, e.g.,
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/business/13fed.html

In particular, I am seeking a solution that can deal with different
filetypes (audio vs. video) as well as content length.

Let me include part of the original post:

There hasn't been much lately regarding the 'alternates'
discussion[1]. It seems that in the HTML spec[2], 'alternate' is meant
as something the user can choose between, i.e., style sheets[3],
and/or something the browser can try and render in a given rank order,
i.e., objects[4]. The suggested use of ol for preference and ul
for no preference is clever[1].

(this example modified from the wiki entry[1])

ol class=alternates
 lia href=example.mp3 rel=enclosure alternate
type=audio/mpegMP3/a/li
 lia href=example.wav rel=enclosure alternate
type=audio/wavWAV/a/li
 lia href=example.mov rel=enclosure alternate
type=video/quicktimeMOV/a/li
/ol

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On 12/12/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Jeff McNeill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

 There hasn't been much lately regarding the 'alternates' discussion
 [...]
 Any thoughts?

 What's the use-case?

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Re: [uf-discuss] Citation and alternates-brainstorming

2007-12-13 Thread Jeff McNeill
Hello Microformaters,

* A user-agent could at the least identify one or more alternate
formats for the current item or a linked item.

* It could also identify the order of preference of alternates.

* This could be used by microformat-aware search to provide search
result links to alternates.

* This could also be used to support mirror lists (instead of
alternate formats, simply alternate locations), this could then be
used by a user agent to download/retrieve by picking from the top of
the preferred list or among a list of non-preferred (unordered)
locations.

* It may be possible for a user-agent to be aware of a format
preference in the case of alternate formats or application support,
such as preference for certain kinds of media readers, e.g., iTunes
itpc:// links vs. mp4 downloads.

Let me know if this answers the question. Not quite sure the
format/content being looked for in terms of user-agent use.

Cheers,

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On 12/13/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, December 13, 2007 09:27, Jeff McNeill wrote:

  Use cases for alternates could be as follows:

 [...]

 Thank you. That explains what alternates are; but not how the proposed
 microformat would be /used/. In other words, what would a user agent *do*
 with them?

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Re: [uf-discuss] Citation and alternates-brainstorming

2007-12-13 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha,

Interesting that alternates was brainstormed in terms of hItem as
mentioned previously in the thread, but also could and perhaps should
initially apply to citation. If I understand the citation discussion
at http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-irc-notes-2006-04-09#Summary
an alternate would be a reference and could therefore be a part of the
citation discussion. I appreciate the comment that description could
be a superset of reference, but need not be determined by the
reference (citation) mf.

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On 12/13/07, Angus McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, December 13, 2007 12:44 pm, Robert O'Rourke wrote:
  Perhaps in the case of a podcast or video blog you could tell your
  feed-reader what format you prefer and it would grab the right file.
  That's one possibility but I don't know of anyone who does
  podcasts/video blogs in multiple formats.

 We do, 'we' being my $DAYJOB at http://blip.tv/.

 I've actually been following this thread with interest because our pages
 currently contain a list of the alternate formats available for any given
 post. Some of our show creators make their episodes available in five or
 six different formats. Take a look, for example, at:

http://blip.tv/file/509978/

 In the bottom-right of that page you'll see a list of the different
 formats available for download. Unless I'm misreading what 'alternates' is
 supposed to be, that's a real-world example where it could be applied and
 - because we're microformats enthusiasts - certainly would be.

 Angus

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[uf-discuss] Citation and alternates-brainstorming

2007-10-26 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha folks,

There hasn't been much lately regarding the 'alternates'
discussion[1]. It seems that in the HTML spec[2], 'alternate' is meant
as something the user can choose between, i.e., style sheets[3],
and/or something the browser can try and render in a given rank order,
i.e., objects[4]. The suggested use of ol for preference and ul
for no preference is clever[1].

(this example modified from the wiki entry[1])

ol class=alternates
  lia href=example.mp3 rel=enclosure alternate
type=audio/mpegMP3/a/li
  lia href=example.wav rel=enclosure alternate
type=audio/wavWAV/a/li
  lia href=example.mov rel=enclosure alternate
type=video/quicktimeMOV/a/li
/ol

Another option may be to try and and bring up alternates to the level
of each being an hentry of an overall hfeed[5]. While that might
provide greater facility to allow for various metadata around a given
alternate (e.g., video vs. audio vs. format size, or even abbreviated
vs. longer versions of content), the simple uses cases may become a
bit stretched.

Any thoughts?

[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/alternates-brainstorming
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/list.html
[3] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/styles.html#didx-style_sheet
[4] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT
[5] http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom

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Re: [uf-discuss] hCite nesting (citation/bibliography/collection/collections)

2007-10-17 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha,

Take for example CiteSeer[1], a collection of the metadata for 767,558
documents. An example metadata page[2] has a number of bibliographies
embedded in it[3], including:

   [A] Documents which cite the current document
   [B] Documents which share citations with the current document
   [C] Documents which are similar based on textual content
   [D] Other documents which are being cited by those citing this
current document (A)
   [E] Citations from the current document, and
   [F] Documents from the same site as the current document

Note that these metadata pages also have ratings (1-5 stars),
summaries, bibTeX entries, and citation statistics.

On the ACM website[4], a given article[5] has a link to 'find similar
articles'[6], which is in essence an annotated bibliography.

It seems that rel (rev being deprecated[7]), with a bit of semantics,
could distinguish the various kinds and instances of citation in a
given document. There seem to be the following:

   [i] works cited
   [ii] works citing
   [iii] works sharing citation
   [iv] works otherwise akin (non-reference-based)

In the case of [D] above, we have a nested relationship of [ii]:[i],
namely the works cited from those works citing this one.

References
[1] http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cs
[2] http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/darken98navigating.html
[3] http://bizseer.ist.psu.edu/help/SMEALSearch-help-documentPage.html
[4] http://www.acm.org/
[5] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1284621.1284635
[6] http://tinyurl.com/2fhax5
[7] http://microformats.org/wiki/rev#Should_rev_even_be_used

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On 10/14/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jeff McNeill wrote:
  Question: is there a set of semantic
  containers that could identify a bibliography within a given document,
  as well as a collection of bibliographies across documents?

 What's wrong with...

 ul class=bibliography/a

 link href=foobar rel=bibliography (from each document in the
 collection)

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[uf-discuss] hCite intra-document reference

2007-10-14 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha microformaters,

Within given documents, especially academic journals articles, but
also widely used in books, there are citations 'in-line', such as APA
format (Author, YEAR), which are intra-document references to a more
complete bibliography/references, at the end of articles, chapters,
books, or proceedings. (Sometimes references are referred to by a
footnote.) Would it be plausible to use an include pattern[1] to
provide in-line citation and more complete citation/bibliographic
reference? This would also support the wikiref template for
mediawiki[2].

[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikiref

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[uf-discuss] hCite nesting (citation/bibliography/collection/collections)

2007-10-14 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha microformaters,

Individual citations are often collected within a document as a
bibliography (references). Bibliographies from the
library/institutional perspective are organized in collections (either
the references or the actual items referenced. Another example of
collections of references would be the references across a number of
papers, collected as a group. Question: is there a set of semantic
containers that could identify a bibliography within a given document,
as well as a collection of bibliographies across documents?

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Re: [uf-discuss] hResume use of hCalendar and 'summary' element requirement of vevents

2007-10-12 Thread Jeff McNeill
Why, um, that is an excellent idea. **smacks head with microformats
book** Thank you Brian.

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On 10/11/07, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/11/07, Jeff McNeill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Aloha folks,
 
  My hResume marked-up resume at
  http://jeffmcneill.com/microformats/hresume-jeffmcneill.html is
  getting validation errors in Operator because I do not have a
  'summary' element for the education and service list items. I am using
  the abr class='title' markup to identify titles and an additional
  'summary' would be redundant or unnecessary in terms of information
  provided.

 --- why not use title and summary on the same element? like this:
 li class=vevent education
 span class=title summaryPhD, Communication amp; Information 
 Sciences/span
 span class=vcard
 a class=fn org url href=http://www.hawaii.edu/;University of
 Hawaii at Manoa/a,
 /span
 abbr class=dtstart title=200806012008/abbr
 /li


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[uf-discuss] hResume use of hCalendar and 'summary' element requirement of vevents

2007-10-11 Thread Jeff McNeill
Aloha folks,

My hResume marked-up resume at
http://jeffmcneill.com/microformats/hresume-jeffmcneill.html is
getting validation errors in Operator because I do not have a
'summary' element for the education and service list items. I am using
the abr class='title' markup to identify titles and an additional
'summary' would be redundant or unnecessary in terms of information
provided.

I read in a previous discussion somewhere that 'summary' is not
officially required by the iCalendar spec. Would this be a case when
it could be disregarded, or is it possible to make it optional as part
of hCalendar?

Or is there a suggested way of nesting the markup to prevent redundancy?

(I would like to point out that in the Allsopp Microformats book on p.
215 there is precisely the 'summary' element missing in the 'vevent
education' example in the second list item.)

I would be grateful for any thoughts on this.

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