Next great toy like Zaurus with OpenBSD?
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Re: small pc recommendation
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 02:03:03PM -0700, xSAPPYx wrote: I have a couple jetway mini-itx boxen I like. There are daughter boards for these guys, I put a 3x10/100/1000 card in there for 4 nics total. Boards: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/VIA.html no one needs DVI and sound on a router board!
Re: Problems with apache vhosts
Thanks for the fast vhost-fix. I rebuilded my system some minutes ago and now it works perfectly without any error-messages. $ sudo apachectl start /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd started Greetings Christian Ruesch
Re: openbsd multiboot
Op 21/05/2008 om 01:10:05 +0300, schreef Imre Oolberg : Some time ago i did experiment with dual-booting (actually multi-booting) from one harddisk several OpenBSD instances, for the sake of fun. I settled to using dualboot OpenBSD to make upgrades more suitable for me (just unpacking new distribution's file sets under /mnt mounted empty partition and rebooting). Right, that's what I am aiming at. But as i see it there is to ways of having multiple root i.e. a partitions on one physical harddisk 1. Use only one fdisk partition and in it one OpenBSD root is normal a partition and another is in the same disklabel, say g. And so for example in this disklabel a, d, e, f partitions belong to one instance and g is another (consisting of one filesystem). Two instances share only swap partition. To select between them you need to say at boot prompt boot boot hd0a:/bsd or boot boot hd0g:/bsd 2. Use severaly fdisk partitions, each has its own disklabel and this disklabel is dedicated to one OpenBSD instance. OpenBSD bootloader is on To select between instances you need to use grub bootloader from binary packages # pkg_add grub Ah, good OLD grub to the rescue. Thanks, I was staring at openbsd's boot, but it doesn't seem to have the configurability that e.g. grub has. It goes like this that grub's first stage is in the harddisk's MBR and openbsd bootloader's first stage is installed into each fdisk partition, i.e. you use chainloading. See also /usr/local/share/doc/grub/README.OpenBSD /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst Essential is to understand that OpenBSD uses first fdisk's OpenBSD A6 disklabel it sees. Thats why grub fiddles with them. I am now totally confused about openbsd disk device naming schema. As I now see it /dev/wd0a refers tho the first ide disk with id 6B (OpenBSD), label a. As it is the one elected by boot to be the rootfs. It would make more sense to me to have en naming schema, which refers to wd$idedisk$partition$label Now, how can I mount, let's say, the fourth partition, on which I only want menu.lst to reside on. this can bee a tiny filesystem, with no OS. So I can mkfs /dev/$whatever mount /dev/$whatever /grub cp /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst /grub and move on. Leo Baltus wrote: I would like to have more than one openbsd root filesystem on my hardrive. Could somebody please explain how to go about this? In a linux environment I could set up 2 lv's and point to each of them by kernel commandlines. Using openbsd I could use multiple bios-partitions each having an a: label but how do I tel the bootloader to use a specific partition? Maybe there is a way I didn't think of, please let me know. -- Leo Baltus
Re: No 4.2 or 4.3 Love
dontek wrote: The last version of OpenBSD I have been able to install on my Compaq Prolient DL360 G2 is 4.1. In all cases I am attempting to boot and install using the i386 cd4x.iso. In both cases of attempting to install 4.2 and 4.3, the installer hard-locks at the end of the dmesg. No keyboard input is possible after the lock-up. I have OpenBSD 4.2 and 4.3 on several DL360 G2s. Maybe there's a compatability problem between your media and the drive? Make sure your mainboard and controller firmware are up-to-date and try playing with the OS Type setting in BIOS, and/or APIC settings if they exist.
Re: No 4.2 or 4.3 Love
Dontek, You really need to go download, burn, and install the latest Firmware ISO (8.00) from the HP site. There are major updates provided there for multiple system components due to HP _really_ messing up on supplying decent firmware for their server platforms. Thankfully HP puts it all on one CD. Mitch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Shockley Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:05 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: No 4.2 or 4.3 Love dontek wrote: The last version of OpenBSD I have been able to install on my Compaq Prolient DL360 G2 is 4.1. In all cases I am attempting to boot and install using the i386 cd4x.iso. In both cases of attempting to install 4.2 and 4.3, the installer hard-locks at the end of the dmesg. No keyboard input is possible after the lock-up. I have OpenBSD 4.2 and 4.3 on several DL360 G2s. Maybe there's a compatability problem between your media and the drive? Make sure your mainboard and controller firmware are up-to-date and try playing with the OS Type setting in BIOS, and/or APIC settings if they exist.
Re: openbsd multiboot
You may also want to have a look at GAG. I use it to dualboot OpenBSD and Windows. Not sure if it will work with two OpenBSD's or not but it's very fast and easy to use. Even booting it just off the floppy disk is super fast! I will be looking at having a -current and -stable box when I have some time. The GAG page: http://gag.sourceforge.net/ Chris Bennett Leo Baltus wrote: Op 21/05/2008 om 01:10:05 +0300, schreef Imre Oolberg : Some time ago i did experiment with dual-booting (actually multi-booting) from one harddisk several OpenBSD instances, for the sake of fun. I settled to using dualboot OpenBSD to make upgrades more suitable for me (just unpacking new distribution's file sets under /mnt mounted empty partition and rebooting). Right, that's what I am aiming at. But as i see it there is to ways of having multiple root i.e. a partitions on one physical harddisk 1. Use only one fdisk partition and in it one OpenBSD root is normal a partition and another is in the same disklabel, say g. And so for example in this disklabel a, d, e, f partitions belong to one instance and g is another (consisting of one filesystem). Two instances share only swap partition. To select between them you need to say at boot prompt boot boot hd0a:/bsd or boot boot hd0g:/bsd 2. Use severaly fdisk partitions, each has its own disklabel and this disklabel is dedicated to one OpenBSD instance. OpenBSD bootloader is on To select between instances you need to use grub bootloader from binary packages # pkg_add grub Ah, good OLD grub to the rescue. Thanks, I was staring at openbsd's boot, but it doesn't seem to have the configurability that e.g. grub has. It goes like this that grub's first stage is in the harddisk's MBR and openbsd bootloader's first stage is installed into each fdisk partition, i.e. you use chainloading. See also /usr/local/share/doc/grub/README.OpenBSD /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst Essential is to understand that OpenBSD uses first fdisk's OpenBSD A6 disklabel it sees. Thats why grub fiddles with them. I am now totally confused about openbsd disk device naming schema. As I now see it /dev/wd0a refers tho the first ide disk with id 6B (OpenBSD), label a. As it is the one elected by boot to be the rootfs. It would make more sense to me to have en naming schema, which refers to wd$idedisk$partition$label Now, how can I mount, let's say, the fourth partition, on which I only want menu.lst to reside on. this can bee a tiny filesystem, with no OS. So I can mkfs /dev/$whatever mount /dev/$whatever /grub cp /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst /grub and move on. Leo Baltus wrote: I would like to have more than one openbsd root filesystem on my hardrive. Could somebody please explain how to go about this? In a linux environment I could set up 2 lv's and point to each of them by kernel commandlines. Using openbsd I could use multiple bios-partitions each having an a: label but how do I tel the bootloader to use a specific partition? Maybe there is a way I didn't think of, please let me know.
Re: openbsd multiboot
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Leo Baltus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 21/05/2008 om 01:10:05 +0300, schreef Imre Oolberg : Some time ago i did experiment with dual-booting (actually multi-booting) from one harddisk several OpenBSD instances, for the sake of fun. I settled to using dualboot OpenBSD to make upgrades more suitable for me (just unpacking new distribution's file sets under /mnt mounted empty partition and rebooting). Right, that's what I am aiming at. But as i see it there is to ways of having multiple root i.e. a partitions on one physical harddisk 1. Use only one fdisk partition and in it one OpenBSD root is normal a partition and another is in the same disklabel, say g. And so for example in this disklabel a, d, e, f partitions belong to one instance and g is another (consisting of one filesystem). Two instances share only swap partition. To select between them you need to say at boot prompt boot boot hd0a:/bsd or boot boot hd0g:/bsd 2. Use severaly fdisk partitions, each has its own disklabel and this disklabel is dedicated to one OpenBSD instance. OpenBSD bootloader is on To select between instances you need to use grub bootloader from binary packages # pkg_add grub Ah, good OLD grub to the rescue. Thanks, I was staring at openbsd's boot, but it doesn't seem to have the configurability that e.g. grub has. It goes like this that grub's first stage is in the harddisk's MBR and openbsd bootloader's first stage is installed into each fdisk partition, i.e. you use chainloading. See also /usr/local/share/doc/grub/README.OpenBSD /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst Essential is to understand that OpenBSD uses first fdisk's OpenBSD A6 disklabel it sees. Thats why grub fiddles with them. I am now totally confused about openbsd disk device naming schema. As I now see it /dev/wd0a refers tho the first ide disk with id 6B (OpenBSD), label a. As it is the one elected by boot to be the rootfs. It would make more sense to me to have en naming schema, which refers to wd$idedisk$partition$label Now, how can I mount, let's say, the fourth partition, on which I only want menu.lst to reside on. this can bee a tiny filesystem, with no OS. So I can mkfs /dev/$whatever mount /dev/$whatever /grub cp /usr/local/share/examples/grub/menu.lst /grub and move on. Leo Baltus wrote: I would like to have more than one openbsd root filesystem on my hardrive. Could somebody please explain how to go about this? In a linux environment I could set up 2 lv's and point to each of them by kernel commandlines. Using openbsd I could use multiple bios-partitions each having an a: label but how do I tel the bootloader to use a specific partition? Maybe there is a way I didn't think of, please let me know. -- Leo Baltus Have you also considered http://gag.sourceforge.net ? Worth a look at and very simple to setup/configure/use with almost any number of OS's in a multiboot scenario. Just my $0.02.
Re: openbsd multiboot
On Wed, 21 May 2008, Chris Bennett wrote: You may also want to have a look at GAG. I use it to dualboot OpenBSD and Windows. Not sure if it will work with two OpenBSD's or not but it's very fast and easy to use. Even booting it just off the floppy disk is super fast! I will be looking at having a -current and -stable box when I have some time. The GAG page: http://gag.sourceforge.net/ I am dual booting two OpenBSD installations from two different HDDs via GAG. One i386 and one amd64. They share the /usr/src and /usr/ports partitions so I don't have to update the sources twice. Kind regards, Markus
Re: Lastet supported jdk on OpenBSD
Does it mean web browser plugin availability too? On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 09:03:17PM -0300, John Nietzsche wrote: i would like to add support for java on my 4.3 openbsd desktop. Has anybody already done so? May you point a url where i could download the package(s) from? As the previous posters have pointed out, there are no JDK binary packages available for OpenBSD 4.3--you have to fetch and build the JDK from source yourself. But in OpenBSD 4.4 (which will be released in November), that situation will change, and binary packages for Java will be available. See http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20080321023803
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Next great toy like Zaurus with OpenBSD?
2008/5/21 Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2846711250.html This thing really just sounds like a EEE clone, but with much reduced power, and not that much cheaper for what is in it. -- Mark Mathias
separating normal ssh logins from authpf logins
Hi, I got 4.2 running as an 3-legged internet gateway/nat system. It provides net access for both a wired subnet and a wireless subnet. Wireless access is secured with authpf. I want to completely separate management for normal logins and for authpf logins. This applies in the context of both external and internal logins. I want the internal users to remain so. Even though nothing would work if they did make a login attempt but it seems very messy to me. Is running two instances of sshd the only solution or am I totally confused? /juan
Re: openbsd multiboot
I've been setting up multi-boot (OpenBSD/OSX/Kubuntu) for someone else's Intel MacMini. The place where I needed to pay extra attention was making sure that OpenBSD ended up in a primary partition. That seems a bit difficult to ensure with OS X's diskutility program (which on 10.5 gives you one shot only, once you install the system the partitions cannot be changed - at least with the version of OS X I have). I'm not entirely familiar with GPT v MBR. Nor with ReFit. Dual-boot OSX / OpenBSD seems to work just fine with ReFit. So far, when going for triple-boot, I need to chain load OpenBSD via grub like this: title OpenBSD root(hd0,2) makeactive chainloader +1 Regards -Lars
Re: openbsd multiboot
Hi, interesting, I have been 1ng all day around this... My problem is following: I want to have grub silent. I don't mean hide menu but do not display any kind of message whatsoever When hidding menu, you still get a GRUB loading... message, which I would like to get rid of I have: windows (5G), linux(idem) and obsd (50GB) Does anybody know how to do this? 2008/5/21 Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been setting up multi-boot (OpenBSD/OSX/Kubuntu) for someone else's Intel MacMini. The place where I needed to pay extra attention was making sure that OpenBSD ended up in a primary partition. That seems a bit difficult to ensure with OS X's diskutility program (which on 10.5 gives you one shot only, once you install the system the partitions cannot be changed - at least with the version of OS X I have). I'm not entirely familiar with GPT v MBR. Nor with ReFit. Dual-boot OSX / OpenBSD seems to work just fine with ReFit. So far, when going for triple-boot, I need to chain load OpenBSD via grub like this: title OpenBSD root(hd0,2) makeactive chainloader +1 Regards -Lars
Re: openbsd multiboot
Pau wrote: ... I want to have grub silent. I don't mean hide menu but do not display any kind of message whatsoever Maybe use --silent ? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#terminal Regards, -Lars
Unbound: a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver
I just read about this project, might be of interest: http://unbound.net/ It's developed by Kirei, NLnet Labs, Nominet, and VeriSign; and released under a permissive free software license: http://unbound.net/svn/trunk/LICENSE I read about it at: http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/21/0153201.shtml Original source for the article: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/052008-open-source-dns-server.html Greetings.
Re: Unbound: a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 02:09:23PM -0300, Andr'es wrote:
I just read about this project, might be of interest:
http://unbound.net/
It's developed by Kirei, NLnet Labs, Nominet, and VeriSign; and
released under a permissive free software license:
http://unbound.net/svn/trunk/LICENSE
I read about it at:
http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/21/0153201.shtml
Original source for the article:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/052008-open-source-dns-server.html
And jakob@ has already made a draft port[0] available. There's still
time to follow up on ports@ with test results.
[0] http://www.schlyter.se/jakob/openbsd/unbound.tar.gz
http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=openbsd-portsa=2008-05m=7431665
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Re: Unbound: a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 02:09:23PM -0300, Andr?s wrote: I just read about this project, might be of interest: http://unbound.net/ You forgot a link: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=121131428431723w=2
Re: Unbound: a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 02:09:23PM -0300, Andris wrote: I just read about this project, might be of interest: http://unbound.net/ Hi. Yeah and a port for unbound is just in progress ;) http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm1131428431723w=2 So long, Andreas. -- Windows 95: A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition.
Re: Next great toy like Zaurus with OpenBSD?
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 14:53:36 Mark Mathias wrote: 2008/5/21 Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2846711250.html This thing really just sounds like a EEE clone, but with much reduced power, and not that much cheaper for what is in it. And it appears they run Linux or Windows CE and other OS's are not mentioned.
Re: Next great toy like Zaurus with OpenBSD?
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 14:53:36 Mark Mathias wrote: 2008/5/21 Tomas Bodzar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2846711250.html This thing really just sounds like a EEE clone, but with much reduced power, and not that much cheaper for what is in it. And it appears they run Linux or Windows CE and other OS's are not mentioned. when researching new hardware, i try get a dmesg from linux and see what's inside. usually (always?) there's someone much more adventurous than me who's already got one and has tried to run netbsd or ubuntu on it. this machine could be just a small, boring pee-cee with a standard bios in which case pretty much any x86 OS should run, rather than needing crazy workarounds (i'm lookin' at you, MBP). CK -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
more pci ids
Found in a Dell T300, verified through pciids.sourceforge.net Mitja === RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/pcidevs,v retrieving revision 1.1360 diff -u -r1.1360 pcidevs --- pcidevs 20 May 2008 08:23:18 - 1.1360 +++ pcidevs 21 May 2008 18:32:37 - @@ -2441,6 +2441,22 @@ product INTEL TURBO_MEMORY 0x444e Turbo Memory product INTEL 80960RD 0x5200 i960 RD PCI-PCI product INTEL PRO_100_SERVER 0x5201 PRO 100 Server +product INTEL 5100_HB 0x65c0 5100 Host +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_2 0x65e2 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_3 0x65e3 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_4 0x65e4 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_5 0x65e5 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_6 0x65e6 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_7 0x65e7 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_FSB 0x65f0 5100 FSB +product INTEL 5100_RESERVED_1 0x65f1 5100 Reserved +product INTEL 5100_RESERVED_2 0x65f3 5100 Reserved +product INTEL 5100_DDR 0x65f5 5100 DDR +product INTEL 5100_DDR2 0x65f6 5100 DDR +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_23 0x65f7 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_45 0x65f8 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_67 0x65f9 5100 PCIE +product INTEL 5100_PCIE_47 0x65fa 5100 PCIE product INTEL IOAT_SCNB0x65ff I/OAT SCNB product INTEL 82371SB_ISA 0x7000 82371SB ISA product INTEL 82371SB_IDE 0x7010 82371SB IDE Before: pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65c0 rev 0x90 ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f7 rev 0x90: apic 4 int 16 (irq 0) ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65e3 rev 0x90 ppb2 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65e4 rev 0x90: apic 4 int 16 (irq 0) ppb3 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65e5 rev 0x90: apic 4 int 16 (irq 0) ppb4 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f9 rev 0x90: apic 4 int 16 (irq 0) ppb5 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65e7 rev 0x90 pchb1 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f0 rev 0x90 pchb2 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f0 rev 0x90 pchb3 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f0 rev 0x90 pchb4 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f1 rev 0x90 pchb5 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f3 rev 0x90 pchb6 at pci0 dev 21 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f5 rev 0x90 pchb7 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 vendor Intel, unknown product 0x65f6 rev 0x90 After: pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 5100 Host rev 0x90 ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 ppb2 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 ppb3 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 ppb4 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 ppb5 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Intel 5100 PCIE rev 0x90 pchb1 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 Intel 5100 FSB rev 0x90 pchb2 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 Intel 5100 FSB rev 0x90 pchb3 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 Intel 5100 FSB rev 0x90 pchb4 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 Intel 5100 Reserved rev 0x90 pchb5 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 Intel 5100 Reserved rev 0x90 pchb6 at pci0 dev 21 function 0 Intel 5100 DDR rev 0x90 pchb7 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 Intel 5100 DDR rev 0x90
Decipering Understanding IP addressing
In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading Understanding IP addressing: http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? For example, on page 3: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? On page 11: The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will need to round up to 24 (or 16). 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks like alternative prefix lengths for class A or B networks, but I don't get 23 or 8. Kendall
dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
Hi Misc@, Just update the kernel and userland from openbsd.de, and got the following message.. myNiceMachine# dhcpd rl0 dhcpd: Can't find service dhcpd-sync in /etc/services Anybody can point me where to go? Best Regards and Thanks, -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? Typesetting error. That should be 2^32 or 2**32 or pow(2, 32) or 2super32/32 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks More typesetting problems. 2^3 = 2*2*2 = 8 -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 232 what? 2^32 -- For far too long, power has been concentrated in the hands of root and his wheel oligarchy. We have instituted a dictatorship of the users. All system administration functions will be handled by the People's Committee for Democratically Organizing the System (PC-DOS).
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
At 12:36 PM 5/21/2008 -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: For example, on page 3: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? It should read: 2^32(to the 32rd power) Could be an issue with special characters in your browser. On page 11: The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will need to round up to 24 (or 16). 23 or 8 what? Bits? 23 = CIDR notation, .. i.e. 32 bits - 23 bits for the network = 8 for the subnet Written as: n.n.n.n/23 Lee
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 03:07:23PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: 23 or 8 what? Bits? 23 = CIDR notation, .. i.e. 32 bits - 23 bits for the network = 8 for the subnet Written as: n.n.n.n/23 You should work on your mathskills a bit, Lee ;) Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, 21 May 2008, Kendall Shaw wrote: In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading Understanding IP addressing: http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? For example, on page 3: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? On page 11: The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will need to round up to 24 (or 16). 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks like alternative prefix lengths for class A or B networks, but I don't get 23 or 8. Somewhere along the line the exponentiation operator (^) has been dropped from the text. 232 should be 2^32, 23 should be 2^3, 24 should be 2^4, etc. Dave -- Dave Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
Looks like the exponentiation operator got eaten up somewhere. 2 to the 32nd power (2^32) is 4,294,967,296. 2^3 == 8. HTH, Jose. Kendall Shaw wrote: In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading Understanding IP addressing: http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? For example, on page 3: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? On page 11: The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will need to round up to 24 (or 16). 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks like alternative prefix lengths for class A or B networks, but I don't get 23 or 8. Kendall
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36:05PM -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: | In the networking section of the OpenBSD FAQ it suggests reading | Understanding IP addressing: | | http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf | | I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 | numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they | are saying? | | For example, on page 3: | | IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are | only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. | | 232 what? That is '2^32', the 32 are probably superscripted. It means two to the power of thirty-two which turns out to be a bit more than 4 billion. | On page 11: | | The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of | subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, | if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide | enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will | need to round up to 24 (or 16). | | 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks | like alternative prefix lengths for class A or B networks, but I don't | get 23 or 8. Again, 2^3 and 2^4 which work out to 8 and 16 respectively. Again, the exponents are probably superscripted. Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:07:40 +0700, Kenneth R Westerback [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all righty... On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 02:42:10AM +0700, Insan Praja SW wrote: Hi Misc@, Just update the kernel and userland from openbsd.de, and got the following message.. myNiceMachine# dhcpd rl0 dhcpd: Can't find service dhcpd-sync in /etc/services Anybody can point me where to go? Best Regards and Thanks, -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom Update your /etc/services from -current sources or a snapshot. Ken -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? Sounds like the superscript notation for exponentiation was lost somewhere along the line. If we instead use 'x^y' to represent x to the y'th power, then that text should have ended with something like e.g., 2 (2^1) or 2^32 (4,294,967,296). IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? That should be 2^32 too On page 11: The first step in the planning process is to take the maximum number of subnets required and round up to the nearest power of two. For example, if an organization needs nine subnets, 23 (or 8) will not provide enough subnet addressing space, so the network administrator will need to round up to 24 (or 16). 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks like alternative prefix lengths for class A or B networks, but I don't get 23 or 8. 2^3 = 8 2^4 = 16 Philip Guenther
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:46 -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? Typesetting error. That should be 2^32 or 2**32 or pow(2, 32) or 2super32/32 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks More typesetting problems. 2^3 = 2*2*2 = 8 Thanks everyone. How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed by a 24-bit host number... A maximum of 126 (27 -2) /8 networks can be defined. The calculation subtracts two because the /8 network 0.0.0.0 is reserved for use as the default route and the /8 network 127.0.0.0 12^6? Is 27 - 2 supposed to be 128 - 2? Kendall
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:10:56PM -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: | Thanks everyone. | | How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: | | Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the | highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed | by a 24-bit host number... | | A maximum of 126 (27 -2) /8 networks can be defined. The calculation | subtracts two because the /8 network 0.0.0.0 is reserved for use as the | default route and the /8 network 127.0.0.0 | | 12^6? Is 27 - 2 supposed to be 128 - 2? Yes. Again, missing the superscripting, 2^7 = 128. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:10 -0700, Kendall Shaw wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:46 -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IPv4 defines a 32-bit address which means that there are only 232 (4,294,967,296) IPv4 addresses available. 232 what? Typesetting error. That should be 2^32 or 2**32 or pow(2, 32) or 2super32/32 23 or 8 what? Bits? What are 23 and 8 alternatives of? 24 or 16 looks More typesetting problems. 2^3 = 2*2*2 = 8 Thanks everyone. How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed by a 24-bit host number... A maximum of 126 (27 -2) /8 networks can be defined. The calculation subtracts two because the /8 network 0.0.0.0 is reserved for use as the default route and the /8 network 127.0.0.0 12^6? Is 27 - 2 supposed to be 128 - 2? Oh, same thing 2^7 - 2 = 126. Never mind.
Re: dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
I'd say read the error a couple of times. DHCPD can't find the definition of dhcpd-sync in /etc/services. To see if there's a newer version of this file, you can check cvsweb (http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/services) and patch it in yourself or use the shiny new sysmerge.sh to merge it from a snapshot tarball... On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Insan Praja SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Misc@, Just update the kernel and userland from openbsd.de, and got the following message.. myNiceMachine# dhcpd rl0 dhcpd: Can't find service dhcpd-sync in /etc/services Anybody can point me where to go? Best Regards and Thanks, -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: openbsd multiboot
nope... nor terminal --silent neither terminal --silent console I hate gnu I'll play around with installboot and creating a small partition at the very beginning of the drive and moving grub around and and and... wish me luck 2008/5/21 Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pau wrote: ... I want to have grub silent. I don't mean hide menu but do not display any kind of message whatsoever Maybe use --silent ? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#terminal Regards, -Lars
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. How about this then from page 4, about class A networks: Each Class A network address has an 8-bit network prefix, with the highest order bit set to 0 (zero) and a 7-bit network number, followed by a 24-bit host number... A maximum of 126 (27 -2) /8 networks can be defined. The calculation subtracts two because the /8 network 0.0.0.0 is reserved for use as the default route and the /8 network 127.0.0.0 12^6? Is 27 - 2 supposed to be 128 - 2? after a while of hanging around networks you'll learn to recognize magic numbers and give them some particular context. in this case the transliteration is 126 (2^7 - 2) which is where you get 128 - 2, or 126 from... -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:16:56 +0700, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sysmerge.. shiny... me likey.. Thanks Chris and Misc@ Insan I'd say read the error a couple of times. DHCPD can't find the definition of dhcpd-sync in /etc/services. To see if there's a newer version of this file, you can check cvsweb (http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/services) and patch it in yourself or use the shiny new sysmerge.sh to merge it from a snapshot tarball... On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Insan Praja SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Misc@, Just update the kernel and userland from openbsd.de, and got the following message.. myNiceMachine# dhcpd rl0 dhcpd: Can't find service dhcpd-sync in /etc/services Anybody can point me where to go? Best Regards and Thanks, -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom -- insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom
taskjuggler problems
Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong or missing here? TaskJugglerUI works properly on stock OpenBSD 4.1 and 4.2 but it fails on OpenBSD 4.3. Thanks very much, the fate of the universe depends on this package working properly :) -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: TaskJugglerUI core dumps with undefined symbol 'pthread_mutexattr_init' Date: May 19, 2008 From: Vijay Sankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On OpenBSD 4.3 (i386) I am not able to run TaskJugglerUI 2.3.1p2. My previous OpenBSD 4.1 and 4.2 desktops had TaskJuggler 2.3.1 and it worked without any problems. TaskJugglerUI:/usr/local/lib/libqt-mt.so.31.1: undefined symbol 'pthread_mutexattr_init' lazy binding failed! Segmentation fault (core dumped) I tried ldconfig -R but no success. How do I troubleshoot this? No one else seems to have had this problem based on Google and mailing lists so not sure whether this is unique to 2.3.1p2 or something is missing in my installation. Packages I have installed on this box and the dmesg are below: PKG_INFO pkg_info -A GeoIP-1.4.4 find the country where IP address/hostname originates from ImageMagick-6.3.6.10 image processing tools OpenEXR-1.2.2p3 high dynamic range image format arts-1.5.8 K Desktop Environment, aRTs aspell-0.50.5p4 spell checker designed to eventually replace Ispell atk-1.20.0p0accessibility toolkit used by gtk+ bzip2-1.0.4 block-sorting file compressor, unencumbered cairo-1.4.14vector graphics library classpath-0.91p0essential libraries for java cups-1.2.7p9Common Unix Printing System curl-7.17.1 get files from FTP, Gopher, HTTP or HTTPS servers cyrus-sasl-2.1.22p2 RFC SASL (Simple Authentication and Security Layer) db-4.6.21 Berkeley DB package, revision 4 db-java-4.6.21p0Java bindings for Berkeley DB, revision 4 dbus-1.0.2p2message system desktop-file-utils-0.14p1 utilities for 'desktop' entries ecoliercourt-fonts-0.1 dip pen style TTF fonts enscript-1.6.3p1convert ASCII files to PostScript esound-0.2.34p1v0 sound library for Enlightenment fam-2.7.0p3 File Alteration Monitor foomatic-filters-3.0.2p1 Foomatic PPD print filters gettext-0.16.1 GNU gettext ghostscript-8.60GNU PostScript interpreter ghostscript-fonts-8.11p0 35 standard PostScript fonts with Adobe name aliases glib-1.2.10p2 useful routines for C programming glib2-2.14.5general-purpose utility library glitz-0.5.6p0 OpenGL image compositing library gnokii-0.6.14p6 tools to talk to GSM cellular phones gnupg-1.4.8 GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement gpgme-1.1.5 GnuPG Made Easy gtk+2-2.12.7multi-platform graphical toolkit hicolor-icon-theme-0.10p1 high-color icon theme shell for GNOME and KDE ijs-0.35raster image transmission library jamvm-1.4.3p1 free, standards-compilant jvm with a small footprint jasper-1.900.1 reference implementation of JPEG-2000 javaPathHelper-0.3 helper script for launching java applications jbigkit-1.6p1 lossless image compression library jpeg-6bp3 IJG's JPEG compression utilities kdebase-3.5.8p1 K Desktop Environment, basic applications kdelibs-3.5.8p3 K Desktop Environment, libraries kdepim-3.5.8p0 KDE personal information applications lcms-1.15 color management library libart-2.3.20 high-performance 2D graphics library libaudiofile-0.2.6p0 SGI audiofile library clone liberation-fonts-0.2p0 substitute for MS TTF core fonts libgcrypt-1.2.4 crypto library based on code used in GnuPG libgpg-error-1.5error codes for GnuPG related software libgsf-1.14.3p4 GNOME Structured File library libiconv-1.9.2p5character set conversion library libidn-1.1 internationalized string handling libmad-0.15.1bp1high-quality MPEG audio decoder libmal-0.44 MAL convenience library libmng-1.0.9p1 Multiple-image Network Graphics (MNG) reference library libogg-1.1.3Ogg bitstream library libusb-0.1.12 USB access library libvorbis-1.2.0 audio compression codec library libwmf-0.2.8.3p3WMF handling and conversion library libwpd-0.8.9p0 import and export WordPerfect(tm) documents libxml-2.6.30 XML parsing library libxslt-1.1.22 XSLT C Library for GNOME neon-0.26.2 HTTP and WebDAV client library, with C interface netpbm-10.26.46 toolkit for converting images between different formats openldap-client-2.3.39 Open source LDAP software (client) openmotif-2.3.0p0 Motif toolkit openoffice-2.3.1p0 multi-platform productivity suite openoffice-java-2.3.1 optional integration of OpenOffice java features openoffice-kde-2.3.1 optional integration of OpenOffice to the KDE environment pango-1.18.4library for layout and rendering of text pcre-7.6perl-compatible regular expression library pilot-link-0.12.3 tools to connect your PalmOS. compatible handheld
Re: dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
On 5/21/08, Insan Praja SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Misc@, Just update the kernel and userland from openbsd.de, and got the following message.. myNiceMachine# dhcpd rl0 dhcpd: Can't find service dhcpd-sync in /etc/services Anybody can point me where to go? Best Regards and Thanks, sysmerge(8) -Mark
Re: dhcpd-sync not in /etc/services
On 2008-05-21, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say read the error a couple of times. DHCPD can't find the definition of dhcpd-sync in /etc/services. To see if there's a newer version of this file, you can check cvsweb (http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/services) and patch it in yourself or use the shiny new sysmerge.sh to merge it from a snapshot tarball... While you're there, do /etc/magic too.
Re: Problems with apache vhosts
Taleon wrote: Thanks for the fast vhost-fix. I rebuilded my system some minutes ago and now it works perfectly without any error-messages. It is very important that the IPv6 additions do not break existing IPv4 installations. People should really look out for IPv4 breakage. Thanks for your feedback.
Re: separating normal ssh logins from authpf logins
If I am not misreading your question, Few things which I can think of are: 1. For regular logins, shell in /etc/passwd will be regular shell while for authpf users, /usr/sbin/authpf 2. See login.conf man page. Having a separate login class for authpf and regular users will give good control on what they can do 3. Separate small partition for regular remote users with noexec mount flag in /etc/fstab helps security 4. Seperate groups for each class of users coupled with dir and file system permissions helps security 5. In case some users only do SFTP, see internal-sftp option for sshd_config Hope this helps. Srikant.
Re: Lastet supported jdk on OpenBSD
That too. And the plugin case is somewhat worse, since as far as I know, Sun still hasn't released the proper license for the browser plugin, so, no packages for it even on -current. As others pointed out, if you're running -current, you can already install the jdk or jre packages. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:22 AM, John Nietzsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it mean web browser plugin availability too?
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? I am really heartened to see how quickly everybody here has responded and pointed out the error and correction. I am less delighted that 3com, who I emailed about this probably over 2 years ago, and who said they were going to look into this, *still* haven't fixed their PDF. Maybe if everybody who responded to this thread were to email them as well, *maybe* that would help. I have to admit however that I don't remember who I talked to back then. It's possible that I've still got a copy of that old mail exchange saved on some CD somewhere; I could start digging if people think that would help. Thanks and regards, --ropers
Re: Decipering Understanding IP addressing
2008/5/21 ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kendall Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm having a hard time understanding it. In many places they use 2 numbers, e.g. 2(21) or 232 (4,294,967,296). Can you understand what they are saying? I am really heartened to see how quickly everybody here has responded and pointed out the error and correction. I am less delighted that 3com, who I emailed about this probably over 2 years ago, and who said they were going to look into this, *still* haven't fixed their PDF. Maybe if everybody who responded to this thread were to email them as well, *maybe* that would help. Or we could just post some errata at http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Intro , where the PDF is liked. Would the FAQ maintainers be in favour of this? If so, then I could probably write a diff for http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html . regards, --ropers
