Re: 1W OpenBSD machine for 29 GBP?
On 11/07/2009, at 7:56 PM, David Vasek wrote: On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Steve Fairhead wrote: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ What do you reckon? ;) Can't be used, as the FPU emulation has been removed some time ago. Regards, David Also, as I understand, OpenBSD requires a MMU. I was unable to find out whether or not this chip has one. paulm
Re: What kernel to use for a QuadProcesor, or Dual Xeon 3.0ghz
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 02:52:43PM -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Jan-Erik Skata jesk...@gmail.com wrote Yes, you should use the SMP kernel on multicore CPUs aswell. I have usually just moved /bsd.mp onto /bsd and rebooted. Otherwise only one CPU and/or core will be used. Ok, however since this is Symmetric MultiProcessing then I wouldnt benefit from running a mysql server because this is a single thread and it would still only use one core, right? Does OpenBSD support asymmetrical processing ? You have your terminology confused: the symmetric in SMP refers to the identical treatment of identical processors, not to any way of mapping threads to CPUs (CPU cores). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_multiprocessing for details. OpenBSD's current threading model is n:1, which means that scheduling is based on processes, not threads (i.e. only one thread of any given process can be on the CPU at a given time). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science)#Models. Some people are working on changing this, but they have been at it for a while and it is not production-ready yet. This does, indeed, mean that a multi-threaded process such as MySQL does not benefit from having multiple cores in the box, except to the extent that other work may be offloaded to other cores. I'll try to restrain myself from promoting PostgreSQL here... oops! Joachim
Re: What kernel to use for a QuadProcesor, or Dual Xeon 3.0ghz
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:34 +0200, Joachim Schipper joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 02:52:43PM -0500, Andres Salazar wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Jan-Erik Skata jesk...@gmail.com wrote Yes, you should use the SMP kernel on multicore CPUs aswell. I have usually just moved /bsd.mp onto /bsd and rebooted. Otherwise only one CPU and/or core will be used. Ok, however since this is Symmetric MultiProcessing then I wouldnt benefit from running a mysql server because this is a single thread and it would still only use one core, right? Does OpenBSD support asymmetrical processing ? You have your terminology confused: the symmetric in SMP refers to the identical treatment of identical processors, not to any way of mapping threads to CPUs (CPU cores). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_multiprocessing for details. OpenBSD's current threading model is n:1, which means that scheduling is based on processes, not threads (i.e. only one thread of any given process can be on the CPU at a given time). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(computer_science)#Models. Some people are working on changing this, but they have been at it for a while and it is not production-ready yet. This does, indeed, mean that a multi-threaded process such as MySQL does not benefit from having multiple cores in the box, except to the extent that other work may be offloaded to other cores. I'll try to restrain myself from promoting PostgreSQL here... oops! Not to mention the huge debate among programmers about the actual usefulness of multi-threading... but that's another story entirely.. check the archives and your favorite search engine.
Color with ls command
Hello,
With OpenBSD 4.4, I got the color in console with the ls command and the
package gnuls.
Here is my profile:
SHELL=/bin/ksh
PS1=\w \\$
PKG_PATH=ftp://ftp.crans.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/packages/`machine -a`/
DIR=di=01;34:
CON=*conf=01;33:
EXE=*sh=01;32:
ARC=*tar=01;31:*gz=01;31:*tar.gz=01;31:*tgz=01;31:*bz2=01;31:*zip=01;31:
MUS=*ogg=40;35:*mp3=40;35:*avi=40;35:*mpg=40;35:*mpeg=40;35:
IMG=*png=01;35:*gif=01;35:*jpg=01;35:*jpeg=01;35:
LS_COLORS=${DIR}${CON}${EXE}${ARC}${MUL}${IMG}
export SHELL PS1 PKG_PATH LS_COLORS
alias ls=ls \
ll=ls -l la=ls -a lla=ls -la ld=ll | grep '^d' \
md=/bin/mkdir rd=/bin/rmdir \
rm=/bin/rm -i cp=/bin/cp -i mv=/bin/mv -i \
df=/bin/df -h du=/usr/bin/du -h \
h=history j=jobs p=/usr/bin/lpr \
c=/usr/bin/clear bye=exit off=/sbin/halt -p
But with OpenBSD 4.5, it does not work.
Thank you in advance for your answers.
-Olivier
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Re: pkg_add hangs downloading several packages.
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 02:27:34PM +0200, Jesus Sanchez wrote: Hi list, using 4.5 I've a little script to add a few packages after a fresh install, basically it's a pkg_add -i a b c line with ~40 packages to install, but at some point after some packages get installed, the connection with the server hangs and nothing happens untill I kill it with Ctrl+c. ftp server ? looks like a server or proxy somewhere that doesn't like abort commands. unfortunately, you can't do anything on the client. Using http will work around the breakage.
Re: Color with ls command
2009/7/12 Olivier Regnier oregn...@hotmail.com: Hello, With OpenBSD 4.4, I got the color in console with the ls command and the package gnuls. (...) But with OpenBSD 4.5, it does not work. This may be slightly asinine, but just to confirm, with OpenBSD 4.4, you had this package installed, and with OpenBSD 4.5 you have the same package installed? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/gnuls-4.1p0.tgz-long.html And with neither version did you have this package installed, which also provides purrtee ls colours? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/colorls-4.5.tgz-long.html Also, and I'm ashamed to even ask you this, but of course you are using the right package/port version for your system? http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#NoFun regards, --ropers
Re: What kernel to use for a QuadProcesor, or Dual Xeon 3.0ghz
On 2009-07-10, Andres Salazar ndrsslz...@gmail.com wrote: Hello community, I have two boxes: Quad Core Processor with 4GB RAM Dual Xeon 3.0 Ghz with 2GB of RAM I have heard contradicting information as far as I can use both the MP and the REGULAR kernel (i386 or amd64) and that both would give me the same performance.. Isnt it true that If i apply the regular kernel on these boxes I would be wasting CPU power? Per top it would only show one CPU. Also.. is it better to use amd64 or i386.. or doesnt matter? If you want to make sure you get the fastest performance, try the various options *with your particular application* and benchmark them.
Re: Color with ls command
ropers wrote: 2009/7/12 Olivier Regnier oregn...@hotmail.com: Hello, With OpenBSD 4.4, I got the color in console with the ls command and the package gnuls. (...) But with OpenBSD 4.5, it does not work. This may be slightly asinine, but just to confirm, with OpenBSD 4.4, you had this package installed, and with OpenBSD 4.5 you have the same package installed? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/gnuls-4.1p0.tgz-long.html And with neither version did you have this package installed, which also provides purrtee ls colours? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/colorls-4.5.tgz-long.html Also, and I'm ashamed to even ask you this, but of course you are using the right package/port version for your system? http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#NoFun regards, --ropers I just tried both of these, only, only gnuls worked. But it cut username and groupname down to eight characters. I tried all the options that seemed appropriate, like --tabsize and --width These failed to have any effect. Is there a fix for this? Ilike cute, pretty colors, but not if it cuts info!! Chris Bennett
Re: Color with ls command
Chris Bennett escribis: ropers wrote: 2009/7/12 Olivier Regnier oregn...@hotmail.com: Hello, With OpenBSD 4.4, I got the color in console with the ls command and the package gnuls. (...) But with OpenBSD 4.5, it does not work. This may be slightly asinine, but just to confirm, with OpenBSD 4.4, you had this package installed, and with OpenBSD 4.5 you have the same package installed? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/gnuls-4.1p0.tgz-long.html And with neither version did you have this package installed, which also provides purrtee ls colours? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/colorls-4.5.tgz-long.html Also, and I'm ashamed to even ask you this, but of course you are using the right package/port version for your system? http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#NoFun regards, --ropers I just tried both of these, only, only gnuls worked. But it cut username and groupname down to eight characters. I tried all the options that seemed appropriate, like --tabsize and --width These failed to have any effect. Is there a fix for this? Ilike cute, pretty colors, but not if it cuts info!! Chris Bennett try the package colorls
Re: Color with ls command
Jesus Sanchez wrote: I just tried both of these, only, only gnuls worked. But it cut username and groupname down to eight characters. I tried all the options that seemed appropriate, like --tabsize and --width These failed to have any effect. Is there a fix for this? Ilike cute, pretty colors, but not if it cuts info!! Chris Bennett try the package colorls Yes this worked once I changed TERM=xterm-xfree86 pkg_delete gnuls Chris Bennett
Re: Color with ls command
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 07:32:49AM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: ropers wrote: 2009/7/12 Olivier Regnier oregn...@hotmail.com: Hello, With OpenBSD 4.4, I got the color in console with the ls command and the package gnuls. (...) But with OpenBSD 4.5, it does not work. This may be slightly asinine, but just to confirm, with OpenBSD 4.4, you had this package installed, and with OpenBSD 4.5 you have the same package installed? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/gnuls-4.1p0.tgz-long.html And with neither version did you have this package installed, which also provides purrtee ls colours? http://www.openbsd.org/4.5_packages/i386/colorls-4.5.tgz-long.html Also, and I'm ashamed to even ask you this, but of course you are using the right package/port version for your system? http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#NoFun regards, --ropers I just tried both of these, only, only gnuls worked. do you have $TERM set appropriately, as per colorls(1)? -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
xterm in scrotwm, won't read aliases or TERM from ./profile or other file
I'm using xterm in scrotwm. However, each instance fails to read any aliases or environment stuff like TERM. I have set a file that echos all the needed commands which I then copy paste to get my stuff into that xterm only. This works well, but is there any way at all to automatically do this? scrotwm does not work with anything except 'xterm' only and exactly in /etc/scrotwm.conf. Chris Bennett
AMD 780/790GX Motherboards
Hello, I was interested in finding out if OpenBSD supported the new (i.e. M4A78-E) motherboards that use the AMD 780/790GX series chip sets? It could not find them mentioned on the AMD64 support page, Goggling did not produce any hits on this subject either. I get an error when trying to load 4.5 on this new motherboard that I purchased. Thanks! Glenn
Re: xterm in scrotwm, won't read aliases or TERM from ./profile or other file
Hi, On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Chris Bennettch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: I'm using xterm in scrotwm. However, each instance fails to read any aliases or environment stuff like TERM. I have set a file that echos all the needed commands which I then copy paste to get my stuff into that xterm only. This works well, but is there any way at all to automatically do this? Put this in your ~/.Xdefaults xterm.*.loginShell: true scrotwm does not work with anything except 'xterm' only and exactly in /etc/scrotwm.conf. Chris Bennett -- Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com www: http://brobding.mine.nu/
Re: 1W OpenBSD machine for 29 GBP?
Paul M wrote: Also, as I understand, OpenBSD requires a MMU. I was unable to find out whether or not this chip has one. paulm Hi, The MMU is an integral part of a 32-bit x86 processor, it will most definitely have one if it's = to an i386. According to the link in the initial email, it's 486SX-compatible.. so it most likely will not have an FPU, which is required by OpenBSD/i386 since the conversion to ELF. The last version you could run on an FPU-less system is 3.3, which was released November 1st, 2003. HTH. -Brynet
Re: xterm in scrotwm, won't read aliases or TERM from ./profile or other file
Floor Terra wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Chris Bennettch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: I'm using xterm in scrotwm. However, each instance fails to read any aliases or environment stuff like TERM. I have set a file that echos all the needed commands which I then copy paste to get my stuff into that xterm only. This works well, but is there any way at all to automatically do this? Put this in your ~/.Xdefaults xterm.*.loginShell: true Thanks!! I looked on the web a lot and tried many things. Never saw this solution. Chris Bennett
Re: AMD 780/790GX Motherboards
Glenn Gombert wrote: Hello, I was interested in finding out if OpenBSD supported the new (i.e. M4A78-E) motherboards that use the AMD 780/790GX series chip sets? It could not find them mentioned on the AMD64 support page, Goggling did not produce any hits on this subject either. I get an error when trying to load 4.5 on this new motherboard that I purchased. I have an M3A78-T (790GX) which works fine, after some bios tweaks 1) I had to disable USB2, or the machine would spontaneously reboot 2) The built-in NIC is useless mskc0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Marvell Yukon 88E8056 rev 0x12, Yukon-2 EC Ultra (0x3): apic 4 int 18 (irq 11) msk0 at mskc0 port A: address 00:22:15:86:05:1c eephy0 at msk0 phy 0: 88E1149 Gigabit PHY, rev. 1 start an torrent and it will stop working in less than a minute I put in an PCI-E Intel PRO/1000 PT instead, with some difficulties. It doesn't work in slot 2 and 3 em0: Hardware Initialization Failed em0: Unable to initialize the hardware but it works in slot 4 (I haven't tried slot 1) 3) And lastly I disabled the useless azalia on the northbridge azalia0 at pci1 dev 5 function 1 ATI RS780 HD Audio rev 0x00: apic 4 int 19 (irq 10) azalia0: invalid ADC PCM format: 0x azalia0: No codecs found so I got audio from the other azaila azalia1 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 ATI SBx00 HD Audio rev 0x00: apic 4 int 16 (irq 7) azalia1: codecs: Realtek ALC888 audio0 at azalia1 Now it's running 24/7 as my main file server/samba/torrent/console server machine I've had it since 4.4-current This is 4.6-current real mem = 3756720128 (3582MB) avail mem = 3633623040 (3465MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0x9f400 (71 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 0502 date 10/30/2008 bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M3A78-T acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB HPET OSFR SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PCE2(S4) PCE3(S4) PCE4(S4) PCE5(S4) PCE6(S4) PCE7(S4) PCE9(S4) PCEA(S4) SBAZ(S4) PS2K(S3) PS2M(S3) P0PC(S4) UHC1(S4) UHC2(S4) UHC3(S4) USB4(S4) UHC5(S4) UHC6(S4) UHC7(S4) PWRB(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2406.40 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache, 2MB 64b/line 32-way L3 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2406.12 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache, 2MB 64b/line 32-way L3 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu2: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2406.12 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu2: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache, 2MB 64b/line 32-way L3 cache cpu2: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu2: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor) cpu3: AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor, 2406.12 MHz cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW cpu3: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache, 2MB 64b/line 32-way L3 cache cpu3: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu3: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative ioapic0 at mainbus0 apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE2) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCE3) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE4) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE5) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE6) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 3 (P0PC) acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: PSS acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 AMD RS780 Host rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function
SATA hardisk appearing offline
Hello, I have a DELL Precision 370 workstation and BIOS allows me to select the SATA behaviour mode: it can be AHCI mode or emulate the good old known ATA mode. The hardisk I'm using is a SATA 300 model ( aka SATA II ). I was using it in ATA mode for some time, but I tried the AHCI at each release. Starting with 4.5 the AHCI was setup correctly and I started using it as default since then. Thus, from time to time I still have some problems. The boot process is ok, the kernel is loaded but the hardisk is not detected anymore and the computer freezes at this point. The successful line about hardisk detect is replaced with this one: sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, , SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: driver offline unknown vendor 0x0004 product 0x (class prehistoric, subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x04) at pci0 dev31 function 3 not configured. Unfortunately the fail dmesg is not recorded in /var/log/messages. The only way to reproduce it for sure is on first reboot after fresh OpenBSD install. After a few reboots I will get a success. My question is this: is it a problem about hardware failure or the ahci driver is not mature enough ? I'm worried because this appears randomly and I can't relate it to something. The only sure way to reproduce it is to install a fresh Openbsd, when I do the first reboot after install it will appear for sure. success dmesg === OpenBSD 4.5-current (GENERIC) #57: Fri Jun 12 14:46:47 MDT 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 3.20 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,CNXT-ID,xTPR real mem = 1071783936 (1022MB) avail mem = 1027928064 (980MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/07/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xffe90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0450 (72 entries) bios0: vendor Dell Inc. version A08 date 07/07/2006 bios0: Dell Inc. Precision WorkStation 370 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT APIC BOOT ASF! MCFG HPET acpi0: wakeup devices VBTN(S4) PCI0(S5) PCI1(S5) PCI2(S5) PCI3(S5) PCI4(S5) KBD_(S3) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 8 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 8 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 4 (PCI1) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCI2) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCI3) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (PCI4) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 acpibtn0 at acpi0: VBTN bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf800 0xcf800/0x800 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82925X Host rev 0x04 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82925X PCIE rev 0x04: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Radeon X1650 Pro rev 0x9e wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) drm0 at radeondrm0 ATI Radeon X1650 Pro Sec rev 0x9e at pci1 dev 0 function 1 not configured ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801FB PCIE rev 0x03: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 bge0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Broadcom BCM5751 rev 0x01, BCM5750 A1 (0x4001): apic 8 int 16 (irq 11), address 00:13:20:18:a2:cf brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5750 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0 ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801FB PCIE rev 0x03: apic 8 int 17 (irq 10) pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 21 (irq 9) uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 22 (irq 5) uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 18 (irq 3) uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 23 (irq 10) ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 21 (irq 9) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA Hub-to-PCI rev 0xd3 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 emu0 at pci4 dev 2 function 0 Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live rev 0x07: apic 8 int 18 (irq 3) ac97: codec id 0x83847609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) ac97: codec features 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, SigmaTel 3D audio0 at emu0 Creative Labs PCI Gameport Joystick rev 0x07 at pci4 dev 2 function 1 not configured ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801FB LPC rev 0x03: PM disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 Intel 82801FB IDE rev 0x03: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: PIONEER, DVD-RW DVR-116D, 1.06 ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO
Re: SATA hardisk appearing offline
Have you tried different disks? The AHCI driver works really well with AHCI 1.1 and AHCI 1.2 on intel chipsets, at least in my experience. Mihai Popescu B.S. [mihai...@gmail.com] wrote: Hello, I have a DELL Precision 370 workstation and BIOS allows me to select the SATA behaviour mode: it can be AHCI mode or emulate the good old known ATA mode. The hardisk I'm using is a SATA 300 model ( aka SATA II ). I was using it in ATA mode for some time, but I tried the AHCI at each release. Starting with 4.5 the AHCI was setup correctly and I started using it as default since then. Thus, from time to time I still have some problems. The boot process is ok, the kernel is loaded but the hardisk is not detected anymore and the computer freezes at this point. The successful line about hardisk detect is replaced with this one: sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, , SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: driver offline unknown vendor 0x0004 product 0x (class prehistoric, subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x04) at pci0 dev31 function 3 not configured. Unfortunately the fail dmesg is not recorded in /var/log/messages. The only way to reproduce it for sure is on first reboot after fresh OpenBSD install. After a few reboots I will get a success. My question is this: is it a problem about hardware failure or the ahci driver is not mature enough ? I'm worried because this appears randomly and I can't relate it to something. The only sure way to reproduce it is to install a fresh Openbsd, when I do the first reboot after install it will appear for sure. success dmesg === OpenBSD 4.5-current (GENERIC) #57: Fri Jun 12 14:46:47 MDT 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 3.20 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,CNXT-ID,xTPR real mem = 1071783936 (1022MB) avail mem = 1027928064 (980MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/07/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xffe90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0450 (72 entries) bios0: vendor Dell Inc. version A08 date 07/07/2006 bios0: Dell Inc. Precision WorkStation 370 acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT APIC BOOT ASF! MCFG HPET acpi0: wakeup devices VBTN(S4) PCI0(S5) PCI1(S5) PCI2(S5) PCI3(S5) PCI4(S5) KBD_(S3) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 8 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 8 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 4 (PCI1) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCI2) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCI3) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 1 (PCI4) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 acpibtn0 at acpi0: VBTN bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf800 0xcf800/0x800 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82925X Host rev 0x04 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82925X PCIE rev 0x04: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Radeon X1650 Pro rev 0x9e wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) drm0 at radeondrm0 ATI Radeon X1650 Pro Sec rev 0x9e at pci1 dev 0 function 1 not configured ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801FB PCIE rev 0x03: apic 8 int 16 (irq 11) pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 bge0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Broadcom BCM5751 rev 0x01, BCM5750 A1 (0x4001): apic 8 int 16 (irq 11), address 00:13:20:18:a2:cf brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5750 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0 ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801FB PCIE rev 0x03: apic 8 int 17 (irq 10) pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 21 (irq 9) uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 22 (irq 5) uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 18 (irq 3) uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 23 (irq 10) ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801FB USB rev 0x03: apic 8 int 21 (irq 9) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA Hub-to-PCI rev 0xd3 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 emu0 at pci4 dev 2 function 0 Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live rev 0x07: apic 8 int 18 (irq 3) ac97: codec id 0x83847609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) ac97: codec features 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, SigmaTel 3D audio0 at emu0 Creative Labs PCI Gameport Joystick rev 0x07 at pci4 dev 2 function 1 not configured ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801FB LPC rev 0x03: PM disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 Intel
material about magicpoint
Hello misc, I've installed the magicpoint presentation tool and I would like to know if there is any related book or complete user guide (in english, french or portuguese). The tool seems to be very simple and easy to use, but I would like to see what is possible to do with it. Any recommendation ? Thanks, Paulo.
tmux vs screen questions
hi there, old habits die hard, but i wouldn't mind drowning screen(1).. so i am biting the bullet and trying to convert my spartan .screenrc to .tmux.conf, this mail being the result of that process, hopefully seen as constructive criticism... a cosmetic start, i personally think that '.tmuxrc' might be a better name as it runs commands as opposed to simple configuration.. also, in openbsd i came to associate most .conf files with a man page as well... (i have typed man tmux.conf now for the 15th time, sigh) the first feature that i would like to turn off is how tmux resizes my putty window to strict 80 columns, probably based on COLUMNS. but COLUMNS is lying, i set my windows size in putty to 100x25 and the shell doesn't pick it up at login time... it's not a big deal really because many programs (like mc) do pick up the real geometry and adapt... for tmux to dethrone screen, basically i need these to work the very same way (maaany years of pavlov reflexes in these), taken from screen (my prefix is x): C-x space: next screen C-x backspace: previous screen C-x i: info (i have status turned off but sometimes need to peek at where i am, screen(1) outputs: (23,14)/(99,26)+1024 +flow app mouse bce G0[B0BB] 2(ksh) perhaps a window-info equivalent in tmux? C-x : windowlist -b (a very brief, barebone list of all the windows with their titles) C-x C-x:last active window copy mode visual bell with configurable text so i proceeded to try to convert this into tmux syntax: -- set-option -g prefix C-x set-option -g status off unbind-key C-b bind-key C-x send-prefix bind-key C-x last bind-key ' ' next # not working, i must hit C-x C-space # bind-key previous # i have no idea how to bind backspace bind-keylist-windows # this is not working, still does split-window -- (space looks kind of confusing in C-x ? as well...) so i am not doing very well at the moment.. some other random issues: - most of the set-option commands do not state what is their default behaviour in the man page.. (like bell-action, etc) - the error/warning messages in the status line disappear so fast, i have no chance of reading them (status is turned off otherwise) - socket_path (also in $TMUX) contains double slash (/tmp//tmux-1000/default, debug level 0) - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. how are the other screen guys doing? lots of pain? ;] -f -- does the name pavlov ring a bell?
Re: tmux vs screen questions
I have pavlov issues but no functional ones. Vim is happy as a clam once i fixed ctrl-pgup and ctrl-pgdn My tmux.conf: setw -g xterm-keys on bind b last-window bind last-window bind '' choose-window bind s split-window My .vimrc bits: syntax on set ruler set tabstop=8 set autoindent set showmode set showmatch set tags=./tags,tags,/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/tags set hlsearch set incsearch set mouse=a imap au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt*,/tmp/cvs*,*.txt set tw=72 noai noshowmatch au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt*,/tmp/cvs*,*.txt setlocal spell spelllang=en_us au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt*,/tmp/cvs*,*.txt syntax off nn F7 :setlocal spell! spell?CR Convert to hex and back; does not save changes nn F5 :%!xxd -g 1CR nn F6 :%!xxd -g 1 -rCR source /usr/local/share/vim/vim72/ftplugin/man.vim ctrl up and ctrl down in tmux if term == screen set t_kN=[6;*~ set t_kP=[5;*~ endif For completions sake .Xdefaults: xterm*termName: xterm-color xterm*loginShell: true xterm*background: black xterm*boldFont: vtbold xterm*border: pink xterm*cursorColor: yellow #xterm*font: -misc-*-*-*-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* #xterm*font: -terminus-*-*-*-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* xterm*font: -*-terminus-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-* xterm*foreground: white xterm*internalBorder: 2 xterm*jumpScroll: on xterm*mouse:yellow xterm*reverse*Wrap: on xterm.ReverseWrap: on xterm*saveLines:2000 xterm*scrollBar:off xterm*titlebar: on xterm*visualBell: off xterm.ActiveIcon: on xterm.AllowIconInput: on xterm.AutoRaise:on xterm.Background: black xterm.Border: blue xterm.BorderWidth: 3 xterm.Cursor: green xterm.Foreground: white xterm.InternalBorder: 2 xterm.TextUnderIcon:on On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:20:40PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: hi there, old habits die hard, but i wouldn't mind drowning screen(1).. so i am biting the bullet and trying to convert my spartan .screenrc to .tmux.conf, this mail being the result of that process, hopefully seen as constructive criticism... a cosmetic start, i personally think that '.tmuxrc' might be a better name as it runs commands as opposed to simple configuration.. also, in openbsd i came to associate most .conf files with a man page as well... (i have typed man tmux.conf now for the 15th time, sigh) the first feature that i would like to turn off is how tmux resizes my putty window to strict 80 columns, probably based on COLUMNS. but COLUMNS is lying, i set my windows size in putty to 100x25 and the shell doesn't pick it up at login time... it's not a big deal really because many programs (like mc) do pick up the real geometry and adapt... for tmux to dethrone screen, basically i need these to work the very same way (maaany years of pavlov reflexes in these), taken from screen (my prefix is x): C-x space:next screen C-x backspace:previous screen C-x i:info (i have status turned off but sometimes need to peek at where i am, screen(1) outputs: (23,14)/(99,26)+1024 +flow app mouse bce G0[B0BB] 2(ksh) perhaps a window-info equivalent in tmux? C-x :windowlist -b (a very brief, barebone list of all the windows with their titles) C-x C-x: last active window copy mode visual bell with configurable text so i proceeded to try to convert this into tmux syntax: -- set-option -g prefix C-x set-option -g status off unbind-key C-b bind-key C-x send-prefix bind-key C-x last bind-key ' ' next# not working, i must hit C-x C-space # bind-key previous # i have no idea how to bind backspace bind-keylist-windows # this is not working, still does split-window -- (space looks kind of confusing in C-x ? as well...) so i am not doing very well at the moment.. some other random issues: - most of the set-option commands do not state what is their default behaviour in the man page.. (like bell-action, etc) - the error/warning messages in the status line disappear so fast, i have no chance of reading them (status is turned off otherwise) - socket_path (also in $TMUX) contains double slash (/tmp//tmux-1000/default, debug level 0) - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. how are the other screen guys doing? lots of pain? ;] -f -- does the name pavlov ring a bell?
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, frantisek holop wrote: - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. I usually start it this way: TERM=xterm-color tmux -- Antoine
Re: tmux vs screen questions
hmm, on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 04:45:18PM -0500, Marco Peereboom said that bind '' choose-window you sure this works? i am still getting split-window... bind s split-window does it work without this? it's as if if the function is not reassigned to something else or unbound, then it overrides my choice. i don't know. -f -- solitude. a great place to visit, a bad place to stay
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Sun 2009.07.12 at 16:45 -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: For completions sake .Xdefaults: xterm*termName: xterm-color xterm*loginShell: true xterm*background: black xterm*boldFont: vtbold xterm*border: pink xterm*cursorColor: yellow #xterm*font: -misc-*-*-*-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* #xterm*font: -terminus-*-*-*-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ^ - those should be commented with a '!' - see xrdb(1). however, xrdb runs through cpp first, so you are ok...a mere technicality ;) cheers, okan
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Re: tmux vs screen questions
the first feature that i would like to turn off is how tmux resizes my putty window to strict 80 columns, probably based on COLUMNS. but COLUMNS is lying, i set my windows size in putty to 100x25 and the shell doesn't pick it up at login time... it's not a big deal really because many programs (like mc) do pick up the real geometry and adapt... tmux does not do this, it just issues the terminal initialisation strings to from whatever terminal you have set it $TERM, in your cases they must include sequences which make the terminal resize. However, you will be glad to hear that in -current, tmux no longer issues these commands (they are not necessary and interfere with alternate screens), but if you prefer not to upgrade, putty has an option to disable this: in the options, under Terminal - Features, check the Disable remote-controlled terminal resizing box. for tmux to dethrone screen, basically i need these to work the very same way (maaany years of pavlov reflexes in these), taken from screen (my prefix is x): C-x space:next screen C-x backspace:previous screen C-x i:info (i have status turned off but sometimes need to peek at where i am, screen(1) outputs: (23,14)/(99,26)+1024 +flow app mouse bce G0[B0BB] 2(ksh) perhaps a window-info equivalent in tmux? Should be easy enough, I'll add it to the todo list. C-x :windowlist -b (a very brief, barebone list of all the windows with their titles) C-x C-x: last active window copy mode What is copy mode missing? visual bell with configurable text I don't know what this means? so i proceeded to try to convert this into tmux syntax: -- set-option -g prefix C-x set-option -g status off unbind-key C-b bind-key C-x send-prefix bind-key C-x last bind-key ' ' next# not working, i must hit C-x C-space Works for me in xterm, I'll have to try it putty later. # bind-key previous # i have no idea how to bind backspace bind-keylist-windows # this is not working, still does split-window This is not correct and should give an error - are you sure you restarted the tmux server or reloaded your configuration with source-file? Try: bind '' list-windows Although are you sure you don't want choose-window instead? -- (space looks kind of confusing in C-x ? as well...) so i am not doing very well at the moment.. some other random issues: - most of the set-option commands do not state what is their default behaviour in the man page.. (like bell-action, etc) - the error/warning messages in the status line disappear so fast, i have no chance of reading them (status is turned off otherwise) You can change the length of time they appear with the display-time option. - socket_path (also in $TMUX) contains double slash (/tmp//tmux-1000/default, debug level 0) This is not really a problem except cosmetically, I'm not too worried about it. - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux? how are the other screen guys doing? lots of pain? ;] -f -- does the name pavlov ring a bell?
Re: current /root/.login question
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Emilio Pereaepe...@walkereng.com wrote: There have been some changes to the default /root/.login recently that I don't understand, and hope someone can enlighten me. On my oldest server, the root shell is still csh, so the change is very noticeable: Using the /root/.login from the 4.5 CD, when I login there is a terminal type prompt which has always included the proper terminal type as default. The /root/.login from the current snapshot always results in an unknown terminal type, so I have to type in the terminal type myself before proceeding. Is this as intended? ... Last login: Fri Jul 10 11:35:12 2009 from herakles.walkereng.net OpenBSD 4.6 (GENERIC) #58: Thu Jul 9 21:24:42 MDT 2009 ... tset: unknown terminal type !* Terminal type? nxterm Erase is delete. Kill is control-U (^U). Interrupt is control-C (^C). Read the afterboot(8) man page for administration advice. Something is weird about your 4.6-almost system: - the error from tset implies that it was passed !* on the command line - the Erase is.../Kill is.../Interrupt is... output implies that tset was *not* passed the -Q option The latter would seem to imply that the tset in the /root/.login file has either been changed or it is not the tset invocation that's causing that output. Do you perhaps have anything in your /etc/csh.* files? If nothing turns up there, I suggest adding set echo to the top of /root/.cshrc, and maybe echo starting .login and such at the top of each sourced file, then loggin in and seeing where the problem tset is being invoked and with what. If that small hammer doesn't give you enough information, there's always the big hammer: use ktrace -i on whatever is starting the shell (the terminal program, the login process, whatever). Philip Guenther
Re: tmux vs screen questions
From my .screenrc vbell on vbellwait 0.20 vbell_msg Boing.
Re: tmux vs screen questions
hmm, on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:09:08AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott said that However, you will be glad to hear that in -current, tmux no longer issues these commands (they are not necessary and interfere with alternate screens), but if i am using current :] What is copy mode missing? nothing, i just put it on the list what is needed for tmux to dehtrone screen :] visual bell with configurable text I don't know what this means? screen lets you do something like this: vbell on vbell_msg Wuff Wuff vbell_msg appears in the bottom line when there is a bell. it helps because flashes on the terminal are easy to miss.. bind-key ' ' next # not working, i must hit C-x C-space Works for me in xterm, I'll have to try it putty later. c-x space still calls the layout command. i must keep ctrl pressed and press space to go to the next window. # bind-key previous # i have no idea how to bind backspace how do i bind backspace please? bind '' list-windows Although are you sure you don't want choose-window instead? ok, this is now all right. You can change the length of time they appear with the display-time option. i cannot find anything like that in the man page... - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux? again, this seems to be a putty specific issue. no problems whatsoever on local terminal. TERM is set to xterm before i run tmux, then it changes to screen. thanks for the answers! it's really easy (and dangerous) to get used to this kind of support... -f -- my muse turned out to be a dike
Re: tmux vs screen questions
I see, thanks. I don't think a customisable message is necessary, but yes it would be nice to have the option to display bells visually - I'll have a look, it shouldn't be too difficult. It might be better not to use the terminal visual bell but to just always show it in the same way in the status line. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 07:11:14PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: From my .screenrc vbell on vbellwait 0.20 vbell_msg Boing.
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Re: current /root/.login question
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 05:04:58PM -0700, Philip Guenther wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Emilio Pereaepe...@walkereng.com wrote: There have been some changes to the default /root/.login recently that I don't understand, and hope someone can enlighten me. On my oldest server, the root shell is still csh, so the change is very noticeable: Using the /root/.login from the 4.5 CD, when I login there is a terminal type prompt which has always included the proper terminal type as default. The /root/.login from the current snapshot always results in an unknown terminal type, so I have to type in the terminal type myself before proceeding. Is this as intended? ... Last login: Fri Jul 10 11:35:12 2009 from herakles.walkereng.net OpenBSD 4.6 (GENERIC) #58: Thu Jul 9 21:24:42 MDT 2009 ... tset: unknown terminal type !* Terminal type? nxterm Erase is delete. Kill is control-U (^U). Interrupt is control-C (^C). Read the afterboot(8) man page for administration advice. Something is weird about your 4.6-almost system: - the error from tset implies that it was passed !* on the command line - the Erase is.../Kill is.../Interrupt is... output implies that tset was *not* passed the -Q option The latter would seem to imply that the tset in the /root/.login file has either been changed or it is not the tset invocation that's causing that output. Do you perhaps have anything in your /etc/csh.* files? That was it! The line alias tset 'set noglob histchars=; eval `\tset -s \!*`; unset noglob histchars' which was removed in version 1.9 (25-Apr-1998!) was somehow still in root's .cshrc. My apologies... I'm ashamed to say that I thought .login was executed ahead of .cshrc and didn't check the man page.
Re: tmux vs screen questions
What is copy mode missing? nothing, i just put it on the list what is needed for tmux to dehtrone screen :] I don't understand. What is tmux copy mode missing? visual bell with configurable text I don't know what this means? screen lets you do something like this: vbell on vbell_msg Wuff Wuff vbell_msg appears in the bottom line when there is a bell. it helps because flashes on the terminal are easy to miss.. Yep I understand, I'll have a look at this, but I'm not going to make the message customisable. # bind-key previous # i have no idea how to bind backspace how do i bind backspace please? Backspace is a difficult one since it can generate several codes. Try bind dc and bind ^H, if those don't work I'll have a look, tmux doesn't currently look at the kbs terminal cap but maybe it should, although there is no guarantee that is accurate anyway. You can change the length of time they appear with the display-time option. i cannot find anything like that in the man page... It was missed and is fixed in -current a few days ago. - no matter what i do, i can't make vim colorful.. TERM=screen just like with screen, but screen defines a TERMCAP as well. even if i do export TERM=rxvt, still everything is bw.. What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux? again, this seems to be a putty specific issue. no problems whatsoever on local terminal. TERM is set to xterm before i run tmux, then it changes to screen. The xterm terminal description does not support colour so tmux does not attempt to use it, use a terminal description that does have it such as xterm-color or xterm-xfree86. thanks for the answers! it's really easy (and dangerous) to get used to this kind of support... -f -- my muse turned out to be a dike
Re: 1W OpenBSD machine for 29 GBP?
On 2009-07-12, Brynet bry...@gmail.com wrote: Paul M wrote: Also, as I understand, OpenBSD requires a MMU. I was unable to find out whether or not this chip has one. paulm Hi, The MMU is an integral part of a 32-bit x86 processor, it will most definitely have one if it's = to an i386. According to the link in the initial email, it's 486SX-compatible.. so it most likely will not have an FPU, which is required by OpenBSD/i386 since the conversion to ELF. The last version you could run on an FPU-less system is 3.3, which was released November 1st, 2003. You'll also need a bootloader that can read from the onboard flash and a kernel that together take under 1MB, or a bootloader that speaks USB/umass or ethernet. 32MB RAM is also quite a restriction. If you don't want to modify OpenBSD then PC Engines alix is about the closest thing (it's a little way off this in terms of size/power/price, but not hugely so, and it's much more useful).
Re: tmux vs screen questions
What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux?
again, this seems to be a putty specific issue.
no problems whatsoever on local terminal.
TERM is set to xterm before i run tmux, then it changes to screen.
The xterm terminal description does not support colour so tmux does not
attempt
to use it, use a terminal description that does have it such as xterm-color or
xterm-xfree86.
This causes problems fora lot of people, I don't think there are any bw xterms
out there and recent ncurses does have setaf/setab in its xterm
description... so I don't see a reason we shouldn't just have a quirk to
override it. Could you try this please?
Index: tty-term.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/tmux/tty-term.c,v
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.2 tty-term.c
--- tty-term.c 5 Jun 2009 03:13:16 - 1.2
+++ tty-term.c 13 Jul 2009 01:26:12 -
@@ -151,6 +151,18 @@ tty_term_quirks(struct tty_term *term)
}
if (strncmp(term-name, xterm, 5) == 0) {
+ /* xterms have colour, but some termcaps do not. */
+ if (!tty_term_has(term, TTYC_SETAF)) {
+ term-codes[TTYC_SETAF].type = TTYCODE_STRING;
+ term-codes[TTYC_SETAF].value.string =
+ xstrdup(\033[3%p1%dm);
+ }
+ if (!tty_term_has(term, TTYC_SETAB)) {
+ term-codes[TTYC_SETAB].type = TTYCODE_STRING;
+ term-codes[TTYC_SETAB].value.string =
+ xstrdup(\033[4%p1%dm);
+ }
+
/* xterm supports ich1 but some termcaps omit it. */
if (!tty_term_has(term, TTYC_ICH1)) {
term-codes[TTYC_ICH1].type = TTYCODE_STRING;
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Nicholas Marriott wrote: What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux? again, this seems to be a putty specific issue. no problems whatsoever on local terminal. TERM is set to xterm before i run tmux, then it changes to screen. The xterm terminal description does not support colour so tmux does not attempt to use it, use a terminal description that does have it such as xterm-color or xterm-xfree86. This causes problems fora lot of people, I don't think there are any bw xterms out there and recent ncurses does have setaf/setab in its xterm description... so I don't see a reason we shouldn't just have a quirk to override it. Could you try this please? Shouldn't we consider updating our terminfo/termcap too? -d
Re: tmux vs screen questions
Hello, What exactly is tmux? Thanks in advance Wayne
Re: tmux vs screen questions
Yes, I'd like to get it updated but it is a bit fiddly since quite a lot has changed to the latest ncurses and that often includes multiple levels of inheritence between entries. I had a quick look and it seems the latest ncurses adds yet another xterm type, xterm-new, and makes xterm just the same as that. xterm-new inherits from xterm-basic, which we have, but our xterm-basic is not quite the same as the one they use. I'll have a closer look tomorrow and see if I can get it sorted out. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:51:13AM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Nicholas Marriott wrote: What does echo $TERM show before you attach tmux? again, this seems to be a putty specific issue. no problems whatsoever on local terminal. TERM is set to xterm before i run tmux, then it changes to screen. The xterm terminal description does not support colour so tmux does not attempt to use it, use a terminal description that does have it such as xterm-color or xterm-xfree86. This causes problems fora lot of people, I don't think there are any bw xterms out there and recent ncurses does have setaf/setab in its xterm description... so I don't see a reason we shouldn't just have a quirk to override it. Could you try this please? Shouldn't we consider updating our terminfo/termcap too? -d
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 02:15:33AM +, Wayne M. Scace wrote: Hello, What exactly is tmux? man tmux(1) Thanks in advance Wayne
Re: tmux vs screen questions
hmm, on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 09:57:48PM -0500, neal hogan said that On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 02:15:33AM +, Wayne M. Scace wrote: Hello, What exactly is tmux? man tmux(1) that'll work only on -current. hmm. man.cgi doesn't see it either in current. what's going on? -f -- wasting your life is prohibited by the law
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Re: tmux vs screen questions
hmm, on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 01:54:51AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott said that What is copy mode missing? nothing, i just put it on the list what is needed for tmux to dehtrone screen :] I don't understand. What is tmux copy mode missing? it is not missing anything. that was just a list of things i use. how do i bind backspace please? Backspace is a difficult one since it can generate several codes. Try bind dc and bind ^H, if those don't work I'll have a look, tmux doesn't currently look at the kbs terminal cap but maybe it should, although there is no guarantee that is accurate anyway. none of these seems to work. -f -- the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM, frantisek holopmin...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 09:57:48PM -0500, neal hogan said that On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 02:15:33AM +, Wayne M. Scace wrote: Hello, What exactly is tmux? man tmux(1) that'll work only on -current. lynx http://www.google.com/search?q=tmux will work on all versions of OpenBSD.
Re: tmux vs screen questions
Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM, frantisek holopmin...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 09:57:48PM -0500, neal hogan said that On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 02:15:33AM +, Wayne M. Scace wrote: Hello, What exactly is tmux? man tmux(1) that'll work only on -current. lynx http://www.google.com/search?q=tmux will work on all versions of OpenBSD. Or even better: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tmux # Han
Re: tmux vs screen questions
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 02:15:33AM +, Wayne M. Scace wrote: Hello, What exactly is tmux? It's a floor wax...*and* a dessert topping! Thanks in advance Wayne
Re: tmux vs screen questions
Bret S. Lambert wrote: It's a floor wax...*and* a dessert topping! ROFL!! Thanks for the laugh Bret! It's good to see someone else has a sense of humour in this group. Wayne
