EUSecWest Amsterdam 2010 Call For Papers (short deadline May 5 - conf June 16/17)

2010-04-29 Thread Dragos Ruiu
EUSecWest CALL FOR PAPERS

   AMSTERDAM, Nederland -- The sixth annual EUSecWest applied technical
   security conference - where the eminent figures in the international
   security industry will get together share best practices and technology
   - will be held in downtown Amsterdam at the the Melkweg Multimedia
   Center near Leidseplein on June 16/17, 2010. The most significant new
   discoveries about computer network hack attacks and defenses,
   commercial security solutions, and pragmatic real world security
   experience will be presented in a series of informative tutorials.

   The EUSecWest meeting provides international researchers a relaxed,
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Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Bryan  wrote:

>
> > like http://www.kingdomofloathing.com
>
> Great... I just another time sink for work... :)
>
>
Be careful...



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 04:20:34PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:

> But in any event an interesting feature was that a "punishment"
> system was found to be of little value in maintaining a resource,
> and also that "strong control" (eg traditional ownership) was
> no certain guarantee of a resource's good managment.  This is
> of possible interest to BSD vs. GPL3 debate in that the GPL
> licence is intended to "punish" those who break it's rules,
> whereas the BSD licence wastes no time on such a "downside"
> and recognizes only potential for "constructivist" engagement.

that has always been why GPL is less free.

even the GPL people themselves say that code (ideas) are different
than "real" goods.  but then they try to compare the need to protect
real goods (e.g. a home, a life) with the "need" to protect code
(ideas).  you don't really need any fancy research to see the
hypocracy there.

-- 
jake...@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org



ktrace pppd errno 25 Was: pppd- unable to set non-blocking mode

2010-04-29 Thread dave
The first few lines of a ktrace to the pppd process with a umodem 
detected card reveals:

 31129 pppd EMUL  "native"
 31129 pppd RET   nanosleep 0
 31129 pppd CALL  ioctl(0x5,TIOCMBIS,0x7f7eee64)
 31129 pppd RET   ioctl -1 errno 25 Inappropriate ioctl for device

ioctl -1 errno 25 "Inappropriate ioctl for device"

Isn't umodem supposed to make it behave as a tty?  Again this is 
behavior seen on the last two snapshots.  It is not something I have 
seen before...


 Original Message 
Subject: pppd- unable to set non-blocking mode
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:20:07 -0700
From: dave 
To: misc@openbsd.org

Hi there,

For the last two snapshots, I have started receiving the following
output in /var/log/daemon:

Apr 28 06:17:07 puffy pppd[5388]: Couldn't set device to non-blocking
mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device

A search of both @tech and @misc reveals only the suggestion that the
poster's kernel and pppd are out of sync but that is not the case here.

A google search and reading Stevens "Advanced Programming in the Unix
Environment" Terminal IO lead me to believe that a successful connection
to the isp would cause the DCD to be detected and the serial terminal to
be opened with O_RDWR...

I know that output is that is pasted above comes from
/usr/src/usr.sbin/pppd/sys-bsd.c. Unfortuately, I cannot trace the code
using the kdebug 2 option with pppd, so I don't know how to correct the
inappropriate ioctl message.

Pppd still works with this output, but I don't understand what would
have changed; I have not had this output before.  The configuration
files have not changed either.

/var/log/daemon
Apr 28 06:16:55 puffy pppd[5388]: pppd 2.3.5 started by dave, uid 0
Apr 28 06:17:06 puffy pppd[5388]: Serial connection established.
Apr 28 06:17:07 puffy pppd[5388]: Couldn't set device to non-blocking
mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Apr 28 06:17:07 puffy pppd[5388]: Using interface ppp0
Apr 28 06:17:07 puffy pppd[5388]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cuaU0
Apr 28 06:17:07 puffy pppd[5388]: Remote message: Congratulations!
Apr 28 06:17:10 puffy pppd[5388]: local  IP address 166.128.66.34
Apr 28 06:17:10 puffy pppd[5388]: remote IP address 72.215.255.9
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy pppd[5388]: Connection terminated.
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy pppd[5388]: Couldn't restore device fd flags:
Inappropriate ioctl for device
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy pppd[5388]: ioctl(TIOCSETD): Inappropriate ioctl
for device
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy named[18899]: shutting down
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy named[18899]: stopping command channel on
127.0.0.1#953
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy named[18899]: no longer listening on 127.0.0.1#53
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy named[18899]: no longer listening on ::1#53
Apr 28 06:19:37 puffy named[18899]: exiting
Apr 28 06:19:38 puffy pppd[5388]: tcsetattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device

/etc/ppp/peers/umts
cuaU0
921600
:72.215.255.9
noipdefault
defaultroute
crtscts
modem
modem_chat
passive
asyncmap 0
lock
passive
noauth
user i...@cingulargprs.com
connect '/usr/sbin/chat -e -f /etc/ppp/peers/umts.chat'

/etc/ppp/peers/umts.chat
ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO ANSWER" ABORT "NO DIALTONE" ABORT "NO CARRIER"
'' AT
TIMEOUT 30
'' AT+CFUN=1 T+CFUN=1
'' OK
'' '+PACSP0'
'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","isp.cingular","0.0.0.0",0,1'
OK\r\n 'ATDT*99***1#'
\r\n\c
CONNECT \c

I start pppd with the following function:

function pppup {
  if [[ $# -ne 0 ]]; then
echo 'Usage: pppup' >&2
return 2
  fi
  if [[ -n $(netstat -nrf inet | grep default) ]]; then
sudo ifconfig trunk0 down && sudo route -q delete default
  fi
  sudo ifconfig ppp0 create
  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bk
  sudo cp /etc/resolv.localhost /etc/resolv.conf
  sudo named && pppd call umts
}

Here is the dmesg:
OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #225: Tue Apr 27 11:25:08 MDT 2010
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 3177910272 (3030MB)
avail mem = 3079602176 (2936MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (80 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6EET50WW (3.10 )" date 03/16/2010
bios0: LENOVO 2777CTO
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC BOOT ASF! SSDT
TCPA SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) IGBE(S4) EXP0(S4) EXP1(S4)
EXP2(S4) PCI1(S4) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3)
EHC0(S3) EHC1(S3) HDEF(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9600 @ 1.60GHz, 1596.23 MHz
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,XSAVE,NXE,LONG
cpu0: 3MB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9600 @ 1.60GHz, 1596.00 MHz
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,

Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:16:40 +1000
"Rod Whitworth"  wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:20:34 -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:
> 
> Loads of crap. Trying to sound like a philosopher and failing.
> 
> Why don't you piss off to some advocacy list.
> 
> There is no functional difference between a troll and a pseud.
> 
> Don't bother replying: All future mail on this topic >/dev/wanker
> (In case you didn't guess:
> ls -l /dev/null /dev/wanker
> crw-rw-rw-  2 root  wheel2,   2 Apr 30 08:55 /dev/null
> crw-rw-rw-  2 root  wheel2,   2 Apr 30 08:55 /dev/wanker)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I  subscribed to the list.
> Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is 
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> 
> Rod/
> /earth: write failed, file system is full
> cp: /earth/creatures: No space left on device
> 

jus' checkin' on the verity of the forgoing ... ;)

Dhu 



Re: scp speed ffs/fat

2010-04-29 Thread shwegime

I'v just tried again from obsd, and now it goes at 2.3MB/s
Don't know what was on yesterday morning.
Sorry for noise.



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:20:34 -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:

Loads of crap. Trying to sound like a philosopher and failing.

Why don't you piss off to some advocacy list.

There is no functional difference between a troll and a pseud.

Don't bother replying: All future mail on this topic >/dev/wanker
(In case you didn't guess:
ls -l /dev/null /dev/wanker
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  wheel2,   2 Apr 30 08:55 /dev/null
crw-rw-rw-  2 root  wheel2,   2 Apr 30 08:55 /dev/wanker)




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/earth: write failed, file system is full
cp: /earth/creatures: No space left on device



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:57:19 +0200
"Bret S. Lambert"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53:15PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:
> > Howdy List?  
> > 
> > This may, at first blush, seem to be more spam unrelated 
> > to the work of Open BSD.  But it seems to me over the 
> > years one of the major criticisms of the Free/Open software
> > movement has come from classical economics/ecology in the
> 
> Really? I've never seen one that wasn't a press release
> from Microsoft; please to cite your sources.
> 
> > form of Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons.  If we
> > are to believe Hardin's thesis then building something 
> > like a free operating system (or "free" ideas in general)
> > is the essense of pointless vanity.  
> 
> There is no parallel. The tragedy of the commons happens
> because of the overuse of a limited resource; the open
> source software world more closely resembles (in no small
> part because it grew out of) academia; if the tragedy of
> the commons were true for open source software, it would
> be true for universities as well, and humanity would have
> succumbed to gibbering idiocy long ago as human intellect
> was mined to the point of exhaustion.

That argument only falls on imagination not being a finite resource,
but the "market" in which it must subsist is a time/space constrained 
ecology.  


But in any event an interesting feature was that a "punishment"
system was found to be of little value in maintaining a resource,
and also that "strong control" (eg traditional ownership) was
no certain guarantee of a resource's good managment.  This is
of possible interest to BSD vs. GPL3 debate in that the GPL
licence is intended to "punish" those who break it's rules,
whereas the BSD licence wastes no time on such a "downside"
and recognizes only potential for "constructivist" engagement.

Also interesting is that the only way this common governance
breaks down is when people do not adhere to rules they've 
made/agreed to.

> 
> Now, since you have a magical thinking box that you're
> using to communicate with a large number of people
> automagically over the intertruck (itself something that
> would've been subject to the aforementioned process),
> the assertion is rather rediculous on its face, and ignores
> the fundamental difference between the two areas: human
> knowledge is entirely additive, whereas physical resources
> are consumed in some manner. You take an idea, and it's
> still there for someone else; you take a fish, and you've
> fucked somebody else out of their dinner.
> 
> It's a false analogy, and I need something better
> *cough*girlfriend*cough* to do with my evenings.
> 
> > 
> > But here:
> > 
> > http://www.physorg.com/news191765285.html
> > 
> > we have a games model showing that resources managed by
> > a communicant group are not necessarily exploited to
> > extinction.  Interestingly the ability to impose 
> > sanctions in the form of fines for overexploitation
> > did not appear to enhance resource productivity, 
> > only the ability to make ongoing agreements about 
> > constructive action appear to have mattered.
> > 
> > If you think this is "off topic" and irrelevant to 
> > misc at openbsd org please accept my apologies and
> > press delete now ;-)
> > 
> > Dhu



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Bryan
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:13, Ted Roby  wrote:

> In my opinion, Hooray!
> I've experienced this phenomenon through games
> like http://www.kingdomofloathing.com
>
>

Great... I just another time sink for work... :)



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:57:19 +0200
"Bret S. Lambert"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53:15PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:
> > Howdy List?  
> > 
> > This may, at first blush, seem to be more spam unrelated 
> > to the work of Open BSD.  But it seems to me over the 
> > years one of the major criticisms of the Free/Open software
> > movement has come from classical economics/ecology in the
> 
> Really? I've never seen one that wasn't a press release
> from Microsoft; please to cite your sources.
> 
> > form of Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons.  If we
> > are to believe Hardin's thesis then building something 
> > like a free operating system (or "free" ideas in general)
> > is the essense of pointless vanity.  
> 
> There is no parallel. The tragedy of the commons happens
> because of the overuse of a limited resource; the open
> source software world more closely resembles (in no small
> part because it grew out of) academia; if the tragedy of
> the commons were true for open source software, it would
> be true for universities as well, and humanity would have
> succumbed to gibbering idiocy long ago as human intellect
> was mined to the point of exhaustion.
> 
> Now, since you have a magical thinking box that you're
> using to communicate with a large number of people
> automagically over the intertruck (itself something that
> would've been subject to the aforementioned process),
> the assertion is rather rediculous on its face, and ignores
> the fundamental difference between the two areas: human
> knowledge is entirely additive, whereas physical resources
> are consumed in some manner. You take an idea, and it's
> still there for someone else; you take a fish, and you've
> fucked somebody else out of their dinner.

Not so: ideas have an ecological context that limits
their economic applicability in both space and time...  
stealing an idea and "taking it to market" first amounts 
to using someone's "better hook" to catch all the fish ...

> 
> It's a false analogy, and I need something better
> *cough*girlfriend*cough* to do with my evenings.

Don't we all ;-)

Dhu

> 
> > 
> > But here:
> > 
> > http://www.physorg.com/news191765285.html
> > 
> > we have a games model showing that resources managed by
> > a communicant group are not necessarily exploited to
> > extinction.  Interestingly the ability to impose 
> > sanctions in the form of fines for overexploitation
> > did not appear to enhance resource productivity, 
> > only the ability to make ongoing agreements about 
> > constructive action appear to have mattered.
> > 
> > If you think this is "off topic" and irrelevant to 
> > misc at openbsd org please accept my apologies and
> > press delete now ;-)
> > 
> > Dhu



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Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53:15PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote:
> Howdy List?  
> 
> This may, at first blush, seem to be more spam unrelated 
> to the work of Open BSD.  But it seems to me over the 
> years one of the major criticisms of the Free/Open software
> movement has come from classical economics/ecology in the

Really? I've never seen one that wasn't a press release
from Microsoft; please to cite your sources.

> form of Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons.  If we
> are to believe Hardin's thesis then building something 
> like a free operating system (or "free" ideas in general)
> is the essense of pointless vanity.  

There is no parallel. The tragedy of the commons happens
because of the overuse of a limited resource; the open
source software world more closely resembles (in no small
part because it grew out of) academia; if the tragedy of
the commons were true for open source software, it would
be true for universities as well, and humanity would have
succumbed to gibbering idiocy long ago as human intellect
was mined to the point of exhaustion.

Now, since you have a magical thinking box that you're
using to communicate with a large number of people
automagically over the intertruck (itself something that
would've been subject to the aforementioned process),
the assertion is rather rediculous on its face, and ignores
the fundamental difference between the two areas: human
knowledge is entirely additive, whereas physical resources
are consumed in some manner. You take an idea, and it's
still there for someone else; you take a fish, and you've
fucked somebody else out of their dinner.

It's a false analogy, and I need something better
*cough*girlfriend*cough* to do with my evenings.

> 
> But here:
> 
> http://www.physorg.com/news191765285.html
> 
> we have a games model showing that resources managed by
> a communicant group are not necessarily exploited to
> extinction.  Interestingly the ability to impose 
> sanctions in the form of fines for overexploitation
> did not appear to enhance resource productivity, 
> only the ability to make ongoing agreements about 
> constructive action appear to have mattered.
> 
> If you think this is "off topic" and irrelevant to 
> misc at openbsd org please accept my apologies and
> press delete now ;-)
> 
> Dhu



Re: Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Ted Roby
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell <
campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.physorg.com/news191765285.html
>
>
My initial reading of this causes me to think
these test results are in favor of Decentralization.

How political do you want to get on this board?

In my opinion, Hooray!
I've experienced this phenomenon through games
like http://www.kingdomofloathing.com



Research Affecting "Creative Commons"

2010-04-29 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
Howdy List?  

This may, at first blush, seem to be more spam unrelated 
to the work of Open BSD.  But it seems to me over the 
years one of the major criticisms of the Free/Open software
movement has come from classical economics/ecology in the
form of Garrett Hardin's Tragedy of the Commons.  If we
are to believe Hardin's thesis then building something 
like a free operating system (or "free" ideas in general)
is the essense of pointless vanity.  

But here:

http://www.physorg.com/news191765285.html

we have a games model showing that resources managed by
a communicant group are not necessarily exploited to
extinction.  Interestingly the ability to impose 
sanctions in the form of fines for overexploitation
did not appear to enhance resource productivity, 
only the ability to make ongoing agreements about 
constructive action appear to have mattered.

If you think this is "off topic" and irrelevant to 
misc at openbsd org please accept my apologies and
press delete now ;-)

Dhu



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac

Lars Nooden wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac wrote:

Tks. This info is very important to me 'cause my disk sucks,


Look at the manual page for mount_mfs(8) and the option -P you can 
load a directory and the files in it into memory.


and i'll have to create some tables that will be "hitted" very often 
in my ruleset.


What are planning on adding to the tables?  There may be another way 
to add addresses to the tables.


/Lars
Just list of IPs, and maybe some ports list, but this is not defined 
yet. But the table will not be updated very often. In fact, the 
"how-to-update-the-table" question was just an academic curiosity. I 
readed on the manual that are ways to add content "on the fly" in tables 
through the firewall, but i don't have this need yet.




Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Lars Nooden

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac wrote:

Tks. This info is very important to me 'cause my disk sucks,


Look at the manual page for mount_mfs(8) and the option -P you can 
load a directory and the files in it into memory.


and i'll have to create some tables that will be "hitted" very often in 
my ruleset.


What are planning on adding to the tables?  There may be another way to 
add addresses to the tables.


/Lars



Re: scp speed ffs/fat

2010-04-29 Thread shwegime
I've just tried to issue the same command from linux double booted on the 
same machine, and it gives me this speed:

2.4MB/s



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac

Otto Moerbeek wrote:

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:15:08AM -0300, Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac wrote:
  

this file in memory or does it read from the disk for every packet?


Neither. The addresses are loaded in kernel memory via pfctl.

-Otto
  
Tks. This info is very important to me 'cause my disk sucks, and i'll 
have to create some tables that will be "hitted" very often in my ruleset.

Tks for the infos.



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac

Gregory Edigarov wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:15:08 -0300
Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac  wrote:

  

Hello everyone.

I have a table in my pf.conf:

table  persist const file "/etc/pf.conf.d/ips_allowed"

If I add or remove IPs from this file mannualy, will the firewall be 
aware of such changes or do i need to reload pf? Also, pf do map this 
file in memory or does it read from the disk for every packet?


Tks in advance and sorry for my poor english



Please read the manual page.
you will need to do something like:

pfctl -Treplace -tips_allowed

in order to reload your table 
  

Hi Gregory and others,

I have read the documentation and i was aware that i can reload just the 
table instead the hole firewall, what i did not know was if pf could 
"sense" the changes in the file.


But tks for the tips anyway.



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac  writes:

> If I add or remove IPs from this file mannualy, will the firewall be
> aware of such changes or do i need to reload pf? 

You can check what actually happens easily after editing the file by
comparing the output of

$ sudo pfctl -t ips_allowed -T show

with the contents of the file, but the shorter answer is: No.  You
will need to reload table contents, with a command like 

$ sudo pfctl -t ips_allowed -T replace -f /etc/pf.conf.d/ips_allowed

> Also, pf do map this file in memory or does it read from the disk
> for every packet?

Tables sourced from files are held in memory, and rule set evaluation
in most cases is not triggered as long as an arriving packet matches a
pre-existing state.

My own take on basic table operations are up at
http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/tables.html, the PF User 
Guide (aka The PF FAQ) has a tables section at
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/tables.html (and your friendly
neighborhood mirror)

- Peter

-- 
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http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
"Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic"
delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:15:08AM -0300, Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> 
> I have a table in my pf.conf:
> 
> table  persist const file "/etc/pf.conf.d/ips_allowed"
> 
> If I add or remove IPs from this file mannualy, will the firewall be
> aware of such changes or do i need to reload pf? Also, pf do map

You need to reload. Check the man page.

> this file in memory or does it read from the disk for every packet?

Neither. The addresses are loaded in kernel memory via pfctl.

-Otto



Re: Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:15:08 -0300
Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac  wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> 
> I have a table in my pf.conf:
> 
> table  persist const file "/etc/pf.conf.d/ips_allowed"
> 
> If I add or remove IPs from this file mannualy, will the firewall be 
> aware of such changes or do i need to reload pf? Also, pf do map this 
> file in memory or does it read from the disk for every packet?
> 
> Tks in advance and sorry for my poor english

Please read the manual page.
you will need to do something like:

pfctl -Treplace -tips_allowed

in order to reload your table 
-- 
With best regards,
Gregory Edigarov



Questions about tables on pf

2010-04-29 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac

Hello everyone.

I have a table in my pf.conf:

table  persist const file "/etc/pf.conf.d/ips_allowed"

If I add or remove IPs from this file mannualy, will the firewall be 
aware of such changes or do i need to reload pf? Also, pf do map this 
file in memory or does it read from the disk for every packet?


Tks in advance and sorry for my poor english
--
Leonardo Carneiro



Re: scp speed ffs/fat

2010-04-29 Thread shwegime

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Claudio Jeker wrote:


On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 08:50:45PM -0400, Brad Tilley wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:09 +0800, shweg...@gmail.com wrote:

Transfering a file using scp into my home directory gives me this speed
(home netword): 658.8KB/s
while copying it directly into a usb stick (fat32) gives me this: 1.5MB/s

is it normal?


scp is encrypted and traveling across your network. Those things will
impact transfer speeds.



This does not realy matter here since using a usb stick gives double the
performance. The encryption overhead is not much of an issue these days
unless you run on a sparc, m68k or another system with 2 digit MHz speed.
Now if a dmesg would have been included we would know more. I blame it on
the disk or actually missing UDMA.

--
:wq Claudio



thanks for replying, it's a thinkpad x200

this is my dmesg:

OpenBSD 4.6 (GENERIC.MP) #89: Thu Jul  9 21:32:39 MDT 2009
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz ("GenuineIntel" 
686-class) 2.27 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,

VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR
real mem  = 3176427520 (3029MB)
avail mem = 3076603904 (2934MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 05/18/09, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdc80, 
SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (68 entries)

bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6DET53WW (3.03 )" date 05/18/2009
bios0: LENOVO 7457AC1
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC BOOT ASF! SSDT TCPA 
DMAR SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) IGBE(S4) EXP0(S4) EXP1(S4) 
EXP2(S4) EXP3(S4) USB0(S3) USB3(S3) USB5(S3) EHC0(S3) EHC1(S3) HDEF(S4)

acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 266MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz ("GenuineIntel" 
686-class) 2.27 GHz
cpu1: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,

VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (AGP_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP0)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (EXP1)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (EXP2)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP3)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpipwrres0 at acpi0: PUBS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 127 degC
acpitz1 at acpi0: critical temperature 104 degC
acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID_
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model "42T4646" serial  4612 type LION oem "SANYO"
acpibat1 at acpi0: BAT1 not present
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit offline
acpithinkpad0 at acpi0
acpidock0 at acpi0: GDCK not docked (0)
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1! 0xd/0x1000 0xd1000/0x1000 
0xd2000/0x1000 0xde000/0x1800! 0xe/0x1

cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2262 MHz: speeds: 2267, 2266, 1600, 800 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel GM45 Host" rev 0x07
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel GM45 Video" rev 0x07
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11)
drm0 at inteldrm0
"Intel GM45 Video" rev 0x07 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
"Intel GM45 HECI" rev 0x07 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 not configured
pciide0 at pci0 dev 3 function 2 "Intel GM45 PT IDER" rev 0x07: DMA 
(unsupported), channel 0 wired to native-PCI, channel 1 wired to 
native-PCI

pciide0: using apic 1 int 18 (irq 11) for native-PCI interrupt
pciide0: channel 0 ignored (not responding; disabled or no drives?)
pciide0: channel 1 ignored (not responding; disabled or no drives?)
"Intel GM45 AMT SOL" rev 0x07 at pci0 dev 3 function 3 not configured
em0 at pci0 dev 25 function 0 "Intel ICH9 IGP M AMT" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 
20 (irq 11), address 00:1f:16:1f:da:e3
uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 
(irq 11)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 26 function 1 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21 
(irq 11)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 26 function 2 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 22 
(irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 7 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 23 
(irq 11)

usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801I HD Audio" rev 0x03: apic 1 
int 17 (irq 11)

azalia0: codecs: Conexant CX20561
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801I PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 
(irq 11)

pci1 a

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No ACPI battery/ac status readings on a ASUS UL30A laptop.

2010-04-29 Thread Torbjørn H . Orskaug
Hi misc!

I just got one of these babies as a present and put OpenBSD on it
right away. Everything seems to be running smoothly, with the single
exception of battery and ac status readings in apm(8):

Battery state: absent, 0% remaining, unknown life estimate
A/C adapter state: not known
Performance adjustment mode: auto (1300 MHz)

If however, I remove and reattach the battery, it's status is there in
all it's glory. I've poked around in acpibat.c and acpiac.c but my
experience with ACPI is pretty limited and I can't really make much
sense of it (yet). Has anyone else experienced this problem? Are there
any obvious things I can try to get things working? I'm currently
building a kernel with ACPI_DEBUG defined to see if I can get some
more information on what's going on.

dmesg:
OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #557: Tue Apr 27 00:36:31 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Genuine Intel(R) CPU U7300 @ 1.30GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.34 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,XSAVE
real mem  = 3184717824 (3037MB)
avail mem = 3089928192 (2946MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/28/09, BIOS32 rev. 0 @
0xf0010, SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0xfcce0 (41 entries)
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "212" date 12/28/2009
bios0: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. UL30A
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG SLIC ECDT DBGP BOOT OEMB HPET GSCI SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB5(S3) EUSB(S3)
USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB6(S3) USBE(S3) HDAC(S3) P0P1(S3) P0P3(S3)
P0P5(S3) P0P6(S3) P0P7(S4) LAN_(S4) GLAN(S4) P0P8(S3) SLPB(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 205MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Genuine Intel(R) CPU U7300 @ 1.30GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.34 GHz
cpu1: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,XSAVE
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (P0P2)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (P0P7)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 100 degC
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit in unknown state
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 not present
acpibtn0 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibtn1 at acpi0: LID_
acpivideo0 at acpi0: VGA_
acpivout0 at acpivideo0: CRTD
acpivout1 at acpivideo0: LCDD
acpivout2 at acpivideo0: HDMI
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xfe00!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1339 MHz: speeds: 1300, 800 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel GM45 Host" rev 0x07
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel GM45 Video" rev 0x07
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 2 int 16 (irq 10)
drm0 at inteldrm0
"Intel GM45 Video" rev 0x07 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 16 (irq 10)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 26 function 1 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 21 (irq 7)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 26 function 2 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 19 (irq 3)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 7 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 18 (irq 6)
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801I HD Audio" rev 0x03:
apic 2 int 22 (irq 4)
azalia0: codecs: Realtek ALC269, Intel/0x2802, using Realtek ALC269
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801I PCIE" rev 0x03
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801I PCIE" rev 0x03
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
athn0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Atheros AR9285" rev 0x01: apic 2 int
17 (irq 5), address 1c:4b:d6:ba:b3:4b
athn0: AR9285 rev 2 (1T1R), ROM rev 13
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 5 "Intel 82801I PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 17 (irq 5)
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
alc0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Attansic Technology L2C" rev 0xc0: apic
2 int 17 (irq 5), address 48:5b:39:3f:2b:f0
atphy0 at alc0 phy 0: F1 10/100/1000 PHY, rev. 11
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 23 (irq 10)
uhci4 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 19 (irq 3)
uhci5 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 18 (irq 6)
ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801I USB" rev 0x03: apic 2
int 23 (irq 10)
usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb3 

Re: ftp issue

2010-04-29 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
 writes:

> In my rc.conf.local, i added these 2 lines
> ftpproxy_flags=""
> ftpproxy_flags="-R 172.17.2.21 -p 21 -b 10.10.10.10"

That way you set the variable twice, only the last one is actually used.

> Is it good ? (my ftp server is 172.17.2.21 and Ext_IP : 10.10.10.10")
> At reboot, i have only 1 ftp-proxy started, is it normal?

Yes, if you want two separate proxies, you need to run the second on
some other port and with a separate set of startup options.  Keep the
ftpproxy_flags="" part in your rc.conf.local, but put the magic for
the second one in rc.local much like you would for any non-default
daemon, and adjust the pf rules so the traffic hits the relevant proxy
and the back end.

- P
-- 
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http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
"Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic"
delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.



Re: confused about updating -current

2010-04-29 Thread trustlevel-two
If you use a snapshot you'll be very close to current and

--- On Thu, 29/4/10, Jacob Meuser  wrote:

> From: Jacob Meuser 
> Subject: Re: confused about updating -current
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Date: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 2:59
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 05:05:06PM
> -0500, Chris Bennett wrote:
> > A while back on some thread, someone said that they
> ran -current
> > versions for a long while, updating ports tree for
> that snapshot and
> > could "run" with that particular -current as long as
> they liked by
> > adding packages as needed by building with that ports
> snapshot,
> > rather than using a later ports tree or packages.
> >
> > This seems like it could be a good way to jump forward
> but not need
> > to constantly update even if a new package is needed,
> since ports
> > tree holds proper builds for that snapshot at that
> time.
> >

If you run current you will likely have very few problems running any packages
you like apart from temporary problems due to being in the middle of ongoing
changes but may have to be prepared to resync and try again.

If you run a snapshot or current without keeping up then you may be able to
get it to work with a particular package for a few months, years or just a few
days/hours but you may be able to add libraries etc to buy time. This is not
supported because the consequences would be complicated, cannot be checked and
possibly only known to a particular developer, but may work for you.

If you run stable, everything in the stable ports tree should work fine and
more of it is being kept upto date. I heard 4.7 will likely keep firefox upto
date :-). Server packages such as postgresql are more likely to be kept upto
date.

If you jump from stable to current/snapshot and the upgrade guide isn't out
yet, you may find your pf.conf needs updating, or other problems etc.

www.openbsd.org/plus47.html may help you here but will never be as clear as
the upgrade guide.

It is easy to see what versions packages are at in cvs web or snapshot folders
etc. I'm not sure if you can in stable aside from by building the port?



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Re: Printing schemas

2010-04-29 Thread David Coppa
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Ed Ahlsen-Girard  wrote:

> I'm looking specifically ay how to print to a USB printer that is
> hanging off an XP box.

cups + samba will do what you want.

For a little howto, have a look at:

http://vext01.blogspot.com/2009/11/setting-up-printer-on-openbsd-and-cups.html

cheers,
David