Re: simple question about ppp
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote: I have been struggling to figure out how to make ppp initiate negotiation unsuccessfully. Can someone help me with a simple ppp.conf that does a 'set device !/path/to/some/prog' that will initiate negotiation? I have a prog that waits for input from stdin and logs any input into a /tmp/logfile, but ppp doesn't seem to be spitting anything out. When I type dial at the ppp-prompt the prog is executed but ppp isn't sending it any data. A simple ppp.conf and command line ppp invocation and any ppp commands at the ppp-prompt would be most helpful. A kind soul replied privately and gave me a very bare-bones example that helped me figure out my mistake. I've been messing with different ppp.conf settings for three evenings now. I started out reading ppp.conf.sample, and I misunderstood the sample section with ssh and was using openmode passive. The comment Passive mode allows ssh plenty of time to establish the connection threw me off. I read it to mean gives the program enough time to establish connection with peer before ppp starts doing its thing. The man page is very clear about this option, however. Thank you again! --patrick
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On Fri, 13.08.2010 at 14:36:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: What do people think of monit. Ok, I'll chime in: What do people think of Zenoss and splunk? I'm so far leaning twoards trying Zenoss, but it surely has a high barrier-of-entry, and I'm only interested in splunk for comparison. Kind regards, --Toni++
Re: Web hosting, restrict user to access only his folder
If you have already setup each user in /etc/ftpchroot, then it sounds like you haven't set the home directories correctly in the user accounts. On 2010-08-13, open...@e-solutions.re open...@e-solutions.re wrote: Hi, I installed OpenBSD 4.7 for web hosting (test). So i have 3 websites for 3 users (1 site per user) : www.first.xx (user : firstxx) www.2nd.xx (user : 2ndxx) www.third.xx (user : thirdxx) All web pages are stored in /var/www/domains/ So in /var/www/domains we have 3 folders : www.first.xx folder (owner : firstxx ; chmod 755) www.2nd.xx folder (owner : 2ndxx ; chmod 755) www.third.xx folder (owner : thirdxx ; chmod 755) i used ftpd (-4Dln) for users to upload their website(with /etc/ftpchroot configured). My problem, user can see content of others. For example, 2ndxx can update his folder but he can see also the content of firstxx folder. How can i restrict that ? thank's.
Re: OBSD 4.7 and Via C7 motherboards problem
On 2010-08-13, Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote: Hi Stuart, thanks for the idea. On Thu, 12.08.2010 at 12:09:02 +, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: Guessing based on very little information, but they probably have different BIOSes. Unfortunately, as I just hear, the manufacturer dropped support for these machines. My supplier also only learnt it when he asked the manufacturer for a new BIOS version. If they are indeed different bios versions (you can probably tell from the dmesg lines that you do see, as the BIOS version is printed quite early), and you can get something that can run flashrom booted on them, you can extract bios from a working one and flash it to a non-working one... (double-check they are the same motherboard though). Flashrom can work on OpenBSD but you'll need a patch to pciutils to use it, or it may be easier to boot some other os. Having said that, what is the current common wisdom for reliable small CPE boxes that are reliable enough to be safely upgraded remotely, and will be safe to upgrade for several upcoming releases? Alix? X7SLA? Depends totally what you're looking for...
Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. On 2010-08-12, Paul Pruett ppru...@webengr.com wrote: Was wondering if anyone else has recently tried the teamspeak3 server using the freesbsd (x86) beta server for download on an openbsd with freebsd kernel emulation? -tia.
Re: Web hosting, restrict user to access only his folder
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, open...@e-solutions.re wrote: i used ftpd (-4Dln) for users to upload ... You may wish to reconsider that and use sshd's built in chroot with sftp. Easier to set up and use. A lot of people 'ask' for FTP by name meaning a generic way to up load. Even lame clients like Filezilla work with SFTP. /Lars
Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
On 14 August 2010 10:46, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. Hi Stuart, I'm just curious is that because of limitations in our freebsd compatibility layer? Sevan
Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
On 2010-08-14, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:46, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. Hi Stuart, I'm just curious is that because of limitations in our freebsd compatibility layer? It's even less maintained than the linux one (and there's very little point in doing so; most things you might run as a binary are going to be available for Linux in either the same or a newer version as FreeBSD).
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On 2010-08-14, Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote: On Fri, 13.08.2010 at 14:36:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: What do people think of monit. Ok, I'll chime in: What do people think of Zenoss and splunk? I haven't looked at splunk, but zenoss looks fiddly to install on OpenBSD, they provide a mega-tarball including tar.gz of all dependencies which they expect you to use. On OS which are fully-supported by the various projects I see some benefit from this (though I think it's still a pain), it's really annoying on OS where you really want to use packages for the dependencies which are already tested and have had various portability problems fixed. (freeswitch has a similar problem and this is one of the main reasons why there is no freeswitch port; it's even worse for zenoss as they repackage even more pointless stuff; python, rrdtool, gettext, glib, pixman, ...). I'm occasionally working on a port of icinga which looks quite interesting (forked from nagios a while ago, it's still compatible but has diverged quite a bit now - many problems have been fixed and improvements made, in particular the UI has been totally replaced). Would have been done sooner, but despite its general crappiness and the many improvements that could be made, nagios actually works surprisingly well... OpenNMS also looks pretty interesting, but unless they've worked around it by now, it doesn't work with snmpd(8) due to PR 6071.
Re: hp6930p insane acpitz1 and non working keyboard after halt -p
I got a laptop that has these issues, thanks everybody for the donations. I am in the process of writing a driver for this machine and hence haven't sent it to theo yet. This will be resolved as fast as we can get to it. /marco On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:36:42PM +0200, Henrik Hellerstedt wrote: I donated when Marco asked for cash to hp laptops , not much, but something... Anyway, I can live with the problem, since suspend/resume works well :) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 16:35, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: My HP 6939p behaves a bit strange, I asked for donation HP machines a few times, for myself and a few other ACPI developers. Only one person replied and it is going to take a few weeks to get the machine to me. So we can't help you. Good luck fixing your own bug, all of you HP owners.
Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010-08-14, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:46, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. Hi Stuart, I'm just curious is that because of limitations in our freebsd compatibility layer? It's even less maintained than the linux one (and there's very little point in doing so; most things you might run as a binary are going to be available for Linux in either the same or a newer version as FreeBSD). You don't get sound in linux emulation right? I could never make sound work --Siju
Re: MTA choice
Dave Anderson wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Dave Anderson wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote: sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain, all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver. You imply that sendmail is _only_ fine for such limited uses, which is certainly not true in my experience; I'm curious as to why you believe this. please don't try to put words in my mouth, it makes you look stupid. at no point did i say what you claim i 'implied' i.e. that it is the *only* use case, you assume too much. Implication is, by definition, about what you _didn't_ explicitly say. In the context of this thread, the implication seems quite clear to me -- but since it isn't what you intended, there's no reason for further discussion of it. it's a good thing you're doing whatever you're doing now because you'd make a terrible mathematician: i say 'item A is used for task A' you say 'your statement implies that item A is not suitable for task B or any other task besides task A' i say 'you are fucking retarded because that is not an implication of my original statement. usage is not a 1-to-1 mapping and a given item may be used many different ways' you say 'i define implication however the hell i want and live in a fantasy land, k thx bye'
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Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
On 2010/08/14 19:18, Siju George wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010-08-14, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:46, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. Hi Stuart, I'm just curious is that because of limitations in our freebsd compatibility layer? It's even less maintained than the linux one (and there's very little point in doing so; most things you might run as a binary are going to be available for Linux in either the same or a newer version as FreeBSD). You don't get sound in linux emulation right? I could never make sound work Never tried, the only thing I've ever wanted it for is softmaker office.
Re: anyone tried the freebsd version of teamspeak3 with the freebsd emulation?
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 07:08:18PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010/08/14 19:18, Siju George wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010-08-14, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:46, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: no, but in general you want to use Linux emulation not FreeBSD emulation. also, if it's threaded software, use GENERIC not GENERIC.MP. Hi Stuart, I'm just curious is that because of limitations in our freebsd compatibility layer? It's even less maintained than the linux one (and there's very little point in doing so; most things you might run as a binary are going to be available for Linux in either the same or a newer version as FreeBSD). You don't get sound in linux emulation right? I could never make sound work Never tried, the only thing I've ever wanted it for is softmaker office. there is OSSv3 emulation for linux binaries. it works as well as using libossaudio. i.e. there is no sndio/aucat integration, so there is no concurrent access support, there is no resampling, and format/channel conversions are limited. to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with people thinking it doesn't exist or doesn't work enough to be useful. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:08:57 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: I'm occasionally working on a port of icinga which looks quite interesting (forked from nagios a while ago, it's still compatible but has diverged quite a bit now - many problems have been fixed and improvements made, in particular the UI has been totally replaced). Would have been done sooner, but despite its general crappiness and the many improvements that could be made, nagios actually works surprisingly well... There's another fork of Nagios - http://opsview.com/ - which looks they gets huge list of enterprise users (just checking the web only). jirib
Re: MTA choice
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:31:49 -0400 Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: Qmail is best-known among everyone equipped with sufficient experience as the cause of numerous operational issues and a fair amount of abuse thanks to a number of very poor design and implementation decisions. Many of these have been discussed over the year in exhaustive detail on the appropriate mailing lists and newsgroups. Anyone who isn't fully aware of this simply hasn't been paying attention. ---Rsk I suppose your also aware of the sites that show that much of this rhetoric is complete bullshit, these happen to back it up with fact rather than making sweeping unsupported or incorrect statements. I asked you for examples, give me an example that isn't covered by the spamcontrol patch at fehcom.de. One thing which is debateable for hours is smtp connections and verps which is why an rfc can't be decided upon (performance (for spammers too) vs functionality). qmail has taught other MTAs far more than any other MTA has taught qmail.
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On 15 August 2010 00:16, Jiri B. ji...@live.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:08:57 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: I'm occasionally working on a port of icinga which looks quite interesting (forked from nagios a while ago, it's still compatible but has diverged quite a bit now - many problems have been fixed and improvements made, in particular the UI has been totally replaced). Would have been done sooner, but despite its general crappiness and the many improvements that could be made, nagios actually works surprisingly well... There's another fork of Nagios - http://opsview.com/ - which looks they gets huge list of enterprise users (just checking the web only). jirib Don't even bother to try - it's basically just a shitty web-frontend for nagios. It does not sort any of it's problems, and brings new ones. Did i mention it's shit and brings a lot of configuration and performance pain? Our monitoring solutions team wanted to switch to it from nagios (after all the pain of going to nagios from BigBrother), thanks god we've convinced them not to do that. But it does have nice support. -- The best the little guy can do is what the little guy does right
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
Friends who are using splunk strictly as a logger liked it. We had hell of a lot of pain implementing 4.0. They don't understand the concept of dropping privs, so it has to run as root. My company does not allow the non-os team to have root. So endless fucking around with permissions and hey unix team, can you please do this so that we can continue troubleshooting. And to top that, 4.0 through about 4.09 were feature *and* bug rich. They have agents which have to be installed and upgraded manually each time. Few hundred servers and that starts to get a bit old. And sux on aix (ok, that's our fault - the asshole who bought it bought a p520 instead of a x86 box. Before a solution/product was even finalized). And some kind of buffer overflow issue which I think is fixed now. So, if you're looking for something to sit on 512 and other assorted ports to receive logs, and index them, and give you a pretty interface to do searches on non-normalized data on linux, splunk's pretty nice. If you need to use some of their additional features (agents, etc) test it out first before doing it. Fortunately, you can get an annual 500meg/day license for free by just asking. On 8/14/10, Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote: On Fri, 13.08.2010 at 14:36:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: What do people think of monit. Ok, I'll chime in: What do people think of Zenoss and splunk? I'm so far leaning twoards trying Zenoss, but it surely has a high barrier-of-entry, and I'm only interested in splunk for comparison. Kind regards, --Toni++ -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Use of -n flag with rdate on Sun V100 with latest snapshots give Bus error (core dumped) and do not work
In trying the latest snapshots on sparc64 servers, so far 3 of them all give me the same errors. I can't use the -n flag anymore with rdate as before. It worked on 4.7 and before. Not sure of the exact date it stop working. Any suggestions? Best, Daniel Example: # rdate -pcv ptbtime1.ptb.de Sat Aug 14 20:29:05 EDT 2010 rdate: adjust local clock by 24 seconds # rdate -pncv ptbtime1.ptb.de Bus error (core dumped) # rdate -pcv ptbtime1.ptb.de Sat Aug 14 20:29:10 EDT 2010 rdate: adjust local clock by 24 seconds # dmesg OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC) #85: Mon Aug 9 12:05:43 MDT 2010 dera...@sparc64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc64/compile/GENERIC real mem = 536870912 (512MB) avail mem = 515072000 (491MB) mainbus0 at root: Sun Fire V100 (UltraSPARC-IIe 548MHz) cpu0 at mainbus0: SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIe (rev 3.3) @ 548 MHz cpu0: physical 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 512K external (64 b/l) psycho0 at mainbus0: SUNW,sabre, impl 0, version 0, ign 7c0 psycho0: bus range 0-0, PCI bus 0 psycho0: dvma map 6000-7fff pci0 at psycho0 ebus0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Acer Labs M1533 ISA rev 0x00 dma at ebus0 addr 0- ivec 0x2a not configured rtc0 at ebus0 addr 70-71: m5819 power0 at ebus0 addr 2000-2007 ivec 0x23 lom0 at ebus0 addr 8010-8011 ivec 0x2a: LOMlite2 rev 3.12 com0 at ebus0 addr 3f8-3ff ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com0: console com1 at ebus0 addr 2e8-2ef ivec 0x2b: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo flashprom at ebus0 addr 0-7 not configured alipm0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Acer Labs M7101 Power rev 0x00: 74KHz clock iic0 at alipm0 max1617 at alipm0 addr 0x18 skipped due to alipm0 bugs spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x57: 512MB SDRAM registered ECC PC133CL2 dc0 at pci0 dev 12 function 0 Davicom DM9102 rev 0x31: ivec 0x7c6, address 00:03:ba:85:a1:c3 amphy0 at dc0 phy 1: DM9102 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 dc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Davicom DM9102 rev 0x31: ivec 0x7dc, address 00:03:ba:85:a1:c4 amphy1 at dc1 phy 1: DM9102 10/100 PHY, rev. 0 ohci0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 Acer Labs M5237 USB rev 0x03: ivec 0x7e4, version 1.0, legacy support pciide0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 Acer Labs M5229 UDMA IDE rev 0xc3: DMA, channel 0 configured to native-PCI, channel 1 configured to native-PCI pciide0: using ivec 0x7cc for native-PCI interrupt pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) wd0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0: ST340014A wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 38166MB, 78165360 sectors atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 1 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: TEAC, CD-224E, P.9A ATAPI 5/cdrom removable wd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 cd0(pciide0:1:1): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 Acer Labs OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 softraid0 at root bootpath: /p...@1f,0/i...@d,0/d...@2,0 root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b
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Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On 15 August 2010 01:06, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2010/08/14 23:59, Eugene Yunak wrote: On 15 August 2010 00:16, Jiri B. ji...@live.com wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:08:57 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: I'm occasionally working on a port of icinga which looks quite interesting (forked from nagios a while ago, it's still compatible but has diverged quite a bit now - many problems have been fixed and improvements made, in particular the UI has been totally replaced). Would have been done sooner, but despite its general crappiness and the many improvements that could be made, nagios actually works surprisingly well... There's another fork of Nagios - http://opsview.com/ - which looks they gets huge list of enterprise users (just checking the web only). jirib Don't even bother to try - it's basically just a shitty web-frontend for nagios. It does not sort any of it's problems, and brings new ones. Did i mention it's shit and brings a lot of configuration and performance pain? heh, it wouldn't be the first time... icinga looks quite a different thing, they do actually appear to be improving things. Sorry for the confusion, i was talking about opsview. As to icinga, i haven;t tried it myself but heard some positive feedback from a colleague of mine. -- The best the little guy can do is what the little guy does right
Re: which monitoring do you use (on OpenBSD)
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:07:53PM +0200, Jiri B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:05:51 -0400 Jason Dixon ja...@dixongroup.net wrote: http://omniti.com/video/noit-oscon-demo Sorry no flash :) Some screenshots should be sufficient for this products, interesting is there are no screenshots except that architecture picture. Here's a quick one I just grabbed. We don't actively use Reconnoiter these days as much as we do Circonus. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78527...@n00/4892326857/ Does it have some event console? So an operator can watch it 24x7 and see if something goes wrong and do a repair action? It has support for alerting in stratcon (iirc), but no fault detection functionality is exposed in Reconnoiter's current web UI. It's nice it can act as snmp trap daemon... A lot of SAN devices have SNMP and Vmware ESXes can make good monitoring via SNMP as well. In our enterprise environment we have huge operators centers which watch 24x7 Tivoli Enteprise Console (yeah, ld shite), but what I saw is that one can right client on an event and run an action directly from event console (OK, it is not used at all but nice feature and you exclude possibility to fuck up something just with a similar but bad commmand). P.S. Sorry for the slow response, been enjoying my vacation. :) -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/
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