Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
forget about multi-license, it is isc license and it doesn't really make sense to make them like ms volume license. but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. -- g):g.1e/h2/g )cf71h07e/e.9f04c sunnz.org
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: forget about multi-license, it is isc license and it doesn't really make sense to make them like ms volume license. but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. -- g):g.1e /h2/g B )c f71h07e /e.9f04c sunnz.org There are $1000 cds there.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: forget about multi-license, it is isc license and it doesn't really make sense to make them like ms volume license. but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. The tax laws of the country I live in are more than enough for me to willingly deal with, so I won't claim any expertise in the laws of other countries, but are the people making these suggestions cognizant of the various laws and regulations that tend to surround deductible business expense or whatever the nearest local equivalent is? Do you *really* think a pick your own price item is actually fully deductible in the eyes of a random local tax authority? Really? Enough to stake your own fortune and business on? Do you know the laws of other countries enough that your conscience lets you make that recommendation to people living elsewhere? If so, wow, what are you doing hanging out on this list instead of making big bucks in finance? If you want to make a contribution and having it be tax deductible is a significant concern or would result in an increase in the size of the donation, then contact the OpenBSD Foundation (and review your relevant tax laws and regulations). The Foundation exists, in part, so that these issues and concerns don't become an undue burden on people. Philip Guenther
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Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
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ifstated
Hello, I have some problems with ifstated. First of all I understood that the main task of the default config file for ifstated (/etc/ifstated.conf) is to prevent the MASTER/BACKUP situation, and to force the MASTER/MASTER if a carp interface fails on the master firewall that uses carp. The problem is that the defualt config file doesn't seem to work :s (of course after changing the ip addresses) The backup firewall keeps oscillating between the backup and promoted states. has anyone managed to get this thing to work?? Any ideas why ?? We used the default config file, only changing the ip addresses in net and peer definitions. Thanks. -- Abbass MAROUNI Internet Memory Foundation internetmemory.org
style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
[asbestos suit donned? check!] The style(9) man page contains the statement Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes the code unusable from C++. My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++? An interweb search doesn't turn up any examples or explanations, just the usual explanations of why you need typedef in C but not in C++. While I know C the subtleties of C++ are beyond me. The only detailed references seem to be historic variations on the BSD style page. Not one to take inscriptions on a tablet without question, it would be nice to understand the reason for this statement. -- Mike
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:35:46PM -0700, Philip Guenther wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: forget about multi-license, it is isc license and it doesn't really make sense to make them like ms volume license. but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. The tax laws of the country I live in are more than enough for me to willingly deal with, so I won't claim any expertise in the laws of other countries, but are the people making these suggestions cognizant of the various laws and regulations that tend to surround deductible business expense or whatever the nearest local equivalent is? Do you *really* think a pick your own price item is actually fully deductible in the eyes of a random local tax authority? Really? Enough to stake your own fortune and business on? Do you know the laws of other countries enough that your conscience lets you make that recommendation to people living elsewhere? If so, wow, what are you doing hanging out on this list instead of making big bucks in finance? If you want to make a contribution and having it be tax deductible is a significant concern or would result in an increase in the size of the donation, then contact the OpenBSD Foundation (and review your relevant tax laws and regulations). The Foundation exists, in part, so that these issues and concerns don't become an undue burden on people. Please note that http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ 1) is NOT a charitable organization and cannot itself provide tax relief; 2) is incorporated ONLY in Canada; 3) has NO PLANS to become a charitable organization or to expand its legal existance to other countries and in particular the US; 4) has NO staff that could handle many small transactions. 5) does NOT accept directed donations, i.e. spend this money on hackathon Y, or buy Theo a hat with this, or I'll give you $1,000,000 dollars to get Theo to put .NET into base. The OpenBSD Foundation exists solely as a vehicle to create the legal papertrail necessary for some donations. Especially corporate donations with accounting departments to mollify. So if your tax accountant or corporate bean counters need a piece of paper showing that an incorporated entity with a formally documented goal of supporting the OpenBSD project and related projects has received your significant chunk of money, then by all means contact us. But if you have brilliant ideas for marketing, directing Theo and other developers to do something, forcing Austin to run the business in a particular way, or want to donate $1, please do not contact us. Ken p.s. on the $1,000,000 to get Theo to put .NET into base, feel free to contact me offlist. My K street office would be happy to lobby Theo for as long as the money lasts. A stable of bespoke influencial developers would gather wherever he happened to stop and attempt to drink and hack until he agreed. We guarantee results or you get an apologetic phone call. Philip Guenther
linux default shell, how annoying
After getting annoyed with debian using dash as /bin/sh. Adding features is one understandable thing affecting portability but surely you can keep it backward compatible. I came across this description and wondered what the lists thoughts would be. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mksh; mksh is the only pdksh derivate currently being actively developed. It includes bug fixes and feature improvements, in order to produce a modern, robust shell good for interactive and especially script use. mksh has UTF-8 support (in substring operations and the Emacs editing mode) and, while R39c corresponds to OpenBSD 4.6-current ksh (without GNU bash-like PS1 and fancy character classes), adheres to SUSv4 and is much more robust.
Re: linux default shell, how annoying
hmm, on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:00:46PM +, Kevin Chadwick said that
mksh is the only pdksh derivate currently being actively developed. It
includes bug fixes and feature improvements, in order to produce a
modern, robust shell good for interactive and especially script
use. mksh has UTF-8 support (in substring operations and the Emacs
editing mode) and, while R39c corresponds to OpenBSD 4.6-current ksh
(without GNU bash-like PS1 and fancy character classes), adheres to
SUSv4 and is much more robust.
how can it be the only actively developed one when it was forked
from openbsd's ksh? is openbsd not being actively developed anymore?
on every debian i have to use, 'sudo apt-get install pdksh' is the first
thing i do, the second being 'scp {.profile,.kshrc} debian:'
-f
--
how much can i get away with and still go to heaven?
Re: linux default shell, how annoying
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:00:46PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: After getting annoyed with debian using dash as /bin/sh. Adding features is one understandable thing affecting portability but surely you can keep it backward compatible. I came across this description and wondered what the lists thoughts would be. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mksh; mksh is the only pdksh derivate currently being actively developed. It includes bug fixes and feature improvements, in order to produce a modern, robust shell good for interactive and especially script use. mksh has UTF-8 support (in substring operations and the Emacs editing mode) and, while R39c corresponds to OpenBSD 4.6-current ksh (without GNU bash-like PS1 and fancy character classes), adheres to SUSv4 and is much more robust. All lies. Nothing to see there. Just someone who took some code and pretends it's theirs. These so called changes are mostly build script and other uninteresting updates. ksh works fine; it is maintained etc.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:49:20 -0500 J Sisson wrote: Order 1 with your shipping address, then order N - 1 with Richard Stallman's address. Problem solved. Order one Start another order with the delivery address of the shop your buying from.
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
Mike Williams wrote:
[asbestos suit donned? check!]
The style(9) man page contains the statement
Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes
the code unusable from C++.
My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++?
An interweb search doesn't turn up any examples or explanations, just
the usual explanations of why you need typedef in C but not in C++.
While I know C the subtleties of C++ are beyond me. The only detailed
references seem to be historic variations on the BSD style page.
Not one to take inscriptions on a tablet without question, it would be
nice to understand the reason for this statement.
If I understand you correctly you'd like to do something like:
typedef struct some_type some_type;
AFAICT when a struct is defined in C++, e.g.:
struct some_type {
...
};
variables can be declared as, either:
struct some_type some_var;
or:
some_type some_var;
So 'some_type' is already sort of an implicit typedef of 'struct some_type'.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 2011-04-22 6:35:46, Philip Guenther guenther () gmail ! com wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: forget about multi-license, it is isc license and it doesn't really make sense to make them like ms volume license. but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. The tax laws of the country I live in are more than enough for me to willingly deal with, so I won't claim any expertise in the laws of other countries, but are the people making these suggestions cognizant of the various laws and regulations that tend to surround deductible business expense or whatever the nearest local equivalent is? Do you *really* think a pick your own price item is actually fully deductible in the eyes of a random local tax authority? Really? Enough to stake your own fortune and business on? Do you know the laws of other countries enough that your conscience lets you make that recommendation to people living elsewhere? If so, wow, what are you doing hanging out on this list instead of making big bucks in finance? If you want to make a contribution and having it be tax deductible is a significant concern or would result in an increase in the size of the donation, then contact the OpenBSD Foundation (and review your relevant tax laws and regulations). The Foundation exists, in part, so that these issues and concerns don't become an undue burden on people. Philip Guenther I'll bet that even though it can't be deducted, a check payable to Theo deRaadt c/o The Computer Shop, Calgary would be quite effective. And we'll probably know if it wouldn't be before anyone has time to get stamps. Ed Ahlsen-Girard [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
Re: linux default shell, how annoying
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:36:45 +0200
frantisek holop wrote:
on every debian i have to use, 'sudo apt-get install pdksh' is the first
thing i do, the second being 'scp {.profile,.kshrc} debian:'
I was going to replace the link from /bin/sh to dash with pdksh but I'm
guessing something somewhere will break!!
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
On 04/22/11 14:21, Remco wrote:
Mike Williams wrote:
[asbestos suit donned? check!]
The style(9) man page contains the statement
Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes
the code unusable from C++.
My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++?
An interweb search doesn't turn up any examples or explanations, just
the usual explanations of why you need typedef in C but not in C++.
While I know C the subtleties of C++ are beyond me. The only detailed
references seem to be historic variations on the BSD style page.
Not one to take inscriptions on a tablet without question, it would be
nice to understand the reason for this statement.
If I understand you correctly you'd like to do something like:
typedef struct some_type some_type;
AFAICT when a struct is defined in C++, e.g.:
struct some_type {
...
};
variables can be declared as, either:
struct some_type some_var;
or:
some_type some_var;
So 'some_type' is already sort of an implicit typedef of 'struct some_type'.
Yep, I have seen that, but that does not explain what the problem is
with the having a struct tag and typedef the same.
I work in the C world. I know and understand C namespaces and how
typedef works. If I write an API that may be picked up by a C++
application I'd like to know why doing
typedef struct FOO { ... } FOO;
is unusable in the C++ world.
I'm guessing it is not a syntactic problem - a C++ compiler will compile
the code - but a semantic one resulting in unexpected behaviour. Or
possibly worse. I was hoping to find a dont use same name for struct
tag and typedef in C++ because of this unwanted behaviour ...
explanation and not just be another monkey hosed down going for the banana.
--
Mike
Re: linux default shell, how annoying
hmm, on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 02:45:44PM +, Kevin Chadwick said that
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:36:45 +0200
frantisek holop wrote:
on every debian i have to use, 'sudo apt-get install pdksh' is the first
thing i do, the second being 'scp {.profile,.kshrc} debian:'
I was going to replace the link from /bin/sh to dash with pdksh but I'm
guessing something somewhere will break!!
i imagine linux scripts often being full of bashims, so moving to dash
must have meant for the debian people to go through their tree to get
rid of those. in which case replacing dash with pdksh for system
scripts could be fine.
but why complicate stuff? i change just my user's shell and stick to
writing portable scripts -- in this case pdksh vs dash seems like a non
issue to me.
-f
--
architecture is the art of how to waste space.
Re: authpf and google authenticator
On 2011-04-20, Alastair Johnson att...@gmail.com wrote: I have used authpf sucessfully and was wondering if it is possible to use authpf with the google authenticator to add one time passwords. Has anyone done this? Haven't tried it with authpf, but ports/sysutils/login_oath might help. The way it's currently written it expects the secret key to be in a file in the user's home directory so each user would need a separate homedir which is going to be slightly annoying for authpf (though workable at a pinch) - it would be a better fit to have it lookup user/key in a standalone file or ldap.
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
Remco re...@d-compu.dyndns.org writes:
Mike Williams wrote:
[asbestos suit donned? check!]
The style(9) man page contains the statement
Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes
the code unusable from C++.
My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++?
...
If I understand you correctly you'd like to do something like:
typedef struct some_type some_type;
AFAICT when a struct is defined in C++, e.g.:
struct some_type {
...
};
variables can be declared as, either:
struct some_type some_var;
or:
some_type some_var;
So 'some_type' is already sort of an implicit typedef of 'struct some_type'.
I'm not sure I like this way of thinking about it. C++ also has typedef
which can be used to create a synonym for a C++ struct, e.g.
struct X;
typedef X Y;
typedef of a sort of typedef. I guess so.
I'm also interested in the answer to this question. A test shows you
can get away with a typedef having the same name as a C++ struct type,
at least in gcc, at least for this simple case:
#include iostream
typedef struct X {
int a, b;
} X;
int
main()
{
X x = { 1, 3 };
struct X y = { 7, 4 };
std::cout x.a , x.b \n;
std::cout y.a , y.b std::endl;
return 0;
}
Section 7.1.3, clause 2 of the 2003 C++ standard also
makes it clear (in as much as this language is clear) it's allowed:
In a given non-class scope, a typedef specifier can be used to redefine
the name of any type declared in that scope to refer to the type to
which it already refers. [Example:
typedef struct s { /* ... */ } s;
typedef int I;
typedef int I;
typedef I I;
end example]
However, that doesn't mean it's good style and there may be some
practical problem with doing it that I'm not familiar with and the man
page writer was familiar with. I don't make it a habit to give new
names to things that are the same as their previous names, so I have no
experience.
- Mike
problem mounting svnd-based disk
Hello, misc!
I use a svnd-based, encrypted disk with a few partitions on it since
more than a year, which used to work just fine. But with the snapshot
from April 14 and also with the latest snapshot from April 21 I can
only mount one partition at a time now. Do I do something wrong, or is
this a bug? Or is this an expected result of the recent vnd/svnd
changes and I need to change the way I use vnd/svnd?
Thank you for your help! Details below.
Tas.
I use /dev/wd0l on the physical harddisk as storage space. To open the
encrypted volume, I copy and paste all the commands from a text file.
I open the volume with (with the correct /tmp/foo file in place):
vnconfig -c -K 9 -S /tmp/foo svnd3 /dev/wd0l
snvd3 looks like this:
# fdisk svnd3
Disk: svnd3 geometry: 1230051/1/100 [123005169 Sectors]
Offset: 0 Signature: 0xAA55
Starting Ending LBA Info:
#: id C H S - C H S [ start:size ]
---
0: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
1: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
2: 00 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 [ 0: 0 ] unused
*3: A6 1 0 1 - 1230050 0 100 [ 100: 123005000 ]
OpenBSD
# disklabel svnd3
# /dev/rsvnd3c:
type: vnd
disk: vnd device
label: fictitious
duid: 79c8276b51852fc4
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 100
tracks/cylinder: 1
sectors/cylinder: 100
cylinders: 335543
total sectors: 123005169
boundstart: 100
boundend: 123005100
drivedata: 0
16 partitions:
#size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg]
a: 9586800 100 4.2BSD 2048 163841
c:1230051690 unused
d: 9586800 9586900 4.2BSD 2048 163841
e:103831400 19173700 4.2BSD 2048 16384 38128
Partitions are fine:
# fsck /dev/svnd3{a,d,e}
** /dev/rsvnd3a
** File system is clean; not checking
** /dev/rsvnd3d
** File system is clean; not checking
** /dev/rsvnd3e
** File system is clean; not checking
I used to mount all three partitions with:
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3a /data/1
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3d /data/2
mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3e /data/3
That worked fine so far and all three partitions got mounted. But now
I can still mount all partitions, but only one at a time. With the
commands from above I get:
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3a /data/1
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3d /data/2
mount_ffs: /dev/svnd3d on /data/2: Device busy
# mount -o nodev,nosuid /dev/svnd3e /data/3
mount_ffs: /dev/svnd3e on /data/3: Device busy
Only /data/1 gets mounted. To mount the other ones, I first need to
umount /data/1 now.
# dmesg
OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #81: Thu Apr 21 00:10:03 MDT 2011
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1400 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.84 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,VMX,EST,TM2,xTPR,PDCM
real mem = 2114367488 (2016MB)
avail mem = 2069610496 (1973MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/29/05, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @
0xe73f0 (39 entries)
bios0: vendor Apple Computer, Inc. version
MM11.88Z.0055.B08.0610121326 date 10/12/06
bios0: Apple Computer, Inc. Macmini1,1
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC MCFG ASF! SBST ECDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices PXS1(S4) PXS2(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3)
USB4(S3) USB7(S3)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 1400 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.84 GHz
cpu1:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,VMX,EST,TM2,xTPR,PDCM
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 1
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpiec0 at acpi0acpiec _REG failed, broken BIOS
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCIB)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xe600!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1834 MHz: speeds: 1833, 1667, 1500, 1333, 1000 MHz
memory map conflict 0xe00f8000/0x1000
memory map conflict 0xfed1c000/0x4000
memory map conflict 0xfffb/0x3
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82945GM Host rev 0x03
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
e ( 2011e944f 22f%f f d:o Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com eio On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Sunnz sun...@gmail.com wrote: but how hard would it be to provide an option for people to specify a different price for buying the cd? then you can pay $1000 for a cd if you want. The tax laws of the country I live in are more than enough for me to willingly deal with, so I won't claim any expertise in the laws of other countries, but are the people making these suggestions cognizant of the various laws and regulations that tend to surround deductible business expense or whatever the nearest local equivalent is? B Do you *really* think a pick your own price item is actually fully deductible in the eyes of a random local tax authority? B Really? Enough to stake your own fortune and business on? B Do you know the laws of other countries enough that your conscience lets you make that recommendation to people living elsewhere? B If so, wow, what are you doing hanging out on this list instead of making big bucks in finance? it's a technical suggestion. it's just an option and it is up to the individual to decide whether if it is appropriate to make use of. mechanism, not policy. -- g):g.1e/h2/g )cf71h07e/e.9f04c sunnz.org
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Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Anyway, as Marco and others pointed out, there is an easy way for me to achieve what I want, and that is to order the number of CD sets I want and write a manual note to ship only one set out of those ordered. That has the added benefit that the remaining sets can be resold to someone else, which helps my environmental conciense to live with me. :-) So in conclusion, I've just put in an order for ten 4.9 CD sets and asked that only one be sent. From now on I'm going to order one virtual CD set for each of my about a dozen OpenBSD production servers, for every new release. In time, as my company evolves (read: earns more money :-) ), I hope to increase that order, because OpenBSD is an integral and absolutely critical part of our business infrastructure and what is good for the project is damned good for us. Thanks for the info Benny; I'm sure you're not the only one wanting to contribute more AND not consume more resources; and now we know how.
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Mike Williams ob...@eandem.co.uk wrote: The style(9) man page contains the statement Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes the code unusable from C++. My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++? espie@ added this a long time ago, but I can't think of a specific example either. This may be a reference to buggy compilers, as OpenBSD was using gcc 2.7 at the time. If that's the case, it can probably be retired.
Re: style(9) question on typedef and struct tag
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:39:28PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Mike Williams ob...@eandem.co.uk wrote: The style(9) man page contains the statement Don't use the same name for a struct tag and a typedef, as this makes the code unusable from C++. My question is how does this make the code unusable from C++? espie@ added this a long time ago, but I can't think of a specific example either. This may be a reference to buggy compilers, as OpenBSD was using gcc 2.7 at the time. If that's the case, it can probably be retired. Yeah, it's probably the case. It's been a very long time. In any case, I still think it's not a good idea to typedef structs, as this tends to obfuscate the structure of the code and lead to stuff that's hard to read and audit. So, I'm perfectly okay with removing the reference to C++.
Thinkpad T420
Anyone running one of these? About to order one, was curious if I'm going to have to do any hacking to get openbsd to play nicely with it... Search of misc didn't return much, neither did a google.. Thanks in advance.
Re: Thinkpad T420
On 04/22/11 14:24, Brad DeMorrow wrote: Anyone running one of these? About to order one, was curious if I'm going to have to do any hacking to get openbsd to play nicely with it... Search of misc didn't return much, neither did a google.. Thanks in advance. Make sure it isn't using the nVidia video chipset. Some of them have Intel video--you should check for that and verify X knows about it already. When I got my W500 neither wireless or ethernet was yet supported, but they were added perhaps 6 to 8 weeks later. The video question is the hard one. The latest T series do look good. When a friend orders one later on in the summer I'll steal it and test it and report on misc@ if others haven't. --STeve Andre'
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 22/04/2011, at 7:01 PM, Landry Breuil wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Paul M l...@no-tek.com wrote: Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. What really is being wasted?, A wee bit of plastic, traces of other materials and a small amount of energy used to produce it. A company that runs a big neon sign overnight is probably wasting more than that. Wow. That's probably the lamest reply i've seen in this thread. Everyone's wasting energy and dumping brand new things, so i should do it too! Landry Landry, I'm sorry to hear about your refusal to purchase a CD. However, I'm sure your regular donations are very much appreciated. paulm
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
I'm sorry to hear about your refusal to purchase a CD. However, I'm sure your regular donations are very much appreciated. Landry's donations can be seen there: http://www.oxide.org/cvs/landry.html For some reason http://www.oxide.org/cvs/paulm.html is a 404 error page. I wonder why. Miod
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 08:23:51AM +1200, Paul M wrote: On 22/04/2011, at 7:01 PM, Landry Breuil wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Paul M l...@no-tek.com wrote: Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. What really is being wasted?, A wee bit of plastic, traces of other materials and a small amount of energy used to produce it. A company that runs a big neon sign overnight is probably wasting more than that. Wow. That's probably the lamest reply i've seen in this thread. Everyone's wasting energy and dumping brand new things, so i should do it too! Landry Landry, I'm sorry to hear about your refusal to purchase a CD. However, I'm sure your regular donations are very much appreciated. Commits are a type of donation, and yes, they are very much appreciated. -Otto
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 23/04/2011, at 8:23 AM, Paul M wrote: On 22/04/2011, at 7:01 PM, Landry Breuil wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Paul M l...@no-tek.com wrote: Just order as many as you want and bin the excess. What really is being wasted?, A wee bit of plastic, traces of other materials and a small amount of energy used to produce it. A company that runs a big neon sign overnight is probably wasting more than that. Wow. That's probably the lamest reply i've seen in this thread. Everyone's wasting energy and dumping brand new things, so i should do it too! Landry Landry, I'm sorry to hear about your refusal to purchase a CD. However, I'm sure your regular donations are very much appreciated. paulm Disregard that. It was a cheap shot and contributes nothing to the discussion. I appologise. paulm
Re: Howto set an IPv6 route?
On 2011-04-20, Roger Schreiter ro...@planinternet.de wrote: Hello, I tried: route add -inet6 2a00:1ff8:101::/48 2a00:1ff8:102:ac01::1 and got: route: 2a00:1ff8:101::/48: bad value The /48 notation isn't supported for route add -inet6, use 2a00:1ff8:101:: -prefixlen 48 instead.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Disregard that. It was a cheap shot and contributes nothing to the discussion. Too late. Your first born must become a skilled BSD developer to redeem your sins now.
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
On 23/04/2011, at 8:43 AM, Miod Vallat wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your refusal to purchase a CD. However, I'm sure your regular donations are very much appreciated. Landry's donations can be seen there: http://www.oxide.org/cvs/landry.html For some reason http://www.oxide.org/cvs/paulm.html is a 404 error page. I wonder why. Miod Point taken. Again, I appologise for being a dick. I was frustrated that my original comment appeared to be completely missed - that the project needs CD sales, and in the grand scheme of things, the value of a cd set to the project is much greater than it's 'waste' value (in my opinion) if it's not used. I dont mean to suggest that people shouldn't continue to look for better ways to do it. paulm PS, Although I hate this kind of defense - I do buy cds.
Error on website re funding...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, Theo de Raadt wrote: All sales fund the project in the same way. In the past there was an arrangement (in particular, with Wim) so that the tshirt sales would fund him while CD sales would fund us. He managed to rob is on that account in every possible way. So have not done that kind of arrangements for years. Tshirt sales from Canada (the computer shop / https.openbsd.org) and from the UK (openbsdeurope.com) fund the project just like the mugs, the CD's, posters, etc.. I was just looking at the main page of the OpenBSD website (http://www.openbsd.org/) and noticed that the final paragraph says T-shirts and posters ... do not fund the project. This should be fixed. [As should the copyright notice, which should be extended to include 2011.] FYI, Dave -- Dave Anderson d...@daveanderson.com
Re: make build failure
Thanks, that was the problem. -- best regards q#
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Love the ASCII art on the top level of that site. -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX Miod Vallat wrote: Landry's donations can be seen there: http://www.oxide.org/cvs/landry.html
Re: Like OpenBSD? Like to see new stuff happening? You really need to order a CD today :)
Point taken. Again, I appologise for being a dick. Apology accepted. I was frustrated that my original comment appeared to be completely missed - that the project needs CD sales, and in the grand scheme of things, the value of a cd set to the project is much greater than it's 'waste' value (in my opinion) if it's not used. The project needs *funding*. CD sales, so far, are one of the best ways to do this. Better ways are welcome. In the meantime, keep ordering CD sets... Miod
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