Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Daniel Villarreal]

Seriously, based in Washington, D.C. ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:

> The English language is dead.
>
> Long live Logban[1]
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer
> of a
> >>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application
> platform to
> >>> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com...
> >>>
> >>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which
> >>> mostly don't apply at all.
> >>
> >> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they
> use
> >> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just
> not
> >> hostile to their language, or whatever.
> >
> > Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people
> of
> >>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
> >>> multi-lingual installer >?
> >>
> >>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for
> use
> >>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration
> is
> >>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one
> which
> >>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you
> can
> >>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in
> console or
> >>> complete apps in X.
> >>
> >> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are
> equivalent
> >> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced
> >> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S.
> >
> > I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm
> > not from US so maybe I'm wrong.
> >
> >>
> >> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to
> aggravate
> >> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation
> of
> >> English. They're a lost cause, anyway...
> >>
> >> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3
> >> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with
> new
> >> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the
> >> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography."
> >
> > Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules
> > and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in
> > conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or
> > my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I
> > can understand that people which don't have English as mother language
> > can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with
> > Chinese or whatever.
> >
> >>
> >> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get
> your
> >> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way
> beyond
> >> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the
> developers
> >> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm
> merely
> >> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of
> people
> >> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an
> >> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to
> give
> >> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very
> >> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to
> >> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why
> >> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for
> >> servers?
> >
> > Ah time for funny links ;-)
> >
> > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2
> > (quite long, but worth of it)
> >
> > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2
> > (EXCELLENT)
> >
> > For short:
> >
> > Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to
> > figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies
> > Calculus.
> >
> > It doesn't work and wastes your time.
> >
> > --STeve Andre'
> >
> > Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that
> > Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that
> > Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames
> > ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much
> > complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are
> > not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are
> > 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just
> > because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people
> > which are genius like Theo which are able to bring f

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Daniel Villarreal]

Thank you for your perspective, Theo.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote:

> > This is about the big picture.
>
> No, it is not.
>
> Go ahead, add multi-language support to our install media.
>
> Oh, you're not going to do it?  Oh you can't do it?  Oh, you can't
> make it fit?
>
> That is the big picture.

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Corey]

On 09/19/2011 09:15 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
>
>
> On 20 September 2011 14:08, Corey  > wrote:
>
> On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
>
> If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY
> recommend against
> virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is
> twice as fast
> in mainline and not controlled by oracle
>
> sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity.
> On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia" >  wrote:
>
> Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment.
> Many things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I
> don't see any perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use
> less CPU, and that usage is better balanced amongst cores, than
> with VirtualBox. I think KVM is closing the gap, and am prepared
> for Oracle to drop VBox entirely if it suits Ellison's whims.
>
> I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again
> I don't get the feeling that that is its target environment
>
>
> This is off topic now, but seriously, I use both (Virtualbox has one 
> advantage in that it can host Solaris10 properly). And VB has NO 
> advantages, all of the advantages are to KVM. As for Video use Spice 
> enabled KVM, and USB pass through has been present for yonks.
>
>
> C
>
>
Yes, it is, so I'll make this last comment and be gone.

I guess it comes down to what works best *for you*. SPICE looks cool 
(though I will always think of "Spice" software as something I use to 
model electronic circuitry), but I can't justify screwing around with 
setting up a remote desktop infrastructure *on a single workstation* 
when I can load guest drivers on my VBox guests and it "just works" (I'm 
usually virtualizing Windows). And while I'm aware that KVM supposedly 
supports USB passthrough, it just will not work with my document scanner 
software -- and KVM spews a billion messages on the console when I 
enable the passthrough to boot. VBox on the other hand supports the 
scanner and its software flawlessly.

Don't get me wrong, I like KVM. And more power to its devs. My only 
regret with it it is that qemu will probably eventually depend on KVM 
and not run standalone anymore. But KVM is no panacea. For what *I* do, 
VBox works better and easier.

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Joel Wiramu Pauling]

On 20 September 2011 14:08, Corey  wrote:

> On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
>
>> If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against
>> virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as
>> fast
>> in mainline and not controlled by oracle
>>
>> sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity.
>> On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia"  wrote:
>>
>>  Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment. Many
> things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I don't see any
> perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use less CPU, and that usage
> is better balanced amongst cores, than with VirtualBox. I think KVM is
> closing the gap, and am prepared for Oracle to drop VBox entirely if it
> suits Ellison's whims.
>
> I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again I don't
> get the feeling that that is its target environment


This is off topic now, but seriously, I use both (Virtualbox has one
advantage in that it can host Solaris10 properly). And VB has NO advantages,
all of the advantages are to KVM. As for Video use Spice enabled KVM, and
USB pass through has been present for yonks.

>
> C

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Corey]

On 09/19/2011 08:04 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:

If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against
virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast
in mainline and not controlled by oracle

sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity.
On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia"  wrote:

Maybe so, but it works fine for me in a workstation environment. Many 
things work better than in KVM (video, USB passthrough) and I don't see 
any perceptible speed difference. KVM does seem to use less CPU, and 
that usage is better balanced amongst cores, than with VirtualBox. I 
think KVM is closing the gap, and am prepared for Oracle to drop VBox 
entirely if it suits Ellison's whims.


I wouldn't use VirtualBox in a server environment, but then again I 
don't get the feeling that that is its target environment.


C

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[L. V. Lammert]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:

> If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against
> virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast
> in mainline and not controlled by oracle
>
For production use, Xen and orchestrate seems to be getting pretty good
reviews, .. the only advantage to VirtualBox is phpVirtualBox.

Lee

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Joel Wiramu Pauling]

If you are Going to use linux as your dom0 I STRONGLY recommend against
virtual box. Vb is the retarded stillborn twin of kvm. Kvm is twice as fast
in mainline and not controlled by oracle

sent from android handset. Please mind the brevity.
On Sep 20, 2011 12:44 AM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia"  wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:17 AM, lancebaynes87 
wrote:
>>
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-solutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
>>
>> I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
>>
>> OpenBSD: host
>> CentOS: guest
>>
>> What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages
from ports. Are there any?
>>
>> Thank you in anticipation.
>
> Do it the other way around. RHEL, CentOS, and Scientific Linux 6.x all
> work well with the "VirtualBox" and other virtualization servers,
> though VirtualBox has the best interface for freeware. And OpenBSD
> runs quite happily in virtualization. I use it for testing OpenBSD
> tools in a primarily RHEL environment, and even use VirtualBox for
> easy virtualization in places where I'm only handed a Windows desktop
> or laptop.
>
> You don't get the same vaunted OS security or kernel performance on
> the serverr, but you do get access to other familiar tools and layouts
> that may not be available in OpenBSD yet. (I do note the availability
> of recent tools I care about in 4.9, such as httpd-2.x and
> libreoffice-3.x and subversion-1.6.x. Good)

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Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[ropers]

Hassan Monfared wrote:
> subject to  correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting

On 19 September 2011 09:20, Tomas Bodzar  wrote:
> And eg. this one is not so hard
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=1&s=dom0&q=b

Has anyone (qualified) ever taken an interest in the bug Christoph
mentioned here?

Is this the same issue Hassan just referred to?

There've been long stretches where I've not followed things much, not
even as a user, but the last I heard sort of seemed to indicate that
maybe there wasn't much interest -- in part because real hardware is
generally preferred due to (justified) concerns regarding the security
footprint of virtualisation.

But I don't know what the story is now. Does anyone?

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Re: ARM board for OpenBSD devs for free?

[Matthew Dempsky]

[-tech@]

I took a quick look.  Most of their ARM offerings are based on either
ARM7TDMI or Cortex-M3, which are too low-end to run OpenBSD (though
devel/arm-elf may be useful for writing code to run on them).

The Cirrus EP93XX boards are possibly interesting since they actually
have MMUs, but they look much less capable than (e.g.) a BeagleBoard
or a PandaBoard, and aren't much cheaper.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tomas Bodzar  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> out of curiosity. Will be that offer of some use for OpenBSD?
>
> http://www.olimex.com/dev/projects.html

Re: Apache problems

[Mattieu Baptiste]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:57 PM, ropers  wrote:
> On 19 September 2011 09:51, Mattieu Baptiste  wrote:
>> The apache foundation has adjusted the security advisory and Apache 1.3 
>> isn't vulnerable.
>>
>> https://httpd.apache.org/security/CVE-2011-3192.txt
>
> Yes, fair enough, BUT that same advisory says *in its Apache 1.3 section*:
>
>> However as explained in the background section in more detail -
>> this attack does cause a significant and possibly unexpected load.
>> You are advised to review your configuration in that light.
>
> and the Lee's original problem appears to be the result of an unexpected load.

The code involved is totally different. Look at it.
The unexpected load is simply that 1.3 uses forks wheras 2.X has
worker mode. The PoC launches 50 connexions at a time, which can
generate load on 1.3. That's the reason of the "review your
configuration in that light".


-- 
Mattieu Baptiste
"/earth is 102% full ... please delete anyone you can."

Re: Apache problems

[ropers]

On 19 September 2011 09:51, Mattieu Baptiste  wrote:
> The apache foundation has adjusted the security advisory and Apache 1.3
isn't vulnerable.
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/security/CVE-2011-3192.txt

Yes, fair enough, BUT that same advisory says *in its Apache 1.3 section*:

> However as explained in the background section in more detail -
> this attack does cause a significant and possibly unexpected load.
> You are advised to review your configuration in that light.

and the Lee's original problem appears to be the result of an unexpected
load.



b+ I've got loads (I've got loads...
...of three-five error codes, error, error codes)
Loads, loads (loads),
then three-five error codes, (error) error codes (codes)

You thought I was just running -CURRENT or 4 point 9?
I'm old skool, GETs served by Apach(e), mine
It's the abominable dae-mon
Older H-T-T-P-D, man
"Stable rig for me, man"

Two-oh-ohs, four-oh-fours;
I send small PCs and gate(way)s HTML source

One-five-oh max_clients on four point three:
Scratching heads, starting threads,
and you answer me

So control your PoC tool and keep your boxes on
And I'll finish this up by upgrading soon.

Four point three box, three five error code,
my server VH just overloads... b+



PS: Figuring out how the Apache Foundation's declaration of
non-vulnerability squares with their declaration of this performance
impact is left as an exercise for the reader.

PPS: Try to avoid a stack overflow via item 0) in the advisory's
"Mitigation" section.
Also, don't try to find "option '3'"...

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Alec Taylor]

The English language is dead.

Long live Logban[1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logban

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Tomas Bodzar  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
>>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform 
>>> > to
>>> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com...
>>>
>>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which
>>> mostly don't apply at all.
>>
>> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use
>> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not
>> hostile to their language, or whatever.
>
> Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact.
>
>>
>>
>>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of
>>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
>>> multi-lingual installer >?
>>
>>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use
>>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is
>>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which
>>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can
>>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or
>>> complete apps in X.
>>
>> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent
>> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced
>> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S.
>
> I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm
> not from US so maybe I'm wrong.
>
>>
>> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate
>> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of
>> English. They're a lost cause, anyway...
>>
>> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3
>> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new
>> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the
>> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography."
>
> Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules
> and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in
> conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or
> my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I
> can understand that people which don't have English as mother language
> can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with
> Chinese or whatever.
>
>>
>> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your
>> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond
>> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers
>> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely
>> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people
>> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an
>> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give
>> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very
>> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to
>> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why
>> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for
>> servers?
>
> Ah time for funny links ;-)
>
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2
> (quite long, but worth of it)
>
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2
> (EXCELLENT)
>
> For short:
>
> Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to
> figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies
> Calculus.
>
> It doesn't work and wastes your time.
>
> --STeve Andre'
>
> Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that
> Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that
> Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames
> ;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much
> complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are
> not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are
> 90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just
> because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people
> which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and
> solutions to things which every other person do as others just because
> others do that so it must be right.
>
>>
>> I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was
>> trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize
>> that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you
>

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Tomas Bodzar]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Villarreal
 wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to
>> > OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com...
>>
>> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which
>> mostly don't apply at all.
>
> Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use
> it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not
> hostile to their language, or whatever.

Or maybe because they think that it's free. It doesn't matter in fact.

>
>
>> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of
>> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
>> multi-lingual installer >?
>
>> OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use
>> for those users). De facto standard language in system administration is
>> English so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which
>> is mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can
>> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or
>> complete apps in X.
>
> Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent
> to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced
> science and mathematics degrees in the U.S.

I suppose that their classes related to IT are in English ;-) But I'm
not from US so maybe I'm wrong.

>
> What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate
> people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of
> English. They're a lost cause, anyway...
>
> http://www.oed.com/public/oed3
> "Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new
> words added for the first time and older entries revised according the
> exacting standards of modern historical lexicography."

Sure a lot of changed when I was visiting school, a lot of new rules
and other stuff which I don't know about, but it's not stopping me in
conversation. And I don't care if someone is doing bugs in English or
my language or any other as long as we can understand each other. I
can understand that people which don't have English as mother language
can have issues with that. Probably same as I will have issues with
Chinese or whatever.

>
> Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your
> point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond
> that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers
> to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely
> trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people
> wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an
> opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give
> people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very
> important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to
> arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why
> *wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for
> servers?

Ah time for funny links ;-)

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125295040219808&w=2
(quite long, but worth of it)

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125320519308891&w=2
(EXCELLENT)

For short:

Attempting to prove the worth of OpenBSD to folks who are not able to
figure things out for themselvs is much like trying to teach butterflies
Calculus.

It doesn't work and wastes your time.

--STeve Andre'

Why this? Because in old times when most of the people thought that
Earth is plain if you tried to give people opportunity to think that
Earth is not plain (OpenBSD is better or whatever) you ended in flames
;-) Most of the people is lazy, so much lazy that even GUI is too much
complicated for them and without small blue E on the desktop they are
not able to use Internet. On the other side there are people which are
90 or so and are able to use any Unix which you will show them just
because they are not lazy. That's why there's so low number of people
which are genius like Theo which are able to bring fresh ideas and
solutions to things which every other person do as others just because
others do that so it must be right.

>
> I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was
> trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize
> that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you
> think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation
> has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages.

What? Polite? What's bad on asking some Chinese how hard is English
for them? Did people lost freedom to ask something? I can ask someone
if y

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Theo de Raadt]

> This is about the big picture.

No, it is not.

Go ahead, add multi-language support to our install media.

Oh, you're not going to do it?  Oh you can't do it?  Oh, you can't
make it fit?

That is the big picture.

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Daniel Villarreal]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote:

> ...
> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
> system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to
> OpenBSD >developers http://dev.lemote.com...
>
> A lot of projects happy with GNU/Linux because of some reasons which mostly
> don't apply at all.
>

Yes. Maybe they use it because they're comfortable with it. Maybe they use
it because it's perceived as being multi-lingual, or even that it's just not
hostile to their language, or whatever.


> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of
China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
multi-lingual installer >?

OpenBSD is not targeted to typical users (but it can be prepared for use for
> those users). De facto standard language in system administration is English
> so why to have installer in different language? Especially one which is
> mostly about hitting enter only. In running system after install you can
> have any of the most used languages either for keyaboard only in console or
> complete apps in X.
>

Good point. I don't know if English-speaking "typical" users are equivalent
to Chinese "typical" users. Do a study on foreigners earning advanced
science and mathematics degrees in the U.S.

What I'm getting at when I discuss language in this list isn't to aggravate
people who think the world must conform to their strict interpretation of
English. They're a lost cause, anyway...

http://www.oed.com/public/oed3
"Every three months the entire OED database is republished online, with new
words added for the first time and older entries revised according the
exacting standards of modern historical lexicography."

Ultimately Theo decides what is used in OpenBSD and I get that. I get your
point about the install being easy, and I agree, but this goes way beyond
that. This is about the big picture. I'm not asking Theo and the developers
to *switch* to Chinese, or Afrikaans, or anything of the sort. I'm merely
trying to get people to think and consider about the implications of people
wanting to use the best software possible for servers and give them an
opportunity to work with the OpenBSD foundation. Isn't it important to give
people a reason to want to work with you? Including people is very
important. If the Chinese were willing to go through so much trouble to
arrive at an excellent low-power consumption computing platform, why
*wouldn't* they want the very best operating system, especially for
servers?

I've always wondered if the Chinese thought that learning English was
trivially easy. As much as I would like to ask a Chinese that, I realize
that it's not a polite thing to ask. That's not the point. What makes you
think they need English speakers to translate? Maybe the OpenBSD Foundation
has everything to gain by being more receptive to more foreign languages.

Is it possible that the OpenBSD Foundation might appeal to more people the
world over just by indicating a willingness to cooperate? I wonder if Theo
has travelled to China and I wonder if he speaks other languages.



> For sure you're free to provide patches for multilingual installer as
> long as it will be able to fit one floppy only (want to see that
> because of need for UTF ;-)).
>
> >
> > Daniel Villarreal
> >
> >
>
> PS: I'm not from English speaking country and my mother language is not
> English
>

Even without touching the installer, you've already have several languages
represented at openbsd.org, so why not add more to the web site, just that
alone would be a big boost ?

Sincerely,
Daniel Villarreal

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:17 AM, lancebaynes87  wrote:
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-solutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
>
> I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
>
> OpenBSD: host
> CentOS: guest
>
> What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages from 
> ports. Are there any?
>
> Thank you in anticipation.

Do it the other way around. RHEL, CentOS, and Scientific Linux 6.x all
work well with the "VirtualBox" and other virtualization servers,
though VirtualBox has the best interface for freeware. And OpenBSD
runs quite happily in virtualization. I use it for testing OpenBSD
tools in a primarily RHEL environment, and even use VirtualBox for
easy virtualization in places where I'm only handed a Windows desktop
or laptop.

You don't get the same vaunted OS security or kernel performance on
the serverr, but you do get access to other familiar tools and layouts
that may not be available in OpenBSD yet. (I do note the availability
of recent tools I care about in 4.9, such as httpd-2.x and
libreoffice-3.x and subversion-1.6.x. Good)

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Paren Thetic]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:28:18 -0400
Daniel Villarreal  wrote:

> I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC.
> 
> I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer
> of a system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application
> platform to OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from
> the Beijing GNU/Linux User's Group, i.e.
> http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7
> is http://dev.lemote.com
> 
> Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with
> GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to
> develop free software would want the best software.
> 
> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural
> people of China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of
> producing a multi-lingual installer ?
> 
> Daniel Villarreal

Lemote is a nice company, they design their machines to run without
binary blobs and use a PMON BIOS which can be audited by those who care.

This architecture is already supported well enough as a port in my
experience. A nice thing about the architecture is that it is not
x86 - specifically, out of fear bred from ignorance, I draw notice to it
not containing this feature: 

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/System_Management_Mode#Problems

Without this the hackers cannot turn my computer into a bomb.

--
oh noes pidgeons

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Tomas Bodzar]

Anyway for OpenBSD it looks like only one usable device for small home
server with low power consumption, not so much noise and non-x86 CPU
there's only http://www.lemote.com/en/products/mini-computer/2010/0310/111.html
 , right?

I know that there was thread about mini-ITX products before one week
or so on misc@, but it was around Atom only. VIA will be fine in that
regard too. But if someone wants to go non-x86 then there's only
Lemote as it seems.

http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Daniel Villarreal
 wrote:
> I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC.
>
> I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
> system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to
> OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux
> User's Group, i.e.
> http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7
> is http://dev.lemote.com
>
> Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with
> GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop
> free software would want the best software.
>
> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of
> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
> multi-lingual installer ?
>
> Daniel Villarreal

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Tomas Bodzar]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Francois Pussault
 wrote:
> Computer science is like playing golf
> you need to learn english before playing.

That's why so many projects ends in water or sand, right? :-)

>
> ;)
>
>
>> 
>> From: Marc Smith 
>> Sent: Mon Sep 19 10:44:16 CEST 2011
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
>>
>>
>> As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would
>> probobly not change in anytime soon.
>> Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users
>> when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable
>> localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready,
>> really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang
>> in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your
>> language, so there's no problem I guess.
>> Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless
>> it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit
>> translations.
>> So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux
>> distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze:
>> > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC.
>> >
>> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
>> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform
> to
>> > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing
> GNU/Linux
>> > User's Group, i.e.
>> >
>
http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemot
> eloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7
>> > is http://dev.lemote.com
>> >
>> > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with
>> > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to
> develop
>> > free software would want the best software.
>> >
>> > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people
> of
>> > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
>> > multi-lingual installer ?
>> >
>> > Daniel Villarreal
>>
>
>
> Cordialement
> Francois Pussault
> 3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol
> 31100 ToulouseB
> FranceB
> +33 6 17 230 820B B B +33 5 34 365 269
> fpussa...@contactoffice.fr

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Francois Pussault]

Computer science is like playing golf
you need to learn english before playing.

;)


> 
> From: Marc Smith 
> Sent: Mon Sep 19 10:44:16 CEST 2011
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC
>
>
> As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would
> probobly not change in anytime soon.
> Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users
> when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable
> localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready,
> really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang
> in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your
> language, so there's no problem I guess.
> Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless
> it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit
> translations.
> So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux
> distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user.
>
> Regards
>
> W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze:
> > I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC.
> >
> > I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
> > system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform
to
> > OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing
GNU/Linux
> > User's Group, i.e.
> >
http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemot
eloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7
> > is http://dev.lemote.com
> >
> > Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with
> > GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to
develop
> > free software would want the best software.
> >
> > Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people
of
> > China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
> > multi-lingual installer ?
> >
> > Daniel Villarreal
>


Cordialement
Francois Pussault
3701 - 8 rue Marcel Pagnol
31100 ToulouseB 
FranceB 
+33 6 17 230 820 B  +33 5 34 365 269
fpussa...@contactoffice.fr

Re: Lynloong All-in-one PC

[Marc Smith]

As Tomas already wrote, sysadmin's main lang is EN and that would
probobly not change in anytime soon.
Beside that, OpenBSD can't be really used by non-english speaking users
when there's no "easy", or "simple" one-clik/one command way to enable
localization, and the whole localization doesn't seem to be ready,
really. UTF-8 is missing in CLI [well, you usually don't need your lang
in CLI, don't you?], but you can make Xorg to display messages in your
language, so there's no problem I guess.
Translations would probobly take large space from OpenBSD CD [unless
it's downloadable] and there needs to be place for people to submit
translations.
So I don't know ... learn english basics or just use some GUI linux
distro, which is probobly better suited for casual user.

Regards

W dniu 19.09.2011 04:28, Daniel Villarreal pisze:
> I got a reply from Lemote, in regards to the Lynloong All-in-one PC.
> 
> I wonder if the Lemote would consider extending the company's offer of a
> system to those willing to contribute to the Lemote application platform to
> OpenBSD developers. The website link from article from the Beijing GNU/Linux
> User's Group, i.e.
> http://clubbeautiful.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:lemoteloongson-and-new-web-site-presentation&catid=4:archive&Itemid=7
> is http://dev.lemote.com
> 
> Although I don't read Chinese, it appears that this project deals with
> GNU/Linux. It seems logical to me that any organization willing to develop
> free software would want the best software.
> 
> Given that Lemote wishes to mass-produce computers for the rural people of
> China, they would also need lots of servers. Any chance of producing a
> multi-lingual installer ?
> 
> Daniel Villarreal

Re: Apache problems

[Mattieu Baptiste]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Rod Whitworth  wrote:
> What a pity that people don't do any searching b4 asking
>
> STFA for this list and (IIRC) find links to the PoC tool amongst other
> info.

Yes, and this has nothing to do with OpenBSD (this time). The apache
foundation has adjusted the security advisory and Apache 1.3 isn't
vulnerable.

https://httpd.apache.org/security/CVE-2011-3192.txt

>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:24:19 -0600, Shane Harbour wrote:
>
>>On 9/18/2011 9:42 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
>>>
 Recently there was a security issue with Apache. It was based on a
 perl script, search google. Maybe you are experiencing traffic and the
 realted problems because of that.

>>> Is there any way to find out if the version in 4.3 was susceptable to the
>>> attack?
>>>
>>>  Lee
>>>
>>
>>I believe the Apache Foundation released that Apache 1.3 is susceptable
>>to this attack.  However, with changes made by the devs, it's possible
>>the version in OpenBSD may not be.
>>
>>If you have a spare box, you could always load it up and test it.  I
>>believe there is an Apache killer perl script floating on the 'net that
>>you could use to test with.
>>
>>Shane
>>
>
> *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I  subscribed to the list.
> Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is
tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to
reply off list. Thankyou.
>
> Rod/
> ---
> This life is not the real thing.
> It is not even in Beta.
> If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
>
>



--
Mattieu Baptiste
"/earth is 102% full ... please delete anyone you can."

Re: tp_smapi/hdaps equivalent

[Paolo Reyes Balleza]

On 09/19/11 13:58, Tomas Bodzar wrote:

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Paolo Reyes Balleza
  wrote:

Hello all,

I was wondering if there's an equivalent in OpenBSD of tp_smapi/hdaps
battery control&  hdd protection.


man apm
man systat
man sysctl

$ apm
Battery state: high, 100% remaining, unknown life estimate
A/C adapter state: connected
Performance adjustment mode: cool running (800 MHz)
$

$ systat sensors

3 usersLoad 0.96 1.10 1.32 Mon Sep 19 07:56:22 2011

SENSOR  VALUE  STATUS  DESCRIPTION
acpitz0.temp0  25.00 degC  zone temperature
acpiac0.indicator0 On  power supply
acpibat0.volt0 11.10 V DC  voltage
acpibat0.volt1 12.97 V DC  current voltage
acpibat0.amphour0 5.57 Ah  last
full capacity
acpibat0.amphour1 0.54 Ah  warning capacity
acpibat0.amphour2 0.16 Ah  low capacity
acpibat0.amphour3 5.57 AhOK
remaining capacity
acpibat0.raw0   0 rawOKbattery full
acpibat0.raw1   1 raw  rate
cpu0.temp0 55.00 degC
lisa0.raw0  8 raw  OUT_X
lisa0.raw1  1 raw  OUT_Y
lisa0.raw2 52 raw  OUT_Z

$

see lisa0 for monitoring of accelerometer from disk

$ sysctl hw.sensors
hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=25.00 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.acpiac0.indicator0=On (power supply)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.volt0=11.10 VDC (voltage)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.volt1=12.97 VDC (current voltage)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.amphour0=5.57 Ah (last full capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.amphour1=0.54 Ah (warning capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.amphour2=0.16 Ah (low capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.amphour3=5.57 Ah (remaining capacity), OK
hw.sensors.acpibat0.raw0=0 (battery full), OK
hw.sensors.acpibat0.raw1=1 (rate)
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=59.00 degC
hw.sensors.lisa0.raw0=5 (OUT_X)
hw.sensors.lisa0.raw1=2 (OUT_Y)
hw.sensors.lisa0.raw2=53 (OUT_Z)
$

I have Dell so for you:

$ man -k thinkpad
acpithinkpad (4) - IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad ACPI support
aps (4) - ThinkPad Active Protection System accelerometer
$

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=aps&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html



Using i386-4.9-release on Thinkpad T60.


I'm on current, but probably not so much difference in this specific outputs.



TIA,

Paolo






Thanks for the clue-by-four. :)

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Tomas Bodzar]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Hassan Monfared  wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machinesB (
look
> at Host OS column)

For what? Xen doesn't have OpenBSD in that column and OpenBSD doesn't
have Xen in sources as you can check on OpenBSD pages. Qemu, DosBox
and VAX are in place, but eg. Ldoms doesn't have OpenBSD in that
column even as OpenBSD support that so not so much correct table in
the end.

And eg. this one is not so hard
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2&r=1&s=dom0&q=b

>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Hassan Monfared 
> wrote:
>>
>> IB haven'tB tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there
>> was subject toB B correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen
>> Hosting.
>> NetBSD supports Xen Hostig
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared 
>>> wrote:
>>> > why don't you try xen ?
>>>
>>> Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing
>>> from packages/ports? ;-)
>>>
>>> > The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for
>>> > virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set
>>> > for
>>> > virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures.
>>> > visit Xen at www.Xen.org
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87
>>> >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so
>>> > lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > OpenBSD: host
>>> >> > CentOS: guest
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use
>>> >> > packages
>>> >> from ports. Are there any?
>>> >>
>>> >> Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs
>>> >> fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at
>>> >> all :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you in anticipation.

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Tomas Bodzar]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Hassan Monfared  wrote:
> IB haven'tB tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there
was
> subject toB B correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen
Hosting.
> NetBSD supports Xen Hostig

OpenBSD doesn't mean NetBSD for a very long time

>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared 
>> wrote:
>> > why don't you try xen ?
>>
>> Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing
>> from packages/ports? ;-)
>>
>> > The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for
>> > virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for
>> > virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures.
>> > visit Xen at www.Xen.org
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so
>> > lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
>> >> >
>> >> > OpenBSD: host
>> >> > CentOS: guest
>> >> >
>> >> > What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use
>> >> > packages
>> >> from ports. Are there any?
>> >>
>> >> Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs
>> >> fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at
>> >> all :-)
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you in anticipation.

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Hassan Monfared]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines ( look
at Host OS column)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Hassan Monfared wrote:

> I haven't tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there
> was subject to  correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen
> Hosting.
> NetBSD supports Xen Hostig
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared 
>> wrote:
>> > why don't you try xen ?
>>
>> Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing
>> from packages/ports? ;-)
>>
>> > The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for
>> > virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for
>> > virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures.
>> > visit Xen at www.Xen.org
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87 <
>> lancebayne...@zoho.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so
>> > lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
>> >> >
>> >> > OpenBSD: host
>> >> > CentOS: guest
>> >> >
>> >> > What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use
>> packages
>> >> from ports. Are there any?
>> >>
>> >> Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs
>> >> fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at
>> >> all :-)
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you in anticipation.

Re: Are there any virtualization solutions for OpenBSD? (!important: no package from ports!)

[Hassan Monfared]

I haven't tried Xen on OpenBSD as host, but Xen is open source and there was
subject to  correction of a lock-up bug in OpenBSD to support Xen Hosting.
NetBSD supports Xen Hostig

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Hassan Monfared 
> wrote:
> > why don't you try xen ?
>
> Maybe because he asked for solution with OpenBSD as a host and nothing
> from packages/ports? ;-)
>
> > The XenB. hypervisor, the powerful open source industry standard for
> > virtualization, offers a powerful, efficient, and secure feature set for
> > virtualization of x86, x86_64, IA64, ARM, and other CPU architectures.
> > visit Xen at www.Xen.org
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Tomas Bodzar  >wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM, lancebaynes87  >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20917/are-there-any-virtualization-so
> > lutions-for-openbsd-important-no-package-from
> >> >
> >> > I'm searching for Virtualization solutions:
> >> >
> >> > OpenBSD: host
> >> > CentOS: guest
> >> >
> >> > What are my solutions? I'm searching for one that doesn't use packages
> >> from ports. Are there any?
> >>
> >> Qemu only or switch to real virtualization Ldoms where OpenBSD runs
> >> fine as a host/guest. Not sure how well CentOS runs inside Ldoms if at
> >> all :-)
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thank you in anticipation.