Re: Suggestion
You wrote: > On Friday 09 March 2012 13:10:13 Nomen Nescio wrote: > > > Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? > > > > You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy > > Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 > > on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small > > user space. > > Free copy's of Windows? Do they exist? The point is if you want Windows you have two ways of getting it. You can buy a copy or rip one off. Got it now? Either one runs better than FreactOS
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
Known lazy bastard. On Mar 10, 2012, at 7:33 AM, 0xAAA <0x...@online.de> wrote: > It is quite interesting that any trolling message gets more attention than a > real, OpenBSD related problem (view the threads of the stupid guy which cant > read installation instructions...) > > My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where other > users can discuss about senseless questions. > > And misc should be about real problems/discussions (like it was before stupid > linus-nerds arrived on this list...) > > (sorry for that non-misc related message)
Wireless N availability and Atheros availability
1) I can now run wireless N on phones and tablets, and my laptop when in Windows, but not when in OpenBSD. I understand that there is a lot of work to make this available in openbsd, but is there a rough time line? I am running 5.1current , i386. The card built in is the Intel WiFi Link 5100 minpci card. Is this likely to be available in 5.2, 5.3 ??? 2) The Intel card is okay, but I am told the Atheros chipset is better supported under OpenBSD. The chipset that looks most interesting is: AR9001-3NX2 (AR9160+AR9106)2GHz/5GHz3x3:2PCI Is this available in minpci for a laptop? If so which manufacturers make them? I cannot seem to find a source for them Thanks. Len Zaifman
Re: Suggestion
[ Accidentally replied privately. ] On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Renzo Fabriek wrote: > On Saturday 10 March 2012 18:26:29 you wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Renzo Fabriek >wrote: > > > > > On Friday 09 March 2012 13:10:13 Nomen Nescio wrote: > > > > > Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? > > > > > > > > You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap > to buy > > > > Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or > > > Win 7 > > > > on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty > > > small > > > > user space. > > > > > > Free copy's of Windows? Do they exist? > > > Violating copyright laws because "software should be free" or "I found it > > on the Internet!!!" is dangerous if you actually have a job or your mommy > > and daddy aren't willing to pay your legal costs if you get caught. Like > > stealing money from winos, you might not get caught but it teaches > > dangerous habits that shouldn't be taught in your social life or > > professional life. OpenBSD and the other open sourced operating systems > > have been very good about this: Nomen should not be suggesting dangerous > > habits on a public mailing list. > > > > Also, since so many of do need to work with Windows based software for > > work, it's potentially useful. Samba started tis way, and is now a > mainstay > > of filesharing systems. And when Microsoft drops XP support, a workable > > open source toolkit could be very helpful to access legacy data from > legacy > > applications. I've had this sort of thing happen with Windows, Mac, UNIX, > > and Linux software from obsolete operating systems. It's also handy for > old > > games: I've got a really old Resident Evil game I can only play in > > emulation, because the hardware it ran on is broken. (I keep it in the > > basement so I can say "I have a right to the emulator ROM images".) > > > > Did you CC the list? otherwise I'm the only one who recieved it. :) > > My question was retorical. > I'm afraid that some folks do think that pirated copies are "free". Ethics can be very difficult: is it ethical to steal from a thief? For someone who's living in the "I can steal it for free, why bother with a freeware one" world, explaining ethical or moral behavior can be awkward. > But to respond a bit. It is always funny that the risc is being argued as > reason not to do it while the main reason should be cause it is unethical. > But... i also do make the same mistake. But that doesn't make it less true. > Oh, not always! Perhaps I've spent too much time around people whose ethical values are horrible, trying to convince them by other means to do the right thing. > I fully agree with your message. > > gr > Renzo
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 06:55 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:15:08PM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get > > overwhelming pretty fast. > > What's the relevant info, then ? drive names ? drive sizes ? existing > mbr or disklabels ? > > At the most, remembering you can shell out with ! and using the > appropriate > command to get that (hey, if you don't know any shell, you shouldn't be > using OpenBSD anyway) is currently the best solution. > > I don't see how anything else is going to help the general case. > > I have the feeling you guys are all thinking in terms of the setup you're > accustomed to running OpenBSD onto, and failing to see the generality of > the problem... Yes, a much more useful post than my last. I was extremely rude. I didn't mean to aim it at you directly, Lars. I apologize.
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
Because answering a question requires knowledge, experience, and patience. Now I believe there's a difference between a question and a KLB demanding answers and rainbows. What I find amusing is that a majority of the people with an OpenBSD superiority complex don't know heads or tails of its actual power. There are exceptions on both sides, but let's draw a line of distinction between fanboy and guru. On Mar 10, 2012, at 7:33 AM, 0xAAA <0x...@online.de> wrote: > It is quite interesting that any trolling message gets more attention than a > real, OpenBSD related problem (view the threads of the stupid guy which cant > read installation instructions...) > > My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where other > users can discuss about senseless questions. > > And misc should be about real problems/discussions (like it was before stupid > linus-nerds arrived on this list...) > > (sorry for that non-misc related message)
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:15:08PM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get > overwhelming pretty fast. What's the relevant info, then ? drive names ? drive sizes ? existing mbr or disklabels ? At the most, remembering you can shell out with ! and using the appropriate command to get that (hey, if you don't know any shell, you shouldn't be using OpenBSD anyway) is currently the best solution. I don't see how anything else is going to help the general case. I have the feeling you guys are all thinking in terms of the setup you're accustomed to running OpenBSD onto, and failing to see the generality of the problem...
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia > wrote: > > > With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get > > overwhelming pretty fast. > > > > The idea is interesting, and especially helpful if the machine was > > previously built and the drives ordered differently in a different OS or > > BIOS configuration, changes in hardware RAID or drive controller > > manipulation in the BIOS, or the drives were installed in a different > > machine. > > I don't see why it's hard to shell out. > > ! > # dmesg | grep [hs]d[0-9] > # exit > If you're skilled enough to have the working interfaces and know, from experience, how to dig it up manually, you can. That would certainly not be lost. I was thinking it could be useful for some of the odd setups I've encountered. When I swap hard drives to another host, it's not always clear that I've preserved hard drive ordering. If you've never swapped IDE controller ports accidentally when replacing a motherboard, then you've not done a lot of hardware rebuilding.
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get > overwhelming pretty fast. > > The idea is interesting, and especially helpful if the machine was > previously built and the drives ordered differently in a different OS or > BIOS configuration, changes in hardware RAID or drive controller > manipulation in the BIOS, or the drives were installed in a different > machine. I don't see why it's hard to shell out. ! # dmesg | grep [hs]d[0-9] # exit
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
On 10/03/2012 16:50, Marc Espie wrote: So call the list Trolling, please. & change misc@ to demands@ :) Sevan
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Lars wrote: > Barry Grumbine wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff > > wrote: > >> Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it > >> is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any > >> way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it better. > >> > > > > Sorry, hate to beat a dead horse... There is one use case where I > > would like to see the installer enhanced: > > > > I have a laptop with OpenBSD installed. > > I want to install to a flash/USB drive, or SD card, or eSATA drive... > > I start the laptop with boot > bsd.rd > > Select (I)nstall > > Eventually get to the question: > > > > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > > > At this point I usually say "oh crap", hit ^c, and go read the dmesg > > or `disklabel sd1` to make sure I pick the right disk. > > > > It would be nice if the installer would tell me a little something > > about the available disks so I could pick the right one: > > > > sd0: 238418MB, 512 bytes/sector, 488281250 sectors > > sd1: 1907MB, 512 bytes/sector, 3905536 sectors > > sd2: 3751MB, 512 bytes/sector, 7683072 sectors > > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > > > > > Agree. Even the BIOS boot up screen tells you more information about your > hard drive when the pc boots up (sometimes even the company that made the > drive, like "samsung.." when you boot up.) Things like "sd0" are cryptic > and don't provide much information. > With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get overwhelming pretty fast. The idea is interesting, and especially helpful if the machine was previously built and the drives ordered differently in a different OS or BIOS configuration, changes in hardware RAID or drive controller manipulation in the BIOS, or the drives were installed in a different machine.
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 02:33:50PM +0100, 0xAAA wrote: > It is quite interesting that any trolling message gets more attention > than a > real, OpenBSD related problem (view the threads of the stupid guy which > cant > read installation instructions...) > > My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where > other > users can discuss about senseless questions. Every message is a troll... for instance, "smalltalk" is a programming language, and a very important one at that. So call the list Trolling, please.
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
On 03/10/2012 01:33 PM, 0xAAA wrote: It is quite interesting that any trolling message gets more attention than a real, OpenBSD related problem (view the threads of the stupid guy which cant read installation instructions...) It could be just that people need to let off steam once in a while and have some fun rather then being all serious. Basically creating an OpenBSD "playground" and "letting the animals out of the zoo for a while" so to speak would be a good idea. My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where other users can discuss about senseless questions. misc (miscellaneous) sounds perfect for this: might be better to create a legitimate questi...@openbsd.org list - like we do on FreeBSD, that way people could kinda separate things more clearly Actually as a FreeBSD user for round 3+ years now I'm pretty much signed up to all non-devel based FBSD lists as they all come in useful for legitimate problems and issues. And misc should be about real problems/discussions (like it was before stupid linus-nerds arrived on this list...) Never knew being a nerd was associated with stupidity thought they were spectrally at opposite ends :-P Or is this just an OpenBSD superiority thing?? Hmm. the BSD Daemon insignia. didn't they do that back in 1939??? Look where they got! :-P :-P :-P :-P (sorry for that non-misc related message) P.s. just because am new to OpenBSD and posting back with my thoughts and opinions it doesn't mean that I'm trolling!!! :-) To be honest from what I've seen with OpenBSD to this date: gateway/NAT/router/firewall/VPN concentrator (yep done all this), I really like it and will continue to use it for many years to come and hopefully contribute myself, to help the community. OS wars aside OpenBSD is really cool and as router and network appliance capable OS kicks Cisco right in their ASCII. P.p.s. no lynching me please Regards, Kaya
Re: Request for a new list: trolling
0xAAA <0x...@online.de> writes: > My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where > other > users can discuss about senseless questions. Wouldn't it be even better if we headed them off with a web forum or even a facebook group? - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Request for a new list: trolling
It is quite interesting that any trolling message gets more attention than a real, OpenBSD related problem (view the threads of the stupid guy which cant read installation instructions...) My suggestion: We create a new list, eg. "trolling" or "smalltalk" where other users can discuss about senseless questions. And misc should be about real problems/discussions (like it was before stupid linus-nerds arrived on this list...) (sorry for that non-misc related message)
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 02:39 AM, Lars wrote: > Barry Grumbine wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff > > wrote: > >> Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it > >> is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any > >> way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it better. > >> > > > > Sorry, hate to beat a dead horse... There is one use case where I > > would like to see the installer enhanced: > > > > I have a laptop with OpenBSD installed. > > I want to install to a flash/USB drive, or SD card, or eSATA drive... > > I start the laptop with boot > bsd.rd > > Select (I)nstall > > Eventually get to the question: > > > > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > > > At this point I usually say "oh crap", hit ^c, and go read the dmesg > > or `disklabel sd1` to make sure I pick the right disk. > > > > It would be nice if the installer would tell me a little something > > about the available disks so I could pick the right one: > > > > sd0: 238418MB, 512 bytes/sector, 488281250 sectors > > sd1: 1907MB, 512 bytes/sector, 3905536 sectors > > sd2: 3751MB, 512 bytes/sector, 7683072 sectors > > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > > > > > Agree. Even the BIOS boot up screen tells you more information about your > hard drive when the pc boots up (sometimes even the company that made the > drive, like "samsung.." when you boot up.) Things like "sd0" are cryptic > and don't provide much information. > > I think it should tell me which one will suck my dick. Are you soo stupid to see how retarded this whole thing is All of these questions are driven by colossal ignorance. If you don't know what you are talking about PLEASE STFUP!!
Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)
Barry Grumbine wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff > wrote: >> Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it >> is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any >> way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it better. >> > > Sorry, hate to beat a dead horse... There is one use case where I > would like to see the installer enhanced: > > I have a laptop with OpenBSD installed. > I want to install to a flash/USB drive, or SD card, or eSATA drive... > I start the laptop with boot > bsd.rd > Select (I)nstall > Eventually get to the question: > > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > At this point I usually say "oh crap", hit ^c, and go read the dmesg > or `disklabel sd1` to make sure I pick the right disk. > > It would be nice if the installer would tell me a little something > about the available disks so I could pick the right one: > > sd0: 238418MB, 512 bytes/sector, 488281250 sectors > sd1: 1907MB, 512 bytes/sector, 3905536 sectors > sd2: 3751MB, 512 bytes/sector, 7683072 sectors > Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2 > Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0] > > Agree. Even the BIOS boot up screen tells you more information about your hard drive when the pc boots up (sometimes even the company that made the drive, like "samsung.." when you boot up.) Things like "sd0" are cryptic and don't provide much information.
Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?
On 03/10/2012 08:27 AM, Lars wrote: Kaya Saman wrote: On 03/09/2012 10:35 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Brett wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:12:11AM +1100: I noticed and think its a great title, because it would never be approved by a marketing department. See, Nick *is* the honorary marketing department. Er... well... among other functions. (He is a bit into support as well, kind of.) And the title *was* approved by the CTO - smilingly, no doubt :). Sorry guys am confused what are you on about? What's OpenBSD? How do I install an OS? My computer doesn't start after I posted on this list? Does OpenBSD have a marketing department, I thought it was opensource free software not a product and end users where supposed to be intelligent? I typed in man but nothing happened Type in woman at your unix terminal or on google images. Problem solved. I typed in woman and plural but each time the machine crashes and turns off??? Is it possible that my kernel maybe gay? touch /usr/bin/woman vi #!/sbin/sh halt -p :-P How do I connect OpenBSD to the internet? Not sure, possibly you mean teh internets and not the internet. Everybody called it the web so I decided to seek out an arachnologist, although she laughed at me at the next thing I knew I was in a white room with no windows and doors :-( Is OpenBSD the inernet? You mean teh internets? Spider Webs! Tried catching fish once but our pond was dry :-( Installed X11 now firefox doesn't start? Not sure what your pet animal has to do with anything, you mean your cat? or an actual fox? Did you set your cat on fire? Or your fox? Hmm. when I moved in the council told us that there would be city foxes living in the garden and cats roaming around wild too. Just didn't expect to see any on X11?? I still can't!
Re: Which high end multichannel audio interfaces work?
On 2012 Mar 10 (Sat) at 10:07:25 +0100 (+0100), Jan Stary wrote: :On Mar 09 18:17:50, Jochen Fabricius wrote: :> I want to build a very flexible PC based digital crossover solution, : :What's a "digital crossover solution"? : Ok, seriously. If you do not know what someone is talking about, please do not send noise to the mailing list. I took your exact quote, put it in google, and found relevant answers in *every* *single* *link* on the first few pages. Heck, even the previews had relevance. -- Old age is the most unexpected of things that can happen to a man. -- Trotsky
Re: Snappy Answers to Stupid Questions - WTF?
Kaya Saman wrote: > On 03/09/2012 10:35 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Brett wrote on Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 09:12:11AM +1100: >> >>> I noticed and think its a great title, because it would never be >>> approved by a marketing department. >> See, Nick *is* the honorary marketing department. >> Er... well... among other functions. >> (He is a bit into support as well, kind of.) >> And the title *was* approved by the CTO - smilingly, no doubt :). >> > > Sorry guys am confused what are you on about? > > What's OpenBSD? > > How do I install an OS? > > My computer doesn't start after I posted on this list? > > Does OpenBSD have a marketing department, I thought it was opensource > free software not a product and end users where supposed to be > intelligent? > > > I typed in man but nothing happened > Type in woman at your unix terminal or on google images. Problem solved. > How do I connect OpenBSD to the internet? > Not sure, possibly you mean teh internets and not the internet. > Is OpenBSD the inernet? > > You mean teh internets? > Installed X11 now firefox doesn't start? > > Not sure what your pet animal has to do with anything, you mean your cat? or an actual fox? Did you set your cat on fire? Or your fox?
Re: Which high end multichannel audio interfaces work?
On Mar 09 18:17:50, Jochen Fabricius wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a really high end multichannel (at least 2 in 8 out, > breakout box) audio interface that works with OpenBSD. Obviously the > M-Audio Delta 1010 does, because it is listed in envy(4). But this > interface needs an external power supply, and I want to avoid it is > possible. So I found the Echo Layla 3G > http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php Does anybody > know if this card works with OpenBSD? Or any other interface of similar > quality? > > I want to build a very flexible PC based digital crossover solution, What's a "digital crossover solution"? > with room equalizing and music playback from an internal storage > (planned for later). Yes, I know that there are much cheaper and easier > solutions for this task, what task? > but where is the fun with these? So, you want to buy a high-end 8 channel audio interface, because it's more "fun" than, say, 2-channel? (But an external power supply would take the fun out of it?)
