Re: Clues as to how to record audio
On Jul 26 22:03:12, STeve Andre' wrote: >I'm sitting here reading documentation about audio, but I feel a > little blind, not quite knowing what to look at. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html >I am interested in recording audio, ie my local FM station, via mplayer. If you wan't to record from your analog FM tuner, have a line-out from your FM tuner into your audio device and record it with aucat(1). If you want to record an intenet-streaming radio, just ftp(1) the htttp://radio.org:1234/stream.mp3 - I have written me a simple shell wrapper to do that: http://stare.cz/OpenBSD/radio http://stare.cz/OpenBSD/dot.radiorc > But how to do that eludes me so far. Any clues on how > to capture audio or what pages to read would be appreciated. aucat sndiod
Thank you
MSNBC works now. I'm in London so this means I can see the MSNBC site. Thank you.
Re: man page contents [was: Re: C******.org]
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 17:27, Eric Oyen wrote: > man, > the format of that page is ugly to listen to. lots of back slashes. I noticed > there didn't appear to be any line/returns in there (and that is > something my > screen reader doesn't make clear either). It is a markup language. Is editing HTML any easier? If there's man page content you'd like to see improved, diffs are appreciated but not strictly necessary. I think someone will be able to patch things for you if you provide improved text. But don't just say "the X man page could be better", nobody's going to do anything in response to that.
Clues as to how to record audio
I'm sitting here reading documentation about audio, but I feel a little blind, not quite knowing what to look at. I am interested in recording audio, ie my local FM station, via mplayer. But how to do that eludes me so far. Any clues on how to capture audio or what pages to read would be appreciated. Thanks... STeve Andre'
Re: Calomel.org
On 07/26/12 03:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time and the developer's time, we're not cranky about "calomel" only, we're cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the time and they are pretty well written and complete. 90% of the time the problem is finding the right man page. F.ex. the FAQ starts with pppoe(8) which leads to the gigantic ppp(8) and you're shit out of luck if you read all those only to find out pppoe(4) is what you really want. Try: apropos (1) - locate commands by keyword lookup # apropos ppoe pppoe (4) - PPP Over Ethernet protocol network interface pppoe (8) - PPP Over Ethernet translator If you can't figure it out by reading the FAQ/manpages: you're either not ready for it, or we have a documentation bug. "Not ready" as in "young Skywalker?" That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to Calomel, period. If googling a problem is considered "crass" or "lazy" then remove google site search from openbsd.org. Remove grep while you're at it, let newbies earn their OpenBSD creds by reading source code. What is this, a fucking fraternity? You've got a bug alright: Calomel keeps on popping up despite being wrong, its site designed by a flaming unicorn, scripts made mostly of ASCII-art and useless comments to reinforce the genius of its egomaniacal self-jizz-gobbling writer -- and the conclusion is that the problem lies with that site, or people being stupid, lazy or "not ready". -- p
man page contents [was: Re: C******.org]
man, the format of that page is ugly to listen to. lots of back slashes. I noticed there didn't appear to be any line/returns in there (and that is something my screen reader doesn't make clear either). I will have to find an online version of the man page mentioned below. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Weldon Goree wrote: > On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 10:54 -0700, Eric Oyen wrote: >> well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. > > The pages themselves are marked-up text; just use a text editor. Note > that OpenBSD doesn't use groff anymore to render them. Look at > mandoc(1) > mdoc(7) (the suggested format) > man(7) (the legacy format; you may run across it in older pages you're > editing) > > As an example, here's mdoc(7) in its text format, via cvsweb: > > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/man/man7/mdoc.7?rev=1.93;cont ent-type=text%2Fplain > > That's what you would be editing. > > Weldon > > Weldon
Re: That 'C.......org' website
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nick Holland wrote: > On 07/26/12 06:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > ... >> That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to >> C.l, period. > > yeah... > and by providing another almost 50 pages in every e-mail archive with > that website in the topic, we've just perpetuated the problem. Big time. > > Oops. > > Please...if you are going to respond to a posting about a website that > has crap on it, at least delete or mangle the URL. Don't provide what > the website most wants...more links. > > Nick. > We should just add http://openbsd.org/faq to every subject line! :D
Re: That 'C.......org' website
On 07/26/12 06:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote: ... > That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to > C.l, period. yeah... and by providing another almost 50 pages in every e-mail archive with that website in the topic, we've just perpetuated the problem. Big time. Oops. Please...if you are going to respond to a posting about a website that has crap on it, at least delete or mangle the URL. Don't provide what the website most wants...more links. Nick.
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:24:31PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > >That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss > >here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work > >or you aren't. > > Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal "we"? Are those > mutual favors a currency I can trade for a cash? Will the OpenBSD community > branding me "special" get me more work? pussy? the INS fast-lane? Nope. *IF* > I decide to "put in the work", mylord, it'll be on my own terms so you can > get off your high horse and drop that plastic monocle replica. > > I got my own agenda; if there was general support for a mediawiki-based site > that includes the new Lua bindings I could partially wrap that into my > current job on my remote Lua debugger. Assuming I don't completely botch it, > I would be doing a favour to the OpenBSD community in return for nothing, as > do others, but it's pretty clear by now that change is not exactly welcome. > > I'm not going to piss against the wind and invest energy in a project doomed > to fail, especially given your condescending tone that "does no one any > favors". > > -- p > "I refuse to do any work until my ego is properly stroked!" is no way to go through life.
Re: Calomel.org
Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com] wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > > > /reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are > > really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install > > instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. > > That's because 5" and 8" floppy drives aren't supported for installation. He was just being sarcastic. Peter's (well taken) point is that OpenBSD is crucially lacking support for the larger floppy media from the last 40 years. A large oversight, indeed. Ever since I read it hours ago, I have been working furiously adding support for PDP-11s so that we have something that can accept an 8" floppy drive. I've also decided to take the second challenge, and shrink the install media down to 1.2MB to support a 5.25 floppy. I think we finally have a way out of this mess.
Re: problem in fstab
no. the equivalent to the top/systat behaviour would be to make vi spawn less and ed when 'v' is pressed, not prompt you "are you sure?" less does not work with a dumb terminal as you said. the output eventually gets garbled. if you really want that functionality, look at /.profile. every 120 moons or so, when you actually need to be single user, just source that file. that way vi and mg can be used without duplicating logic in both of them. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mo Libden wrote: > Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:06:02 -0430 от Andres Perera : >> the problem with this logic is that there are numerous curses >> programs: less, top, systat, vi; just to name the ones i recall from >> base. > > since you top-posted, I will too. > what's the problem with top? will it bomb out if there is no TERM? > i think rather than hurrying to answer, you'd better do you homework. > yes, you lose the interactiveness, but all your mentioned programs > do work with dumb terminal no problem! > > $ echo $TERM > xterm > $ unset TERM > $ top > load averages: 0.44, 0.12, 0.04v1.my.domain 05:46:41 > 18 processes: 17 idle, 1 on processor > CPU states: 0.5% user, 0.0% nice, 7.4% system, 0.4% interrupt, 91.7% idle > Memory: Real: 7944K/35M act/tot Free: 206M Cache: 16M Swap: 0K/280M > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE WAIT TIMECPU COMMAND > 1 root 100 452K 352K idle wait 0:01 0.00% init > 17516 root 20 3344K 2580K sleep poll 0:00 0.00% sshd > 31665 _syslogd 20 412K 712K sleep poll 0:00 0.00% syslogd > 15719 user 20 3312K 2112K sleep select0:00 0.00% sshd > 665 root 20 640K 476K idle netio 0:00 0.00% pflogd > 597 root 20 1608K 2052K idle netcon2 0:00 0.00% sendmail > 15280 user 180 740K 520K sleep pause 0:00 0.00% ksh > 28645 root 20 396K 752K idle netio 0:00 0.00% syslogd > 4803 root 20 1452K 1632K sleep select0:00 0.00% sendmail > 1977 root 30 456K 792K idle ttyin 0:00 0.00% getty > 10310 root 30 492K 800K idle ttyin 0:00 0.00% getty >44 root 20 304K 796K idle select0:00 0.00% inetd > 13251 root 20 868K 1216K sleep select0:00 0.00% sshd > 18652 root 20 308K 656K sleep kqread0:00 0.00% apmd > 9421 root 20 692K 880K idle select0:00 0.00% cron > 3016 _pflogd40 704K 312K sleep bpf 0:00 0.00% pflogd > 9936 user 280 348K 768K onproc- 0:00 0.00% top > 24414 _sndio 2 -20 488K 428K idle poll 0:00 0.00% sndiod > > > $ less /etc/motd > WARNING: terminal is not fully functional > /etc/motd (press RETURN) > > ^OpenBSD 5.2 (GENERIC) #0: Sat Jul 14 11:58:37 EEST 2012 > > Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system. > > Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system. > Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest > version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that > enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a > known fix for it exists, include that as well. > ~ > ~ > $ > $ systat > > > 1 usersLoad 0.38 0.13 0.05 Fri Jul 20 05:47:04 2012 > > > $ > >> surely retrofitting them with prompts isn't an option, specially when >> having TERM unset isn't the norm >> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mo Libden wrote: >> > Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:46:55 + от Alexander Polakov : >> >> * HvN [120724 17:17]: >> >> > I booted into single user mode, mounted / and /usr according to FAQ 8. >> >> > However, when I try to use vi to change fstab, it says "unknown terminal >> >> > type". Any suggestions ? >> >> >> >> export TERM=vt220 >> > >> > may be vi can be modified to ask for terminal type if it is not defined, something like the following: >> > >> > vi: unknown terminal type, please enter the type of the terminal [vt220]: _
Re: Calomel.org
>That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss >here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work >or you aren't. Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal "we"? Are those mutual favors a currency I can trade for a cash? Will the OpenBSD community branding me "special" get me more work? pussy? the INS fast-lane? Nope. *IF* I decide to "put in the work", mylord, it'll be on my own terms so you can get off your high horse and drop that plastic monocle replica. I got my own agenda; if there was general support for a mediawiki-based site that includes the new Lua bindings I could partially wrap that into my current job on my remote Lua debugger. Assuming I don't completely botch it, I would be doing a favour to the OpenBSD community in return for nothing, as do others, but it's pretty clear by now that change is not exactly welcome. I'm not going to piss against the wind and invest energy in a project doomed to fail, especially given your condescending tone that "does no one any favors". -- p
Re: editing man pages for the blind in mind [was: Re: Calomel.org]
yep. looks like I need to come up to current then. 4.7 is definitely a little out of date. I might have to set it up in a vmware session on the linux box and see if I can pipe the console to an internal serial port and read it with a common comm application. the X display would be a bit harder to deal with without some initial sighted assistance to get things up and running. I seriously wish I could get OpenBSD working with orca on my powerbook G3 Lombard. I had tried before with the help of another member on here (Super Biscuit) but ran into a few problems, mostly resulting from an issue with ALTIVEC, which isn't on that version of the PPC chipset). -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Peter Hessler wrote: > Hi Eric > > We do seem to have orca in ports: > > Port: orca-3.4.2p0 > Path: x11/gnome/orca > > If this is not up to date, or doesn't work for you, please let us know. > > > On 2012 Jul 26 (Thu) at 13:23:27 -0700 (-0700), Eric Oyen wrote: > :well, > : > :its pretty good in a remote session. I tried installing an X screen reader > :from ports and was met with a number of unsatisfied dependencies. that was > :several months back and I am not sure that things have changed that much. ORCA > :is about the only screen reader that will work reliably, but getting it there > :is a massive load of work hunting down source packages that are not yet in the > :ports tree.
Windows 7 and IkeV2 VPN Issue
Hello fellow OpenBSD users, I've run into a of couple issues with setting up and IKE IPSEC VPN with a windows 7 native client. Now I've ran through the lists and have found a solution to get it working somewhat how I'd like it working. I currently have this in my iked.conf: ikev2 passive esp \ from 192.168.200.0/24 to 10.10.10.0/24 local any peer any \ srcid xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx \ config address 10.10.10.1 \ config name-server 192.168.200.x And on my W7 client I have a static IP configured and using machine certificates. I connect there with no issue and everything is kosher...kind of. I want to use a username and password so I have this in my iked.conf: user "my user ID" "Wouldn't_you_like_to_know?" ikev2 passive esp \ from 192.168.200.0/24 to 10.10.10.0/24 local any peer any \ eap "mschap-v2" \ srcid xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx \ config address 10.10.10.1 \ config name-server 192.168.200.x \ tag "$name-$id" When I do this I get an error: Error Code 13803 "IKE Negotiation in progress" and it just sits there. Has anyone gotten this to work before? I run iked in debug mode with verbose output and receiving the following; /etc/iked.conf: loaded 2 configuration rules config_new_user: inserting new user my_user user "my_user" "password" config_getpolicy: received policy ikev2 "win7" passive esp from 192.168.200.0/24 to 10.10.10.0/24 local any peer any ikesa enc aes-256,aes-192,ca_reload: loaded ca file ca.crt aes-128,3des prf hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha1,hmac-md5 auth hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha1,hmac-md5 group modp2048-256,modp2048,modp1536,modp1024 childsa enc aes-256,aes-192,aes-128 auth hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha1 srcid xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxca_reload: loaded crl file ca.crl lifetime 10800 bytes 536870912 eap "MSCHAP_V2" config address 10.10.10.7 ca_reload: /C=US/ST=/L=/O=xxx.com/OU=VPN/CN=cerberus.xxx.x/e mailAddress=info@xxx.xx config_getpfkey: received pfkey fd 4 ca_reload: loaded 1 ca certificate config_getcompile: compilation done config_getsocket: received socket fd 11 config_getsocket: received socket fd 12 config_getsocket: received socket fd 14 config_getsocket: received socket fd 20 ca_reload: loaded cert file xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.crt ca_validate_cert: /C=US/ST=/L=/O=xxx.com/OU=VPN/CN=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/emailAdd ress=i...@xxx.com ok ikev2_dispatch_cert: updated local CERTREQ signatures length 20 ikev2_recv: IKE_SA_INIT from initiator xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:56506 to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:500 policy 'win7', 792 bytes ikev2_policy2id: srcid IPV4/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx length 8 ikev2_pld_parse: header ispi 0x46459f2713e1d8d3 rspi 0x nextpayload SA version 0x20 exchange IKE_SA_INIT flags 0x08 msgid 0 length 792 response 0 ikev2_pld_payloads: payload SA nextpayload KE critical 0x00 length 520 ikev2_pld_sa: more 2 reserved 0 length 40 proposal #1 protoid IKE spisize 0 xforms 4 spi 0 ikev2_pld_xform: more 3 reserved 0 length 8 type ENCR id 3DES ikev2_pld_xform: more 3 reserved 0 length 8 type INTEGR id HMAC_SHA1_96 ikev2_pld_xform: more 3 reserved 0 length 8 type PRF id HMAC_SHA1 ikev2_pld_xform: more 0 reserved 0 length 8 type DH id MODP_1024 ikev2_pld_payloads: payload KE nextpayload NONCE critical 0x00 length 136 ikev2_pld_ke: dh group MODP_1024 reserved 0 ikev2_pld_payloads: payload NONCE nextpayload NOTIFY critical 0x00 length 52 ikev2_pld_payloads: payload NOTIFY nextpayload NOTIFY critical 0x00 length 28 ikev2_pld_notify: protoid NONE spisize 0 type NAT_DETECTION_SOURCE_IP ikev2_nat_detection: peer source 0x46459f2713e1d8d3 0x xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:56506 ikev2_pld_notify: NAT_DETECTION_SOURCE_IP detected NAT, enabling UDP encapsulation ikev2_pld_payloads: payload NOTIFY nextpayload NONE critical 0x00 length 28 ikev2_pld_notify: protoid NONE spisize 0 type NAT_DETECTION_DESTINATION_IP ikev2_nat_detection: peer destination 0x46459f2713e1d8d3 0x xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:500 sa_state: INIT -> SA_INIT ikev2_sa_negotiate: score 23 sa_stateok: SA_INIT flags 0x00, require 0x00 sa_stateflags: 0x00 -> 0x08 sa (required 0x00 ) ikev2_sa_keys: SKEYSEED with 20 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: S with 96 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T1 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T2 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T3 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T4 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T5 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T6 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T7 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: T8 with 20 bytes ikev2_prfplus: Tn with 160 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_d with 20 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_ai with 20 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_ar with 20 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_ei with 24 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_er with 24 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_pi with 20 bytes ikev2_sa_keys: SK_pr with 20 bytes ikev2_add_proposals: length 40 ikev2_next_payload: length 44 nextpayload KE ikev2_next_payload: length 136 nextpayload NONCE ikev2_next_payload: length 36 nextpayload NOTIFY ikev2_nat_detection: local source 0x46459f2713e1d8d3 0x7916745180423feb xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:500 ikev2_next_pa
editing man pages for the blind in mind [was: Re: Calomel.org]
well, its pretty good in a remote session. I tried installing an X screen reader from ports and was met with a number of unsatisfied dependencies. that was several months back and I am not sure that things have changed that much. ORCA is about the only screen reader that will work reliably, but getting it there is a massive load of work hunting down source packages that are not yet in the ports tree. I tried to get speakup running (by enabling Linux executables in Sysctl) but had problems with it wanting to load kernel modules (linux only). so, speakup is a dead end. ORCA is python based, so it has less of an issue. I seriously wish to have a console level screen reader that can startup after hardware detection is complete. one last item, the machine I am using to testbed this doesn't have a dedicated serial port (they no longer include those on commodity hardware anymore) so having the output routed there is out. there is a USB to serial converter, but it is rather expensive. I am not sure how supported that would be in OpenBSD (that is yet another project I have to hold off on until after I acquire my training up at the colorado center for the blind). one nice thing I like about OpenBSD is the ease of use that PF has. When properly commented, I can easily understand and edit the rules with nano )or ssh get it and edit it with textedit here on OS X which is easier). Anyway, thats my take on OpenBSD so far. I am still a few versions behind current. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: > Eric Oyen wrote: >> I mentioned being blind. > > So overall how is OBSD when one is a blind user? > > -- > Jack Woehr # "We commonly say we have no time when, > Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is." > http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: [SPAM]: Re: (no subject)
yeah. Gmail is famous for that. It is also famous for the number of false positives. I will have to see if I can find a version of SpamAssasin to run locally here. the Mail.app application here on OS X has some filtering abilities, but they are woefully inadequate to the task. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:44, Eric Oyen wrote: >> is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late? > > There's a spam filter, sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. You > should probably be running your own. > > As an aside, gmail's spam filter is great until it isn't.
USB not working after resume
I've read something about this in older posts. I don't know if there is some advance on this issue. My laptop is a lenovo T410 running last Openbsd snapshot (about 24/07/2012) and the behaviour is the same as in 5.1: USB ports ko after resume. Is this something related to USB 3.0? Thanks in advance, Jes
Re: Calomel.org
well, I can give that a whirl. you should hear how those text attributes sound in my screen reader. its much the same as trying to pick out an object at range among a bunch of moving scenery. the man piped through more scheme is the biggest part of the problem, especially on remote sessions. As an aside, I have tried looking at some man pages placed on the net. to say they are a model of readability given all the other links and associated crapola is anything but true. In some cases, its confusing to the point of not wanting to deal with. anyway, back to reading and thanks for some of the suggestions. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54, Eric Oyen wrote: >> well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may >> have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader >> (both >> in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I >> navigate through a man page in a terminal session. > > man typically pipes the output through more (or less). But if you > plan to edit the page, you feed the input through mandoc. There are > several supported output formats, but the default is ascii text. One > thing to note is that the output renders bold text as > letter-backspace-letter, which looks really funny in a text editor, > but works ok for terminals and more. You probably want to read the > mandoc man page itself carefully, you may be able to build a better > interface to man pages if the man/more combo isn't good for you.
Re: [SPAM]: Re: (no subject)
Eric Oyen wrote: is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late? Bogofilter removes almost all the spam for me. But when somebody replies to it, the spam does get through ;) Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote: > Weldon Goree wrote: > >mdoc(7) (the suggested format) > Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for > mdoc format? vi !Gmandoc|more u
Re: Calomel.org
Marc Espie wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote: Weldon Goree wrote: mdoc(7) (the suggested format) Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for mdoc format? vi !Gmandoc|more u funny guy :) -- Jack Woehr # "We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is." http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Calomel.org
Ingo Schwarze wrote: The mdoc(7) language is quite easy. Fascinating exposition ... I guessed the nature of the language from the example. A generation better than groff format-based concept. As with any language, maturing your style will take a bit longer. Well, not sure how much more my style will mature. Recently passed 60th birthday and spend most of these days playing music, chess, and with grandchildren :) Yours, Ingo Nice to chat with you again, Ingo. Keep up your excellent work. -- Jack Woehr # "We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is." http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Calomel.org
the web page server is for displaying them in a way my screen reader can handle. didn't you pay attention in my posting? I mentioned being blind. as for editing man pages using a text editor, frankly, that is a bit tedious as there is a lot of text attributes and other invisible "features" embedded in the man pages themselves. btw, for me, this is not a simple no step process. I doubt you understand the constraints I operate under here. So, I will just leave it at that anyway, I think this thread is going a bit far afield from its intended topic. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, bert wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54:25AM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote: >> well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may > > What's your favorite text editor? > >> have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader (both >> in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I >> navigate through a man page in a terminal session. >> >> There was a web page converter that would take man pages and convert them to >> web content. it required installing a specific package, starting a local web >> server and then typing in a URL bar in a web client the command: "man: > page here>". I was never entirely able to get that to work on either OS X or >> linux. I may have to look for the same package in ports (once I remember its >> name). > > Why in the hell do you need a web browser to edit man pages? Why does > the world insist on 7 steps for a no-step process? > >> >> anyway, there are those of us out here willing to do the work, but would >> appreciate some preliminary documentation from DEVS as to what goes where. > > man roof
Re: Calomel.org
Hi Jack, Jack Woehr wrote on Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600: > is there a WYSIWIG editor for mdoc format? No, and there cannot be. The purpose of a WYSIWIG editor is to achieve a particular visual impression (most WYSIWIG editors suck even at that task, but that's beside the point). The purpose of the mdoc(7) format is semantic annotation of words - as in: This word is a placeholder for a command line argument. That word is the name of a special environment variable (and has to be typed verbatim). These words are optional. Either of those can be provided as an alternative. Here is a function name and here are its arguments. As with all semantic annotation formats, presentation is left to the formatting frontend, so WYSIWIG is completely meaningless in that context. Output will look *very* different on an ASCII terminal, as a PDF document, even as HTML in firefox or lynx. The mdoc(7) language is quite easy. Reading mdoc(7), you can learn the basics quickly. As with any language, maturing your style will take a bit longer. Yours, Ingo
Re: [SPAM]: Re: (no subject)
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:44, Eric Oyen wrote: > is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late? There's a spam filter, sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. You should probably be running your own. As an aside, gmail's spam filter is great until it isn't.
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54, Eric Oyen wrote: > well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may > have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader > (both > in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I > navigate through a man page in a terminal session. man typically pipes the output through more (or less). But if you plan to edit the page, you feed the input through mandoc. There are several supported output formats, but the default is ascii text. One thing to note is that the output renders bold text as letter-backspace-letter, which looks really funny in a text editor, but works ok for terminals and more. You probably want to read the mandoc man page itself carefully, you may be able to build a better interface to man pages if the man/more combo isn't good for you.
editing and converting manuals
Hi Eric, Eric Oyen wrote on Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54:25AM -0700: > well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. > also, I may have to change how a man page would be laid out because > my screen reader (both in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling > the change in content when I navigate through a man page in a terminal > session. I don't think i understand what exactly the problem is, but if the problem exists with OpenBSD as well (not just Linux and OS X), i'd be interested in understanding the problem and considering whether anything can be done about it. Are you running your screen reader with terminal output or with an X session, i.e. man(1) in getty(8) or man(1) in an xterm(1)? Is the problem mitigated (or aggravated) when you change the line _build .[1-9n] /usr/bin/mandoc %s in the file /etc/man.conf to read: _build .[1-9n] /usr/bin/mandoc %s | col -b I'm not suggesting that for production, just to better understand your issue. Can you, in any way, give more details about what exactly is inconvenient about the way manuals get presented to you? > There was a web page converter that would take man pages and convert > them to web content. it required installing a specific package, > starting a local web server and then typing in a URL bar in a web > client the command: "man: page here>". I was never entirely > able to get that to work on either OS X or linux. Wow, that sounds terribly contorted, i'd recomment against all the elements in that approach. Almost certainly, there is no need for packages(7) any longer. Does output from the following command please you: mandoc -Thtml /usr/share/man/man1/cat.1 | lynx -stdin If it does, you could try to play around with man.conf(5), for example like this: _build .[1-9n] /usr/bin/mandoc -Thtml %s And then set the following variable, maybe even in .profile: export MANPAGER="lynx -force_html" Again, i'm not saying this is the way to go, just trying to fan out some weird ideas, that might or might not help you... Not sure HTML is the way to go at all, it seems more likely that you can somehow get -Tascii to work well for you, but *if* you have to go for HTML for whatever reason, there are lots of ways to do it without requiring packages, web servers, or typing into URL bars... > anyway, there are those of us out here willing to do the work, but would > appreciate some preliminary documentation from DEVS as to what goes where. Hum, i understand you want to help improving manuals - which is clearly welcome. If you need to know anything specific to become able to send patches, and fail to find it yourself, just ask, and try to ask as precisely to the point as you can! Yours, Ingo
Re: Calomel.org
Weldon Goree wrote: mdoc(7) (the suggested format) Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for mdoc format? -- Jack Woehr # "We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is." http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54:25AM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote: > well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may What's your favorite text editor? > have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader (both > in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I > navigate through a man page in a terminal session. > > There was a web page converter that would take man pages and convert them to > web content. it required installing a specific package, starting a local web > server and then typing in a URL bar in a web client the command: "man: page here>". I was never entirely able to get that to work on either OS X or > linux. I may have to look for the same package in ports (once I remember its > name). Why in the hell do you need a web browser to edit man pages? Why does the world insist on 7 steps for a no-step process? > > anyway, there are those of us out here willing to do the work, but would > appreciate some preliminary documentation from DEVS as to what goes where. man roff > > -eric > > On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:20 AM, bert wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:43:10PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a > semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT > AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! > >>> > >>> Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. > >> > >> Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd > maintainers are waiting to see tank. > >> > >> -- p > >> > > > > Or you can provide patches to the official documentation, either in OpenBSD > > itself, or do the universe a favor and document the various softwares out > > there that have little-to-no documentation and see if they're up to snuff. > > > > That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody's > > here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work > > or you aren't.
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 10:54 -0700, Eric Oyen wrote: > well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. The pages themselves are marked-up text; just use a text editor. Note that OpenBSD doesn't use groff anymore to render them. Look at mandoc(1) mdoc(7) (the suggested format) man(7) (the legacy format; you may run across it in older pages you're editing) As an example, here's mdoc(7) in its text format, via cvsweb: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/man/man7/mdoc.7?rev=1.93;content-type=text%2Fplain That's what you would be editing. Weldon Weldon
Re: net connection via USB
On Jul 26 13:30:01, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > On 26 July 2012 13:01, Jan Stary wrote: > > On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote: > >> On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary wrote: > >> >> On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, "Jan Stary" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Is there any support present or planned for Ethernet over USB? > >> >> > > >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB#Treat_USB_as_an_Ethernet_network > >> >> > > >> >> > The motivation is to conenct my smartphone via USB to my workstation, > >> >> > thus having the phone connected to the net without either a wifi AP > >> >> > or using the operator's network data tarif. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Jul 21 16:32:31, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > >> >> Yes see urndis > >> > > >> > My phone is Samsung GT-I5510, which is a Samsung Galaxy, > >> > which urndis(4) mentiones as supprted. Does someone use it > >> > as a urndis device? Should it report as a urndis device > >> > once connected via USB? I only get > >> > > >> > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics > >> > Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 > >> > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, > >> > initiator 0 > >> > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 > >> > 0/direct removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce > >> > > >> > i.e. it only exposes itself as a umass device. > >> > >> urndis(4) should connect to this phone in -current, > > > > Today's current/amd64 doesn't: > > > > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics > > Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 > > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only > > scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 > > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct > > removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce > > > > Is someone is using a Samsung Galaxy as a urndis device, > > would you please share the dmesg? > > > > Note: "SAMSUNG GT-I5510" is probably not entirely the same as > > Samsung Galaxy S / S2" which the urndis manpage mentions. > > > > > > Did you go into your phone settings and enabled "USB Tethering ?" No I didn't. Thanks. umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce sd3 detached scsibus4 detached umass1 detached urndis0 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 urndis0: address 5a:88:2a:39:c9:e2 The umass detaching and urndis0 attaching is when I 'cancel' the mass storage offer from the phone and turn on tethering instead. > >> it presents an > >> ethernet-like interface, # ifconfig urndis0 urndis0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 lladdr 5a:88:2a:39:c9:e2 priority: 0 inet6 fe80::5888:2aff:fe39:c9e2%urndis0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > >> normally you would run dhclient on a > >> computer to connect via the phone - the computer will then use the > >> phone for internet access via whichever method it's connected, > >> wifi/3g/gprs/etc). # dhclient urndis0 DHCPDISCOVER on urndis0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 DHCPOFFER from 192.168.42.129 (0e:5e:9f:f4:05:70) DHCPREQUEST on urndis0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPREQUEST on urndis0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 DHCPACK from 192.168.42.129 (0e:5e:9f:f4:05:70) bound to 192.168.42.164 -- renewal in 1800 seconds. DHCPACK from 192.168.42.129 (0e:5e:9f:f4:05:70) # arp -a ? (192.168.42.129) at 0e:5e:9f:f4:05:70 on urndis0 gw.stare.cz (192.168.111.1) at 00:0d:b9:12:9f:2d on re0 So yes, the urndis0 is now an ethernet device of my computer and I can run dhclient on it, and the phone will make me a DHCPOFFER. Anyway, the other way a round is what I am after ... > >> Howeverit's just a network interface, so I imagine that if you > >> have access to change the phone's routing table (which will probably > >> require the phone to be rooted) then I don't see why you couldn't > >> change the default route on the phone... Rooting the phone is what I was trying to avoid, A quick search for "android routing table" suggests it is not entirely impossible ...
Re: Calomel.org
well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader (both in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I navigate through a man page in a terminal session. There was a web page converter that would take man pages and convert them to web content. it required installing a specific package, starting a local web server and then typing in a URL bar in a web client the command: "man: ". I was never entirely able to get that to work on either OS X or linux. I may have to look for the same package in ports (once I remember its name). anyway, there are those of us out here willing to do the work, but would appreciate some preliminary documentation from DEVS as to what goes where. -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:20 AM, bert wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:43:10PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! >>> >>> Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. >> >> Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd maintainers are waiting to see tank. >> >> -- p >> > > Or you can provide patches to the official documentation, either in OpenBSD > itself, or do the universe a favor and document the various softwares out > there that have little-to-no documentation and see if they're up to snuff. > > That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody's > here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work > or you aren't.
[SPAM]: Re: (no subject)
is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late? -eric On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Jan Izary wrote: > Learn H0w T0 Earn M0ney 0nline N0w >
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:43:10PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > >> The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a > >> semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT > >> AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! > > > >Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. > > Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd > maintainers are waiting to see tank. > > -- p > Or you can provide patches to the official documentation, either in OpenBSD itself, or do the universe a favor and document the various softwares out there that have little-to-no documentation and see if they're up to snuff. That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody's here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work or you aren't.
Re[4]: problem in fstab
Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:06:02 -0430 от Andres Perera : > the problem with this logic is that there are numerous curses > programs: less, top, systat, vi; just to name the ones i recall from > base. since you top-posted, I will too. what's the problem with top? will it bomb out if there is no TERM? i think rather than hurrying to answer, you'd better do you homework. yes, you lose the interactiveness, but all your mentioned programs do work with dumb terminal no problem! $ echo $TERM xterm $ unset TERM $ top load averages: 0.44, 0.12, 0.04v1.my.domain 05:46:41 18 processes: 17 idle, 1 on processor CPU states: 0.5% user, 0.0% nice, 7.4% system, 0.4% interrupt, 91.7% idle Memory: Real: 7944K/35M act/tot Free: 206M Cache: 16M Swap: 0K/280M PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE WAIT TIMECPU COMMAND 1 root 100 452K 352K idle wait 0:01 0.00% init 17516 root 20 3344K 2580K sleep poll 0:00 0.00% sshd 31665 _syslogd 20 412K 712K sleep poll 0:00 0.00% syslogd 15719 user 20 3312K 2112K sleep select0:00 0.00% sshd 665 root 20 640K 476K idle netio 0:00 0.00% pflogd 597 root 20 1608K 2052K idle netcon2 0:00 0.00% sendmail 15280 user 180 740K 520K sleep pause 0:00 0.00% ksh 28645 root 20 396K 752K idle netio 0:00 0.00% syslogd 4803 root 20 1452K 1632K sleep select0:00 0.00% sendmail 1977 root 30 456K 792K idle ttyin 0:00 0.00% getty 10310 root 30 492K 800K idle ttyin 0:00 0.00% getty 44 root 20 304K 796K idle select0:00 0.00% inetd 13251 root 20 868K 1216K sleep select0:00 0.00% sshd 18652 root 20 308K 656K sleep kqread0:00 0.00% apmd 9421 root 20 692K 880K idle select0:00 0.00% cron 3016 _pflogd40 704K 312K sleep bpf 0:00 0.00% pflogd 9936 user 280 348K 768K onproc- 0:00 0.00% top 24414 _sndio 2 -20 488K 428K idle poll 0:00 0.00% sndiod $ less /etc/motd WARNING: terminal is not fully functional /etc/motd (press RETURN) ^OpenBSD 5.2 (GENERIC) #0: Sat Jul 14 11:58:37 EEST 2012 Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system. Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system. Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a known fix for it exists, include that as well. ~ ~ $ $ systat 1 usersLoad 0.38 0.13 0.05 Fri Jul 20 05:47:04 2012 $ > surely retrofitting them with prompts isn't an option, specially when > having TERM unset isn't the norm > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mo Libden wrote: > > Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:46:55 + от Alexander Polakov : > >> * HvN [120724 17:17]: > >> > I booted into single user mode, mounted / and /usr according to FAQ 8. > >> > However, when I try to use vi to change fstab, it says "unknown terminal > >> > type". Any suggestions ? > >> > >> export TERM=vt220 > > > > may be vi can be modified to ask for terminal type if it is not defined, > > something like the following: > > > > vi: unknown terminal type, please enter the type of the terminal [vt220]: _
[5.1] pflow(4) flow with starttime *after* endtime
Hello, We have just noticed that pflow (v5) sometime (but often) uses a StartTime value which is later than the EndTime. So the duration is interpreted 4294966.29600 secondes. This confuses our collector (nfsen). (wireshark) pdu 19/30 SrcAddr: 194.57.169.116 (194.57.169.116) DstAddr: 129.20.254.1 (129.20.254.1) NextHop: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) InputInt: 0 OutputInt: 0 Packets: 3 Octets: 164 [Duration: 4294966.29600 seconds] StartTime: 251367.0 seconds EndTime: 251366.0 seconds SrcPort: 55680 DstPort: 53 padding TCP Flags: 0x00 Protocol: 6 IP ToS: 0x00 SrcAS: 0 DstAS: 0 SrcMask: 0 (prefix: 194.57.169.116/32) DstMask: 0 (prefix: 129.20.254.1/32) padding Any clue? Thanks, regards.
web site idea of the week
I just realized I haven't sent out a suggestion on how to improve the web site this week. I apologize for the delay, I know how eagerly some people look forward to ignoring my ideas. The FAQ has a couple sections that combine instructions interleaved with screen output (the install section being a prime example). The idea is to give the user an example of exactly what they'll see, but on the downside it makes the instructions harder to follow. I think it would read much easier if the page were reformatted as a table with two columns, instructions and examples.
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: > /reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are > really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install > instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. That's because 5" and 8" floppy drives aren't supported for installation.
Re: patch for the afterboot.8 man page
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:50:09AM -0700, Claus Assmann wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, John Long wrote: > > > Third time's the charm? > > No. If you take a look at the file, you'll see that each new > sentence starts at a new line. That's what someone was trying to > tell you before... (this convention makes diffs simpler). Not having seen any examples... If this is ok, all fine and dandy. If not, you can all get yourselves another diffing boy ;) Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v retrieving revision 1.136 diff -u -r1.136 afterboot.8 --- src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 1 Mar 2012 04:38:10 - 1.136 +++ src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 26 Jul 2012 16:18:57 - @@ -60,6 +60,9 @@ Administrators will rapidly become more familiar with .Ox if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. +.Pp +The OpenBSD FAQ can be found at +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq . .Ss Errata By the time that you have installed your system, it is quite likely that bugs in the release have been found. -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Calomel.org [patch for the afterboot.8 man page]
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:23 AM, John Long wrote: > +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq . mdoc(7) says Lk should be used for hyperlinks, though we don't actually do that in any of our manuals currently. I think it would be nice to start doing so though so that HTML and PDF formatted manual pages can provide proper hyperlinks.
Re: patch for the afterboot.8 man page
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, John Long wrote: > Third time's the charm? No. If you take a look at the file, you'll see that each new sentence starts at a new line. That's what someone was trying to tell you before... (this convention makes diffs simpler).
Re: Calomel.org [patch for the afterboot.8 man page]
A list member pointed out I could shorten the diff further by not including the index.html part of the URL. Third time's the charm? Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v retrieving revision 1.136 diff -u -r1.136 afterboot.8 --- src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 1 Mar 2012 04:38:10 - 1.136 +++ src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 26 Jul 2012 15:19:39 - @@ -59,7 +59,9 @@ .Pp Administrators will rapidly become more familiar with .Ox -if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. +if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. Another important +source of information is the OpenBSD FAQ at +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq . .Ss Errata By the time that you have installed your system, it is quite likely that bugs in the release have been found. -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: net connection via USB
* Stuart Henderson [2012-07-23 12:02]: > I think you mean that the phone uses the computer's internet connection, > is that correct? > > I haven't heard of any such driver planned, but I wonder if there are > any devices other than the ipaq which actually support this, it seems like > it would be a bit of a niche market... I have searched for that a little bit, since I am sometimes in countries where you find basically no open wlan and having the phone without data access for days... sucks. short story: no way unless you root your android device. the android side is the problem, nothing we can fix. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services. Dedicated Servers, Root to Fully Managed Henning Brauer Consulting, http://henningbrauer.com/
Re: Calomel.org [patch for the afterboot.8 man page]
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:12:50PM +0200, David Coppa wrote: > Please, > > One sentence, one line... Ok, here we go: Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v retrieving revision 1.136 diff -u -r1.136 afterboot.8 --- src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 1 Mar 2012 04:38:10 - 1.136 +++ src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 26 Jul 2012 14:39:59 - @@ -59,7 +59,9 @@ .Pp Administrators will rapidly become more familiar with .Ox -if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. +if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. Another important +source of information is the OpenBSD FAQ at +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html . .Ss Errata By the time that you have installed your system, it is quite likely that bugs in the release have been found. -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Calomel.org
>> The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a >> semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT >> AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! > >Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd maintainers are waiting to see tank. -- p
Re: Any recommendation for WAN optimization?
On 2012-07-24, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > Particularly for MS SQL kind of stuff? > > Do we have anything interesting in ports? > Most of the "wan optimization" software has fairly deep knowledge of the protocols and can either spoof responses to avoid high round-trip-time delays or can cache data locally to avoid sending it over the wire. The knowledge behind doing this with proprietary protocols is usually not the sort of thing which people give away for free. The only thing in ports approaching this is for HTTP (squid). > Using ssh with -C flag? This might help for some protocols if your lines are slow. You'll want to make sure you disable SSL/TLS/etc in the application protocol, compression isn't going to help encrypted data. Depends on the application but you might do better with remote desktop connections rather than running sql remotely.
Re: Calomel.org
On 2012-07-26, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Paulm wrote: >>> Dynamic content & proper search would also put an end to "just wade through > marc.info" fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to "egrep -Rli > serial /usr/share/man", say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/, > they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no > FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions crucially > leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. >> >> I don't understand why the floppy install option gets you so riled up. >> I happen to have a couple of IBM Thinkpads from the early 2000's, >> which still work quite well with the exception of unreliable cdrom >> drives. So I like knowing the floppy option is there. >> > > because ftp(1) source reads like porky pig trying to tell you about a > handy tcp stream transfer protocol, only that his characteristic > stutter is replaced with "#ifndef SMALL" > > this is subtle eye protection. it's to make you go "ugh" and turn away before you get corrupted by what's there if you look beyond the ifdefs...
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Re: Calomel.org [patch for the afterboot.8 man page]
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Long wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:56:44AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote: >> > >> > Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not >> > change to much between releases? Or is that not interesting either? >> >> Maybe you should, _at least_, read the www page, _at least_ to know that >> a FAQ already exists. >> > > I was thinking if there was a reference to the FAQ in the afterboot man page > this should be less of an issue: > > Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 > === > RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v > retrieving revision 1.136 > diff -u -r1.136 afterboot.8 > --- src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 1 Mar 2012 04:38:10 - 1.136 > +++ src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 26 Jul 2012 13:50:30 - > @@ -60,6 +60,13 @@ > Administrators will rapidly become more familiar with > .Ox > if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. > +.Ss OpenBSD FAQ > +Many common and some not-so-common questions and answers about OpenBSD have > +been collected in the OpenBSD FAQ. It is one of the first places you should > +look for the answers to any tuning or setup questions. It has links to other > +informative documents that will help with OpenBSD-specific questions. It can > +be found at > +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html. > .Ss Errata > By the time that you have installed your system, it is quite likely that > bugs in the release have been found. Please, One sentence, one line... cheers David
Re: Calomel.org
Peter Laufenberg wrote: > Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot > down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question > answered on misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. Go ahead, make it so. I'm not being sarcastic. Well, only a little. > It'd do wonders for misc's signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards > and trolls would think twice before posting Uh, no, those would just continue since they ignore existing documentation pretty much by definition. > The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a > semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT > AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: Calomel.org [patch for the afterboot.8 man page]
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:56:44AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > > > > Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not > > change to much between releases? Or is that not interesting either? > > Maybe you should, _at least_, read the www page, _at least_ to know that > a FAQ already exists. > I was thinking if there was a reference to the FAQ in the afterboot man page this should be less of an issue: Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v retrieving revision 1.136 diff -u -r1.136 afterboot.8 --- src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 1 Mar 2012 04:38:10 - 1.136 +++ src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8 26 Jul 2012 13:50:30 - @@ -60,6 +60,13 @@ Administrators will rapidly become more familiar with .Ox if they get used to using the high quality manual pages. +.Ss OpenBSD FAQ +Many common and some not-so-common questions and answers about OpenBSD have +been collected in the OpenBSD FAQ. It is one of the first places you should +look for the answers to any tuning or setup questions. It has links to other +informative documents that will help with OpenBSD-specific questions. It can +be found at +.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html. .Ss Errata By the time that you have installed your system, it is quite likely that bugs in the release have been found. /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: sshguard
SshGuard are just a layer of the onion. Not the sole solution. Most methods you can, with certain degrees of effort and stubbornness, circumvent or break. /hasse -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] För David Diggles Skickat: den 26 juli 2012 05:57 Till: misc@openbsd.org Ämne: Re: sshguard How secure is the principle of log sucking for anything more than stats? The inherent assumptions are risky I would think. I mean, if someone could deliberately craft certain strings with spaces or tabs that get passed, then they could subvert the sucking script. There is an absolute reliance on the syslog behaving in a certain way under all conditions! On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:50:40AM -0600, Chris Lobkowicz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > sshguard prefers to use the "log-sucker" way of parsing authlog. I > don't even have a mention of sshguard in syslog.conf. > > the rc script just basically daemonises sshguard, and points it at > /var/log/authlog > > # /etc/rc.d/sshguard > daemon="/usr/local/sbin/sshguard" > # REALLY Touchy version > daemon_flags="-a 3 -l /var/log/authlog -w /var/db/sshguard/friends.db > - -b 5:/var/db/sshguard/blacklist.db" > # Less Touchy Version > #daemon_flags="-l /var/log/authlog -w /var/db/sshguard/friends.db -b > 5:/var/db/sshguard/blacklist.db" > > . /etc/rc.d/rc.subr > > rc_bg=YES > rc_reload=NO > > rc_cmd $1 > > > sshguard documentation on their website is quite thorough on how to > install/use. The documentation on how to tweak is a little lacking though. > > All that is missing from an install of sshguard is the required > entries into pf.conf, and which log files to monitor in the rc script. > > Works very, very well I might add. > > Good luck! > > Cheers > Chris > > > > > > > On 25/07/2012 08:04, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 02:25:44PM +0200, Hasse Hansson wrote: > > > >> Hello all. > >> # uname -a > >> OpenBSD odin.thorshammare.org 5.2 GENERIC#13 i386 > >> > >> sshguard-1.5 > >> Are we not supposed to use the entry in /etc/syslog.conf any more ? > >> " auth.info;authpriv.info |/usr/local/sbin/sshguard " > >> > >> I get a message on my console saying: > >> syslogd: unknown priority name "info |/usr/local/sbin/sshguard" > >> > >> The info about the syslog.conf entry seems to be gone in the > >> install message too. > >> > >> All the best > >> Hasse > > > > syslog is very picky about the difference between spaces and tabs. > > Always use one or more tabs. > > > > -Otto > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQEBXQAAoJEFxdNdJhPdR3NK4IALCdIRU3ffb5W7l8rA1coIRR > 6/UNM3IfOyBa1mO9750oiMzOCPS8qyGQ/93nt9xt8TcQC2XYV0gGhGBa0jDLXLNe > ujRXBFHXoSmd4DZ60WaZ6Ej9+TNV3rN2WZRZRjXHWWtEm1dacTWhNDakBp3pCtY3 > GYfFLWTQe5wSHVxrI/yB9eiCz6dCdwcL1xewTsQrTYtahtT46uPweCqjUCtx5pFv > SogLHiWvA9qiUHhiPAoh/79KM11QDQGPpX+agm+LVA9/qkMuglAMhhaBM8IzXIIN > qkJiz4KNGQuqLh2BfEetIr6bM44W3G3QTy+z+N1HEdRH3jayC+wkvb7TT91zEbk= > =+k75 > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > > Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not > change to much between releases? Or is that not interesting either? Maybe you should, _at least_, read the www page, _at least_ to know that a FAQ already exists.
Re: problem in fstab
the problem with this logic is that there are numerous curses programs: less, top, systat, vi; just to name the ones i recall from base. surely retrofitting them with prompts isn't an option, specially when having TERM unset isn't the norm On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mo Libden wrote: > Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:46:55 + от Alexander Polakov : >> * HvN [120724 17:17]: >> > I booted into single user mode, mounted / and /usr according to FAQ 8. >> > However, when I try to use vi to change fstab, it says "unknown terminal >> > type". Any suggestions ? >> >> export TERM=vt220 > > may be vi can be modified to ask for terminal type if it is not defined, something like the following: > > vi: unknown terminal type, please enter the type of the terminal [vt220]: _
Re: net connection via USB
On 26 July 2012 13:01, Jan Stary wrote: > On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary wrote: >> >> On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, "Jan Stary" wrote: >> >> >> >> > Is there any support present or planned for Ethernet over USB? >> >> > >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB#Treat_USB_as_an_Ethernet_network >> >> > >> >> > The motivation is to conenct my smartphone via USB to my workstation, >> >> > thus having the phone connected to the net without either a wifi AP >> >> > or using the operator's network data tarif. >> > >> > >> > On Jul 21 16:32:31, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: >> >> Yes see urndis >> > >> > My phone is Samsung GT-I5510, which is a Samsung Galaxy, >> > which urndis(4) mentiones as supprted. Does someone use it >> > as a urndis device? Should it report as a urndis device >> > once connected via USB? I only get >> > >> > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics >> > Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 >> > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator >> > 0 >> > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 >> > 0/direct removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce >> > >> > i.e. it only exposes itself as a umass device. >> >> urndis(4) should connect to this phone in -current, > > Today's current/amd64 doesn't: > > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics Co., > Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only > scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct > removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce > > Is someone is using a Samsung Galaxy as a urndis device, > would you please share the dmesg? > > Note: "SAMSUNG GT-I5510" is probably not entirely the same as > Samsung Galaxy S / S2" which the urndis manpage mentions. > > Did you go into your phone settings and enabled "USB Tethering ?" >> it presents an >> ethernet-like interface, normally you would run dhclient on a >> computer to connect via the phone - the computer will then use the >> phone for internet access via whichever method it's connected, >> wifi/3g/gprs/etc). >> >> Howeverit's just a network interface, so I imagine that if you >> have access to change the phone's routing table (which will probably >> require the phone to be rooted) then I don't see why you couldn't >> change the default route on the phone...
Re: Broken pfctl ..... ? I not understand my
Bahador NazariFard writes: > "block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh" > whats this? > > "instead of above wrong statement, you can use "block in quick on msk0 > proto tcp from any to any port ssh" Please try a pfctl -vnf on a file containing only the first line. [Thu Jul 26 13:28:46] peter@deeperthought:~$ cat hvom block in quick on iwn0 proto tcp to port ssh [Thu Jul 26 13:28:48] peter@deeperthought:~$ sudo pfctl -vnf hvom block drop in quick on iwn0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 in cases like these where there is no ambiguity, the parser fills in the defaults. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Calomel.org
I couldn't have put it better. Plus Private Lessons on DNS on condition that the student is not under "Big Brothers" purview .. smiles On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 06:22 -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >> I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but > >> my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan > >> since the devices are just adding up too fast... > > > > what a problem with DNS? It is rather easy. > > > > I could help you on priv if you like, if you will clean up your mail and use > > something that is not archived by huge corporation. Unless you use gmail > > only for mailing lists. > > > > well, marc.info and gmane don't really qualify as huge, but they're > down on the archiving part. you're apparently ok with that as long as > it's not "big brother". you are so counter-culture and out there.
Re: net connection via USB
On 2012/07/26 13:01, Jan Stary wrote: > > urndis(4) should connect to this phone in -current, > > Today's current/amd64 doesn't: > > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics Co., > Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only > scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct > removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce pkg_add usbutils; lsusb -v -d 04e8:
Re[2]: problem in fstab
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:46:55 + от Alexander Polakov : > * HvN [120724 17:17]: > > I booted into single user mode, mounted / and /usr according to FAQ 8. > > However, when I try to use vi to change fstab, it says "unknown terminal > > type". Any suggestions ? > > export TERM=vt220 may be vi can be modified to ask for terminal type if it is not defined, something like the following: vi: unknown terminal type, please enter the type of the terminal [vt220]: _
Re: net connection via USB
On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary wrote: > >> On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, "Jan Stary" wrote: > >> > >> > Is there any support present or planned for Ethernet over USB? > >> > > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB#Treat_USB_as_an_Ethernet_network > >> > > >> > The motivation is to conenct my smartphone via USB to my workstation, > >> > thus having the phone connected to the net without either a wifi AP > >> > or using the operator's network data tarif. > > > > > > On Jul 21 16:32:31, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > >> Yes see urndis > > > > My phone is Samsung GT-I5510, which is a Samsung Galaxy, > > which urndis(4) mentiones as supprted. Does someone use it > > as a urndis device? Should it report as a urndis device > > once connected via USB? I only get > > > > umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics > > Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 > > umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 > > sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct > > removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce > > > > i.e. it only exposes itself as a umass device. > > urndis(4) should connect to this phone in -current, Today's current/amd64 doesn't: umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "SAMSUNG Electronics Co., Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device" rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3 umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus4 at umass1: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd3 at scsibus4 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct removable serial.04e8681d551065d6a9ce Is someone is using a Samsung Galaxy as a urndis device, would you please share the dmesg? Note: "SAMSUNG GT-I5510" is probably not entirely the same as Samsung Galaxy S / S2" which the urndis manpage mentions. > it presents an > ethernet-like interface, normally you would run dhclient on a > computer to connect via the phone - the computer will then use the > phone for internet access via whichever method it's connected, > wifi/3g/gprs/etc). > > Howeverit's just a network interface, so I imagine that if you > have access to change the phone's routing table (which will probably > require the phone to be rooted) then I don't see why you couldn't > change the default route on the phone...
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Paulm wrote: >> Dynamic content & proper search would also put an end to "just wade through marc.info" fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to "egrep -Rli serial /usr/share/man", say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. > > I don't understand why the floppy install option gets you so riled up. > I happen to have a couple of IBM Thinkpads from the early 2000's, > which still work quite well with the exception of unreliable cdrom > drives. So I like knowing the floppy option is there. > because ftp(1) source reads like porky pig trying to tell you about a handy tcp stream transfer protocol, only that his characteristic stutter is replaced with "#ifndef SMALL"
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but >> my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan >> since the devices are just adding up too fast... > > what a problem with DNS? It is rather easy. > > I could help you on priv if you like, if you will clean up your mail and use > something that is not archived by huge corporation. Unless you use gmail > only for mailing lists. > well, marc.info and gmane don't really qualify as huge, but they're down on the archiving part. you're apparently ok with that as long as it's not "big brother". you are so counter-culture and out there.
Re: AMD Brazos C60
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 AM, David Scott wrote: > The OpenBSD website says that the support for the amd64 platform > covers all versions of the AMD Athlon 64 processors and their clones. assuming it's this page: http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html making a reference to the instruction set, not the brand > > Unfortunately I do not understand this statement. Is the AMD Brazos > C60 microprocessor covered by this statement? My guess is that not > every supported processor has "Athlon" explicitly in its name. c60 is supported, not sure about accelerated xorg drivers > > David Scott
Re: Calomel.org
>On 07/26/12 03:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: >>> Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd, >>> especially the sysctl tuning stuff. >>> >>> Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and >>> read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques. >>> >>> Maybe there needs to be a calomel faq on openbsd.org. >> a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc has to add an entry >> with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's signal/noise because lazy >> fucks, retards and trolls would think twice before posting > >That'll happen right after I'm done cleaning up the unicorn shit from my >back yard. Damn you bought the Neverland ranch? You must be loaded. >You're not the first person to mention a wiki for OpenBSD, and look how >well that turned out. I assume you're not talking about openbsdsupport; that wasn't a wiki. Archwiki is okay though, its X11 entries are helpful even on OpenBSD. Hey it's where google points, sue me. -- p
AMD Brazos C60
The OpenBSD website says that the support for the amd64 platform covers all versions of the AMD Athlon 64 processors and their clones. Unfortunately I do not understand this statement. Is the AMD Brazos C60 microprocessor covered by this statement? My guess is that not every supported processor has "Athlon" explicitly in its name. David Scott
Re: Calomel.org
>Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time >and the developer's time, we're not cranky about "calomel" only, we're >cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our >FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the time and they are pretty >well written and complete. 90% of the time the problem is finding the right man page. F.ex. the FAQ starts with pppoe(8) which leads to the gigantic ppp(8) and you're shit out of luck if you read all those only to find out pppoe(4) is what you really want. >If you can't figure it out by reading the FAQ/manpages: you're either >not ready for it, or we have a documentation bug. "Not ready" as in "young Skywalker?" That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to Calomel, period. If googling a problem is considered "crass" or "lazy" then remove google site search from openbsd.org. Remove grep while you're at it, let newbies earn their OpenBSD creds by reading source code. What is this, a fucking fraternity? You've got a bug alright: Calomel keeps on popping up despite being wrong, its site designed by a flaming unicorn, scripts made mostly of ASCII-art and useless comments to reinforce the genius of its egomaniacal self-jizz-gobbling writer -- and the conclusion is that the problem lies with that site, or people being stupid, lazy or "not ready". -- p
Re: bsd.rd anonymous ftp login broken?
On Jul 12 13:06:02, Alexander Hall wrote: > Should be fixed now. Yes, thank you. > > On 07/12/12 11:50, Alexander Hall wrote: > >I'm looking into this. There seems to be a quoting issue, since the > >"anonymous" default should be in brackets, while now it seems to be part > >of the question instead. > > > >thx, > >Alexander > > > >On 07/11/12 21:55, Jan Stary wrote: > >>Trying to reinstall with the current i386/bsd.rd. > >>All goes well until I actually select a ftp mirror, > >>and asked for the ftp login, I accept the default of > >>'anonymous'. It keeps asking: > >> > >>ftp login ? anonymous [enter] > >>ftp login ? anonymous [enter] > >>ftp login ? anonymous [enter] > >> > >>and never gets past this. > >> > >>Tried with different ftp mirrors, > >>so it's not that the one mirror is broken. > >> > >>Jan
Re: disk_map in subr_disk.c
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:34:02PM +0200, Frank Brodbeck wrote: | Hi, | | currently I am trying (just out of curiosity) to find a way to resolve a | duid to a device name. For that matter I believe that looking at | disk_map() in subr_disk.c is the right place. Or try sysctl(3). Here's some output from sysctl(8): hw.disknames=sd0:3e482244f831fa23,cd0: Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- >[<++>-]<+++.>+++[<-->-]<.>+++[<+ +++>-]<.>++[<>-]<+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: Calomel.org
On 07/26/12 03:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote: Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd, especially the sysctl tuning stuff. Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques. Maybe there needs to be a calomel faq on openbsd.org. a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think twice before posting That'll happen right after I'm done cleaning up the unicorn shit from my back yard. You're not the first person to mention a wiki for OpenBSD, and look how well that turned out. -- Scott McEachern https://www.blackstaff.ca
Re: Calomel.org
>> Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot >> down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on >> misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's >> signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think twice before >> posting and legitimate users would get answers faster and silently, in >> whatever available languages. > >How is that going to stop the 'retards and trolls' from posting? >What are the consequences for people who break the rule, and who is >going to enforce it? Have you really thought this through? I have and others have before me. Repeat offenders get blacklisted, either server- or client-side, doesn't matter. Really they're just another form of spam. OpenBSD already has various decision-makers; reducing @misc noise would be just another position and as with spam you could have a number of filters before they make it to the grey list. >> Dynamic content & proper search would also put an end to "just wade through >> marc.info" fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to "egrep -Rli >> serial /usr/share/man", say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/, >> they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no >> FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions >> crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. > >I don't understand why the floppy install option gets you so riled up. >I happen to have a couple of IBM Thinkpads from the early 2000's, >which still work quite well with the exception of unreliable cdrom >drives. So I like knowing the floppy option is there. Good for you. You don't absolutely need it to be so prominent in a linear document though right? -- p
Re: Calomel.org
In some ways, it is almost fortunate the calomel meme exists to keep reminding newcomers, as annoying as repetition is. It's the nature of things. I fell for it in the past. Others will in the future. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:01:41AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I first read the documentation, the do everything properly and after > that i f..k it all up because some trendy webpages says i should. > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > > >To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example > >configs of more obscure things :). > > > >On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > >>On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote: > >>> > >>>[blabla] > >>> > >> > >>*facepalm* > >> > >>-- > >>Gilles Chehade > >> > >>https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: Calomel.org
I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan since the devices are just adding up too fast... what a problem with DNS? It is rather easy. I could help you on priv if you like, if you will clean up your mail and use something that is not archived by huge corporation. Unless you use gmail only for mailing lists.
Re: Calomel.org
I first read the documentation, the do everything properly and after that i f..k it all up because some trendy webpages says i should. On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Joakim Dellrud wrote: To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example configs of more obscure things :). On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote: [blabla] *facepalm* -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: Calomel.org
> Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot down: > openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc > has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's > signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think twice before > posting and legitimate users would get answers faster and silently, in > whatever available languages. How is that going to stop the 'retards and trolls' from posting? What are the consequences for people who break the rule, and who is going to enforce it? Have you really thought this through? > Dynamic content & proper search would also put an end to "just wade through > marc.info" fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to "egrep -Rli > serial /usr/share/man", say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/, > they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no > FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions > crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. I don't understand why the floppy install option gets you so riled up. I happen to have a couple of IBM Thinkpads from the early 2000's, which still work quite well with the exception of unreliable cdrom drives. So I like knowing the floppy option is there.
Re: Calomel.org
I know, since I did it too in the past, that when you're using Linux, you're basically in the dark, so you go to google, and you try your luck. when i was still using linux it was "this manual is out of date, use texinfo". texinfo was out of date too, but wikipedia style documentation was considered great.
Re: Calomel.org
I feel this usually comes from folks with Linux background. You see, in BSD world, specially in OpenBSD, there is good and high quality documentation, which the developers put a lot of effort in providing it. I know, since I did it too in the past, that when you're using Linux, you're basically in the dark, so you go to google, and you try your luck. Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time and the developer's time, we're not cranky about "calomel" only, we're cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the time and they are pretty well written and complete. If you can't figure it out by reading the FAQ/manpages: you're either not ready for it, or we have a documentation bug.
Re: Broken pfctl ..... ? I not understand my
Le Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:44:40 +0430, Bahador NazariFard a écrit : > "block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh" > whats this? > > "instead of above wrong statement, you can use "block in quick on msk0 > proto tcp from any to any port ssh" This is the same thing. The from is optional, and adresse is also optional in the from/to. So "block in quick on msk0 proto tcp to port ssh" is valid and is expanded by pfctl to "block drop in quick proto tcp from any to any port = 22"
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Re: Broken pfctl ..... ? I not understand my
"block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh" whats this? "instead of above wrong statement, you can use "block in quick on msk0 proto tcp from any to any port ssh" On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > "hvom .org" writes: > > > I'm problem with pfctl and the syntax. > > > > Line error is : *block in quick on msk0 proto tcp port ssh* > > * > > pfctl -nf /etc/pf.conf * is broken, no exit > > Trying to reproduce here (changing only the interface name to one that > exists on the test system) it says 'syntax error' and gives the line > number before exiting. > > I suspect > > block in quick on msk0 proto tcp to port ssh > > is what you want, pfctl -vnf on that will give you the expanded version > after parsing: > > $ sudo pfctl -vnf hvom > block drop in quick on iwn0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 > > > My book is update is 15/05/2012, the site web update is 19/05/2012. > > it would be interesting to hear what book and web site you're referring > to here. > > - P > -- > Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ > "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Calomel.org
This has to be a joke or a troll or something. I'm not biting. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Shaka NKofo wrote: > I'm new to Open BSD but no stranger to *nix OSs. My question here is > simple. I have been reading the man pages and documentation and have > installed and setup a 5.1 box on my lan. Now after understanding its > basic inner workings I wish to put it to heavy and good use. > > All I'm asking is that is it advisable to use some of the tutorials > found on https://calomel.org/ as a sort of map to setup basic services > like DNS and pf? > > I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but > my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan > since the devices are just adding up too fast... > > Please I would appreciate your individual approaches and viewpoints on > this matter. > > Thanks > > Shaka
Re: Calomel.org
Sorry Joakim, I'll bring this one back to the list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:45:17AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > Yeah if you are going to complain about what sources I use please do so off > list since that behaviour is not called for nor informative. Perhaps you > should read this resource on how to respond and post in the list > http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html. > Let it be clear: I don't care what you use as a source of information, every one is free to shoot himself on the foot. But if you start mentionning calomel as a source of information, I feel an urge to clarify that your source of information is broken. I have received mails about *every week* asking why something I wrote was broken when that was just an outdated broken calomel example. That broken example still has it wrong and still drags mail to my mailbox. When you encourage others to follow that same broken source as you, I will not take it private because you're publically dumbing people. > And also a comment on calomel; yes I use it but I'm not stupid enough to > either copy straight from it OR use the sysctl... The only guides I have > used for reference is https://calomel.org/pf_carp.html where I needed some > information other then what was said on the site since I was going for a 4 > server active cluster. > Glad for you, the 100 % of people that mailed me with broken examples seem to have copied straight from it. Are they idiots ? No, some people thought it was a correct source of information because people mentionned it and no one clarified that it was a pile of junk. > If you have a problem with calomel either make sure it does not surface in > every search (above openbsd FAQ I might add). > Sadly I'm not root on Google (yet ? ;p) and Internet is not a source of clean information, which is why some things need to be clarified to also surface in searches ;-) > Just my 2 cents off list. > cheers, -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
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Re: Calomel.org
>Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd, >especially the sysctl tuning stuff. > >Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and >read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques. > >Maybe there needs to be a calomel faq on openbsd.org. Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think twice before posting and legitimate users would get answers faster and silently, in whatever available languages. Dynamic content & proper search would also put an end to "just wade through marc.info" fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to "egrep -Rli serial /usr/share/man", say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4" and 8" media. The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!! And if linking to a 3rd-party web site was such a taboo you wouldn't use Google site-search. Let the shooting down begin. Truth is misc subscribers secretly love reading the same Q&As over and again, with the monthly calomel snicker, right? -- p
Re: Calomel.org
Did I just read, that ? "To my defense, I read nicely written FAQ and MAN first, then I used broken and wrong documentation for broken examples of more obscure things" On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:26:03AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example > configs of more obscure things :). > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote: > > > > > > [blabla] > > > > > > > *facepalm* > > > > -- > > Gilles Chehade > > > > https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg > -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
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Re: Calomel.org
The calomel phenomenon is fascinating! I was calomeled. Those who have been calomeled have done the following: 1. lazily google: "openbsd tuning" (or similar) 2. click on: "Network Tuning and Performance Guide (OpenBSD) - Calomel" (currently ranked 2 on google) 3. lazy and in a hurry to get "it" working, apply stuff from calomel 4. lazily email misc without first searching marc.info, referring to the calomel recipe and asking further questions While calomel has the high rank in google, this keeps repeating.
Re: Calomel.org
To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example configs of more obscure things :). On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote: > > > > [blabla] > > > > *facepalm* > > -- > Gilles Chehade > > https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
Re: Calomel.org
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote: > > [blabla] > *facepalm* -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
