Re: Pre-orders for 5.3

2013-03-17 Thread Chris Hettrick
On 2013-03-17, at 17:23, "STeve Andre'"  wrote:

On 03/17/13 19:13, dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
> Pre-orders for 5.3 are activated!
> 
> I think they are activated in the UK too (or will be very soon).
> 
> Wonder if the first few pieces of art can lead to some guesses of
> the theme.
A Roy Lee movie pastiche?



A Ridley Scott pastiche, ala Blade Runner?



mandoc(1) spelling nit

2013-03-05 Thread Chris Hettrick
s/legancy/legacy in mandoc(1) under Man Output.

Chris



Re: UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-04 Thread Chris Hettrick
On 2013-02-04, at 15:33, bofh  wrote:

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Chris Hettrick
 wrote:
> When he was four I gave him an old apple iBook G4 laptop, wiped OSX and put 
> on OpenBSD instead. I showed him how to log in and basic commands such as 
> cal, man, date, cat, ls, cd, etc and I answer every question he has. If I 
> don't know the answer, we will research the answer together and, thanks to 
> OpenBSD's excellent man pages, we can get the answer pretty quick!
> I want to give him a nice A to Z list with the classic UNIX commands for him 
> to learn more. He is now learning some vi and doing pipes and redirection. He 
> doesn't yet know about X, so it is all shell. Small steps, but he already 
> knows more, and can do more, than the average windows user.
> He says "Thanks for my OpenBSD!"
> I am *very* proud.

There's the "learn" - it's a bit out of date, but pretty much walks
you through most everything.  That's how I got started.  You can find
it here:
http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/bwk/index.html

Turn it into a port if you have time :)


-- 

I will take a look at that. If I can get it to run then that will be a huge 
bonus.

Chris



Re: UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-04 Thread Chris Hettrick
On 2013-02-04, at 13:09, Matthias Appel  wrote:

Am 04.02.2013 20:25, schrieb William Boshuck:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 10:27:42AM +, James Griffin wrote:
>> I think vi(1) - not vim - would be a great tool for him to
>> learn. A real hardcore UNIX editor,
> ed(1)
> 
emacs(1) would be able  to replace half of the programs on this A to Z list.


Thank you all for your excellent responses! I think I will stick with vi(1) 
mainly because it is the only relevant V from man 1 (and is what I often use so 
I am more familiar with it). I don't think I want to introduce him to emacs(1) 
for a while. There is mg(1) as well if need be.
I do think that at(1) is more suiting than awk(1) for right now in his 
learning. 

I forgot to mention that I want to teach him the UNIX philosophy (obviously) 
such as programs should do one thing and do it well; use text streams; connect 
the output of one program to the input of the next (pipelines); most programs 
are used as filters; and so on. He is already getting the hang of this, using 
redirection, pipes, suspending and resuming processes, etc.

@elijah thanks for the man(1) and mail(1) suggestions. I would use man(1) if it 
wasn't for help(1), and that he already knows it off by heart (yet again due to 
OpenBSD).
I kept the list sans net for the sake of simplicity, except I _had_ to keep 
netcat(1). We will have some fun with it. (Once he is up to speed with the 
basics then it will be lots of net. It's not UNIX without the net.)

Thanks again for all the help everyone!

Chris



Re: UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-02 Thread Chris Hettrick
When he was four I gave him an old apple iBook G4 laptop, wiped OSX and put on 
OpenBSD instead. I showed him how to log in and basic commands such as cal, 
man, date, cat, ls, cd, etc and I answer every question he has. If I don't know 
the answer, we will research the answer together and, thanks to OpenBSD's 
excellent man pages, we can get the answer pretty quick!
I want to give him a nice A to Z list with the classic UNIX commands for him to 
learn more. He is now learning some vi and doing pipes and redirection. He 
doesn't yet know about X, so it is all shell. Small steps, but he already knows 
more, and can do more, than the average windows user.
He says "Thanks for my OpenBSD!"
I am *very* proud.

Chris


On 2013-02-02, at 19:00, Maximo Pech  wrote:

I'm more interested in the story of how the 5yo became openbsd obsessed.

El s�bado, 2 de febrero de 2013, Chris Hettrick escribi�:

> Hi Misc,
> 
> I made a list of the most classical UNIX commands / utilities from section
> one where there is only one per letter of the english alphabet (it's for my
> OpenBSD obsessed five year old son :) ). I know that this subject is very
> personal and steeped in tradition and history, so I was looking for your
> opinions and suggestions.
> A quick note about the list: some hard choices were made concerning
> letters such as c, p, m, etc. For instance, kill(1) is not included for two
> reasons: it is included in the shell, and it needs ps(1) to be properly
> used (which conflicts with pwd(1) which I think is _more_ useful for a UNIX
> beginner). mv(1) was not included because a cp(1) and rm(1) can suffice.
> 
> This is the list:
> 
> awk
> bc
> cp
> date
> echo
> find
> grep
> head
> id
> jot
> ksh (as a superset of sh)
> ls
> more
> nc
> od
> pwd
> quota
> rm
> sort
> tail
> uniq
> vi
> wc
> xargs
> yes
> zcat
> 
> Any opinions, suggestions?
> Thanks!
> 
> Chris



Re: UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-02 Thread Chris Hettrick
[*] All the above.

On 2013-02-02, at 19:23, Erling Westenvik  wrote:

On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 08:00:11PM -0600, Maximo Pech wrote:
> I'm more interested in the story of how the 5yo became openbsd obsessed.

Probably a multiple choise answer:

[ ] Because of OpenBSD's acclaimed user-friendliness?
[ ] Because of OpenBSD's large user base?
[ ] Like father, like son?

> 
> El s?bado, 2 de febrero de 2013, Chris Hettrick escribi?:
> 
>> Hi Misc,
>> 
>> I made a list of the most classical UNIX commands / utilities from section
>> one where there is only one per letter of the english alphabet (it's for my
>> OpenBSD obsessed five year old son :) ). I know that this subject is very
>> personal and steeped in tradition and history, so I was looking for your
>> opinions and suggestions.
>> A quick note about the list: some hard choices were made concerning
>> letters such as c, p, m, etc. For instance, kill(1) is not included for two
>> reasons: it is included in the shell, and it needs ps(1) to be properly
>> used (which conflicts with pwd(1) which I think is _more_ useful for a UNIX
>> beginner). mv(1) was not included because a cp(1) and rm(1) can suffice.
>> 
>> This is the list:
>> 
>> awk
>> bc
>> cp
>> date
>> echo
>> find
>> grep
>> head
>> id
>> jot
>> ksh (as a superset of sh)
>> ls
>> more
>> nc
>> od
>> pwd
>> quota
>> rm
>> sort
>> tail
>> uniq
>> vi
>> wc
>> xargs
>> yes
>> zcat
>> 
>> Any opinions, suggestions?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Chris



UNIX A to Z List RFC

2013-02-02 Thread Chris Hettrick
Hi Misc,

I made a list of the most classical UNIX commands / utilities from section one 
where there is only one per letter of the english alphabet (it's for my OpenBSD 
obsessed five year old son :) ). I know that this subject is very personal and 
steeped in tradition and history, so I was looking for your opinions and 
suggestions.
A quick note about the list: some hard choices were made concerning letters 
such as c, p, m, etc. For instance, kill(1) is not included for two reasons: it 
is included in the shell, and it needs ps(1) to be properly used (which 
conflicts with pwd(1) which I think is _more_ useful for a UNIX beginner). 
mv(1) was not included because a cp(1) and rm(1) can suffice.

This is the list:

awk
bc
cp
date
echo
find
grep
head
id
jot
ksh (as a superset of sh)
ls
more
nc
od
pwd
quota
rm
sort
tail
uniq
vi
wc
xargs
yes
zcat

Any opinions, suggestions?
Thanks!

Chris



man -k sendmail in section 1

2013-01-24 Thread Chris Hettrick
I noticed that apropos sendmail states that it is from Section 1 of the man 
pages, but it should be in Section 8.
This is found on an AMD64 5.2 and also on the web interface.
man 8 sendmail works, but man 1 sendmail doesn't (as expected).

Chris