Re: OBSD4.0 on IBM Thinkpad T60
I was running OpenBSD on my new Thinkpad T60. Work requires me to run Windows, so it was dual boot. For the most part, things worked well, but several issues prevented me from retaining it. One is that my model was widescreen, and the console text was rather stretched. Not a huge issue, but it did make it annoying to use. Secondly, due to the same issue, I was not able to get a widescreen resolution on it, at least not the native resolution of 1680x1050. Lastly, when I exited X11, due to a bug the console font was HUGE, rendering the console unusable until I restarted, if I happened to exit X11. This is just my model, however, which is widescreen with an ATI Mobility Radeon x1400. I moved to FreeBSD for now, and ended up mainly using an OpenBSD image in VMware. Horrendously insecure, yes, performance poor, but it didn't have the display issues and nothing of any interest or importance is on the laptop anyways. Perhaps these issues can be cleared up when Xenocara is integrated? I would like to move back to a native OpenBSD. On 3/8/07, Johan P. Lindstrvm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I seem to recall that the new T60's feature the ICH7 (or 6) chipset > and thus the HDD connects via SATA interface. This may give you > issues, though there is a "compatibility mode" switch in BIOS (F1) to > make the hdd show up as wd instead of sd. The performance is a bit > lower as from what i recall, but it works well. I tested this on one > of the first T60's to hit the scandinavian markets, so much may have > changed since then. > > APM should still work like a charm, though I can not comment on the > wifi equipment, to my experiance, it is often intel or broadcom. The > wired interface is usually em and they still use a hardware mixer for > volume and mute, if I am not mistaken. Some of the newer models have a > amber/orange LED in the notch of the screen, instead of the classic > white/ice blue one. > > A new interesting development as well is the hardware slider, that you > disable (hot-plug disconnect, USB?) the wifi and bluetooth adapters > with, boy can you feel stupid =) > > The above is based on my observations of 10-15 different type-model > varieties, your results may vary. > > FYI: As I understand, the X40+ family is quire popular among our > praised developers. > > -- JPL > > On 3/8/07, atstake atstake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone running OBSD 4.0 or -current on Thinkpad T60? I'm getting one > > of these and trying to make sure OBSD will run without a fuss. A reply > > from anyone with T60 <-> OBSD4.0 experience would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > -- > -- JPL
Re: The future of NetBSD
I'm just a lurker on the OpenBSD list, but I think Charles is right about Linux. The code is better then people give it credit for, and considering it's vast popularity and what all it's accomplished, the "bazaar" model has worked wonders. I'm not advocating Linux, I'm just pointing out that considering where Linux is, where it's headed, who all is backing it, I really don't see it stagnating or dying anytime soon. If I'm correct, that's also what Charles thinks NetBSD needs among other things, to look at their model for inspiration. I agree. As Ingo said: I'm not a developer. Back to lurking. On 8/31/06, Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Benny Siegert dixit: > > > A very pessimistic article but well worth a read: > > > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html > > You could've just replied to it so that the References: header > can be perused. I've changed this mail to reply to it for threading. > > > Charles M. Hannum dixit: > > >Much of this early structure (CVS, web site, cabal, etc.) was copied > >verbatim by other open source (this term not being in wide use yet) > >projects -- even the form of the project name and the term "core". This > >later became a kind of standard template for starting up an open source > >project. > > > >Unfortunately, we made some mistakes here. As we've seen over the > >years, one of the great successes of Linux was that it had a strong > >leader, who set goals and directions, and was able to get people to do > >what he wanted -- or find someone else to do it. > > On the other hand, the "bazaar" model of Linux leads to bad code > and no well-defined APIs. While it's true that the "core-team" > model _might_ benefit from a strong leadership, care should be > taken to avoid Linux' "success" because it'll be its failure > soon enough. (I mean, hey, 5 new kernels in 2 days, wtf?) > > > Nick Guenther dixit: > > > Um. Wow. I think Theo wins. > > OpenBSD has had MicroBSD forked off twice, MirOS and ekkoBSD too. > > > Travers Buda dixit: > > > As for Charles M. Hannum: fork! > > I don't think so, as long as he can improve the inner status of > the NetBSD project. Forking is the solution if you're outside, > want to improve and are ignored, or, if you're inside but don't > see your interesting new ideas being accepted well or fitting > within the project's overall policy (DragonFly). > > > Andy Ball dixit: > > > suspend and resume work on my laptop. I know that work is being done > > on PowerNow! for AMD K6-2+, Athlon etc. > > Incidentally, Martin Vigiard's PowerNow work showed up in > OpenBSD and FreeBSD. first, in NetBSD. last. > > > @OpenBSD people: > > I did leave this mailing list, I'm just keeping the Cc: list. > > > bye, > //mirabile > -- > I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it > when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy > them. > If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny > existence. -- Coywolf Qi Hunt
PCMCIA Wireless recommendation
I just purchased an Acer 3624WXCi laptop, and I discovered that OpenBSD does not recognize the built-in wireless adapter. I want to purchase a well-supported, quality wireless card, but I have been unable to find enough information on this. Does anybody have any recommendations for a well-supported PCMCIA wireless card that supports a/b/g, and has good range? Many thanks in advance.
Re: PCMCIA Wireless recommendation
: sd0 matches BIOS drive 0x81 root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302 WARNING: / was not properly unmounted umass0: at uhub4 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected sd0 detached cd1 detached scsibus1 detached umass0 detached umass0 at uhub4 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 umass0: Verbatim Store'n'go U3, rev 2.00/2.00, addr 2 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets sd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable sd0: 973MB, 973 cyl, 64 head, 32 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 1994751 sec total cd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 1: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable umass0: at uhub4 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected sd0 detached cd1 detached scsibus1 detached umass0 detached umass0 at uhub4 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 umass0: Verbatim Store'n'go U3, rev 2.00/2.00, addr 2 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus1 at umass0: 2 targets sd0 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable sd0: 973MB, 973 cyl, 64 head, 32 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 1994751 sec total cd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 1: SCSI0 5/cdrom removable On 9/3/06, Melameth, Daniel D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Harpalus a Como wrote: > > I just purchased an Acer 3624WXCi laptop, and I discovered that > > OpenBSD does not recognize the built-in wireless adapter. I want to > > purchase a well-supported, quality wireless card, but I have been > > unable to find enough information on this. Does anybody have any > > recommendations for a well-supported PCMCIA wireless card that > > supports a/b/g, and has good range? Many thanks in advance. > > Many laptops allow you to replace the built-in wireless mini-PCI > card--so this is a route as well. While others have had some success > with ral (I haven't), the venerable wi still seems to be the most > mature/stable.
Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense]
Your "freedom" is forced. Companies and individuals have no choice in the matter, because it's required by the license. We have the freedom to vote, but we aren't forced to do so. You don't seem to realize that it's not freedom if it's forced at the end of a proverbial GPL gun. On 10/5/06, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rod.. Whitworth wrote: > > It says "Yes, companies could voluntarily cooperate without a > > license forcing them to. The *BSDs try to depend on this. But it > > today's cutthroat market, that's more like the "Prisoner's > > Dilemma". In the dilemma, it's better to cooperate; but since > > the other guy might choose to not cooperate, and exploit your > > naivete, you may choose to not cooperate. A way out of this > > dilemma is to create a situation where you must cooperate, and > > the GPL does that." > > > > Look at the last line. MUST. Must != Freedom. > > In my world freedom is something you have to fight for, otherwise > it gets taken away. Putting a limit on your freedoms is a good > thing. For example freedom is most defined as `the freedom to do > whatever you wish as long as it does not hurt somebody else,' well > that last part `as long as it does not hurt anybody else' is what > the GPL is about. > > In your definition of freedom you'd have the freedom to hurt > somebody else. > > > > # Han
Re: [MAYBE SPAM] Re: Version 4.0 release
I only use OpenBSD nowadays. I'll toy with other operating systems, but I generally just stick to OpenBSD. It suits all of my needs. I can never remember speed being a huge issue. I wish there was better SMP support, and in your situation I'd also be wishing for better RAID support. The work so far has been wonderful, though, and I don't think that the developers are slacking off. If OpenBSD doesn't suit your needs, find something else. I'm working on improving my coding skill so that perhaps one day I can make some meaningful contributions to OpenBSD. Perhaps that'll never happen. But I'm not going to waste everybody's time complaining on Misc, when it's clear the developers are already working on various things with limited resources.
Re: delete deleted data
Myth? Why are you so upset about this? It's not myth. The techniques involved in recovering data in the manner Marco and the NSA, DoD, and many others describe isn't a matter of running a simple software tool. It's a long, slow, annoying process that is also costly. But it is possible. Not every company or person in the forensics industry is a master at their job. If they say it's not possible, perhaps it's just "not something their software package does for them?" (I'm not trying to be derogatory, but I do know a guy who does computer forensics work, and the software/hardware he uses is about all he knows. He just goes through the motions. Doesn't know all that much about filesystems or disks.) Why are you so hellbent on proving everybody wrong, to the point of actually shipping your drive off? It's by no means a myth. If it is, there are a number of companies and government institutions interesting in how they recover data in this fashion if it's "not possible." I'm having a hard time believing On Jan 3, 2008 7:54 PM, new_guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marco S Hyman wrote: > > > > "Brad Tilley" writes: > > > performed from the OpenBSD 4.2 install CD. I'll send it to the one > > > 'ISO Certified' company that agreed to examine it. If they cannot > > > > You keep throwing around the 'ISO Certified' tag as if it had some > > special meaning. Certified to what standard? > > > > I'm just parroting the *one* data recover company's marketing hype that > agreed to take the drive. They make this claim: > > "ISO 9001 - 2000 certified" > > I'm working on putting a website up now where I'll fully disclose the > details. Lots of pictures and details. I will attribute the dd used to > OpenBSD (the best OS on the planet bar none... although the dd on the > install CD did not support the conv option... I would have liked to have > done conv=noerror,sync). I plan to ship the drive off tomorrow. I plan to > put this myth to rest... where it belongs. > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/delete-deleted-data-tp14560809p14608861.html > Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Failing to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] in X
My new Thinkpad T60 laptop has the same issue as well, with an ATI video card. I don't mind a stretched console font, but the display was stretched, and nothing I did fixed it. I tried everything in the thread to no avail. It was largely unusable, personally, because the stretched fonts were hard to read. Via random surfing I gathered that the Linux people have the exact same problem - they all use the proprietary ATI Linux drivers to fix it, which I'm both unable and unwilling to do. I guess the only solution is to wait for ATI to release documentation/wait for somebody to reverse engineer it more? On 5/12/07, Michael Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/12/07, Alex Holst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Quoting Tobias Weingartner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > xdpyinfo | grep dim > > > > tori$ xdpyinfo | grep dim > > dimensions:1680x1050 pixels (474x303 millimeters) > > > > And my current xorg.conf with what I believe are correct HorizSync and > > VertRefresh: > > http://a.mongers.org/x/xorg.conf > > > > This config outputs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > I prefer the dark of the night, after midnight and before four-thirty, > > when it's more bare, more hollow.http://a.mongers.org > > > > > > I had a similar problem a few weeks back. It turned out that the 'nv' > driver > didn't support wide screen resolutions. However, I installed the 'nvidia' > drivers and it worked out just fine. Perhaps this problem is similar.
Re: OpenBSD on ThinkPad
I currently have a Thinkpad T60. I use OpenBSD with it, and it has the exact same graphics card, the ATI Mobility Radeon X1400. However, I have widescreen, and I was unable to use my laptop's native resolution of 1680x1050, and the stretched alternatives was, to me, largely unusable, or at least hard on the eyes. The stretched console font was fine, but X11, to me, wasn't. I haven't tried tv-out, just posting my own experiences. Note that Xenocara may have fixed this situation. I did indeed attempt to use 915resolution, and I was unable to pull 1680x1050 widescreen out of it. On 6/17/07, Timo Myyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have Thinkpad T60 and I'm currently running Linux on it. I'm planning > to switch to OpenBSD but I have a small question about the video playback. > The laptop has ATI Mobility X1400 Radeon graphics card. As far as I know > the open source 'radeon' driver doesn't support that one so I'm forced > to use the 'vesa' driver. > I know I can get the correct resolution using it but what about video > playback. Will I be able to get good playback using the vesa driver? > Also, can I get tv-out using it? > I'd hate to install OpenBSD just to notice it won't work. > > -Zmyrgel- > > atstake atstake wrote: > > On 6/15/07, Pieter Verberne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> *I'm thinking of a R60 or T60. I have no interest in widescreen. > > > > I bought a T60 recently - > > > > o wpi(4) is not detected - fatal firmware error. From the manpage - > > "fatal firmware error. For some reason, the firmware crashed. The > > driver will reset the hardware. This should not happen." > > > > o APM is not detected > > > > I am not sure whether other bits like Infrared, bluetooth would work > > smoothly as well. > > > > I sent the dmesg so hopefully everything will work by the time 4.2 > > comes out. > > > > At the time however, I installed Fedora Core 7 which detects > > everything just fine (or with small tweaks here and there)
