Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)
Matthew Weigel wrote: On 2016-10-18 12:43, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Routing, firewalling, DMZing, net address translation, OpenSSL, LibreSSL. :-) My apologies, I sit corrected. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)
Chris Bennett wrote: Asking about what apps someone would run is a legitimate question. Mikael, most Linux apps port to most OpenBSD flavors. Probably much of the OpenBSD ports tree could easily be converted to a prospective little-endian Power8 OpenBSD. The very popular (in the IBM i world) Perzl-on-PASE effort is probably more difficult and less satisfactory than porting the OpenBSD ports tree would be to a prospective little-endian Power8 OpenBSD. One would hope that IBM would lend support and some engineering assistance to the OpenBSD project in the event of a little-endian Power 8 OpenBSD port being planned. PASE: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzalf/rzalfintro.htm Perzl: http://perzl.org/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)
Chris Bennett wrote: Does anyone need a Power8? Chris, this is the hottest high-end server in the IBM universe today. It runs Linux, AIX and IBM i (OS/400). They are very widely in use deep under many organizations. IBM is currently energetically supporting Open Source development (as their vendors are becoming disillusioned about industry growth). The Power8 *needs* OpenBSD because they don't have a really good firewalling regimen at that level. At the z/OS level, they have world-class stuff, but not around the neighborhood of IBM i, which is actually selling better than z/OS these days. If you haunt the IBM world as I do, you'd realize that this could be a very big cash cow for OpenBSD supportniks if Mikael's idea flies. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Would you use OpenBSD on Power8, and if so what applications? (IBM asks! They're thinking about donating hw.)
Mikael wrote: Please describe the practical and technical utility and value, the organization/social context, scope, duration, anything that is relevant to motivate them. Mikael, thanks for urging IBM to support OpenBSD. I've been urging them to do so for about 15 years, good luck! OpenBSD provides the most secure, mature, reliable, and actively maintained open source toolchain relating to TCP/IP networking. Routing, firewalling, DMZing, net address translation, OpenSSL, OpenSSH, IPSec, spam blocking, and especially the open source world's supreme packet filter all are part of the core OpenBSD mission and among the list of supported mission-critical applications. If the organizational mission is sophisticated and secure use of the Internet/Intranet, OpenBSD should be stationed like Horatio at the bridge as the nexus between the organization and the outside world. While Linux offers a better end-user experience and arguably a more mature web development environment, OpenBSD stands ready and able to guard your all-too-vulnerable Linux cloud. For that matter, the security regimen of OpenBSD almost without a doubt surpasses that of IBM i itself. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
6.0 appreciation
Props to the team. It's amazing that with the rapid march to W^X that 6.0 works at all, but it works well. All the ports I need are updated successfully with only one that I would hope for being broken (Seamonkey). I can continue to do everything I need to do to stay in business on OpenBSD 6.0. Donation sent. Thanks! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD 6.0 release and errata60.html
Etienne wrote: I have noticed that some people tend to use "I have a doubt" with the meaning "I have a question/issue/problem". And the native French speaker will sometimes say, "I doubt" meaning "I suspect ..." or "I think that ..." -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Security updates and packages
Theo de Raadt wrote: Especially since OpenBSD isn't a PRODUCT. If product-servicing is a requirement, first of all choose something which is a PRODUCT, then choose a PRODUCT VENDOR who actually does SERVICING. Nicely put. My open source Ublu (https://github.com/jwoehr/ublu) is currently attracting attention in the IBM record-based systems world (for precisely which Ublu was coded) and people keep referring to it as a "product" and I have to make similar corrections to their understanding ... AND WHERE IS THE PONY. Much easier question to answer: https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/responsive/embedded/any/desktop/2015/12/18/6358600036517504461717781900_maxresdefault.jpg -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: github
Ingo Schwarze wrote: Hi, Dariusz Sendkowski wrote on Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:44:58PM +0200: Is this https://github.com/openbsd the official OpenBSD github site? As one of the OpenBSD developers, i don't know and frankly i don't care. You certainly shouldn't trust it in any way. It seems this discussion has gone on quite a while without stating the obvious: 1. The developers are happy with CVS. 2. As is, OpenBSD has full goddawmitey control of their source repository whereas on GitHub it would belong to a corporation. Doesn't that simply end the discussion right there? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: openbsd book references
Book _Absolute BSD_ francois miville-deschenes wrote: hello, i am looking for a good reference book for an IT beginner that wants to learn the basics of openbsd, and has little experience with unix. (ideally with examples of commands, such as in the freebsd handbook). any suggestions ? thank you, francois -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
Luca Ferrari wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Teng Zhang wrote: >I'm an OpenBSD user and not an linux user. I study in university. I usually >have too much homework need to do and sometimes have no time to play >OpenBSD(the situation is similar to @Luca Ferrari). I just want to know how >do you do when you don't have time to play OpenBSD. Maybe a more helpful answer would be, "Yes, OpenBSD is a minority voice in the open source operating system entries. It does require a bit more effort on the part of the user than does a masses-oriented operating system like Linux. The tradeoff is more transparency, simplicity, personal control and security with OpenBSD. If you need the convenience Linux offers, then by all means, use Linux, and godspeed to you." -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Regina Rexx doesn't build on 5.9
Stuart Henderson wrote: use cc, not ld, to link. works for me, thanks Stuart -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Regina Rexx doesn't build on 5.9
Regina Rexx ( svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/regina-rexx/code/ regina-rexx-code ), an admittedly aging body of code, was successfully built under 5.8. It now fails under 5.9 as follows. Any tips? on i386: ld -Bdynamic -Bshareable -o libregina.so funcs.so.o builtin.so.o error.so.o variable.so.o interprt.so.o debug.so.o dbgfuncs.so.o memory.so.o parsing.so.o files.so.o misc.so.o unxfuncs.so.o cmsfuncs.so.o shell.so.o os2funcs.so.o rexxext.so.o stack.so.o tracing.so.o interp.so.o cmath.so.o convert.so.o strings.so.o library.so.o strmath.so.o signals.so.o macros.so.o envir.so.o expr.so.o extstack.so.o yaccsrc.so.o lexsrc.so.o wrappers.so.o options.so.o os_unx.so.o rexxbif.so.o drexx.so.o client.so.o rexxsaa.so.o mt_posix.so.o instore.so.o arxfuncs.so.o -lpthread -lpthread funcs.so.o: In function `__regina_myatol': ./funcs.c:(.text+0x69c): undefined reference to `__guard_local' ./funcs.c:(.text+0x6d4): undefined reference to `__guard_local' funcs.so.o: In function `__regina_atozpos': ./funcs.c:(.text+0x71d): undefined reference to `__guard_local' ./funcs.c:(.text+0x7b5): undefined reference to `__guard_local' funcs.so.o: In function `__regina_atozposrx64': ./funcs.c:(.text+0x7fd): undefined reference to `__guard_local' funcs.so.o:./funcs.c:(.text+0x898): more undefined references to `__guard_local' follow ld: libregina.so: hidden symbol `__guard_local' isn't defined ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output Makefile:342: recipe for target 'libregina.so' failed gmake: *** [libregina.so] Error 1 on amd64: ld -Bdynamic -Bshareable -o libregina.so funcs.so.o builtin.so.o error.so.o variable.so.o interprt.so.o debug.so.o dbgfuncs.so.o memory.so.o parsing.so.o files.so.o misc.so.o unxfuncs.so.o cmsfuncs.so.o shell.so.o os2funcs.so.o rexxext.so.o stack.so.o tracing.so.o interp.so.o cmath.so.o convert.so.o strings.so.o library.so.o strmath.so.o signals.so.o macros.so.o envir.so.o expr.so.o extstack.so.o yaccsrc.so.o lexsrc.so.o wrappers.so.o options.so.o os_unx.so.o rexxbif.so.o drexx.so.o client.so.o rexxsaa.so.o mt_posix.so.o instore.so.o arxfuncs.so.o -lpthread -lpthread funcs.so.o: In function `__regina_myatol': ./funcs.c:(.text+0x64c): undefined reference to `__guard_local' ld: funcs.so.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `__guard_local' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC ld: final link failed: Bad value Makefile:342: recipe for target 'libregina.so' failed gmake: *** [libregina.so] Error 1 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Error pkg_add -ui 5.8 -> 5.9
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--- -upower-0.99.3 ---
You should also run rm -f /var/db/upower/history-*
--- +cantarell-fonts-0.0.21 ---
You may wish to update your font path for /usr/local/share/fonts/cantarell
Fatal error: can't parse OpenBSD::RequiredBy: writing /var/db/pkg/colord-1.2.11/+REQUIRED_BY: No such file or directory
at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/RequiredBy.pm line 30.
OpenBSD::RequirementList::fatal_error(OpenBSD::RequiredBy=HASH(0xe5511ccc058), "writing") called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/RequiredBy.pm line 67
OpenBSD::RequirementList::synch(OpenBSD::RequiredBy=HASH(0xe5511ccc058)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/RequiredBy.pm line 122
OpenBSD::RequirementList::add(OpenBSD::RequiredBy=HASH(0xe5511ccc058), "gnome-color-manager-3.18.0") called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/Dependencies.pm line 713
OpenBSD::Dependencies::Solver::register_dependencies(OpenBSD::Dependencies::Solver=HASH(0xe550e23b058),
OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/PkgAdd.pm line 864
OpenBSD::PkgAdd::really_add(OpenBSD::UpdateSet=HASH(0xe54c00d2bf8), OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called
at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/PkgAdd.pm line 1057
OpenBSD::PkgAdd::process_set("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", OpenBSD::UpdateSet=HASH(0xe54c00d2bf8),
OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 127
OpenBSD::AddDelete::process_setlist("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/PkgAdd.pm line 1205
OpenBSD::PkgAdd::main("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 50
eval {...} called at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 50
OpenBSD::AddDelete::do_the_main_work("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 64
OpenBSD::AddDelete::__ANON__ called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 87
OpenBSD::AddDelete::__ANON__ called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/Error.pm line 173
eval {...} called at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/Error.pm line 173
OpenBSD::Error::try(CODE(0xe55762fae68), OpenBSD::Error::catch=CODE(0xe554c5156a0)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 95
OpenBSD::AddDelete::framework("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", OpenBSD::PkgAdd::State=HASH(0xe54c604db98)) called at
/usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/AddDelete.pm line 108
OpenBSD::AddDelete::parse_and_run("OpenBSD::PkgAdd", "pkg_add") called
at /usr/sbin/pkg_add line 30
main::run("pkg_add", "PkgAdd") called at /usr/sbin/pkg_add line 46
--
Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of
www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Upgrade to 5.9 full disk encryption
Niels wrote: As Bryan stated, bioctl will prompt for the (existing) passphrase and then bring up the (existing) crypto volume. I took the manual to mean that, but asked to confirm. Bryan's answer was correct, we're all upgraded to 5.9, thanks all. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Upgrade to 5.9 full disk encryption
Bryan Everly wrote: Boot the installer. Exit to the shell. Then do: bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd0a softraid0 (Substitute for your actual device that is the softraid container). You will be promoted for your password. Watch for the console message telling you what it mounted as. Then type exit to return to the installer and upgrade that disk. Works for me. Thanks, Bryan. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Upgrade to 5.9 full disk encryption
How does one upgrade a full-disk encrypted OpenBSD boot disk? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: carp dhclient
Josh Grosse wrote: On 2016-02-01 11:32, sven falempin wrote: Dear Readers, Without IP carp is marked as inactive, See https://sites.google.com/site/bsdstuff/dhcarp and adapt to your requirements. The Book of PF, 3rd Edition A No-Nonsense Guide to the OpenBSD Firewall by Peter N. M. Hansteen ISBN-10: 1-59327-589-7 ISBN-13: 978-1-59327-589-1 Copyright 2015. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Doubts about groups who have made Free-to-Non-Free transition and groups that are all free
Jorge Luis wrote: OpenBSD was the first operating system I can't parse legal arguments with any degree of expertise. I simply bless the day I found OpenBSD! I now use the BSD-2 license for all my own open source software. Long live truly free software, despite a world-wide legal climate increasingly hostile to the existence of same. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: the location of openbsd.pbr
Nick Holland wrote: You are confusing the MASTER Boot Record (first 512 bytes of the physical disk) with the PARTITION Boot Record (first 512 bytes of the OpenBSD partition). Of course, you're right. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: the location of openbsd.pbr
dan mclaughlin wrote: did you dd the 'c' partition on the underlying disk (not the softraid disk)? Underlying disk is sd0 ... I did "dd if=/dev/rsd0a" like the fellow posted yesterday. I see your point, of course it would be the c label. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: the location of openbsd.pbr
Brian McCafferty wrote: Are you referring to the file you need to create for dual booting with the windows ntldr? Check the FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/obsd-faq.txt Just out of curiousity, I dd'ed that sector and it didn't end in AA55. Did I get something wrong? I'm doing full-disk encryption so I'm not sure how grabbing the "real" boot sector works in that circumstance. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Fvwm
Edgar Pettijohn wrote: I have learned a lot about fvwm configuration Learn more from the fvwm support community: http://www.fvwm.org/contact/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: text-mode gui
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2015-12-23, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: improvements to the installer are welcome. suggestions that the installer could use javascript to write cookies are not an improvement. The installer could use a beer tap so we could have a cold one during a long mkfs. We already have that feature: use autoinstall, set it running, go down the pub. *forehead slap* Dang! You're right! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: text-mode gui
Ted Unangst wrote: improvements to the installer are welcome. suggestions that the installer could use javascript to write cookies are not an improvement. The installer could use a beer tap so we could have a cold one during a long mkfs. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045
li...@wrant.com wrote: Is there any benefit to install -current on this antique? Yes. I did so and sent report to dmesg@ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045
Philip Guenther wrote: The 'config' binary doesn't match the source tree: either the config binary is from 5.8-release (or earlier) and your source tree is -current, or vice versa. Weird, just installed 5.8 today and downloaded source. I *thought* I invoked CVS right but what the hey. Is there any benefit to OpenBSD project for me to install -current on this antique? If so, I will do so. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045
Daniel Ouellet wrote: Sure, use snapshots! Be glad to if it helps. I just wondered what stupid I had done. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Wireless connection mystery two OpenBSD machines suddenly cannot connect
li...@wrant.com wrote: The next suggestion is to check the modem as well and fix it with a couple of cents worth of capacitor(s). It is more likely the modem is source of the problem, especially if it is running a bit hotter than designed t You're quite sharp. I actually had a brand new one in the closet which I bought a year ago and forgot about, so I removed the old one from service and replaced it. Thanks for taking time to reply. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Can't build kernel GENERIC.MP on Dell Inspiron E1045
a0: codecs: Sigmatel STAC9200, Conexant/0x2bfa, using Sigmatel STAC9200 audio0 at azalia0 ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 16 pci1 at ppb0 bus 11 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 17 pci2 at ppb1 bus 12 wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" rev 0x02: msi, MoW1, address 00:13:02:a8:de:dd ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 19 pci3 at ppb2 bus 13 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 20 uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 21 uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 22 uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 23 ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 20 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xe1 pci4 at ppb3 bus 2 bce0 at pci4 dev 0 function 0 "Broadcom BCM4401B1" rev 0x02: apic 2 int 17, address 00:14:22:af:6c:0d bmtphy0 at bce0 phy 1: BCM4401 10/100baseTX PHY, rev. 0 "Ricoh 5C832 Firewire" rev 0x00 at pci4 dev 1 function 0 not configured sdhc0 at pci4 dev 1 function 1 "Ricoh 5C822 SD/MMC" rev 0x19: apic 2 int 18 sdmmc0 at sdhc0 "Ricoh 5C843 MMC" rev 0x01 at pci4 dev 1 function 2 not configured "Ricoh 5C592 Memory Stick" rev 0x0a at pci4 dev 1 function 3 not configured "Ricoh 5C852 xD" rev 0x05 at pci4 dev 1 function 4 not configured ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel 82801GBM LPC" rev 0x01: PM disabled pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 82801GBM SATA" rev 0x01: DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 93958MB, 192426570 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0 scsibus1 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 82801GB SMBus" rev 0x01: apic 2 int 17 iic0 at ichiic0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-4200CL5 SO-DIMM spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x52: 512MB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-4200CL5 SO-DIMM usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at ichpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 irq 1 irq 12 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pms0: Synaptics touchpad, firmware 6.2 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 ugen0 at uhub2 port 1 "Dell Bluetooth" rev 2.00/24.22 addr 2 vscsi0 at root scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets root on wd0a (f2fb1f29a0b7b449.a) swap on wd0b dump on wd0b wpi0: error, 2, could not read firmware wpi-3945abg wpi0: could not read firmware -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Wireless connection mystery two OpenBSD machines suddenly cannot connect
Carl Trachte wrote: from the command line ifconfig down I think this resets the device IIRC Mystery solved. The $3 transformer for the DSL modem is dying. If I unplug it and let it cool off everything works again :) Off to buy a new $3 transformer :) Thanks Carl and Unixreader for replying! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Wireless connection mystery two OpenBSD machines suddenly cannot connect
I have two very different laptops running OpenBSD 5.8 with all patches. Both were connected to my home wireless via very simple hostname files: nwid foo wpakey bar dhcp Both stopped connecting today .. no link (sleeping). Both see the station via ifconfig scan with reasonable dB levels (>55dBm) My mobile phone still connects to the station with the same credentials, as does my Kindle. Of course this is ridiculous. I don't know enough to be dangerous on this one. Any tips? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: home keys in tmux
Philip Guenther wrote: My crystal ball says that you changed the prefix but didn't change the binding of 'a'. I would verify my crystal ball against your config...but you didn't show your config... I only made the change I noted, and thank you for some helpful advice! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: home keys in tmux
Johan Mellberg wrote: Anyway, screen steals C-a so to jump to the start of a line, hit C-a, then a again. Doesn't work :( -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: home keys in tmux
Ax0n wrote: Do you have anything in your .tmux.conf? Ha, I have a funny problem in tmux that thwarts me. I changed the prefix key to C-a but the sequence C-a C-a doesn't work like C-b C-b, the C-a doesn't ever seem to get sent to the shell. Which means I can't jump to head-of-line Emacs-style like I'm used to. Maybe I could figure this out with a hour of study but maybe somebody on the list knows ;) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Paypal donation in Euros, not $US
Gerald Hanuer wrote: Workaround http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html I solved it ... I sent donations to both! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Paypal donation in Euros, not $US
When I click PayPal on http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html PayPal wants me to donate in Euros. Is there any way to make it offer me a $US option? I'm not sure I want to donate to PayPal itself whatever margin it claims on exchanges :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Sony Vaio OBSD 5.8 screen blanking forever
Dutch Ingraham wrote: xset -dpms Bingo. Thanks! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Sony Vaio OBSD 5.8 screen blanking forever
I've done xset s off. KDE is set not to blank. But on my Sony Vaio OBSD 5.8 in Xwindows with any manager after about 10 minutes of inactivity the screen blanks and won't come back, forcing me to kill the session (ctl-alt-bkspc). Must be something in the card's VGA graphics mode? Any tips or tricks? Last note in the archives I find about this was over a decade ago. Yes, I know about NVIDIA vs. open source operating systems but this laptop was used, cheap, powerful and has a large solid-state disk :) It runs OpenBSD just great otherwise on 7 cores and thanks to OpenBSD porter Daniel Dickman I've got NetBeans 8.1 running on it and am in heaven except for the gosh-durned screen blanking when I turn my back! OpenBSD 5.8-stable (GENERIC.MP) #0: Fri Nov 13 18:35:52 MST 2015 root@varian.jaxrcfb:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8553762816 (8157MB) avail mem = 8290631680 (7906MB) mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0xeb040 (17 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "R0200V3" date 02/10/2011 bios0: Sony Corporation VPCF215FX acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC HPET SLIC MCFG SSDT SSDT ECDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PEG0(S4) B0D4(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) USB7(S3) HDEF(S4) PXSX(S4) RP01(S4) PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) RP03(S4) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.78 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1.2, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 0, core 3, package 0 cpu4 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu4: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu4: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu4: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu4: smt 1, core 0, package 0 cpu5 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor) cpu5: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu5: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu5: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu5: smt 1, core 1, package 0 cpu6 at mainbus0: apid 5 (application processor) cpu6: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu6: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,SENSOR,ARAT cpu6: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu6: smt 1, core 2, package 0 cpu7 at mainbus0: apid 7 (application processor) cpu7: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz, 1995.47 MHz cpu7: FPU,VME,
Re: Linus Torvalds thoughts on Linux Security
Some Developer wrote: I thought this might provoke a bit of a debate on this list :). What do you think of what Linus has to say about security? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/11/06/132209/linuss-thoughts-on-linux-security I think he knows his market and his product. Securing Linux would require undoing a lot of what Linus and Linux has struggled to achieve. Linux can never return to the simplicity of OpenBSD, and simplicity is the key to security. He has his space, and his clarity in defining that space is a boost to the entrepreneurial opportunities for OpenBSD. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: The OpenBSD developers approve “optimizing assembler” and compilers?
Kimmo Paasiala wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:13 AM, français wrote: The OpenBSD developers approve “optimizing assembler” and compilers? You are overgeneralizing from jokes. -- Raul I believe you're feeding a troll. Possibly just a silly person, and one whose English is limited. Those *are* true stories. Their relevance to misc@ is questionable. But they are indeed funny stories, even if we've all heard them many times already. If you read older programmer discussion groups, esp. mainframe groups, these same stories are told over and over again. Maybe we're just attracting an older crowd these days :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
How is the NSA breaking so much crypto?
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Predrag Punosevac wrote: The only time I ever had problems connecting to third party commercial VPN from OpenBSD was connecting to Have you connected to a Fortinet SSL VPN? How did you do it? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Dimitris Papastamos wrote: Dimitris Papastamos wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 01:06:58PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: I am not sure what's wrong. I guess you see traffic leaving your external interface but not getting any replies? I've got it, thanks! I forgot to do the sysctls necessary to let the packets thru: sysctl net.inet.esp.enable=0 sysctl net.inet.esp.udpencap=0 Thanks for your help, and to everyone who tried to help this confused soul :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: who(XXXXX): syscall 54 in the last few snapshots
Atanas Vladimirov wrote: I think that I found it - Nagios. Now the question is how to debug it further? lsof? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Dimitris Papastamos wrote: I use vpnc regularly on -current without any special configuration and it works fine with my network. My config is as follows: IPSec gateway vpn.example.net IPSec ID FOO IPSec obfuscated secret BAR Xauth username BAZ DPD idle timeout (our side) 0 Yeah, that's mine too. Seems to work. But no traffic goes through. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Jiri B wrote: c Cisco's AnyConnect SSL VPN and Juniper SSL VPN which is now known as Pulse Connect Secure is supported by openconnect which is in ports. I found vpnc in ports/net and that almost works. It connects and shows it is adding the correct routes that I would expect. And then no traffic comes through. 'route show' looks correct but nothing seems to be going back and forth. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Pedro Tender wrote: They also have a Linux client. I've looked for it, any tips where it might be found? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Jack J. Woehr wrote: I'm sort of stuck at the moment on these macros where "rt" is an instance of struct rtentry : #define route_dest(route) \ I meant "route" is an instance of struct rtentry. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Jack J. Woehr wrote: Steve Shockley wrote: A quick search found https://github.com/adrienverge/openfortivpn, but I haven't tested it. It's clearly the right product. However. I've been trying to build it for an hour now. It requires Much Work for OpenBSD, it's somewhat wed to the Linux stack. I'm sort of stuck at the moment on these macros where "rt" is an instance of struct rtentry : #define route_dest(route) \ (((struct sockaddr_in *) &(route)->rt_dst)->sin_addr) #define route_mask(route) \ (((struct sockaddr_in *) &(route)->rt_genmask)->sin_addr) #define route_gtw(route) \ (((struct sockaddr_in *) &(route)->rt_gateway)->sin_addr) #define route_iface(route) \ ((route)->rt_dev) If anyone can help me translate this to OpenBSD ... :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Joel WirÄmu Pauling wrote: > I am unsure if Fortinet have a linux client, I imagine they must. I think just Windows and Mac, thanks. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Steve Shockley wrote: A quick search found https://github.com/adrienverge/openfortivpn, but I haven't tested it. Thank you for the pointer. I didn't find that. What was your search string? It's clearly the right product. However. I've been trying to build it for an hour now. It requires Much Work for OpenBSD, it's somewhat wed to the Linux stack. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Janne Johansson wrote: Try ipsec, I hear some of the commercial offerings almost manage that too. I just can't figure out how to connect to VPN's I don't have any control of. I've found articles where the user had admin control of the Cisco or Fortinet device. I just need to log into nets I don't administer. I'm forced off OpenBSD in the workplace when I the connection is thru a VPN. I don't understand the minutiae of VPN's enough to figure this out and I find no useful examples on the web. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
OpenBSD <> Commercial VPNs
Googled and not found much on connecting OpenBSD to proprietary VPN offerings. I looked at OpenVPN which conceptually resembles Fortinet but doesn't seem to have any way to connect to Fortinet SSL VPN. Any pointers or tips? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question
On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: On 1/3/08, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to ask the community what they think: Is the hiring of open source star coders in expectation of ancillary benefit from their influence in Open Source projects a win-win form of "voting with your feet" or is it an ethical conflict? I'm curious how we all see this. i think people should be allowed to decide for themselves where they work. i can't imagine wanting to live in any other system. I totally agree with you. Thanks for your comment! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question
A professional peer of mine wrote the following article: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23417 which contains the following paragraph: Google's hired great open source developers from projects like Linux, Firefox, Samba and Apache. They all still have ties back into those projects. Now these key hires can help influence open source development projects that happen to indirectly benefit Google. Plus, open source developers would love to help improve their projects and displace Microsoft. A win-win. I'd like to ask the community what they think: Is the hiring of open source star coders in expectation of ancillary benefit from their influence in Open Source projects a win-win form of "voting with your feet" or is it an ethical conflict? I'm curious how we all see this. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Fatal page fault during boot on Toshiba A200 1M7
Possible motherboard hardware problems (PCI controller), or possibly memory problems? (( "pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum" )) On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Key wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install OpenBSD 4.2 on my Toshiba A200 1M7 (Intel Core2 Duo T7100 1.86Ghz,1024Mb, 160Gb, 12.1", Intel GMA X3100 DO 128Mb, DVD-RW) laptop and almost failed to boot installer from CD. During bootload I see: -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
Jack J. Woehr wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: How is this my fault? Theo has made it clear to me in private email that what he was asking here, is "Why, Jack, are you telling me to shut up and not Richard?" Excuse me for the inclarity. Richard, knock off baiting the OpenBSD community, you nudnick. It doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a wanker. Tend your own garden and stop pissing in other people's garden. Sheesh. MacArthur "genius" grant winner. Grow up. Jack -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
IC1igo Tejedor Arrondo wrote: El sC!b, 15-12-2007 a las 09:57 -0700, Jack J. Woehr escribiC3: I profoundly respect both of you and know you both f2f. Richard has been my house guest twice. You're both tyrannical, bratty absolute tyrants, the difference being Richard is passive-aggressive and Theo is aggressive-aggressive. I see other differences: I do, too. I like them both. I want them to stop fighting in public. I don't care which one started it. I suppose it was Richard. It doesn't matter. Our reputations as human beings will long outlive our reputations as coders. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
Theo de Raadt wrote: Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each other, sooner or later it ends, and then all you've got is two guys standing there looking sheepish, all covered with poop. How is this my fault? It's not your fault. You're still standing there waiting for more poop to be flung on you though. Richard slagged our efforts. In the public space. Over the 1/4 century of flamefests I've seen online, the truth of the proposition under debate was obvious from the first few lines. The rest is gratuitous verbal violence. Richard is a hyprcrite, since he does exactly the same thing. Richard walked onto this mailin list, telling lies. He must be lonely and raring for a good poop sling. Or the validation of being drawn into one. So, Jack, why are you acting as if this is my fault? I don't blame it on you other than when Richard reels out a string and dangles a catnip mouse in front of you, you pounce on it. Why don't you tell your buddy Richard to get lost instead? He always does, eventually. Then, every few years, it's our turn to host the RMS Show again. Do you think we'll all ever grow up? They'll certainly find us darned humorous when they read about us after we're gone. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
Theo de Raadt wrote: I was not inspired by him, but by Chris Torek, Keith Bostic, and Mike Karels, Heroes of my g-g-generation, bless them all and the code and documentation they wrote. who chose to not play politics. Here in Colorado, I've paraded Richard to lobby before elected officials. I know his shtick. One of my Democrat friends whom Richard lectured in 1995 on the threat to human freedom imposed by digital rights legislation is now up and coming and a member of the US Congress. Richard has done us *service* whether or not he's a big silly. I can't speak for Richard. If he wants to be childish and repeat the same arguments over and over again in an OpenBSD newsgroup while the OpenBSD gang makes the same responses, well, that's the PeeWee Herman routine: "I know you are, but what am I?" -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
Theo de Raadt wrote: Richard seperated us out. Jack, don't go telling me that we may not rail against Richard being a prick. Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each other, sooner or later it ends, and then all you've got is two guys standing there looking sheepish, all covered with poop. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
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Rob Lytle wrote:
== wooosh ===>(your humour)
O(my head)
--knitti
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Thats the whole point of this crap. The threads aren't funny and
waste a lot of time. I guess I did go "whoosh" over your head.
Rob
thanks to http://www.asciiartfarts.com/20010723.html
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Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)
Theo de Raadt wrote: EVERYTHING code related that people thinks comes from the FSF today, comes to us without Richard Stallman actually working on it. Richard is just another random long haired hypocritical mouthpiece, who will be known after his death as the original author of the C compiler which is used by more of the closed-source embedded industry than any other C compiler. Now now. Order. Richard is the face that launched a thousand Gnus. You as well as anyone here know what he did for the concept of giving away source code. He inspired a whole generation of free software writers. Look at the Gnu tree sometime, it's the core of everything we do, all of us. I profoundly respect both of you and know you both f2f. Richard has been my house guest twice. You're both tyrannical, bratty absolute tyrants, the difference being Richard is passive-aggressive and Theo is aggressive-aggressive. You two please play nice and don't demand that your fans line up on one side or another. It's not fair to us who depend on both of you so much. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Borja Tarraso wrote: Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does not make any sense... Sounds like the first three lines for Ty's next song! Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, It does not make any sense OpenBSD is as free as the wind Take that out with you On the Gnu on which you rode in ... Etc. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Theo de Raadt wrote: ... your pants are full of hypocritical poo. There's one for usr.bin/mg/theo.c -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Marti Martinez wrote: Summary of this thread: RMS doesn't support OpenBSD. Where here is there a problem waiting for a solution? Marti for chair of the next discussion!!! +1 -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Jacob Meuser wrote: the README.libcdio file in the libcdio sources mentions this file and says it can't be included because it's not GPL. I contacted the libcdio maintainer about this file, and he again said he could not include it because the BSD license is incompatible. Yes, our community of people who generally believe in free software and open source find many ways to roll bowling balls at each other's ankles. We're very silly sometimes. Idealists do tend towards intolerance, especially of other idealists. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Jacob Meuser wrote: his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a "social failure". In everything, there is light and dark, interwoven :-) recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the BSD community is being "petty" to make an issue out of it. Well, sue 'em, if it's so. But no point in sulking. Like the ENTIRE PROGRAMMING COMMUNITY, we're a bunch of cantankerous, contentious, contumacious perfectionists. Stallman and Theo especially. And you, too. And me. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
mcb, inc. wrote: Watching the latest flame war, I can't help thinking that as founders of their respective projects Theo and RMS are trapped in a jail of rigid consistency and absolutism demanded by children and utopians. Well, yes and no. Theo's absolutism has kept OpenBSD pretty much the last blob-free OS in the Free Software world. RMS's absolutism has kept alive an ideal that launched the mainstream open source movement. So it's not non-functional. It's emotionally hard on the individuals concerned, and often emotionally hard on us who bask in the reflected glow of these geniuses :-). But it all seems to work out in practice. Has for a cuple of decades now, give or take a few years. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: mc problem under 4.2
On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Robert Zajda wrote: [Dirs] other_dir=/root Does this directory exist? Is it local? If you are chrooted, does it exist in your chroot layout? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: mc problem under 4.2
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Bambero wrote: On Nov 27, 2007 8:25 PM, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] performance.com> wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Bambero wrote: When i type: mc I have to wait 5 min to see the Midnight Commander. After comannd it hangs and it's ready to work after 5 minutes. My "wild analytical guess" about your problem is this: One of the two panes of the mc display is logged into some remote device or file system -- nfs, ftp, unmounted disk, etc. Hmm the problem is not so simple i have second machine with OpenBSD 4.2 and everything works fine. Secondly when i chroot to this instalation under OpenBSD 4.0 it works without any problems. Maybe something with my hardware, but under OpenBSD 4.0 it works fine on the same computer. Very doubtful that this is hardware. Very doubtful it is OBSD 4.2. It's most likely something about your mc setup. Can you post your ~/.mc/ini file, or at least the following keys?: clear_before_exec= fast_reload= fast_reload_msg_shown= confirm_execute= dive_into_subdirs= vfs_timeout= vfs_use_targz_memlimit= ftpfs_directory_timeout= use_netrc= ftpfs_retry_seconds= ftpfs_always_use_proxy= ftpfs_use_passive_connections= other_dir= current_is_left= -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: mc problem under 4.2
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Bambero wrote: When i type: mc I have to wait 5 min to see the Midnight Commander. After comannd it hangs and it's ready to work after 5 minutes. [[ This probably should have been reported to ports@ rather than misc@ ]] Bambero, I'm an 'mc' fanatic running it under 4.2. There is no problem for me. My "wild analytical guess" about your problem is this: One of the two panes of the mc display is logged into some remote device or file system -- nfs, ftp, unmounted disk, etc. Something. And that file system is not active so mc tries after each command until it times out. Was that a good guess? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: ooRexx runs on OpenBSD! At last!
But the scripts I use for my WWW creation works. I do not use queues and maybe ooRexx is not fully functional within some specific actions but having the second choice of having no Rexx under OpenBSD (Regina Rexx is unavailable) I thank for what I got with 3.2.0 version at least. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Probably there's a Queue Server daemon I've got to start. Forgot about that! P.S. I wrote to you but the mail returned marked blacklisted. ;-) Will have to check with the spam meister, my apologies. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: ooRexx runs on OpenBSD! At last!
Compiles. Doesn't exactly run. Maybe I'm forgetting something from my ORexx days on OS/2 and Linux in the 1990's. $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib/ooRexx: $ pwd /usr/local/share/ooRexx $ rexx rexxtry.rex REXX-ooRexx_3.2.0(MT) 6.02 8 Nov 2007 /usr/local/share/ooRexx/rexxtry.rex lets you interactively try REXX statements. Each string is executed when you hit Enter. Enter 'call tell' for a description of the features. Go on - try a few...Enter 'exit' to end. *E* No further API user possible! Oooops ! ... try again. Failure in system service rc = 48 .. /usr/local/share/ooRexx/rexxtry.rex on NETBSD *E* No further API user possible! 231 *-* if argrx <> '' & queued() = 0 71 *-* call main REX0048E: Error 48 running /usr/local/share/ooRexx/rexxtry.rex line 231: Failure in system service $ On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:47 AM, PrzemysEaw PaweEczyk wrote: Hi, The newest Open Object Rexx of 3.2.0 release can be compiled on OpenBSD 4.2. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Help needed to get PF working
On Oct 25, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Timo Myyrd wrote: Any other ideas? Here's a dumb idea: In your posting, a lot of lines in your pf.conf file are wrapped. I *hope* that happened in email and isn't actually the case in the pf.conf file? One of those "Sir, is the computer actually plugged in?" questions, but perhaps worth asking. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..
On Oct 24, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > We know what a VM operating system has to do to deal with the PC > architecture. It is too complex to get perfectly right. I concur with this assessment and the discussion of actual x86 PC implementation vs. 390 architecture which led up to it. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..
On Oct 24, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > You don't > build better security by building another gigantic layer. That > is obvious to anyone who actually works in the field. Having worked in REAL VM :-) (IBM VM/ESA now z/VM) it isn't per se about security like we mean security ... preventing cracking attempts ... it is about isolation of processes. Isolation of processes does contribute to security but it's not the only point of flexion. In practice, mainframe VM varies greatly in security from installation to installation ... the protection of processes from one another in the VM operating system is as hardware/software perfect as the wit and skill of humankind can provide ... but I've found VM installations with accounts like USER passwd USER :-( All things being equal, the safest base installations in the universe would be those whose user instances were encased in some kind of solid VM and whose base instance administrators were provided with and followed best practices. In re that "solid" VM ... As Theo pointed out the other day, the Intel hardware support for virtualization is less than complete, i.e., less mature than the 35-year-old support for virtualization in the IBM 370/390 architecture. So we still gots a ways to go. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: The Name: UNIX
On Oct 10, 2007, at 10:48 AM, David Given wrote: michael hamerski wrote: "The closest I ever came to magic was working with Unix wizards," said Wiz. "Eunuchs wizards? Did they do that to themselves to gain power?" PHB - "My boss says we need some eunuch programmers." Dilbert - "I think he means UNIX and I already know UNIX." PHB - "Well, if the company nurse comes by, tell her I said never mind." -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
On Sep 17, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Instead, however, they approached me with rage, > trying to blame the FSF for whatever happened. I don't have to take > that, and I don't have to cater to them. It's more disturbing to me at 55 than it was at 35 that the free software - open source community is prone to fits of sectarian (verbal) violence. I've grown up in the past twenty years. I hope somebody else in this crowd has!!! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | > On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | "Fewer words", eh? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: OpenBSD Install Goal
On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Matthias Kilian wrote: Fancy curses interfaces or even high-resolution progress bars with dancing puffy animations won't change this. Speak for yourself ... my professional life would be profoundly changed by dancing puffy animations during the OpenBSD install ... :-) -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: communism is good
On Sep 5, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Timo Schoeler wrote: > thus Jack J. Woehr spake: >> On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Gaby Vanhegan wrote: >>> On 5 Sep 2007, at 18:13, Nick Guenther wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/5/07, Josef Stalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> communism is good, openbsd comrades. >>>>> >>>>> it is very nice. >>>>> >>>> Party on. >>> In communist russia, OpenBSD develops you! >> Efter the rewolution, kumrad, all will be havink BSD-licensed >> open source >> and you will be likink it! > > Err, Russia != U.S.A. People are NOT illiterates in Russia. Da, ja ponimaju! That's just a punchline from a corny old English joke circa 1920 about Hyde Park revolutionary orators. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: communism is good
On Sep 5, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Gaby Vanhegan wrote: > On 5 Sep 2007, at 18:13, Nick Guenther wrote: > >> On 9/5/07, Josef Stalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> communism is good, openbsd comrades. >>> >>> it is very nice. >>> >> >> Party on. > > In communist russia, OpenBSD develops you! Efter the rewolution, kumrad, all will be havink BSD-licensed open source and you will be likink it! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: OT Strange Punishment
On Aug 29, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Jona Joachim wrote: > It's not about the guy, it's about the fact that Microsoft makes > money out of his punishment. I'm with you, Jona. > The fact that the government supports Microsoft is contrary to the > "free market" philosophy that the US government preaches. And it is ENTIRELY COINCIDENTAL that Microsoft during the 1990's threw a long series of million (10^6) dollar parties for members of the US Congress as they lobbied for various bills aimed at removing software freedom! :-) -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: OT Strange Punishment
It just shows how these laws are designed to protect Microsoft at the expense of everyone else. Microsoft has been very effective over the past decades at lobbying congress to "enclose the commons" of computer science. There is a bill before Congress now to roll back patent protection, notably in the field of software. American users of OpenBSD might want to follow this struggle, which is running into massive opposition from non-comp-sci patent holders. On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:15 AM, Terry wrote: > I found this article interesting. > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6204348.html > > -- > Terry > http://tyson.homeunix.org > http://www.UnixByte.com > -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: MacMini G4 1.5 GHz, setting the screen resolution in OFW
On Aug 23, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Marc Balmer wrote: > I ve got a 1.5 GHz MacMini attached to a 17" IBM TFT panel that has > a 1280x1024 resolution. > > How can I set the MacMini's display resolution to 1280x1024 24 bit > colors in OpenFirmware? > > In OFW, 'dev screen show-modes' shows me a list of valid modes, > amongst them the one I want, but when doing a 'dev screen set- > mode' the screen only gets garbled. > > Any MacMini users around? Yeah, me, and I'm as confused as you are. I'd like the answer to this myself! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Laptop death...
The King of Norway wrote: 26238YU - T60P CD/2.0 1GB 100GB 14.1" SXGA+ DVDR WLS BT DOS Rough Price: $1,645.99 - $1,878.99 Paypal sent. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Announcing: The OpenBSD Foundation
Bob Beck wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is pleased to announce today it has completed its organization as a Canadian federal non-profit corporation and is ready for public interaction. Awesome. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: OT: A question on english meaning
On Jul 23, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Darek Stojek wrote: > What is the meaning of "urgure"? I think that's where you examine the intestines of a sacred chicken to see what the future portends? No, wait, that's "augure". :-) -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Will H. Backman wrote: > All fundraising suggestions should be written on the back of a $100 > bill > and sent to Theo. I agree. I sent two Bluetooth cards and $100 cc donation in the past twelvemonth. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work
On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > No campaign will fix that. I dunno, marketing seems to work sometimes. Maybe it can never work *for OpenBSD*, because when some CIO or MIS manager hits the list to ask a question they get roasted by the fachidiot of the day. End of corporate donation. But many non-profit entities do make appeals and campaigns, and it works for them. Your point however that it takes work is a justified point. You've got a www@ responsponsible party. Maybe an appeals@ responsible party to make webbage, write surveys, and spawn begging campaigns? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Bob Beck wrote: > > Oh, a directed spam campaign. perfect. that will endear us to our > users. Please return to marketing school from whence you came, and > think > before you suggest such things. A open source entity asking for donations from commercial entities with whom they already have a business relationship is not spam. Theo indicated he wished to somehow coalesce and redirect appeals so they would result in lump sums and/or machines rather than a trickle of small user donations. The suggested technique might be effective at achieving Theo's goals. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: However I wish there were some large companies out there using and relying in pf, who could just decide (right now) Suggestion for tapping the Large Company resource for OpenBSD: 1) Create an OpenBSD User Survey a) should include questions that identifies user classes such as Private Dude and Large Company b) should allow user to self-identify if willing for followup surveys and appeals 2) Place survey a) on website b) on the next CDROM 3) Use info garnered through survey to a) craft appeals on website b) create email appeals to self-identified users in correct classes. Sounds silly perhaps to the more typical OpenBSD user, but if indeed there is Large Company use of OpenBSD those admins/users will be more responsive to the survey-and-appeal paradigm than our typical lone wolf users. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: The British
On Jun 1, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Rafael Almeida wrote: > what's happening with [EMAIL PROTECTED] > It has become the target of an unfriendly takeover by the Knights who say "Ni!" -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Snapshots src/sys tarballs
On May 30, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > With about half a million dollars of extra money I am sure that I > could change this process and make it more suitable to the whiners. I was going to suggest a bake sale ... nah, maybe not ... -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: 4.0 locked up over the weekend
On May 7, 2007, at 12:20 PM, Bruce Bauer wrote: > This system has been running flawlessly since mid-March with GENERIC > plus the 010 patch. dmesg below > This morning I found it totally unresponsive both through network and > at the console. Had to use the power switch to recover. > > Where do I start trying to track this down? Open the box and check your power supply and blow it out with air if it's full of dust. Number one cause of mysterious lockups in my personal experience. Next, run a memory test. Only then start trying to debug software, e.g., OpenBSD. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: GPL is free for forcing people to free code when they publish, not free as in free to do what you want, which is actually what free as in BSD, and real freedom ends at the tip of my nose
On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:25 PM, chefren wrote: > Clearly not to death and people here are seriously interested in > pro and contra arguments. Hey, if you young folks still have all that typing power in your fingers, please bang on the code for BSD some more! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Why Linus Torvalds won't donate to OpenSSH
On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Dan Farrell wrote: > Seriously... this is a troll. > > This is like electronic insurgency designed to get OBSD supporters in > another huff with the Linux world... hasn't bcw(4) provided enough for > that purpose? > Bless you , Danno. When you're right, you're right. Further, if anyone on this list is of the nature to care what celebrity programmers do or do not do, I suggest they go to http://www.cnn.com and follow the adventures of Nicole Smith's baby and its putative fathers. That is much meatier celebrity-fu than the rather dry and orderly life of the justly esteemed Mr. Torvalds. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: bcw(4) is gone
On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Darren Spruell wrote: > This whole affair has once again proved that the project's dedication > to getting a hardware vendor to reduce completely open specifications > and documentation, and not compromises around such, is truly the only > "safe" way to go. That appears to be a fair conclusion. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
Re: Important OpenBSD errata
Travers Buda wrote: * Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-17 19:47:00]: It would be better if OpenBSD could be maintained secure even without a skilled security professional. Today's trend is that things are accomodated to ordinary people. You don't need a driver anymore to professionally drive your car. You don't need to understand how the engine works anymore to operate the car properly. You don't need to understand megahertz anymore to tune your TV set. Are you kidding me? OpenBSD does everything for you! Hardware and software shipped with the system works right out of the box. The documentation is complete, so you don't need to google for basic man pages. And don't even get me started on the 2.4 radio support. Kismet just works. You don't have to track down some crazy linux kernel patch, make sure you have all the right modules loaded, etc. The installer is sparse, and it's a good thing. You partition the disks, extract the OS and set your root password. It's all very simple. You've probably noticed this stuff, well, the security works just the same. You don't have to do anything to make the system more secure. You can only reverse that. OpenBSD is the easiest operating system I have ever worked with. You're both right! The security Karel describes, in the most ideal of plausible scenarios, would be the security of the automobile: it's pretty secure against dolts, but experts can still steal it. And Travers is right that it's the easiest. Because it's the simplest and most thematically coherent. Which is the best hope for the amateur secure systems buff. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303-443-7000 ext. 527
