Re: OpenBSD 4.9 pre-orders
Yeah - this is a good question... Normally I get an American XL and that is fine. How do these compare? /me has CC out... -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Henrik Engmark wrote: > I am kind of uncertain about Canadian clothes sizes. > I am 187 centimetres tall, and I weigh in at about 100 kilos. > In other words, quite the fat bloke. > What size hoodie would you recommend, X, XX or XXX? > > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:10:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> >>> I've turned on OpenBSD 4.9 pre-orders. Support us by buying something >>>> please. These sales are a part of keeping the project going. >>>> >>>> As for clothing... there's going to be a black hoodie this time.
Don't forget to plug the project
(10 minutes of me helping debug an ssh config problem proceeds this) 15:34 < tobym> oh wow 15:34 < tobym> that fixed it 15:48 < N1JER> tobym: word 15:48 < N1JER> tobym: you should take this time to donate to the openssh project 15:49 < tobym> time or money? :) 15:49 < N1JER> either 15:49 < N1JER> :) 15:52 < achin_> yes, the openssh project deserves a lot of love (both the tangible and untangible kind) 15:52 < tobym> donation sent -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase
Re: multicore processors gain
Yes, it will use all your cores. I don't understand your question about "blade" servers, but they are just a different form factor of the essentially the same hardware. If the hardware is supported SMP should work just fine. PS: SMP is what lets you use all your cores: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Mihai Popescu B.S. wrote: > Hi folks, > > I will reformulate the question. Sorry for this, but it sleeps off topic. > > So, I'm interested about Intel Core 2 Duo family and i3, i5, i7 > families. I don't know what SMP is about. > I remember UNIX has no threads, just processes spawn by fork(). > > Having this in mind, will a processor from upper categories help me > and how - by using all its cores or just some extra L2 or L3 cache. > Are there some differences in the way OpenBSD runs on a processor from > upper categories and some "blade" server with many stand alone > processors. > > Many thanks.
Re: multicore processors gain
This is my not-so-technical understanding. OpenBSD's current SMP status: - The kernel uses a single lock for shared data. My understanding is that this means that the kernel itself doesn't benefit from SMP as much as it could otherwise, but it does use multiple cores. (I believe, but would like confirmation from someone who knows) - Userland processes can run on as many cores as are supported. So if you have multiple processes that are using a lot of CPU time, they will be split across all cores. - However all threads in a multi-threaded process will run on one core. For example Mysql will only use a single core, even though it is multi-threaded. Bottom line, SMP is very well supported. People blow the BKL thing out of proportion. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Mihai Popescu B.S. wrote: > > Hello, > > I got the idea from FAQ that OpenBSD is not using more than one core > from multicore processors. > Pretending I got it right, what's the benefit to buy an Intel Core 2 > Duo ? Just the bigger cache and some extra instructions? > > Is there a difference in how OpenBSD handles let's say a multicore > processor or an arhitecture with blade processors ? > > Thanks.
Re: OpenBSD in Rock Band 3
Exactly. MTV couldn't care less. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Marti Martinez wrote: > I'm fairly certain that he's suggesting that they *will* continue to > break the law, not that they *should* do so. > > / It's like Wikileaks *accepting* brown envelopes, but not *soliciting* them. > // Actually, it's nothing like that. > /// Other than being a semantic difference with significant legal > ramifications. > /// Too many slashies; going to bed now. > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: >> So you suggest they should continue to break the law? >> >> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:38:10AM -0500, Jeremy Chase wrote: >>> I'm sure they'll recall all the CD's and reprint them. >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Chase >>> http://twitter.com/jeremychase >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: >>> > Yeah they took a shortcut. B No good. >>> > >>> > They have to list *every* individual copyright message from every file >>> > they use. B Someone should point that out to them. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 05:55:33PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: >>> >> That's a little strange, because I don't think there is any code >>> >> anywhere copyrighted by OpenBSD. B All the code is copyright by the >>> >> individual contributors. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Doug Clements >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim >>> wrote: >>> >> >> :) well, possible to sit through those again? This time, prepare your >>> >> >> camera. :) >>> >> > >>> >> > Here's the best I got: >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5bec65cccf.jpg - SGI >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?29f575c27e.jpg - Rgindael/AES >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?80e8f1270b.jpg - Mark >>> Borgerding >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7b8ba7a5c6.jpg - Simon Brown >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3bd1000b8f.jpg - RSA/MD5 >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?be87682cdd.jpg - OpenBSD >>> >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2b516d12eb.jpg - Nvidia >>> >> > >>> >> > Not much info there, so it's hard for me to speculate. >>> >> > >>> >> > --Doug
Re: OpenBSD in Rock Band 3
I'm sure they'll recall all the CD's and reprint them. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > Yeah they took a shortcut. B No good. > > They have to list *every* individual copyright message from every file > they use. B Someone should point that out to them. > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 05:55:33PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: >> That's a little strange, because I don't think there is any code >> anywhere copyrighted by OpenBSD. B All the code is copyright by the >> individual contributors. >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Doug Clements wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: >> >> :) well, possible to sit through those again? This time, prepare your >> >> camera. :) >> > >> > Here's the best I got: >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?5bec65cccf.jpg - SGI >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?29f575c27e.jpg - Rgindael/AES >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?80e8f1270b.jpg - Mark Borgerding >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7b8ba7a5c6.jpg - Simon Brown >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?3bd1000b8f.jpg - RSA/MD5 >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?be87682cdd.jpg - OpenBSD >> > http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?2b516d12eb.jpg - Nvidia >> > >> > Not much info there, so it's hard for me to speculate. >> > >> > --Doug
Re: Number of static IP addresses needed for CARP
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Steven Surdock wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf > Of > > Stuart Henderson > > > > On 2010-11-18, Jan Johansson wrote: > > > Jeff Ross wrote: > > >> What can one then use for the IP addresses for the $ext_if of the > > >> firewalls? > ... > > Also useful when you want to connect out externally from whichever > > firewall isn't master. (e.g. dns lookups, ntp, fixing problems from > remote > > locations...) > > True, but you can always use ifstated to modify the default gateway on > the backup FW to point to the internal address of the active FW. > Assuming you have assigned addresses on the physical LAN interfaces. > That doesn't help with any sort of remote access to the backup FW, > however. B As said, it is nice to have IP's on the external interfaces, > but not required. > > -Steve S. > Or, on both machines you could forward port 3 to the internal port 22 of one firewall and 4 to internal port 22 of the other. That way you could get to either machine but only use one external IP.
Re: em(4) is just 10baseT
I'm just spitballing here, but have you verified that it is really 10baseT? I would do an experiment to see what ball-park transfer rates you can get on your LAN. It is possible that the output of ifconfig is incorrect. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Jochen Fabricius wrote: > Hi all, > > today I discovered that my network connection on an Acer Aspire X3900 is > only 10baseT. Never realized it before because the speed is enough (mostly > relatively slow internet connection, no large files to/from other machines). > System is 4.8-release. > > I checked: > - wiring: even at shortest connection to the switch only 10baseT was > available > - other switches > - other machines with the same cables, same port on switch > > The PHY is a 82578, and as I understand the commit messages the support is > still "basic", but shouldn't at least 100baseTX work? That's what all my > switches support. I have to check with a 1 GbE switch, but I don't know if I > can get one in the next time. Has anyone higher speeds working with this > PHY? > > Before release I tried a 4.8 BETA on this machine, but I never checked for > network speed. > > Ifconfig output and dmesg below. Do you need anything else? > > em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 >lladdr 90:fb:a6:46:db:e1 >priority: 0 >groups: egress >media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause) >status: active >inet6 fe80::92fb:a6ff:fe46:dbe1%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 >inet 10.0.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 > > OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC.MP) #335: Mon Aug 16 09:09:20 MDT 2010 >dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP > real mem = 3211264000 (3062MB) > avail mem = 3111964672 (2967MB) > mainbus0 at root > bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0x9b000 (50 entries) > bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "P01-A3" date 12/16/2009 > bios0: Acer Aspire X3900 > acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 > acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 > acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG SLIC OEMB HPET GSCI AWMI SSDT > acpi0: wakeup devices P0P1(S4) P0P3(S4) P0P4(S4) P0P5(S4) P0P6(S4) BR1E(S4) > PS2K(S4) PS2M(S4) GBE_(S4) BR20(S4) BR21(S4) BR22(S4) BR23(S4) BR24(S4) > BR25(S4) BR26(S4) BR27(S4) EUSB(S3) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) > USBE(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) SLPB(S4) > acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits > acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat > cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) > cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3192.45 MHz > cpu0: > FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG > cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache > cpu0: apic clock running at 133MHz > cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) > cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3192.00 MHz > cpu1: > FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG > cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache > cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) > cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3192.00 MHz > cpu2: > FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG > cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache > cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 5 (application processor) > cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3192.00 MHz > cpu3: > FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,NXE,LONG > cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache > ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 6 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins > ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 1, remapped to apid 6 > acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz > acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) > acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 9 (BR1E) > acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (BR20) > acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (BR21) > acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (BR22) > acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 5 (BR23) > acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 6 (BR24) > acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR25) > acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 7 (BR26) > acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus 8 (BR27) > acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS > acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS > acpicpu2 at acpi0: PSS > acpicpu3 at acpi0: PSS > acpibtn0 at acpi0: SLPB > acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB > cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 3192 MHz: speeds: 3201, 3200, 3067, 2933, 2800, > 2667,
Re: Building a Practical Penetration Test Lab
2010/11/11 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera : > On 10/05/10 12:47, Toma9 Vavys wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I would like to become helpful OpenBSD developer (pentester) one day, >> so I have a few questions. >> >> I am CompSci student at the moment. I consider myself as a white hat >> person and I really enjoy everything about security. It's a shame that >> we need to sleep sometimes, isn't it? >> >> Back to the main topic. I want to migrate to OpenBSD from ArchLinux. >> But I have these conditions. I travel a lot, so I need everything all >> in laptop(one). I am thinking about Windows 7 and OpenBSD dualboot >> because of my hardware support in Windows 7. I'd like to to use HDMI >> sometimes. So my questios are: >> >> 1) What is the best possible way how to setup my penetration lab? I >> used Virtualbox in Archlinux, but I am new to BDS so I want to ask you >> what is different here in virtualization. Is it better to test >> everything in Windows 7 via Virtualbox. Or is it better to test >> everything via Qemu in OpenBSD? Are there any restrictions? What is >> your pentest lab setup like? >> >> 2) I'd like to use disk encryption which prompts me for password >> at startup and then there will be 2 options for boot (Windows 7 or >> OpenBSD). How can I do this to keep OpenBSD totally safe from >> Windows 7? Can Windows 7 hurt my OpenBSD in any possible way? If yes, >> how can I prevent this? >> >> Thank you for your answers and patience. >> >> Toma9 Vavrys >> -- >> Website: http://blog.cleancode.cz/ >> > > This might help with full disc encryption: > - http://16s.us/OpenBSD/softraid.txt > - man softraid > - man bioctl > > Obviously, windows can't read anything. B I can, of course, write, or > delete you data. > > The best penetration testing is though two physical computers, to better > simulate real conditions. > OpenBSD doesn't run properly on VirtualBox (it does install on the > latest version), and I belive virtualization is not really supported. > > > -- > Hugo Osvaldo Barrera > > I can confirm that OpenBSD doesn't always work as a virtual machine. So I would focus on using OpenBSD as the host and using some other OS as a client in QEMU.
Re: Architeture Choose
I've looked into v20z's, but was turned off by the cost of a replacement power supply. A new one is roughly 200 USD. Or does the v20z accept a standard 1U power supply? -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2010-11-09, Scott Stanley wrote: >> I've heard a lot of praise for Sparc gear on this thread. Do many of >> you have much experience with Sun's amd gear? >> >> When using the "I'm only referring to Sparc" disclaimer, what's being >> implied here (because I know nobody's saying that hardware fails >> because of the CPU type, or am I wrong on that)? >> >> Is it that Sparc boxes are for mission critical apps, and so "let's >> use only the best hardware"? >> >> Anyway, I was considering buying a Sun Fire V20z (amd) as a home >> server, and would like to hear about any good or bad experiences with >> Sun+AMD (googling yields only media hype and performance reviews, but >> not real world stuff). > > v20z is a newisys machine not a sun machine. (someone else also oem'd > them - maybe ibm?). the integrated disk mirroring works fine (mpi). > it can be slightly fussy about PCI cards, mine refused to boot with > an ami(4) connected. > > the management port is a separate embedded linux machine (with > its own internal copy of conserver!) and has a dedicated nic, > so it does work with OpenBSD on the main machine. if you want > to use serial console iirc you'll need to disable console > redirection in the bios and just set it up in the boot loader. > > disks are of course scsi and only 2, so not ideal if you want > large volumes of storage. (make sure you get the trays, they are > not the standard easily-obtainable sun spud brackets), > > they're useful machines and not bad - much better than the x2100 - > but I'd hesitate to recommend almost any 1U rackmount box as a home > server due to the noise levels. For home server use I think most > people would be happier with something like an HP ML110 or one of > the smaller Dell towers with an sas/sata raid card. > > OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #622: Sun Nov B 7 14:57:37 MST 2010 > B B dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP > real mem = 4226220032 (4030MB) > avail mem = 4099817472 (3909MB) > mainbus0 at root > bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.31 @ 0xefc10 (44 entries) > bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies Ltd. version "V1.35.5.1" date 10/22/2008 > bios0: Sun Microsystems Sun Fire V20z > acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 > acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S5 > acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC SPCR SSDT SSDT SSDT SRAT > acpi0: wakeup devices PCI0(S1) THOR(S1) USB0(S1) USB1(S1) Z000(S5) Z002(S5) > acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits > acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz > acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat > cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) > cpu0: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 252, 2592.99 MHz > cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW > cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache > cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative > cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative > cpu0: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required > cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz > cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) > cpu1: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 252, 2592.62 MHz > cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUS H,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW > cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache > cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative > cpu1: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully associative > cpu1: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required > ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins > ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfd00, version 11, 4 pins > ioapic2 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfd001000, version 11, 4 pins > acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 1 (THOR) > acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (Z000) > acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (Z002) > acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS > acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS > acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB > ipmi at mainbus0 not configured > cpu0: Cool'n'Quiet K8 2592 MHz: speeds: 2600 2400 2200 2000 1800 1000 MHz > pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 > ppb0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "AMD 8111 PCI-PCI" rev 0x07 > pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 > ohci0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "AMD 8111 USB" rev 0x0b:
Re: Architeture Choose
> I'm not fond of MacPPC machines for the very reason many people love them: > the style. B The cute cases are a pain in the butt to deal with I second that. I had to replace the HD in my emac and I literally had to take the motherboard out to get access. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nick Holland wrote: > On 11/05/10 08:46, Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm long time far from OpenBSD world, but planning to come back. >> The plan is to buy an old machine, but, maybe try an new platform, if the >> investment worths... >> >> I have these options, all in the same price range: >> >> A) Sun Fire V100 UltraSPARC IIi 650 Mhz - 2x160Gb Hd - 2Gb RAM - CDROM -> >> US$ 350 >> >> B) Apple Power PC G4 733 Mhz - 768 Gb RAM - 38Gb HD -> B US$ 320,00 >> >> C) Atlhon 64 X2 +5200, 2 GB RAM, 160Gb HD -> B US$ 320,00 >> >> The idea is to build an server with: WWW/Email/Firewall funcionalities, >> with >> better stablity as possible. >> >> I don't think that I will need to upgrade for an period, but pieces that >> have mechanical components (Hd, cooler) may be a problem, if they are >> platform-exclusive... >> >> Thanks for any help, and sorry for any mistake in my English.. >> >> Best Regards, >> Felipe >> SP-Brazil > > well... B Given that choice, I'd go for the Athlon if you need performance > (you probably won't), or the Sun Fire v100 if you want to learn something > new. > > I'm not fond of MacPPC machines for the very reason many people love them: > the style. B The cute cases are a pain in the butt to deal with -- I use a > lot of wire rack shelving units, I actually have to velcro-tie the tower > macppc systems to the rack to keep the bottom handle from slipping over the > front of the shelf and ending up on the floor. > > The prices on all of them seem high to me, at least in my market. B That > doesn't mean much. B :) > > One thing to consider is what happens if the box itself fails. B OpenBSD is > great about moving disks to new hardware in the same platform, but if your > Sun fails, you need a compatible sun, if your MacPPC fails, you need another > macppc, if your amd64 fails, you need another amd64 (or i386, if you have > installed OpenBSD/i386). B So, if you run on a macppc or sun system, in the > event of failure, you will need to put your hands on a similar machine > quickly. B The 160G disks in the Sun Fire v100 might hurt you in that regard > -- a lot of the Sun IDE disk systems are hw limited to 128G, so you won't be > able to stick your 160G disks in an Ultra5, Ultra10, or a Blade100 should > your v100 fail. B If you go with this machine, I'd put smaller disks in it in > case you have to fall back to a U5/U10. > > If you have to do a cross-platform move, it will require restoring data from > your backup, you can't (in general) mount disks from one platform in another > and read the data. > > > Nick.
Re: Architeture Choose
I have an emac that I just updated to 4.8 macppc, and it as expected, it works great.B I used to run OpenBSD on an old ultra5, and it also worked great. x86 might be the most common, but the other architectures work very well too. For what you are doing it looks like all these machines will be fine from a performance standpoint, but as Christopher said, the Athlon will be the snappiest. I'd still get the Sun box though, assuming the fan noise isn't a problem. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM, LeviaComm Networks wrote: > > On 05-Nov-10 05:47, Felipe Mesquita de Oliveira wrote: >> >> C) Atlhon 64 X2 +5200, 2 GB RAM, 160Gb HD -> B US$ 320,00 >> >> The idea is to build an server with: WWW/Email/Firewall funcionalities, with >> better stablity as possible. >> > > You'll get a lot more performance out of the AMD X2. B Plus both i386 and AMD64 are still king in the commodity hardware market, and are a dime-a-dozen nowadays. B Literally everyone and their grandmothers own x86 based hardware. B The i386 platform has support for the most bits of hardware and replacement parts are stupidly easy to come by. > > -Christopher Ahrens- > -Co-founder > -LeviaComm Networks-
Looks like my 4.8 CD is in the mail!
I just got this in my inbox: "USPS OpenBSD Order:2010/9/10-13:4:42-15337--" Very exciting! -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase
libc glob issue?
I found this article that claims 4.7's ftpd and sftp are vulnerable to DoS: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Flaw-in-libc-implementation-threatens-FTP-servers-1103319.html Which links to: http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2010-008.txt.asc I haven't seen any talk of it, is this an issue for us?
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
I think the sentiment of the original email is that Francisco just wants to hear from people who are using OpenBSD in production. I'm in a similar position as a long time OpenBSD user, but having never put it under load. The cost for colocation has always been a barrier as a less expensive alternative always seems to exist. I run a few low traffic web sites, and am planning to make the switch from Linux VPS's to a pair of co-located OpenBSD machines within the next 6 months. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Vijay Sankar wrote: > Francisco Valladolid wrote: >> >> :D >> Always pathetic >> >> The subject say, advices: suggestions and recomendations. >> >> This list is for Advanced users or for misc topics ? >> >> There are a people that can reply honestly and funny. >> >> While I can read the mail archives and seach in internet, I need fresh >> ideas for new projects and heard the experience voice. >> >> Regards. >> >> 2010/9/16 Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda : >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Francisco Valladolid >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Folks >>>> >>>> I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years >>>> ago, from 2.8 release. >>>> >>>> But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have >>>> the need to mount mail services / web / dns. >>>> I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a >>>> production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use >>>> OpenBSD. >>>> Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. >>>> >>>> Greetings. >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. Viva Mexico. ! >>>> -- >>>> ficovh >>>> >>>> >>> You should start by trying to do your homework... >>> >>> Read the mail archives, and do specific questions. >> > > Hi, > > Since you have used OpenBSD for a long time, probably you know quite a bit > already. Are you looking for someone to tell you to just go ahead and use > OpenBSD for production purposes? It is hard for someone to take on that > responsibility and that may be why some of the responses sound harsh to you. > GWIW, I will give you my experience. > > I have used OpenBSD for production purposes since version 2.7 (may have been > earlier -- I just checked my OpenBSD CDs and the earliest I see is version > 2.7 :) and always use it at customer sites whenever it is > possible/practical. Occasionally, I do have to justify OpenBSD because > someone has read marketing information from various vendors or have read a > portion of a thread in one of the lists. But that has not been difficult due > to the following reasons. > > OpenBSD is a great platform for DNS, email, web, database, and other > application services. It can be a great firewall and VPN concentrator and > has very good documentation and real support from knowledgeable developers. > So I don't see any disadvantages in using it. > > As far as the mailing lists are concerned, you may find people here are far > more friendly if you ask a specific question that has not been addressed > before. The typical person on this mailing list has many things to do, is > probably managing complicated networks or is a serious developer, and you > may see them snap at you if your question has been asked and answered > earlier. After all they are human too and it is difficult to answer open > ended questions. > > I hope this helps you. > > Vijay > > -- > Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng. > ForeTell Technologies Limited > 59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6 > Phone: (204) 885-9535, E-Mail: vsan...@foretell.ca
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
Now I know what I'm getting my friends for Christmas. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) >>that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. > > Totally true. B The CD sales are my income. B Donations cannot be > my income. > > Donations fund > B B B B - the mini-hackathons (the big hackathon is handled > B B B B B by the OpenBSD Foundation) > B B B B - travel for less fortunate developers to hackathons > B B B B - some other small purchases > >>So the >>only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the >>disks. > > True. > > So please keep buying them or I'll have to get get a different job :)
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
Bryan, Thanks for that thought(I am still skeptical); it got me off my butt to order a CD set. Thanks everyone! Jeremy On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bryan Irvine wrote: > I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) > that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the > only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the > disks. > > -B > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:58:40 +0100 Keith wrote: > >> > >> Seeing that orders are being taken for the 4.8 release got me > >> thinking about purchasing a copy, I don't need a copy on CD so just a > >> download for my architecture would be fine. In the past I've sent a > >> small donated to the project and was wondering if there's way that I > >> could buy the right to download the OS before the official release. > >> > >> Personally I would happily pay the same as the full CD costs and > >> probably some more to just download the OS and the project would save > >> on the production of the CD and the postage. > >> > >> I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. > >> > >> Keith > >> > > > > Keith, > > > > It seems you're kind of missing the point. The developers *GIVE* the > > code away free to everyone. If you appreciate all the time, effort and > > expense the developers sink into giving away code for free, then the > > right answer is to try to give back to them in some way. Donations are > > always welcome. > > > > Some people work at companies where they use OpenBSD in their > > businesses. Since it's often impossible to get their companies to make a > > straight forward donation, instead they *BUY* a big stack of release > > CDs for their company. Of course, they don't actually need a big stack > > of CDs, but it was the only way the could get approval from the bosses. > > > > As for pre-ordering release CDs, yes, the discs are often (but not > > always) delivered before the official release date. Of course, until the > > actual release date when the CVS and package mirrors open up to public > > access, having the CDs early really doesn't give you much of a head > > start. > > > > Some people don't want stacks and stacks of CDs around, so instead of > > ordering release CDs, the order T-Shirts, posters or best of all, just > > make donations to give back to the project and developers who give them > > so much. > > > > Personally, I buy the release CDs just for the stickers. ;) > > > > Either way, release CD sales and donations really do help to fund > > continued development of OpenBSD. > > > > jcr > > > > > > -- > > The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.6 arriving
Todd, Not everyone has so many clients that they can work at any time to earn more money. You don't know Aaron's financial situation, and I think your assumptions incredibly insulting. $50 may be pocket change to you, but for someone struggling to find money for rent, it is a lot. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER http://weatherfinder.info/ On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Todd Alan Smith < tas-misc-open...@puesnada.us> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Aaron Mason > wrote: > > I will buy a CD set when my finances allow me to, you have my word. > > Dude, it's $50. You could've made that in the time it took you to > compose your email. > > I'm just sayin'.
pkg_add update problem
Is anyone else getting this? I updated to the latest snapshot and tried to update my packages. Snapshot: OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC) #85: Mon Jul 27 19:10:16 MDT 2009 I get this output for *many* packages I am trying to update: stdc++.48.0: partial match in /usr/lib: major=49, minor=0 (bad major) stdc++.48.0: partial match in /usr/lib: major=47, minor=0 (bad major) Can't install enchant-1.4.2p1: lib not found stdc++.48.0 -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER http://weatherfinder.info/
bsd.rd question regarding user space multithreaded program
With the MP kernel, if a process has multiple threads are they constrained to run on one core? Thanks Jeremy -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER 631.657.4210 http://weatherfinder.info/
Re: iwi annoyance when changing AP
David,
You are right. The way I laid out the example it would go back to
dlink. For the sake
of argument assume that I have also edited /etc/hostname.iwi0 "dhcp
nwid attwifi", as that doesn't seem to work either.
But, what you are saying to do is to use ifconfig to setup the network
connection
and then dhclient once you can get 'status: active' in ifconfig. The
problem I have is
that I can't reliably get ifconfig to get an active status. It does
work sometimes, but
for some reason it is not consistent.
Jeremy
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:20 PM, David Hill wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 03:06:25PM -0400, Jeremy Chase wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> My iwi interface works very well if I set it up with
>> /etc/hostname.iwi0, but if I change access points I can usually not
>> get onto a new network. For example, consider this scenario:
>>
>> At location 1 with open AP 'dlink' available:
>> # echo "dhcp nwid dlink" > /etc/hostname.iwi0
>> (reboot), and all is well.
>
> OK
>
>>
>> I move to a new location without rebooting, and I want to get onto a
>> new AP, for example 'attwifi', so I try:
>> # ifconfig nwid attwifi B B (However this will almost never result in
>> 'status active', sometimes it does work, randomly.)
>> # sh /etc/netstart iwi0 B (rarely works because it says no link)
>
> This will reset your nwid to 'dlink', which is what you have in
> /etc/hostname.iwi0
>
>>
>> I have tried to reset it to defaults with the man page example, but
>> this doesn't work either.. I'll try something like this:
>> ifconfig iwi0 -bssid -chan media autoselect nwid "" -nwkey -wpa -wpapsk
>> ifconfig iwi0 nwid attwifi
>> ifconfig iwi0 up
>> sh /etc/netstart iwi0
>> (However this usually does not work either)
>
> Again, this resets your nwid to 'dlink'.
>
> I think instead of sh /etc/netstart iwi0, you want /sbin/dhclient iwi0
>
>>
>> So I am often forced to reboot just to change AP's, and that is rather
>> annoying. Any thoughts? I am running -current but have had this issue
>> since 4.5-release
>>
>> The machine is an IBM T42p
>>
>> $ pkg_info | grep iwi
>> iwi-firmware-3.1 B B Firmware binary image for iwi driver
>>
>> OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC) #62: Wed Jul 15 17:27:21 MDT 2009
>> B B dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
>> cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class)
599 MHz
>> cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,F
XSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,SBF,EST,TM2
>> real mem B = 1072656384 (1022MB)
>> avail mem = 1028411392 (980MB)
>> mainbus0 at root
>> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 06/18/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @
>> 0xfd750, SMBIOS rev. 2.33 @ 0xe0010 (61 entries)
>> bios0: vendor IBM version "1RETDRWW (3.23 )" date 06/18/2007
>> bios0: IBM 2373KUU
>> apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
>> apm0: battery life expectancy 29%
>> apm0: AC off, battery charge high, estimated 0:24 hours
>> acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured
>> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd6e0/0x920
>> pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdea0/272 (15 entries)
>> pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 ("Intel 82371FB ISA" rev 0x00)
>> pcibios0: PCI bus #6 is the last bus
>> bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1 0xd/0x1000 0xd1000/0x1000
>> 0xdc000/0x4000! 0xe/0x1
>> cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor)
>> cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 599 MHz: speeds: 2000, 1800, 1600, 1400,
>> 1200, 1000, 800, 600 MHz
>> pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
>> io address conflict 0x5800/0x8
>> io address conflict 0x5808/0x4
>> io address conflict 0x5810/0x8
>> io address conflict 0x580c/0x4
>> pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82855PM Host" rev 0x03
>> intelagp0 at pchb0
>> agp0 at intelagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
>> ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Intel 82855PM AGP" rev 0x03
>> pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
>> vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "ATI Radeon Mobility M10" rev 0x80
>> wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
>> wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
>> radeondrm0 at vga1: irq 11
>> drm0 at radeondrm0
>> uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801DB USB" rev 0x01: irq 11
>> uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801DB USB" rev 0x01: irq 11
>> uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801DB USB" rev 0x01: ir
iwi annoyance when changing AP
" rev 0x01: irq 11 iic0 at ichiic0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB DDR SDRAM non-parity PC2700CL2.5 spdmem1 at iic0 addr 0x51: 512MB DDR SDRAM non-parity PC2700CL2.5 auich0 at pci0 dev 31 function 5 "Intel 82801DB AC97" rev 0x01: irq 11, ICH4 AC97 ac97: codec id 0x41445374 (Analog Devices AD1981B) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, No 3D Stereo audio0 at auich0 "Intel 82801DB Modem" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 31 function 6 not configured usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at ichpcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 biomask ef7d netmask ef7d ttymask mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support softraid0 at root root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER http://weatherfinder.info/
Snapshots built against 4.6 tag?
Are the snapshots currently being built using the OPENBSD_4_6 tag? Ultimately what I want to know is when the snapshots are no longer 4.6 and are what will be 4.7 -- Jeremy
Re: tpb startup
I managed to resolve this and want to save it for anyone else searching for the answer. I could not get tpb to work correctly from my .xsession file. I tried it several ways, and ended adding it to xfce4's autostart. check out xfce4-autostart-editor to do this. Thanks to everyone who gave me input into this problem. Jer -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER http://weatherfinder.info On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM, MERIGHI Marcus wrote: > I'm in digest mode so please forgive if an answer was already given... > (and that I had to fake the original message.) > > jeremych...@.com (Jeremy Chase), 2009.06.03 (Wed) 16:56 (CEST): >> tpb works just fine on my IBM t42p, but I am having difficulty getting >> it to start automatically. I am using xdm and xfce and have tried >> starting it from .xsession and rc.local. When putting it in rc.local, >> but tpb just exits if there is no X session it can attach to. >> >> If I try this with .xsession; tpb will run as a daemon, but the > > and as user root. > >> buttons don't work. >> $ cat .xsession >> /usr/local/bin/tpb -d --thinkpad=/usr/sbin/zzz >> exec startxfce4 > > I put this in my ~/.fvwmrc: > > > AddToFunc InitFunction > + "I" Exec exec tpb --daemon | logger -t tpb 2>&1 > > > > AddToFunc RestartFunction > + "I" Exec exec tpb --daemon | logger -t tpb 2>&1 > > > > AddToFunc ExitFunction > + "I" Exec exec pkill tpb > /dev/null 2>&1 > > > works for quite a while already, very seldomly tpb ignores the buttons, > but restarting it helps. > > I have no idea on how this is done in xfce4, sorry. > > Bye, > > Max
tpb startup
Hello, tpb works just fine on my IBM t42p, but I am having difficulty getting it to start automatically. I am using xdm and xfce and have tried starting it from .xsession and rc.local. When putting it in rc.local, but tpb just exits if there is no X session it can attach to. If I try this with .xsession; tpb will run as a daemon, but the buttons don't work. $ cat .xsession /usr/local/bin/tpb -d --thinkpad=/usr/sbin/zzz exec startxfce4 Thanks for your thoughts, Jeremy
