Kernel Panics with rtorrent
Greetings, I was having mutiple kernel panics while using rtorrent with over 60 active torrents and multiple files. Obviously I was not using root to run rtorrent. I would get multiple "re0: watchdog timeout" messages and suddenly the laptop would freeze and the kernel would spit the following msg: panic: pool_cache_item_magic_check: mcl9k cpu free list modified: item adr followed by the memory address... I solved the issue by deactivating most of the torrents (pausing them on rtorrent) I'm sharing this out of curiosity to see if anyone has faced a similar situation. DMESG below: OpenBSD 6.6 (GENERIC.MP) #372: Sat Oct 12 10:56:27 MDT 2019 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 2014621696 (1921MB) avail mem = 1940836352 (1850MB) mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xec070 (78 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "2.02.U" date 02/20/2014 bios0: Positivo Informatica SA H14CU01 acpi0 at bios0: ACPI 5.0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC FPDT MCFG MSDM SLIC HPET SSDT SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices P0P1(S4) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) USB7(S3) RP01(S4) PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) RP03(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1696.44 MHz, 06-3a-09 cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,MELTDOWN cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1.2, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1696.15 MHz, 06-3a-09 cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,MELTDOWN cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1696.15 MHz, 06-3a-09 cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,MELTDOWN cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 1, core 0, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 1696.15 MHz, 06-3a-09 cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,DEADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS,MD_CLEAR,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,MELTDOWN cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 1, core 1, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 acpimcfg0: addr 0xf800, bus 0-63 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP02) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP03) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 4 (RP04) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP05) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 5 (RP06) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 6 (RP07) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus 14 (RP08) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG3) acpiec0 at acpi0 ### AML PARSE ERROR (0x9656): Undefined name: CPST error evaluating: \\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.EC0_._REG acpiec _REG failed, broken BIOS acpiec at acpi0 not configured acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2(350@80 mwait.1@0x20), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2(350@80 mwait.1@0x20), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C2(350@80 mwait.1@0x20), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C2(350@80 mwait.1@0x20), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpipwrres0 at acpi0: FN00, resource for FAN0 acpipwrres1 at acpi0: FN01, resource for FAN1 acpipwrres2 at acpi0: FN02, resource for FAN2 acpipwrres3 at acpi0: FN03, resource for FAN3 acpipwrres4 at acpi0: FN04, resource for FAN4 acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 105 degC acpitz1
Re: Narcicism?
.. byebye misc@, too much spam ... Indeed.
Re: I want copy pf.conf from FreeBSD 8.2 to OpenBSD 5 and use it
Never thought I would see confucionism on misc@
Re: raw sockets
Thanks for all the answers so far. I forgot to mention that the connection will be done using a crossover ethernet cable, if that's relevant.
raw sockets
Hello everyone, I have to use raw sockets for a college assignment. I basically have to code a simplified FTP client of sorts to connect 2 machines. No IP nor TCP involved by definition. The specification for this assignment is similar to the Kermit protocol, if anyone is familiar with that. I wonder if any of you have some good material to point me at. Most tutorials are for Linux (and I will be the first ever in make this assignment in OpenBSD!) The man pages are awesome, but I was looking for some material that would point me at the right direction from a beginner's point of view. I've read the sockets, recv and send man pages, I would be glad to hear what other man pages are important for this project. Thanks in advance.
Re: USB mouse
Could you please stop spamming the list? It's really annoying.
Re: I can use snapshots packages in a release?
The troll has been planted.
Re: nfe0: watchdog timeout
After messing around with boot -c I was able to get it working by disabling acpi, apm and mpbios. Hope this helps someone, since I didn't find anything about this error on the OpenBSD archives... Nvidia HW is quite too much crappy. Did you try latest snapshot just to see if it's ok in current or not? If it's not then maybe some of the devs will want to see acpidump(8) tables (not here on misc@ directly probably ;-)) Actually just disabling mpbios works fine. I did not try to use the latest snapshots. PS - forgot to CC my original reply to misc@
nfe0: watchdog timeout
Hi, I installed the 4.9 release on my machine and I was having trouble with my network card. Every couple of seconds I would get the message nfe0: watchdog timeout. For all purposes I couldn't connect to the internet. I have a Nvidia RealTek ethernet card. More details in the dmesg... After messing around with boot -c I was able to get it working by disabling acpi, apm and mpbios. Hope this helps someone, since I didn't find anything about this error on the OpenBSD archives... Here is my ifconfig: lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 33200 priority: 0 groups: lo inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 nfe0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:1d:60:56:26:b4 priority: 0 groups: egress media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active inet6 fe80::21d:60ff:fe56:26b4%nfe0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 192.168.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 enc0: flags=0 priority: 0 groups: enc status: active pflog0: flags=141UP,RUNNING,PROMISC mtu 33200 priority: 0 groups: pflog And here is my dmesg after disabling acpi, apm and mpbios. If you guys want a dmesg with them enabed, just ask: (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb0 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 AMD AMD64 0Fh HyperTransport rev 0x00 pchb1 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 AMD AMD64 0Fh Address Map rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 AMD AMD64 0Fh DRAM Cfg rev 0x00 kate0 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 AMD AMD64 0Fh Misc Cfg rev 0x00: core rev BH-G1 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 it0 at isa0 port 0x2e/2: IT8712F rev 8, EC port 0x290 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 NVIDIA OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support vscsi0 at root scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b nfe0: watchdog timeout nfe0: watchdog timeout syncing disks... OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC) #671: Wed Mar 2 07:09:00 MST 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ (AuthenticAMD 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 2.11 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,CX16 real mem = 938831872 (895MB) avail mem = 913342464 (871MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 08/20/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf06f0 (49 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 0403 date 08/20/2007 bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M2N-MX SE acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP MCFG OEMB HPET SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PS2K(S4) PS2M(S4) UAR1(S4) USB0(S4) USB2(S3) P0P1(S4) HDAC(S4) P0P2(S4) BR11(S4) NMAC(S4) NSMB(S4) PWRB(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 2500 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (P0P2) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (BR11) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (BR12) acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS aibs0 at acpi0: RTMP RVLT RFAN GGRP GITM SITM acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB mpbios0 at bios0: Intel MP Specification 1.4 cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz cpu at mainbus0: not configured mpbios0: bus 0 is type PCI mpbios0: bus 1 is type PCI mpbios0: bus 2 is type PCI mpbios0: bus 3 is type PCI mpbios0: bus 4 is type PCI mpbios0: bus 5 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf000 cpu0: PowerNow! K8 2110 MHz: speeds: 2100 2000 1800 1000 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) NVIDIA MCP61 Memory rev 0xa1 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 not configured pcib0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 ISA rev 0xa2 nviic0 at pci0 dev 1 function 1 NVIDIA MCP61 SMBus rev 0xa2 iic0 at nviic0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 1GB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 iic1 at nviic0 NVIDIA MCP61 Memory rev 0xa2 at pci0 dev 1 function 2 not configured ohci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 NVIDIA MCP61 USB rev 0xa2: apic 2 int 11 (irq 11), version 1.0, legacy support ehci0 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 NVIDIA MPC61 USB rev 0xa2: apic 2 int 10 (irq 10) usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NVIDIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 ppb0 at pci0 dev 4
Re: is SHA256 file used or not ?
So the process I thought about it's not true. Better to remove the SHA256 then, what purpose can it serve if it is not syncronised? I still don't figure out why this checksum missmatch is ( on the same server, not among servers). The troll haas been planted.
Re: nat static-port option
No, that's India (people). Or Russia (size). No, that's _CHINA_ (people). Or Russia (size). :P
Re: nat static-port option
There would be more ip adresses if some greedy companies didn't take a lot of addresses for themselves...
Re: test for installed status of package, ports questions
$ pkg_info | grep ^banana- /dev/null Could also be $ pkg_info | grep -q ^banana-
Re: UTF-8
I know lots of flamewars, Emacs vs vi, GPL vs BSD, Pine vs Mutt, etc. But ASCII vs Unicode is new to me.
Re: OpenBSD users.
Brazil!
Re: OpenBSD as a laptop OS
And you're lucky if you don't need Unicode. For me that's a big show-stopper on a desktop machine. Once OpenBSD gets UTF-8, there won't be just any reason for me not to use it on a laptop. All my hardware (Thinkpad X200s) is supported, all the apps I need are there. It's just that I don't want to think about the encoding of the files I get on USB sticks, etc. There should be some UTF-love coming to 4.8, I believe. By the way, my friend and I were thinking about implementing Unicode in OpenBSD's userland, as part of a plan to learn encoding and C since we are Computer Science/Engineering students. Is there any work going on on this? We are thinking about doing this next month, since we will be on vacation... Since we are noobs, I can't guarantee we will actually do it, but at least _I_ will try. We never developed a serious project, and I don't know how difficult this will be. Any advice? By the way, is it required for us to use current to do this?
Re: Phoronix Test Suite
facinating number of posts like this recently, all from gmail users we've never seen before... Yes, it's troll year.
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connecti on/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490 Companies who release IT products with security vulnerabilities should be open to claims for compensation by consumers, apparently. Illegal to run without antivirus ... disconnection of vulnerable computers. A much needed kick up the arse for software makers or just bat-shit insane? Coming soon... australian laws = censorship Imagine if those crazy anti-freedom lawmakers force OpenBSD users to install antiviruses...
Re: OpenBSD as a laptop OS
Hello All, I am thinking about changing my OS to OpenBSD on my laptop, which is standard x86. It would be used as internet browser, mail client, multimedia, pciture video , etc ... There is software for multimedia manipulation that run on OpenBSD. See if they are good for you. My question is simple, is OpenBSD convenient enough for a daily usage ? What are the experiences about that ? I use OpenBSD exclusively as an desktop and I can do everything I want.
Re: OpenBSD as a laptop OS
The only thing I've pretty much given up on is flash. No big loss since removing the flashplayer plugin means firefox will crash slightly less often and you're spared a lot of the less useful ads. Well, one can still try Gnash or Swfdec. If one just wants to see videos on Youtube, one can still use sites such as tinyogg and pwnyoutube to download the video and forget about flash. That's my method.
Re: Why I left OpenBSD
Theo de Raadt compares proprietary graphic drivers with apartheid This made my day.
Re: ABOUT PEOPLE WITH WHOM MATRIMONY IS PROHIBITED
And the relevance of this to the OpenBSD community is? Ever heard of that thing called spam ?
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Looks like you love Atom, I don't see why.
Re: Why I left OpenBSD
He is just trolling... Just look at his postings...
Re: Free PF ruleset 4.7
If i chose web hosting using iis, it is not your problem but mine. So keep your small criticisms for you. Without rancor ! ;-) Your discussion has NOTHING TO DO with OpenBSD. Nobody cares what you use, if it is not OpenBSD :)
Re: It is 2010. Still no 3GB support by default?
My first programming primer (Fortran ... them days) had a very concise delineation of the difference between neat programming and the much more common alternative -- given a big enough engine, even brick will fly. I never cared for the american muscle cars but was always fascinated with the slick european sports cars. I guess that is the same attraction I have for OpenBSD. I also find that the currently popular obsession with CPU cores, GHz and GBs is nothing more than the computer version of the muscle car. (yes, I am aware that there are specialized applications that do require the use of a monster-sized dump truck with an engine to match, but in reality how many places have a genuine need of a database that even with fully optimized design requires that much physical RAM?) Most people that have those big amounts of memory don't use their PCs full potential. CPU is mostly idle, etc. Also they don't realize how big those amounts of memory are... Also there is the environment problem, too many good computers throwned away because of mere fashion... I'm pretty happy with my new Thinkpad X22 with 256mb RAM running OpenBSD 4.6 :)
Re: Are you a ***Canadian*** Linux user? You're about to become a criminal.
Hi, Is this applicable to OpenBSD also? ( I guess yes ) http://www.reddit.com/comments/cb3n0/are_you_a_canadian_linux_user_youre_about_to/ Canadian DMCA, eh?
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird for someone to ask his real mail address here...
Re: Help contacting Richard Stallman
I thought that RMS is GNU guy and this is BSD mailing list so maybe you mistyped address? Anyway what's the status of reading and searching ability on universities in Mexico as email of RMS is on his own page http://stallman.org/ ? ;-) At first I tought it was spam. It's quite weird for someone to ask his real mail address here... Anyway, as he said above, you can find his real mail on stallman.org, and don't bother contacting the FSF first, just send mail to him directly. But I still think it's weird to ask his email here...
Re: BSDStats: Status Report
That Panama issue is funny. Your poll will have zero influence on hardware manufacturers to increase support of any particular BSD. You know what will? Your money. If a manufacturer or wholesaler wants to ignore your favorite OS, you: 1) Ask them to support your OS. 2) Spend your money on a manufacturer or vendor that supports your OS. 3) Remind the original vendor that they lost your money, WHY they lost your money, and where it went. May I add: 2) Spend your money on a manufacturer or vendor that supports your OS. And tell them why you are buying from them and not from the other one :)
Re: A codec with a BSD Licence
Considering theora's 0% adoption rate, Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons used to be a 100% Theora shop when it came to video, but I'm no longer up to date, and things might have changed. It still is. Some other sites adopted theora too, Dailymotion, for instance.
Re: OpenBSD 4.7 Released, May 19 2010
Congratulations! Keep up the excellent work, guys.
Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about software engineering in my university. Unified Modeling Language... I think it's just part of all that Java non-sense.
Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?
Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between user programs and system programs. The overwhelming majority of user-land programs are done in OOP languages. That Java nonsense just happens to be the most popular programming language. Yes and the vast majority of people is using Windows. Windows is betther than BSD. Bach is crap. Nobody listen to that. 50 Cent is much better.
Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?
The computer industry is driven by fashion instead of quality...
Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?
But here are the facts smart man: Java is so common that it is known to as _the_ application language of our time - it is ubiquitous. LMAO Why don't YOU provide an example of some USEFUL program in Java? toward it changes that not one bit. And a fair portion of this new Java is documented with UML. I had the unpleasant experience of workin with Java. Worst. Documentation. Ever. It is useless to talk of projects that don't work in the real world, since 65% of ALL IT projects don't fulfill business expectations. Can someone translate that?
Re: low httpd performance. Apache 2.2 as default? never? *sighs
OpenBSD does more when running each process for security reasons and so is arguably slower than Linux, but also does less by default and so is faster than most distros. It's still blisteringly fast, especially where it counts and if I had to choose one OS to use it would be OpenBSD. I informally compared Slackware with OpenBSD. Slackware boots faster, but OpenBSD uses only 6mb of memory, while Slackware consumes something around 50mb. (Right after the boot, without X, default setup)
Re: low httpd performance. Apache 2.2 as default? never? *sighs
OpenBSD's stock httpd is very slow and outdated. It is about 6 years old. Almost an abandonware. I will print this mail and laugh everyday with it. :)
Re: is the Lemote Yeeloong available in the US?
In case anyone is still interested, a US based reseller of the 10in Lemote Yeeloong has popped up in Boston, MA. I just placed my order and hope to have it this weekend. It looks like Freedom Included does group buys direct from Lemote then resells them preloaded with gnewsense (a fsf approved linux distro). Anyways just wanted to put that out there for those interested. You can buy them online at http://freedomincluded.com. I can't wait to get OpenBSD on this machine and hopefully will be able to help test diff's if needed. Now those are good news. Last time I checked (I was looking to buy one but ended up buying a Thinkpad X22 instead - Yes, my new laptop is an X22. :) the only reseller was from Netherlands. I hope there will be some reseller here in Brazil soon. How is this port going? There is good documentation for this laptop? Time to put and end on this x86 monopoly: 5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5. - Andrew S. Tanenbaum Yes. And hopefully playing duke nuken forever :)
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Eh? Was it irony? I suppose that not and you need to learn A LOT about who is Marco ;-) Search for Strange concept on marc.info.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Then apply some logical thinking yourself, and quit drinking Stallman's kool-aid. Funny. How many restrictions are in the BSD and ISC licenses? For all intents and purposes, one: keep the copyright message intact. Otherwise, *free* to do with as you please. That's a fact. Otherwise. Now go look at the GPL, any version, and list the restrictions. You can't do this, you can't do that, unless you do this, unless you do that. There's a clue in having many versions over the years: refinements of the restrictions. That's a fact. Actually the new license is compatible with more licenses. But, yes, more restrictions. Here's a short overview: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html If you don't believe the GPL has more restrictions, ask a lawyer and see for yourself. The lawyer will give you some facts. GPL has more legal restrictions. That's a fact. I never said otherwise. I'm familiar with policy.html, and all those licenses. BSD, ISC and all versions of the GPL. Maybe the GPL is best for *your* needs, but don't blather on about it being 'free'. You sound like an idiot. If you define freedom by the number of restrictions, then the only free license would be no license at all. Public domain. No copyright. Thus no restrictions. No ALL CAPs notices. Not even crediting the original developers. I'm not questioning the ISC and BSD licenses. I consider them free, like the GPL. And even the vim license is free, in my opinion. I prefer the ISC or BSD over GPL for drivers, so that every project can use it. When you try to force your views on others with no argumentation you may sound like one. I respect your views on GPL, but I disagree with them. And I don't feel the need to call you names. WTF are you talking about? I don't recall seeing your name on any OpenBSD commits. I know about marco@, but not *you*. Where are your commits? STFU already. That's because I don't yell GPL is not free while I'm using GPL. I was just recalling his post on another topic. The fact that I'm not a developer does not means I should remain in silence. Marco and the other person should take a look at this From mail.html: Respect differences in opinion and philosophy Intelligent people may look at the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions. Repeating the same points that didn't convince someone previously rarely changes their mind and irritates all the other readers. Before fixing people's views. This is getting more and more off-topic, and I'm predicting that yet OpenBSD-misc another flamewar lies ahead. No physical harm will occur, but lots of time will be wasted. No one will benefit from that.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
That's because I don't yell GPL is not free while I'm using GPL. what's wrong with that? if I use Windows and yell Windows is not free, would you think the same? If you were insulting a Windows user, probably. I'm curious, what freedom do you think the GPL brings to those people who use a computer two hours a week? For them? Maybe the freedom to give copies to their friends whithout being sued or doing anything illegal.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Lets try it. 0 X (Y + Z) Y 0 Z 0 ISC = X GPL = X + Y + Z Logical enough for you? If you assume that the definition of freedom is the number of restrictions, then neither ISC nor GPL are free. The only free license would be no license at all. Public domain. Since _my_ definition of freedom for software is different, I reach different conclusions. If a package does no restrict the way I use it, does permit me to study it and modify it, distribute copies either modified or verbatim, gratis or for a fee, then I consider it free, and I will use it. For me, having to give the source, IF, AND ONLY IF, I distribute the software, is fair. I would do it anyway. I don't think it's wrong for a copyright holder to ask that.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
For them? Maybe the freedom to give copies to their friends whithout being sued or doing anything illegal. That can easily be applied to any of the free licenses without any other legal obligations. Yes! Because they are all free (in _my_ opinion). I like GPL, ISC, BSD, all of them.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
The dictionary definition of freedom is no restrictions NO RESTRICTIONS May I point out to you that ISC has restrictions. You are contradicting yourself. Logic works the same for everyone, since it's an abstract field, but apparently you did not study it.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Now this is interesting... Does anything supersede Copyright Law? What if I release my work as Anonymous with no text in regards to licensing? Does anyone wanting to use that work in OpenBSD actually have to track down who Anonymous was? Does the code become useless if its ownership cannot be transferred? In other words.. is there no such thing as genuine public domain? I don't know for certain, but I believe that in the United States a work whithout copyright notices goes to the public domain after 25 years.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
You do not seem to understand how copyright works. When published, a work is subject to a set of restrictions, laid down by copyright law. A license grants rights (under conditions or restrictions) to the receiver of a work. No license means no extra rights, which means the default defined by copyright law applies. If you want to publish a work as public domain, you must include a license saying so. Yes, I know. Granting a work into the public domain is not a license. And public domain varies between different countries. I believe there is no public domain in Japan.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
I think the best example is Free as in Beer. Which already misses the point. I can brew beer all day. I can keep it to myself. I can also share it. If I share a beer with you, it is free. (I am giving it to you) If you sell it to me it's also free. You are missing the point. If I share a beer with you under the BSDL, then I expect you to tell people I gave you that beer should they taste it and enjoy it as well. (I want you to tell them whether they enjoyed it or not.) If, however, I share a beer with you under the GPL then you are required to follow an entire listing on proper procedure and protocol for sharing that beer. In fact, unless you are ready to make the ingredients available to everyone else, you better not experiment with my beer. Making an analogy with concrete examples is not useful because they are different from information. You could make an analogy with recipes: If the recipe is under the GPL, if you give someone an obfuscated recipe you would have to give the real recipe. But it's not very useful either.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_copyright_law#Duration_of_copyright From http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm 1923 through 1977 Published without a copyright notice None. In the public domain due to failure to comply with required formalities That's what I meant.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
The ISC has one restriction and I never claimed otherwise. The GPL has MORE restrictions. I am not contradicting myself. You just want to change the dictionary to match your little reality. You are contradicting yourself. On your terms: Axioms: 1 Freedom means no restrictions 2 ISC has one restriction Conclusion: From 1 and 2: ISC is not free. Saying that ISC is more free than GPL makes no sense because, on your terms, neither is free. It would make quantitative sense if both were free. What you are saying is: Freedom means no restrictions, ISC has one restrictions therefore ISC free That is called contradiction. It is abstract. Again you want to change reality to match your little world view. Religious fanatics do the same. I'm reasoning. I'm not bombing your house. Also, being in the dictionary doesn't mean it's THE TRUTH. The dictionary definition of Vacuum is quite different from the definition you find in quantum physics. That does not mean that Quantum Physics is wrong.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Saying that ISC is more free than GPL makes no sense Saying Do not remove our text does not restrict your freedom. That's all the ISC asks of you. Leave the copyright notice and the permission to use alone. Please do not take my mesages out of context. Removing sentences, and twisting what I said can be very convenient to put me in the wrong whithout factual evidence. For the last time: I consider ISC free and I like it.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Flame war ahead! As a long time Linux user I will soon try out OpenBSD, I have been reading the list emails and contacted 1 OpenBSD top person who was very rude. OMG you sent mail to Theo de Radt asking for help? There is some of the RTFM or get lost attitude in Linux, but if a questioner seems sincere there is usually a certain level of friendliness in Linux community towards them. Linux is a kernel. That attitude will vary between lists for specific packages. It varies with different people too. If you ask things about Linux on, say, the Bash list, you will probably get an similar response. The difference is that OpenBSD is for advanced users. Some (not all) GNU/Linux distros are intended for people that asks things such as How do I grab a package?. Nothing wrong about either, just different audiences. Just what I have briefly observed the OpenBSD community is more abrupt and less interested in helping newbies, they prefer one find the answer solely on their own if possible. Yes. I must say I detect a certain attitude that smacks of superiority and even condescension at times. Is this a fair assessment of the OpenBSD culture? You will find this almost everywhere. One particular issue of some OpenBSD users is that they feel cool because they use OpenBSD over GNU/Linux. Like: Hey you use Linux? I use OpenBSD, I'm more nerdy than you are, your loser. Something like that. I'm much more inclined to the GNU/Linux philosophy of Freedom, but I do like OpenBSD technically, and I use it because I want to learn how to write good operating system code. And also, OpenBSD is the only non GNU/Linux, free, operating system that has the features I want and is not full of non-free drivers and stuff like that. You shouldn't decide what OS you will use based on your opinion on the developers. I don't like Linus Torvalds, not one bit. But I do use his kernel. I'm don't particularly love Theo, but I do use his OS.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
The difference is that OpenBSD is for advanced users. depends how you define advanced. Yes. Imagine someone who use computers, like 2 hours a week and use Windows. If you give him a computer with one of those GNU/Linux distros aimed at ease of use he will probably get along easily - until he receives a file in a proprietary format or need to use some wireless card. If you give OpenBSD to this person, he probably won't use it at all. when people say OpenBSD is for developers, that does't mean you have to be as knowledgable as a kernel hacker to use OpenBSD effectively. it means you'll get the most out of OpenBSD when you approach it like a developer. developers *enjoy* figuring things out on their own. of course, people who enjoy learning about a subject do eventually become advanced at that subject, but that comes with time. Yes, I'm not a kernel hacker, not even a developer. But I'm familiar with *nix commands, reading man pages, etc. Unlike most computer users.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Actually two of the top linux kernel developers answered my email directly to them when I had some questions. There was no ridicule or belittling. lol! I WANT to see that! Really.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
I'm much more inclined to the GNU/Linux philosophy of Limitation Fixed that for you. Greg This kind of childish attitude is what I meant when I said: You will find this almost everywhere. One particular issue of some OpenBSD users is that they feel cool because they use OpenBSD over GNU/Linux. Like: Hey you use Linux? I use OpenBSD, I'm more nerdy than you are, your loser. Something like that. He thinks he can change other people minds by posting his fix. It's funny.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
My fix has nothing to do with childish attitude or being more nerdy than you. It has everything do with GNU's twisted definition of freedom. Yet, that's YOUR view on the subject. My views are quite different. You probably hate the GPL. I like it. So let's stop arguing because this is already off-topic. You won't be able to change my views, and I won't even try to change yours.
Re: OpenBSD culture?
Fascinating. I predicted Peereboom would post the same old rant. My fix has nothing to do with childish attitude or being more nerdy than you. It has everything do with GNU's twisted definition of freedom. Yet, that's YOUR view on the subject. My views are quite different. His view is right and your's is incorrect. You can not dictate the truth. You probably hate the GPL. I like it. Because you hate freedom and are self proclaimed hippie. I do not dictate my views to others. Your typical insults and testosterone bursts aren't effective where logical thinking is present. So let's stop arguing because this is already off-topic. You won't be able to change my views, and I won't even try to change yours. Why not? You are wrong, and worse not admitting it. Yelling that I'm wrong and testosterone bursts won't make me wrong. Maybe logical arguments would change my mind, but that requires intelligence, not superficial whining. The GPL is a promise of good communism. Wake me up when it starts working. Yet you use GCC. Marco, instead of complaining about GNU, GPL, FSF, Linux, etc. Why don't you write some code instead? I know it's a strange concept.
Re: is skype using encryption?
Check the source. Oh wait lol
Re: the characters 5~ apears on xterm after switching to X
This is not really important but one machine prints that (5~) on the actual xterm or aterm o whatever active window after switching from any 'non-mouse' terminal to X with the Ctrl-Alt-F5 key combination. The machine works fine and I've never seen this behaviour, just wondering if it's have something to do with the hardware (and old PS/2 keyboard). You're lucky, mine prints lots ofs 3P3P3P3P3P3P3P3P3P3P3P3P... Do you use fvwm?
Re: the characters 5~ apears on xterm after switching to X
I don't have this problem in Fluxbox under GNU/Linux. Haven't tested Fluxbox on OpenBSD yet, though.
Re: ZFS in OpenBSD
Isn't ZFS license copyleft? I mean, if one includes zfs in the kernel the whole kernel would have to be CDDL? (Like the GPL)
Re: ZFS in OpenBSD
Isn't ZFS license copyleft? I mean, if one includes zfs in the kernel the whole kernel would have to be CDDL? (Like the GPL) No. No. Actually, I think that should be Yes. No. But whatever, the answer to the only question that matters is still No. Oh like the LGPL, ok. thanks.
Re: kde4 dead?
Java, on the other hand, from my limited experience trying to tutor someone in it, *is* crap :) [Well, that's probably too harsh, but it did give me a headache and RSI from all the damn typing.] People claim Java is portable, when it's not. And a lot of java programs use proprietary libraries like swing.
Re: OT: vmware mind control (WAS: Re: Dell PE850 CERC SATA controller)
I'm running/I've runned OpenBSD, NetBSD, OpenWall GNU/Linux and Slackware 9.0/12.0/13.0 on qemu. I'm no expert, but it seems to work ok. Give it a try, it compiles fast. I didn't use any modules on qemu - actually, I didn't even know such modules exist. Go ahead and try the main package. I'm running Slacware 13.0 on my pc, using qemu to learn OpenBSD.
Re: selling bsd in cd for profit??
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 05:00:50PM +1100, Rod Whitworth wrote: As for being able to do it with GPL CDs - Try doing it with HedRat, particularly any of the RHEL lines. You'll find out quickly that the licence doesn't get you anywhere when HatRed's lawyers are on your case. That's why Centos is carefully re-engineered. Nothing to do with the GPL. You can't sell Verbatim copies of the RHEL cds due to trademarks (not copyright) in logos and the name. CentOS is just RHEL without those logos and the name Red Hat. Unrelated with this but relevant to the creator of the topic, you can't sell the official OpenBSD cds due to the artwork being copyrighted by Theo (I think). But you can download the cd on the internet (that cd does not contain artwork) and sell copies of it. Same thing with RedHat, you can take all the GPLed software (and BSDed) software there, put in a cd and sell copies of it, if you don't use the name RedHat or one of their logos. The difference resides between the legal mechanisms used: OpenBSD uses copyright on its artwork and RedHat uses trademarks on its logos. -- Victor Cortiano victorcorti...@gmail.com victortc.awardspace.info -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
Re: selling bsd in cd for profit??
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 09:37:38PM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: I don't. A lot of people are genuinely confused curious about this BSD thing, the operating system and license. The number of times I've explained (or tried to) the BSD license vs. GPL numbers in the dozens now. You could sell it for profit too if OpenBSD were GPLed, or any other free software license. -- Victor Cortiano victorcorti...@gmail.com victortc.awardspace.info -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
