Re: Assistance OpenBSD
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:41:06 -0500 Dan Colish dcol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little shocked at how much time everyone is giving this; RTFM, that's what it's there for. That's what pretty much everyone else gets until they post something useful. Ya but this is s far down the stack that it caught our interest... Dhu
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell campb...@neotext.ca wrote: Just as a matter of (timingsizing) interest, how much experience with other OS do you have? I'm trying to understand what attractions and difficulties newer users might have with OBSD, I would use OpenBSD for running Java applications especially for following financial markets on a laptop in a public location. and cannot really use my own experience as a realistic gage (I've used things like Minix since the 80's and my first experience with OBSD was shortly after it's initial release). Dhu On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:29:10 -0800 Marc Runkel mrun...@untangle.com wrote: Based on this email, I'd recommend you spend some of the money you've made in the market and hire some computer expertise in your neighborhood. The fact that you're getting stuck at adding packages and run executable files is a big red flag for me. It shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars to have someone install Linux or *BSD for you to your specifications. Based on your email, no amount of remote handholding is going to get you to a working system that you'll be happy with. As a point of reference, I went from 0 experience in OpenBSD to having a fully configured system in 4 hours. Just by reading the installation guide. Let us know what area you're in and I'm sure someone can recommend someone. M. On 2/21/09 12:17 PM, Chris Cooper linux...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you.
Assistance OpenBSD
Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you.
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Cooper linu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you. FYI -- I'm no dev, but they're definitely going to ask for a dmesg (pasted to the body of the email, not attached). Even with my limited expertise, I would need more info. Also, expect a fair amount of pointing to man pages and oBSD FAQ. -- www.nealhogan.net
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
On 21 February 2009 c. 23:17:48 Chris Cooper wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Please share as much info about what you did and what you tried but failed to did with your system, starting from installation process. Please list all errors you encounter and when. But at first, please, look in the FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/ -- Best wishes, Vadim Zhukov
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
Chris Cooper wrote: I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. snip I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. You want to browser the web; but you are not connected to the internet? This could be a big problem! You say you have the skills to mount cdrom and navigate to 4.4/packages/i386/ While in this directory; you can use sudo pkg_add ... to install a package; if it doesn't work, providing us the error message will help. Your user account will need to be in group wheel for sudo to work. Frank
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
Based on this email, I'd recommend you spend some of the money you've made in the market and hire some computer expertise in your neighborhood. The fact that you're getting stuck at adding packages and run executable files is a big red flag for me. It shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars to have someone install Linux or *BSD for you to your specifications. Based on your email, no amount of remote handholding is going to get you to a working system that you'll be happy with. As a point of reference, I went from 0 experience in OpenBSD to having a fully configured system in 4 hours. Just by reading the installation guide. Let us know what area you're in and I'm sure someone can recommend someone. M. On 2/21/09 12:17 PM, Chris Cooper linux...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you.
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:17:48 -0800 (PST) Chris Cooper linux...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you. What you *really* need is reading the OpenBSD FAQ, specially the Ports and Packages one (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#PkgMgmt). In short : * you *need* an Internet access to install third party software (like web browser, text processing tools, and so on); * you have to setup a network interface in order to download the packages (see http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Setup for more information, but all you actually have to do is setup a /etc/hostname.if file, if this has not already been done in the intitial installation process); * you must setup the packaging tools, that is set the PKG_PATH environment variable (see http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Easy for more details); * then you can install third party software with the pkg_add command (pkg_add -i mozilla-firefox, for example). Oh and you should install OpenBSD 4.4, which is obviously newer than 4.3. The base system and the third party software packages are more recent, meaning that you will have more recent versions of software you like. OpenBSD 4.5 is to be released on May, if you want to know :). Regards, -- Maxime DERCHE GnuPG public key ID : 0x9A85C4C0 (fingerprint : 0FDC 16AF 5A5B 1908 786C 2B85 2D3C C83E 9A85 C4C0) http://www.mouet-mouet.net/maxime/blog/index.php
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
Hi! On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:32:22PM +0100, Maxime DERCHE wrote: [...] In short : * you *need* an Internet access to install third party software (like web browser, text processing tools, and so on); There are *some* packages delivered on the install CD. Or you can download packages on one machine and install them on another one (BTDT). * you have to setup a network interface in order to download the packages (see http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Setup for more information, but all you actually have to do is setup a /etc/hostname.if file, if this has not already been done in the intitial installation process); * you must setup the packaging tools, that is set the PKG_PATH environment variable (see http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Easy for more details); * then you can install third party software with the pkg_add command (pkg_add -i mozilla-firefox, for example). Or you pkg_add full_url_of_package. Of course, it's often more convenient with PKG_PATH. [...] Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
Just as a matter of (timingsizing) interest, how much experience with other OS do you have? I'm trying to understand what attractions and difficulties newer users might have with OBSD, and cannot really use my own experience as a realistic gage (I've used things like Minix since the 80's and my first experience with OBSD was shortly after it's initial release). Dhu On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:29:10 -0800 Marc Runkel mrun...@untangle.com wrote: Based on this email, I'd recommend you spend some of the money you've made in the market and hire some computer expertise in your neighborhood. The fact that you're getting stuck at adding packages and run executable files is a big red flag for me. It shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars to have someone install Linux or *BSD for you to your specifications. Based on your email, no amount of remote handholding is going to get you to a working system that you'll be happy with. As a point of reference, I went from 0 experience in OpenBSD to having a fully configured system in 4 hours. Just by reading the installation guide. Let us know what area you're in and I'm sure someone can recommend someone. M. On 2/21/09 12:17 PM, Chris Cooper linux...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I hope someone out there has plenty of patience and understanding. I have been playing with open source for a number of years without much success. The closest I have come to success is with Suse 10.2, but it is very unstable. I have mouse freezes, icon disappearances, and at times the screen goes negative on me-white becomes black etc. I have downloaded PCBSD and DesktopBSD to where I had the desktop, but neither would connect to the internet. And I could delete less from these OS than I could from Windows. The smaller and much more secure OpenBSD seemed to fit the bill. However, I need help. Nothing I do seems to work. I have five books on FreeBSD and Absolute OpenBSD by Lucas. I can do simple stuff like pwd, cd, ls, mnt CD, etc., but I cannot pkg_add from the 4.3 CD or run executable files. What I would like to do is add a browser and get on the web. My computer needs are small; 95% of my time is following the markets. I do not have three degrees in computer science, in fact I only have one degree and it is in economics. I do well in the market, but BSD really has me confused. I know the OpenBSD community does not like to deal with simpletons like myself, but I would appreciate enough help to get me started. I have OpenBSD on my spare HP Pavilion N5250 notebook with an Intel pentium CPU but it is not connected to the internet. Thank you.
Re: Assistance OpenBSD
I'm a little shocked at how much time everyone is giving this; RTFM, that's what it's there for. That's what pretty much everyone else gets until they post something useful.
