Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
On Tuesday 14 October 2008, Kurt Miller wrote: Quite frankly I'm pretty upset at all the 'Java sucks' banter on misc. If you and the other naysayers don't realize that porting Java to OpenBSD was a 'Good-Thing' then you are just UNINFORMED! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum :-) Thanks for all your hard work! -- JCR
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
Hi, Whilst I fully acknowledge the stigmatism that goes with java, I'm very grateful to Kurt et. al. for making it run under OpenBSD. It has saved me from having to admin extra linux/solaris boxes many times, when customers insist on java. I'm also looking forward to merely pkg_add'ing it instead of the playing hunt the patch after license clicking that was previously necessary. Nice work ! Appreciated. /Pete On 15 Oct 2008, at 02:06, Kurt Miller wrote: On Tuesday 14 October 2008 11:13:41 am new_guy wrote: Ben Adams-3 wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project Java is nasty. There... I said it and it is true. The goopy OOP of Java will tarnish anything it touches. Personally, I hope Java (in all of its virtual glory) never makes it into OpenBSD at all. Real men will cry man tears when OpenBSD ships with Java. Uninformed. We've had Java for years and now we have packages: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/jdk-1.7.0.00b24p2.tgz 4.4 will have packages also. Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. Porting Java to OpenBSD enabled the LOCKSS project to use it for its noble goals. It uncovered deadlocks in our pthread lib that resulted in large improvements to libpthread. Its use of dlopen() and friends resulted in significant improvements in our runtime linker. Oh and who made those improvements??? The same person who took the time to port Java to OpenBSD!! Me and other OpenBSD developers who saw the need to improve things. BTW, all those system level improvements have made significant stability gains for applications like firefox, KDE, OpenOffice, Asterisk, etc, etc which all use threads and dlopen() alot. Quite frankly I'm pretty upset at all the 'Java sucks' banter on misc. If you and the other naysayers don't realize that porting Java to OpenBSD was a 'Good-Thing' then you are just UNINFORMED! -Kurt
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. And it allows me to continue to use OpenBSD. Without it I would have had to bail to Linux on a lot of my servers. Thank you. Kyle Drake Net Brew Design http://www.netbrewdesign.com
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 2:21:23 pm Benjamin Adams wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Eventually it will make things easier for BSD Java porting. -Kurt
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, new_guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Adams-3 wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project Java is nasty. There... I said it and it is true. The goopy OOP of Java will tarnish anything it touches. Personally, I hope Java (in all of its virtual glory) never makes it into OpenBSD at all. Real men will cry man tears when OpenBSD ships with Java. Amen!
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
C'mon now. It's not that bad. How else are you going to employ 120 developers and project managers to build a shopping cart app? And buying 40 multi-core 8 gig app servers every now and then really helps those struggling hardware makers. In short, Java helps the economy. Since all things not helping the economy are now evil...you don't want OpenBSD to be evil do you? Ok...woefully off topic. Back under my rock. -Mike On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, new_guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Adams-3 wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project Java is nasty. There... I said it and it is true. The goopy OOP of Java will tarnish anything it touches. Personally, I hope Java (in all of its virtual glory) never makes it into OpenBSD at all. Real men will cry man tears when OpenBSD ships with Java. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/BSD-Port-from-OpenJDK-tp19884864p19975609.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
Ben Adams-3 wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project Java is nasty. There... I said it and it is true. The goopy OOP of Java will tarnish anything it touches. Personally, I hope Java (in all of its virtual glory) never makes it into OpenBSD at all. Real men will cry man tears when OpenBSD ships with Java. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/BSD-Port-from-OpenJDK-tp19884864p19975609.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
On Tuesday 14 October 2008 11:13:41 am new_guy wrote: Ben Adams-3 wrote: Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project Java is nasty. There... I said it and it is true. The goopy OOP of Java will tarnish anything it touches. Personally, I hope Java (in all of its virtual glory) never makes it into OpenBSD at all. Real men will cry man tears when OpenBSD ships with Java. Uninformed. We've had Java for years and now we have packages: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/jdk-1.7.0.00b24p2.tgz 4.4 will have packages also. Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. Porting Java to OpenBSD enabled the LOCKSS project to use it for its noble goals. It uncovered deadlocks in our pthread lib that resulted in large improvements to libpthread. Its use of dlopen() and friends resulted in significant improvements in our runtime linker. Oh and who made those improvements??? The same person who took the time to port Java to OpenBSD!! Me and other OpenBSD developers who saw the need to improve things. BTW, all those system level improvements have made significant stability gains for applications like firefox, KDE, OpenOffice, Asterisk, etc, etc which all use threads and dlopen() alot. Quite frankly I'm pretty upset at all the 'Java sucks' banter on misc. If you and the other naysayers don't realize that porting Java to OpenBSD was a 'Good-Thing' then you are just UNINFORMED! -Kurt
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
Kurt Miller-3 wrote: Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. That was meant as a joke. I got 4.4 today and it had a sticker poking fun at Java. (Java wants you to sell out Solo! NDA, etc.) My comment was meant in the same spirit. But really... for some folks... Java just sucks, but at the same time, I appreciate folks (like you) who make it suck less. Nothing personal, OK? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/BSD-Port-from-OpenJDK-tp19884864p19984974.html Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, new_guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt Miller-3 wrote: Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. That was meant as a joke. I got 4.4 today and it had a sticker poking fun It came across as distinctly unfunny. Kurt has done a lot of great work. There are always technologies that some people like and some don't. If you are not forced to use a technology you don't like, don't belittle the people who make it happen for the rest of us. And if you are forced, blame somebody else. :)
Re: BSD Port from OpenJDK
Your negativity sucks. Porting Java to OpenBSD was and is not a trivial effort. It also serves as an excellent test bed for threads, the runtime linker and large memory applications. Porting Java to OpenBSD enabled the LOCKSS project to use it for its noble goals. It uncovered deadlocks in our pthread lib that resulted in large improvements to libpthread. Its use of dlopen() and friends resulted in significant improvements in our runtime linker. Oh and who made those improvements??? The same person who took the time to port Java to OpenBSD!! Me and other OpenBSD developers who saw the need to improve things. BTW, all those system level improvements have made significant stability gains for applications like firefox, KDE, OpenOffice, Asterisk, etc, etc which all use threads and dlopen() alot. Quite frankly I'm pretty upset at all the 'Java sucks' banter on misc. If you and the other naysayers don't realize that porting Java to OpenBSD was a 'Good-Thing' then you are just UNINFORMED! -Kurt Any negativity shed on misc@ or elsewhere shall never be enough to overcome how much you folks rock, and how much appreciation had for the work we all invest in progressing this system we love so much! So thank you, to all, saying it is never enough, let's hack :) Cheers, ~Jason
BSD Port from OpenJDK
Just wondering if this will effect OpenBSD with java: Per the interim governance guidelines for Projects [1] I'm pleased to announce the creation of the BSD Port Project [2,3] following the Porters Group's decision [4] to sponsor it. Dalibor Topic will serve as the Project's Moderator. - Mark [1] http://openjdk.java.net/projects [2] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/announce/2008-August/58.html [3] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/bsd-port [4] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/porters-dev/2008-August/000191.html http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/announce/2008-August/60.html
