Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:43:12 +0300 Kapetanakis Giannis 

> Since you are not representing the project or the developers (me 
> neither), we would all appreciate if you stop responding like you do.
> The problem is not wrong memory/quick decision but answering like you 
> are representing someone else instead of your self.
> 
> You are confusing people here, please stop doing so.

Hay loosen up, I'm not confusing anybody, it was out of line, way out of
line, plain unacceptable, I get it.  And it may have been happening more
than is acceptable too, I know it..  I have nothing against contribution,
corrections, spell checks, I love the community, the people, the mindset.

The thing is Personal N. Ames are a red herring OK, especially if you're
not native, if it looks from afar some submissions are X colour herrings
to other projects from what mimics a green herring address.  Please, do
not put that many guilt in one basket, I got enough already.  I'll stop
teething, don't worry.  It may never happen again,  if you expel me now.
Call me what you like, bad person beyond repair, it may be an age thing.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Kapetanakis Giannis]

On 20/06/16 05:07, li...@wrant.com wrote:

 From this, I gained understanding that past emails and decisions, based
on them are not always valid for current emails (wink Ivan).  Different
decisions happen with each case, independently careful attention to all
no matter how minor detail it may seem.  Every contribution counts, and
is reviewed and assessed for quality.  My *mistake* was to misjudge and
actually demonstrate quick memory by correlating *past* email, got that.
If you think you can add more to this, please do, I would appreciate it.


Since you are not representing the project or the developers (me 
neither), we would all appreciate if you stop responding like you do.
The problem is not wrong memory/quick decision but answering like you 
are representing someone else instead of your self.


You are confusing people here, please stop doing so.

G

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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> You are not an OpenBSD developer, you do not speak for any aspect of the
> OpenBSD community, and you are hazardous to everything you interact with.

Tell me something I did not know already: the third part of your statement.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Peter Hessler]

On 2016 Jun 19 (Sun) at 19:29:51 +0300 (+0300), li...@wrant.com wrote:
:You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
:mail provider (gmail).  You show nothing to validate your suggestion.
:You should probably stop making corrections in people's names unless
:you get appointed to do so by the project.  Until then, this is just
:ignored, and wastes bytes, electricity, time, mostly yours.

I am amazed that _you_ are the one writing this.

You are not an OpenBSD developer, you do not speak for any aspect of the
OpenBSD community, and you are hazardous to everything you interact with.

I am telling you _again_.  Stop posting here.  We don't even want your
apology.  Simply, stop.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:35:39 -0700 Philip Guenther 
> >> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful
>
> Yes.  Committers get their commit bit by submitting diffs.
>
> > Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.
>
> Someone who can't admit they were wrong can't be a good developer: we
> all make mistakes and must be ready to have others catch our mistakes,
> point them out to us, and *learn* from them and grow to be better
> developers and better *people*.  I've lost track of how many times
> kettenis@ or miod@ or deraadt@ has pointed out a flaw in my logic or
> my code; *acknowledging* the mistake and working to do better is the
> only correct response.
>
> Philip Guenther

>From this, I gained understanding that past emails and decisions, based
on them are not always valid for current emails (wink Ivan).  Different
decisions happen with each case, independently careful attention to all
no matter how minor detail it may seem.  Every contribution counts, and
is reviewed and assessed for quality.  My *mistake* was to misjudge and
actually demonstrate quick memory by correlating *past* email, got that.
If you think you can add more to this, please do, I would appreciate it.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:35:39 -0700 Philip Guenther 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:38 PM,   wrote:
> >> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful  
> 
> Yes.  Committers get their commit bit by submitting diffs.
> 
> > Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.  
> 
> Someone who can't admit they were wrong can't be a good developer: we
> all make mistakes and must be ready to have others catch our mistakes,
> point them out to us, and *learn* from them and grow to be better
> developers and better *people*.  I've lost track of how many times
> kettenis@ or miod@ or deraadt@ has pointed out a flaw in my logic or
> my code; *acknowledging* the mistake and working to do better is the
> only correct response.
> 
> 
> Philip Guenther

I agree.  Thanks.  I'll try better.  I can't promise miracles though.
But I will try.  More.  As long as it takes.  Please be patient, tnx.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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> >> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful  
> >
> > Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.
> 
> Was that some sort of attempt at an apology for shooting your mouth off

Yes, are you happy or you want me to try again this time in 13+ lines?
I can also apologise for other matters too, it's not any problem here.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Philip Guenther]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:38 PM,   wrote:
>> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful

Yes.  Committers get their commit bit by submitting diffs.


> Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.

Someone who can't admit they were wrong can't be a good developer: we
all make mistakes and must be ready to have others catch our mistakes,
point them out to us, and *learn* from them and grow to be better
developers and better *people*.  I've lost track of how many times
kettenis@ or miod@ or deraadt@ has pointed out a flaw in my logic or
my code; *acknowledging* the mistake and working to do better is the
only correct response.


Philip Guenther

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Peter Rippe]

>>That would be a complete waste of their time, like you wasted ropers.
>
>You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
>mail provider (gmail).  You show nothing to validate your suggestion.
>You should probably stop making corrections in people's names unless
>you get appointed to do so by the project. Until then, this is just
>ignored, and wastes bytes, electricity, time, mostly yours

>>What's wrong with YOU not understanding simple facts, but ranting back?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:38 PM,   wrote:
>> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful
>
> Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.
>

Was that some sort of attempt at an apology for shooting your mouth off
again and acting like an asshole, despite the developers having previously
told you to not speak on their behalf, or act like an asshole?

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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> The important detail is whether the info provided is actually useful

Seems like this was useful, so even minutest contributions help along.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Sebastian Benoit]

Tae Wong(seotaewon...@gmail.com) on 2016.06.19 07:58:33 +0900:
> The source page I provided here is http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
> 
> In this page, I've found the following errors.
> ??? In the "I'm still here" song credits, Jonathan Lewis is displayed as
> Jonathan D. Lewis (middle initial?)
> ??? In the "11 1010101" song credits, Duncan McDonald is spelled as
> Duncan McDonnald. His last name should have only one n.
> ??? In the OpenBSD 3.5 song lyrics, the word vis a vis should be
> displayed as vis-a-vis (hyphenated).
> 
> I don't have a patch created so someone should create it and commit it.

Hi,

these errors have been fixed, thank you.

/Benno

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:00:36 + Ivan Markin 
> li...@wrant.com:
> > You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
> > mail provider (gmail).  You show nothing to validate your suggestion.
> > You should probably stop making corrections in people's names unless
> > you get appointed to do so by the project.  Until then, this is just
> > ignored, and wastes bytes, electricity, time, mostly yours.  Re-read:
> > 
> > ..you are introducing errors that cannot be confirmed..  We all have
> > better things to do.  from [http://marc.info/?m=144605715428106]  
> 
> What the heck is wrong with you? Why can't you stop offending people and
> discourage them to contribute?  If someone want to improve then there's
> nothing wrong with it. Everybody have different set of skills and
> they're trying to do a good thing as they _can_.

What's wrong with YOU not understanding simple facts, but ranting back?
You're creating fuss about nothing.  Practically there is nothing here.
Did you check the other thread, did you check this email address posts?

[http://marc.info/?a=13561551954=4]

> "Waste of developers' time", "good quality standards"? If you have
> something to add/clarify about this suggestion from Tae Wong then go
> ahead and do it instead of "lowering mailing list quality standards" by
> yourself.
> 
> > You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
> > mail provider (gmail).  
> 
> Do you think that it's OK to discriminate people? Have you noticed that
> you did so?
> 
> P.S. I'm not going to feed you.

I'm sure you're feeding yourself perfectly well so far.  Ivan, please do
not get so upset about emails.  The important detail is whether the info
provided is actually useful or NOT.  It is either unverifiable, or just
otherwise unhelpful, creating churn and potential undetectable (double)
errors.  Now, you can be a grown up too.  You're complaining about some
wave of hatred but you're contributing to it, instead of checking facts.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Ivan Markin]

li...@wrant.com:
> You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
> mail provider (gmail).  You show nothing to validate your suggestion.
> You should probably stop making corrections in people's names unless
> you get appointed to do so by the project.  Until then, this is just
> ignored, and wastes bytes, electricity, time, mostly yours.  Re-read:
> 
> ..you are introducing errors that cannot be confirmed..  We all have
> better things to do.  from [http://marc.info/?m=144605715428106]

What the heck is wrong with you? Why can't you stop offending people and
discourage them to contribute?  If someone want to improve then there's
nothing wrong with it. Everybody have different set of skills and
they're trying to do a good thing as they _can_.
"Waste of developers' time", "good quality standards"? If you have
something to add/clarify about this suggestion from Tae Wong then go
ahead and do it instead of "lowering mailing list quality standards" by
yourself.

> You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
> mail provider (gmail).

Do you think that it's OK to discriminate people? Have you noticed that
you did so?

P.S. I'm not going to feed you.

Re: Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

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Sun, 19 Jun 2016 07:58:33 +0900 Tae Wong 
> The source page I provided here is http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
>
> In this page, I've found the following errors.
> • In the "I'm still here" song credits, Jonathan Lewis is displayed as
> Jonathan D. Lewis (middle initial?)
> • In the "11 1010101" song credits, Duncan McDonald is spelled as
> Duncan McDonnald. His last name should have only one n.
> • In the OpenBSD 3.5 song lyrics, the word vis a vis should be
> displayed as vis-a-vis (hyphenated).
>
> I don't have a patch created so someone should create it and commit it.

That would be a complete waste of their time, like you wasted ropers.

You're not part of the OpenBSD developers, you're coming from a free
mail provider (gmail).  You show nothing to validate your suggestion.
You should probably stop making corrections in people's names unless
you get appointed to do so by the project.  Until then, this is just
ignored, and wastes bytes, electricity, time, mostly yours.  Re-read:

..you are introducing errors that cannot be confirmed..  We all have
better things to do.  from [http://marc.info/?m=144605715428106]

P.S. What kind of SEO is changing personal names?  No, ask yourself.

Corrections to the Release Song Lyrics page

[Tae Wong]

The source page I provided here is http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

In this page, I've found the following errors.
• In the "I'm still here" song credits, Jonathan Lewis is displayed as
Jonathan D. Lewis (middle initial?)
• In the "11 1010101" song credits, Duncan McDonald is spelled as
Duncan McDonnald. His last name should have only one n.
• In the OpenBSD 3.5 song lyrics, the word vis a vis should be
displayed as vis-a-vis (hyphenated).

I don't have a patch created so someone should create it and commit it.