Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Greg Thomas wrote: On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity. No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions. There is a big difference between the two. I think this is a reason why Theo is loathe to start a non-profit organization and I completely agree. That's a bunch of crap, really - funds spent purchasing OBSD product is a valid business expense. As such, it if fully 'deductible' according to the IRS rules. When you kick in a few more dollars, there's no problem 'deducting' it as a normal business expense for 'consulting' - which it is, expending budget for technical advice obtained. Anyone looking for charity is telling the bean counters 'hey, look at us! we want you to ask more questions! We need more problems!' Lee Leland V. Lammert[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spruell, Darren-Perot Sent: March 10, 2006 12:34 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Pre-orders for our releases. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenBSd always charges nothing back, that's an ideology (that's the way i see). The price of ideologies in a world like ours is expensive. For instance, i am tired of seeing big players using openssh and the like. They give nothing back to OpenBSD. Probable the thrid BSD license clause should be incorporated again. This would help than with an argument for supporting openbsd. Or they advertises openbsd is being used by them, or they cash something back. This way could be a means to estabilish a tradeoff for them to decide. And yet the meaning of free still escapes you. If you want these bastards to pay you for the software they use and make money off of, then you license it in such a way that makes them pay for it. Since the larger goal is to promote freedom in software usage (and by all definitions of the word), then this is obviously not the solution anyone wants. The BSD license doesn't make anyone give back, nor is it intended to. Charity, guilt, conscience, appreciation, or just because you're a good guy are all reasons to give back. Corporate America cares about none of these. It's a sad reality. But at this point I think its a safe bet that the OpenBSD project is not bent on world domination or getting rich and retiring to the Caymans on software sales. DS I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity. Actually, to be honest, they care about charitable receipts. So if they can donate money to someone and get a receipt to use for tax purposes then that makes their beancounters happy. Of course, for this to benefit OpenBSD they'd have to be registered as a charitable organization etc. etc. and that is probably somewhere they either don't want to or can't go (or they already have and I just don't know)
Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
Hi Craig, Of course, for this to benefit OpenBSD they'd have to be registered as a charitable organization etc. etc. and that is probably somewhere they either don't want to or can't go (or they already have and I just don't know) Ain't. Gonna. Happen. (See the archives; really) I think you'll have more luck trying to explain the meaning of karma to some PHB than raising this issue here. Have a nice one... Nico :-)
FW: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nico Meijer Sent: March 10, 2006 2:56 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases. Hi Craig, Of course, for this to benefit OpenBSD they'd have to be registered as a charitable organization etc. etc. and that is probably somewhere they either don't want to or can't go (or they already have and I just don't know) Ain't. Gonna. Happen. (See the archives; really) I think you'll have more luck trying to explain the meaning of karma to some PHB than raising this issue here. Have a nice one... Nico :-) I have no argument with that. I was really only playing devil's advocate which is why I stated my ignorance. We're so far OT I wasn't going to dedicate the time for further research. As Theo said, if we're thinking of it now, he and everyone else have already been there, done that, got and sold the t-shirt, and now they want to get back to coding. :)
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Man, talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah. quit blathering and just do it!
Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity. No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions. There is a big difference between the two. I think this is a reason why Theo is loathe to start a non-profit organization and I completely agree. Greg
Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
I agree with those who have said that this thread is very largely a waste of time with lots of talk and little action coming from it apart from the few overt contributions to the power bill fund. Thanks to those people. For those of you who haven't thought of a way to contribute more than your personal $$ or those of your own business, how about what I am doing. I am writing personalised letters to businesses where I have used any OpenBSD technology informing them that my bills have not included a charge for OpenBSD/OpenSSH etc (as it applies to their business). I'll be relating to them that if it was MSFT/IBM/Novell/RedHat whatever they would have had considerably more to pay and that, whilst they can get more of OBSD free of charge, that won't necessarily continue without some voluntary contributions. I'll tell them that outfits like Apple, HP, IBM and Microsoft use OpenBSD produced software to enhance their products and largely don't contribute anything in return. Then I'll close by saying that I think that you ($RECIPIENT) are not so mean or shortsighted as the megaliths seem to be and will make a contribution in appreciation of past services and in anticipation of more high quality software from the talented OpenBSD team. Then I'll close with just the website donation URL as sending cheques from Australia is likely to cause hassles if anyone is silly enough to write one in $AUD and post it off with the payee as OpenBSD. Now I'll shut up and hack (some more letters). Maybe some of you can do the same? A bunch of smallish payments from SMBs would likely add up to more than we'll see from any of the biggies. Prove me wrong IBM/HP/Apple/MSFT ! From the land down under: Australia. Do we look umop apisdn from up over? Do NOT CC me - I am subscribed to the list. Replies to the sender address will fail except from the list-server.
Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
On 3/10/06, Rod.. Whitworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with those who have said that this thread is very largely a waste of time with lots of talk and little action coming from it apart from the few overt contributions to the power bill fund. Thanks to those people. For those of you who haven't thought of a way to contribute more than your personal $$ or those of your own business, how about what I am doing. I am writing personalised letters to businesses where I have used any OpenBSD technology informing them that my bills have not included a charge for OpenBSD/OpenSSH etc (as it applies to their business). Along those lines I'm drafting a letter to our CIO and other PHBs around the company. I'll most likely be able to get a donation to OpenSSH since we use it on Linux, HP boxes, Cisco stuff, OS X, etc. Any chance a donations link could be added to openssh.org? Greg
Re: FW: Pre-orders for our releases.
On Saturday 11 March 2006 07:22, Greg Thomas wrote: On 3/10/06, Craig Ryhorchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't go quite that far. Corporate anywhere cares about charity. No, they don't care about charity. They care about tax deductions. Or, in countries where charity donations arent tax deductable, goodwill and reputation. --- Lars Hansson
