Re: If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free?
Jorge Luis gmail.com> writes: > > I am posting just for fun. > > FreeBSD isn't Free. > > * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of > this > * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining > any > * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce > or > * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the > * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or > * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall > * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in > * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of > the > * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it > nor > * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, > process, > * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which > the > * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export > license, > * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first > obtaining > * such license, approval or letter. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2 > > If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free? > > Linux? > > NetBSD? > > DragonflyBSD? > > I want to program and use software and hardware just a hobby, but I not > want to waste my money on a false ideal. > > Not even OpenBSD is Free because it requires time, patience, hardware, skill, money, community, and other parts. This old license has been superseded by another. If you want to make a difference, see about having the BSDs work together instead of catering to the vanity of another. You would not try to approach someone in real life with such an attitude unless you were a fool or a man looking for revenge. Either which way, both are displays of pure stupidity. You present yourself in such a way without researching the other side of the argument. Had this been reversed, you would have been offended by such behavior, words, and actions. It is interesting that you would waste this much energy in trying to start a fight than you would in solving a problem and creating something beneficial and useful to yourself and others. So, where did you go wrong? By believing without thinking or by acting without taking anything into retrospect? It is very questionable, now isn't it?
Re: If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free?
Please don't post such things here. On 2016 Apr 09 (Sat) at 09:36:47 -0300 (-0300), Jorge Luis wrote: :I am posting just for fun. -- One good reason why computers can do more work than people is that they never have to stop and answer the phone.
Re: If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free?
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Jorge Luis <jorgeluiscorreioeletron...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am posting just for fun. > > FreeBSD isn't Free. You are free to try posting this on the FreeBSD forums? -- Raul
If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free?
I am posting just for fun. FreeBSD isn't Free. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2 If FreeBSD isn't free, who is free? Linux? NetBSD? DragonflyBSD? I want to program and use software and hardware just a hobby, but I not want to waste my money on a false ideal.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:12 -0400, Alex Libman alib...@ssl-mail.com wrote: I would like to see OpenBSD become even more of a leader in getting rid of restrictive licenses (both proprietary copyRIGHT and anti-free-market copyLEFT) by replacing things like gcc + toolchain, groff, lynx, etc. Apache, sendmail, and artsy licenses (i.e. perl) aren't really copyFREE either (I have a 256 word threshold for legalese). The dependence on perl in particular is a significant downside... I am sure the OBSD developers are in full agreement with you. Where's the code? We would all love to see it.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 17:12 -0400, Alex Libman alib...@ssl-mail.com wrote: I would like to see OpenBSD become even more of a leader in getting rid of restrictive licenses (both proprietary copyRIGHT and anti-free-market copyLEFT) by replacing things like gcc + toolchain, groff, lynx, etc. Apache, sendmail, and artsy licenses (i.e. perl) aren't really copyFREE either (I have a 256 word threshold for legalese). B The dependence on perl in particular is a significant downside... I am sure the OBSD developers are in full agreement with you. Where's the code? We would all love to see it. The perl in base issue has been discused thoroughly in the past, anyway, I like perl.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Alex == Alex Libman alib...@ssl-mail.com writes: Alex Apache, sendmail, and artsy licenses (i.e. perl) aren't really copyFREE Alex either (I have a 256 word threshold for legalese). Ahem. Stop with the FUD. Artistic 2.0 was written by lawyers who are every bit as good as the ones at Berkeley or FSF. Perl is about as free as anything gets. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
From: Alex Libman alibman () ssl-mail ! com Date: 2010-10-09 21:12:53 Message-ID: 1286658773.20699.1399228895 () webmail ! messagingengine ! com [Download message RAW] -- (snip) ...replacing things like gcc + toolchain, groff, lynx, etc. Apache, sendmail, and artsy licenses (i.e. perl) aren't really copyFREE either (I have a 256 word threshold for legalese). The dependence on perl in particular is a significant downside... -- Alex Libman, http://AlexLibman.com Wow! I never expected to see someone volunteer to rewrite the pkg tools! Does Espie have any comments? -- Edward Ahlsen-Girard Ft Walton Beach, FL
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Huge kudos to Theo friends for creating the freest fully-functional OS in existence! Licensing politics (see http://copyFREE.org) is a big reason why I switched to OpenBSD, even on the desktop, but it isn't a black-and-white issue. There are some things that FreeBSD does right. I would like to see OpenBSD become even more of a leader in getting rid of restrictive licenses (both proprietary copyRIGHT and anti-free-market copyLEFT) by replacing things like gcc + toolchain, groff, lynx, etc. Apache, sendmail, and artsy licenses (i.e. perl) aren't really copyFREE either (I have a 256 word threshold for legalese). The dependence on perl in particular is a significant downside... -- Alex Libman, http://AlexLibman.com
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:45:28PM -0400, Scott McEachern wrote: On 10/06/10 16:01, Chris Cappuccio wrote: You are aware that US customs is regularly seizing laptop hard drives of people who enter the US, copying them, and returning them at a future date? This was challenged in court and naturally the government won their case. This is such a problem that some companies are mailing hard drives, instead of having people transport them on planes. Not that customs would stop at copying a mailed hard disk, but the chance that they bother to even look at a package is slim. Thank-you, Chris. No, I was not aware of that, but I am not the least bit surprised. I have not travelled to the US since '98. Post-9/11 and the PATRIOT act, I have no intention of returning to the US (I am a Canadian citizen) due to similar stories, but I didn't know about that fun fact. Everything since then hasn't smelled right to me. Believe it or not, I don't personally know anyone that has entered the US post-9/11. When I think about it, everyone I know has been on international flights that did not involve entering the US at all. Thanks again for the information. I've had a long suspicion that if I got to the border, I'd say No to something and would be denied entry, so I haven't even tried. I miss Hawaii, but apparently it doesn't miss me. ;) I regularly travel between the US and Guatemala. Since i'm poor, I travel by bus. (Note: traveling by executive class on buses south of the US is better than first class on an airline!) At the Laredo border crossing, beyond the usual drug dogs and luggage x-rays, they now have a giant boom truck that x-rays the entire bus once everyone is off it! I am very embarrassed and ashamed that my country is wasting so much money on silly things. The cost of those x-ray trucks has to be very high. Some of the other border crossings are better, but Laredo can take a very long time. Whenever I can, I prefer to walk across the bridge. Much quicker and less hassle. Frankly, it is why I am moving away from US. I like freedom over tyranny. Chris Bennett
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Let's add to the paranoia. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9746317 --- On Fri, 10/8/10, Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: From: Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.biz Subject: Re: FreeBSD isn't Free To: Scott McEachern sc...@blackstaff.ca Cc: OpenBSD Mailing List misc@openbsd.org Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 10:47 AM On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:45:28PM -0400, Scott McEachern wrote: On 10/06/10 16:01, Chris Cappuccio wrote: You are aware that US customs is regularly seizing laptop hard drives of people who enter the US, copying them, and returning them at a future date? This was challenged in court and naturally the government won their case. This is such a problem that some companies are mailing hard drives, instead of having people transport them on planes. Not that customs would stop at copying a mailed hard disk, but the chance that they bother to even look at a package is slim. Thank-you, Chris. No, I was not aware of that, but I am not the least bit surprised. I have not travelled to the US since '98. Post-9/11 and the PATRIOT act, I have no intention of returning to the US (I am a Canadian citizen) due to similar stories, but I didn't know about that fun fact. Everything since then hasn't smelled right to me. Believe it or not, I don't personally know anyone that has entered the US post-9/11. When I think about it, everyone I know has been on international flights that did not involve entering the US at all. Thanks again for the information. I've had a long suspicion that if I got to the border, I'd say No to something and would be denied entry, so I haven't even tried. I miss Hawaii, but apparently it doesn't miss me. ;) I regularly travel between the US and Guatemala. Since i'm poor, I travel by bus. (Note: traveling by executive class on buses south of the US is better than first class on an airline!) At the Laredo border crossing, beyond the usual drug dogs and luggage x-rays, they now have a giant boom truck that x-rays the entire bus once everyone is off it! I am very embarrassed and ashamed that my country is wasting so much money on silly things. The cost of those x-ray trucks has to be very high. Some of the other border crossings are better, but Laredo can take a very long time. Whenever I can, I prefer to walk across the bridge. Much quicker and less hassle. Frankly, it is why I am moving away from US. I like freedom over tyranny. Chris Bennett
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
What does this mean? does it mean there was a mistake? http://www.listware.net/201010/freebsd-questions/19724-re-like-it-or-not-theo-has-a-point-freebsd-is-shipping-export-restricted-software-in-the-core.html -- Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks http://www.fourmannetworks.com
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 01:03:42 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com wrote: What does this mean? does it mean there was a mistake? http://www.listware.net/201010/freebsd-questions/19724-re-like-it-or-not-theo-has-a-point-freebsd-is-shipping-export-restricted-software-in-the-core.html No mistake. Randy said Theo has a valid point, and he does. If you ever get the chance to have a discussion with either Theo or Randy, you should realize two things immediately: 1.) They're really fucking smart, and they've done all their homework. 2.) They're probably *way* ahead of you in the discussion, and they're impatiently waiting for you to mentally catch up. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:22:03 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Just for fun. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2 The nVidia code has some goodies as well: * No Rental. Customer may not rent or lease the SOFTWARE to someone else. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.README?rev=1.1 Not that somebody might use FreeBSD as a hosting provider... kind regards, Robert PS: I really like the confidential part in a public code repository... |* THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROPRIETARY AND CONFIDENTIAL *| http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/nve/phy.h?rev=1.1.1.1
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:22:03 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Just for fun. Stop wasting your time reading people's licenses., http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/mg/theo.c.diff?r1=1.77;r2=1.78 Eh? :)
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Le Wednesday 06 October 2010 12:10:53, Oliver Peter a icrit : On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:22:03 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Just for fun. Stop wasting your time reading people's licenses., http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/mg/theo.c.diff?r1=1.77;r2 =1.78 Eh? :) Sense for the content of ? static const char *talk[]
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Did they get the licensing, approval, or letter? --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org Subject: FreeBSD isn't Free To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 5:22 AM Just for fun. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hws leep.c?rev=1.2
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.com wrote: Did they get the licensing, approval, or letter? I'm pretty sure that not every FreeBSD user with a laptop system incorporating such software has such a letter because I know I sure as hell never got one.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.com wrote: Did they get the licensing, approval, or letter? I'm pretty sure that not every FreeBSD user with a laptop system incorporating such software has such a letter because I know I sure as hell never got one. Then you may be detained next time you attempt to travel internationally. You are free to stay at home, though.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Super Biscuit super_bisq...@yahoo.com wrote: Did they get the licensing, approval, or letter? I'm pretty sure that not every FreeBSD user with a laptop system incorporating such software has such a letter because I know I sure as hell never got one. You must have had the unlicensed copy then! Please turn yourself in at the nearest ACTA branch. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 6 October 2010 17:47, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that not every FreeBSD user with a laptop system incorporating such software has such a letter because I know I sure as hell never got one. more importantly, do these guys? http://twitter.com/bsdevents/status/26264498108 http://imenpardis.com/news/
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
Super Biscuit wrote: Did they get the licensing, approval, or letter? missing the point
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Sevan / Venture37 ventur...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 October 2010 17:47, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that not every FreeBSD user with a laptop system incorporating such software has such a letter because I know I sure as hell never got one. more importantly, do these guys? http://twitter.com/bsdevents/status/26264498108 http://imenpardis.com/news/ What about these guys? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Derivatives -B
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 11:22:03PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Just for fun. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2 This is why we have our own ACPI implementation... To avoid nonsense like this. -ml
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 10/06/10 00:22, Theo de Raadt wrote: Just for fun. since i don't bother with freebsd much i have to guess this is a result of the project being US-based and containing integrated crypto. these laws are stupid and slow down the development of technology in the both the open source and commercial software communities. maybe in a pre-internet cold-war world these laws made sense. with the rise of terrorism export laws based on country-of-origin are increasingly irrelevant. the export laws in the US are a reflection of why the US has been steadily losing its edge in rankings of its educational system, especially in mathematics and the sciences. as US citizen who is educated in these subjects, i find it patently backward and embarrassing that this policy continues. despite your (theo's) amusement at the freebsd project's missteps in this regard, i am reminded of how embarrassing it is to be from the US where such export compliance is required. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: On 10/06/10 00:22, Theo de Raadt wrote: Just for fun. since i don't bother with freebsd much i have to guess this is a result of the project being US-based and containing integrated crypto. these laws are stupid and slow down the development of technology in the both the open source and commercial software communities. maybe in a pre-internet cold-war world these laws made sense. with the rise of terrorism export laws based on country-of-origin are increasingly irrelevant. the export laws in the US are a reflection of why the US has been steadily losing its edge in rankings of its educational system, especially in mathematics and the sciences. as US citizen who is educated in these subjects, i find it patently backward and embarrassing that this policy continues. despite your (theo's) amusement at the freebsd project's missteps in this regard, i am reminded of how embarrassing it is to be from the US where such export compliance is required. I would feel embarrassed of not knowing when is a proper time to hold down the shift key. -T
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 01:14:37PM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: On 10/06/10 00:22, Theo de Raadt wrote: Just for fun. since i don't bother with freebsd much i have to guess this is a result of the project being US-based and containing integrated crypto. I have several small projects housed at sourceforge.net that fall under a similar export restriction because they are housed there. Just using the arc4random() stuff (from OpenSSH) for linux requires one to report it to the US government because it uses crypto (OpenSSL) afaik. I believe the US government put pressure on sourceforge.net to adhere to export restrictions even if the developer is from outside of the US. Could it be that the same happened to FreeBSD and that's why the license change? regards, -peter
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 10/06/10 12:50, Theo de Raadt wrote: Then you may be detained next time you attempt to travel internationally. You are free to stay at home, though. I'm not trying to be a wise-acre here, I agree with Theo 100%. I doubt anyone wants to be screwed by customs (anywhere) due to licencing issues. I also don't doubt that customs would dig deep to find dirt if they really wanted to. My question is: Has it ever happened to anyone? Has anyone actually had a customs agent say Wait a minute, you're using /foo/ OS. You can't be crossing our border. No flames please; I'm just curious. I realize the distinction here is between it not being possible (OpenBSD) and theoretically possible (FreeBSD).
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 10/06/10 14:32, Peter J. Philipp wrote: I believe the US government put pressure on sourceforge.net to adhere to export restrictions even if the developer is from outside of the US. Could it be that the same happened to FreeBSD and that's why the license change? IIRC, sourceforge was required by some US agency to block IPs from various countries or else remove the given projects from the site. It boiled down to We don't want to do this, but we have to, unless we want to locate our servers on non-US soil.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 10/06/10 14:32, Peter J. Philipp wrote: I believe the US government put pressure on sourceforge.net to adhere to export restrictions even if the developer is from outside of the US. Could it be that the same happened to FreeBSD and that's why the license change? IIRC, sourceforge was required by some US agency to block IPs from various countries or else remove the given projects from the site. It boiled down to We don't want to do this, but we have to, unless we want to locate our servers on non-US soil. Such as FreeBSD, Linux, and OpenSolaris, which all use this code? So much for freedom.
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
You are aware that US customs is regularly seizing laptop hard drives of people who enter the US, copying them, and returning them at a future date? This was challenged in court and naturally the government won their case. This is such a problem that some companies are mailing hard drives, instead of having people transport them on planes. Not that customs would stop at copying a mailed hard disk, but the chance that they bother to even look at a package is slim. Scott McEachern [sc...@blackstaff.ca] wrote: On 10/06/10 12:50, Theo de Raadt wrote: Then you may be detained next time you attempt to travel internationally. You are free to stay at home, though. I'm not trying to be a wise-acre here, I agree with Theo 100%. I doubt anyone wants to be screwed by customs (anywhere) due to licencing issues. I also don't doubt that customs would dig deep to find dirt if they really wanted to. My question is: Has it ever happened to anyone? Has anyone actually had a customs agent say Wait a minute, you're using /foo/ OS. You can't be crossing our border. No flames please; I'm just curious. I realize the distinction here is between it not being possible (OpenBSD) and theoretically possible (FreeBSD). -- Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On 10/06/10 16:01, Chris Cappuccio wrote: You are aware that US customs is regularly seizing laptop hard drives of people who enter the US, copying them, and returning them at a future date? This was challenged in court and naturally the government won their case. This is such a problem that some companies are mailing hard drives, instead of having people transport them on planes. Not that customs would stop at copying a mailed hard disk, but the chance that they bother to even look at a package is slim. Thank-you, Chris. No, I was not aware of that, but I am not the least bit surprised. I have not travelled to the US since '98. Post-9/11 and the PATRIOT act, I have no intention of returning to the US (I am a Canadian citizen) due to similar stories, but I didn't know about that fun fact. Everything since then hasn't smelled right to me. Believe it or not, I don't personally know anyone that has entered the US post-9/11. When I think about it, everyone I know has been on international flights that did not involve entering the US at all. Thanks again for the information. I've had a long suspicion that if I got to the border, I'd say No to something and would be denied entry, so I haven't even tried. I miss Hawaii, but apparently it doesn't miss me. ;)
Re: FreeBSD isn't Free
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 23:22:03 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Just for fun. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2 More Fun: * 2.2. Intel grants, free of charge, to any person (Licensee) obtaining a * copy of the source code appearing in this file (Covered Code) an * irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide license under Intel's copyrights ... It seems worldwide means some other world besides this one.
FreeBSD isn't Free
Just for fun. * 4.3. Licensee shall not export, either directly or indirectly, any of this * software or system incorporating such software without first obtaining any * required license or other approval from the U. S. Department of Commerce or * any other agency or department of the United States Government. In the * event Licensee exports any such software from the United States or * re-exports any such software from a foreign destination, Licensee shall * ensure that the distribution and export/re-export of the software is in * compliance with all laws, regulations, orders, or other restrictions of the * U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Licensee agrees that neither it nor * any of its subsidiaries will export/re-export any technical data, process, * software, or service, directly or indirectly, to any country for which the * United States government or any agency thereof requires an export license, * other governmental approval, or letter of assurance, without first obtaining * such license, approval or letter. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c?rev=1.2
