Re: OpenBGP on firewall

2006-02-17 Thread Paolo Supino

Hi Henning

 Thanx for the reply :-)
How do I make sure that the master is the one that advertises the routes 
to avoid asymmetric and packet loss?
Since these FW systems will also act as a ISPEC peers (2 permanent and 
some couple of concurrent road warriors) what would you estimate be a 
good enough hardware that will keep the load (ball park numbers will do 
;-))?







TIA
Paolo



Henning Brauer wrote:


* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-16 19:54]:
 

I started working for a company that its production site is running 2 
PIX firewalls with no VRRP (to save cost on licensing, duh). I offered 
and they approved to replace them with 2 OpenBSD and CARP. In front of 
the FW there is a Cisco 7200 router doing BGP. I offered to remove the 
router and use OpenBGP on the OpenBSD firewalls instead, thus achieving 
failover on BGP too. But I don't know whether this is a good idea or 
should I add 2 more OpenBSD systems specifically for BPG?
   



in prinicple, usinf bgpd on teh same machines is fine. you should take 
care that the car master also is the one that announces the best route 
to you so that you don't get too assymetric traffic flows. otherwise 
you'll see performance issues and some packet loss, likely.
with seperate machines for bgpd and stateless filtering that is not an 
issue at all.
I always wanted to add something so that you can make a prepend-self 1 
depending on carp state... maybe i should revive that idea




Re: OpenBGP on firewall

2006-02-17 Thread Henning Brauer
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-16 19:54]:
>  I started working for a company that its production site is running 2 
> PIX firewalls with no VRRP (to save cost on licensing, duh). I offered 
> and they approved to replace them with 2 OpenBSD and CARP. In front of 
> the FW there is a Cisco 7200 router doing BGP. I offered to remove the 
> router and use OpenBGP on the OpenBSD firewalls instead, thus achieving 
> failover on BGP too. But I don't know whether this is a good idea or 
> should I add 2 more OpenBSD systems specifically for BPG?

in prinicple, usinf bgpd on teh same machines is fine. you should take 
care that the car master also is the one that announces the best route 
to you so that you don't get too assymetric traffic flows. otherwise 
you'll see performance issues and some packet loss, likely.
with seperate machines for bgpd and stateless filtering that is not an 
issue at all.
I always wanted to add something so that you can make a prepend-self 1 
depending on carp state... maybe i should revive that idea

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Re: OpenBGP on firewall

2006-02-16 Thread Reto Burkhalter
Hi

I tried something similar: 2x machines (FreeBSD) with OpenBGPD,
CARP (for fail-over of the internal default gateway), PF and pfsync.

I encountered problems especially with assymetric routed traffic.
E.g. traffic coming in via router 1, going to the client/server and
going out via router 2. pf/pfsync sets up the session and replicates
states to the other machine - the connection is established.. but
I have massive problems with really transferring data (which means,
POP3 login works, small mails are downloaded, but then it interrupts).

Maybe I have mistakes in the pf.conf (I use the keep state everywhere..).
I am also not sure, if this setup is a clever idea.. anyone?

Regards,
Reto


>   I started working for a company that its production site is 
> running 2 
> PIX firewalls with no VRRP (to save cost on licensing, duh). 
> I offered 
> and they approved to replace them with 2 OpenBSD and CARP. In 
> front of 
> the FW there is a Cisco 7200 router doing BGP. I offered to 
> remove the 
> router and use OpenBGP on the OpenBSD firewalls instead, thus 
> achieving 
> failover on BGP too. But I don't know whether this is a good idea or 
> should I add 2 more OpenBSD systems specifically for BPG?
> 
> 
> TIA
> Paolo
> 
> PS - The FWs will be single CPU Dell PowerEdge 1850 systems with 
> (probably) 1GB RAM.



OpenBGP on firewall

2006-02-16 Thread Paolo Supino

Hi

 I started working for a company that its production site is running 2 
PIX firewalls with no VRRP (to save cost on licensing, duh). I offered 
and they approved to replace them with 2 OpenBSD and CARP. In front of 
the FW there is a Cisco 7200 router doing BGP. I offered to remove the 
router and use OpenBGP on the OpenBSD firewalls instead, thus achieving 
failover on BGP too. But I don't know whether this is a good idea or 
should I add 2 more OpenBSD systems specifically for BPG?



TIA
Paolo

PS - The FWs will be single CPU Dell PowerEdge 1850 systems with 
(probably) 1GB RAM.