Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
On 4/7/24 03:03, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: Hello i have 1 DELL Latitude E4300 that had OBSD 7.3 working correctly, but i decided to do a clean installation of 7.5 deleting everything on it with a live cd linux; then tested 7.5 and it says NO disk. After that i tested Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD all them where installed without a problem; But, OBSD 7.3 7.4 7.5 said NO disk! It is something related to OBSD? What could happened? How to install OBSD 7.5 PS: Thanks for the new version 7.5 i run 2 laptops and 1 server with it! Thanks So OpenBSD has been correctly installed, thanks so much to maintain it nice! The problem was with the BIOS, it needs IHCH or something like that to be recognized! But it is working now as a xfce Desktop! probably AHCI and not the so-called RAID mode that many Dells default to, but definitely not Dell only "feature". This is our 25+ year "friend", BIOS assisted software RAID. The idea is the BIOS will handle initial tagging and replication of the drive until the OS is booted, then the OS takes over as it takes over the low-level disk support. This handles the "boot off any surviving disk" issue, but it creates a huge potential issue where a drive might end up being duplicated by the BIOS to a second disk...unintended! This would be bad. Not only could you clobber data on a second drive, but in the modern world of UUIDs for disks, you just put two disks on the same system with the same "uniq" identifiers, and one of those disks is very incomplete. This is also bad. OpenBSD disabled this "RAID" mode support over ten years ago (from memory), FreeBSD did around the same time, and a number of Linux distros took their time, but eventually did the same thing. Now...this was true on OpenBSD 7.3 as well, so something changed on your computer, I'm suspicious your CMOS battery has died, and the system came back up in the defaults, which include this RAID "feature". Nick.
Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 05:17:25PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 12:03:21AM -0700, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: Hello i have 1 DELL Latitude E4300 that had OBSD 7.3 working correctly, but i decided to do a clean installation of 7.5 deleting everything on it with a live cd linux; then tested 7.5 and it says NO disk. After that i tested Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD all them where installed without a problem; But, OBSD 7.3 7.4 7.5 said NO disk! [ ... ] Seems to be (not only) a DELL thing: Some time ago I tried an Openbsd installer on an Alienware computer, ~10 years old, which was sold by DELL: In UEFI, IIRC, I had to change sata mode from "raid" to "ahci" to let openbsd detect hard disks on that computer. Seems to an older issue: https://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10228 https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg153583.html IIRC, Debian, Fedora, Windows installed without problems on that machine: at least in my case it might be a problem with a BIOS version too old for an openbsd install - not being sure .. Found an article on dell.com titled: "Recommended BIOS Settings for your Linux System" that says: "Linux does not natively support SATA Operation in RAID On mode as of May 2022." Dell later in the article recommends to switch on AHCI for SATA mode: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000123462/recommended-bios-settings-for-your-linux-system -- Wolfgang
Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 05:17:25PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 12:03:21AM -0700, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: So OpenBSD has been correctly installed, thanks so much to maintain it nice! The problem was with the BIOS, it needs IHCH or something like that to be recognized! But it is working now as a xfce Desktop! Seems to be (not only) a DELL thing: Some time ago I tried an Openbsd installer on an Alienware computer, ~10 years old, which was sold by DELL: In UEFI, IIRC, I had to change sata mode from "raid" to "ahci" to let openbsd detect hard disks on that computer. Correction: IIRC, at least the USB-thumb with the installer on it was detected with RAID mode enabled - but that was about it ... ;) So: no hard disk, no SSD etc. that were detected ... -- Wolfgang
Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 05:17:25PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > > > The problem was with the BIOS, it needs IHCH or something like that to be > > recognized! > > But it is working now as a xfce Desktop! > > Seems to be (not only) a DELL thing: Some time ago I tried an Openbsd > installer on an Alienware computer, ~10 years old, which was sold by > DELL: In UEFI, IIRC, I had to change sata mode from "raid" to "ahci" > to let openbsd detect hard disks on that computer. > > Seems to an older issue: > https://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10228 > https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg153583.html Adding to that list, my experience with an ASUS laptop where it would be physically impossible to fit more than one storage device, but the storage controller anyway was set to "Raid" mode by default. Fortunately it was possible to choose the other options and have the device turn up as a regular NMVe device: https://nxdomain.no/~peter/blog_wild_wild_world_of_windows.html (or with incrementally nicer formatting at the cost of G's trackers, https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-impending-doom-of-your-operating.html) -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 12:03:21AM -0700, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: Hello i have 1 DELL Latitude E4300 that had OBSD 7.3 working correctly, but i decided to do a clean installation of 7.5 deleting everything on it with a live cd linux; then tested 7.5 and it says NO disk. After that i tested Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD all them where installed without a problem; But, OBSD 7.3 7.4 7.5 said NO disk! [ ... ] So OpenBSD has been correctly installed, thanks so much to maintain it nice! The problem was with the BIOS, it needs IHCH or something like that to be recognized! But it is working now as a xfce Desktop! Seems to be (not only) a DELL thing: Some time ago I tried an Openbsd installer on an Alienware computer, ~10 years old, which was sold by DELL: In UEFI, IIRC, I had to change sata mode from "raid" to "ahci" to let openbsd detect hard disks on that computer. Seems to an older issue: https://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10228 https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg153583.html IIRC, Debian, Fedora, Windows installed without problems on that machine: at least in my case it might be a problem with a BIOS version too old for an openbsd install - not being sure .. -- Wolfgang
Re: 7.5 NO hard drive?
> Hello > > i have 1 DELL Latitude E4300 that had OBSD 7.3 working correctly, but i > decided to do a clean installation of 7.5 deleting everything on it with a > live cd linux; then tested 7.5 and it says NO disk. > > After that i tested Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD all them where installed > without a problem; But, OBSD 7.3 7.4 7.5 said NO disk! > > It is something related to OBSD? > What could happened? > How to install OBSD 7.5 > > PS: > Thanks for the new version 7.5 i run 2 laptops and 1 server with it! > > Thanks > So OpenBSD has been correctly installed, thanks so much to maintain it nice! The problem was with the BIOS, it needs IHCH or something like that to be recognized! But it is working now as a xfce Desktop!
