Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
On 07/03/2006, at 6:53 AM, Openbsd User wrote: What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). $ sudo bioctl ami0 Volume Status Size Device ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 0 Online 146811125760 0:0.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY 1 Online 146811125760 0:1.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY Does this mean that there are two drives in my system working as raid device? Yes, a RAID1 config to be precice. -Otto in my fstab, I have them all mounted as sd0 but I planned on writing a backup script to archive the important data to the other drive. So I need to access sd1. Is that possible without reinstalling? it seems to me that you are still not understanding what is happening here. i get the impression that you want to write these backup scripts to avoid data loss in the event of a disk failure? you are right about the computer having two physical disks. however, these are plugged into a raid controller, which is configured to mirror the two physical disks. the operating system (openbsd) only sees this mirror, not the actual disks. if one of the physical disks fails, the raid controller will continue to happily use the other disk. you wont lose data, and you wont lose uptime either since the system is still running. to recover from the disk failure simply swap the bad disk out and the controller should mirror from the good disk to the new disk and regain its redundancy. if you're only trying to avoid data loss when a disk fails, then stop writing your backups scripts and start writing a cronjob that mails you when bioctl reports one of your disks as failed. dlg
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
it seems to me that you are still not understanding what is happening here. i get the impression that you want to write these backup scripts to avoid data loss in the event of a disk failure? not just a disk failure but mostly in case my client does something that they shouldn't and realize it a few days later. I'm only trying to create a archive of backups. So it would backup the sytem every day and every week it would save one of the backups to another directory while continuing to overwrite the other weekly backups and doing the same with a monthly backup while overwriting the weekly backups. So I would have 7 daily backups, 52 weekly backups and 12 yearly backups when the system is full. if you're only trying to avoid data loss when a disk fails, then stop writing your backups scripts and start writing a cronjob that mails you when bioctl reports one of your disks as failed. Do I have to parse sudo bioctl ami0 or is there a way to run bioctl and get an true/false value for the alarm status? I tried sudo bioctl ami0 -a get ami0 but that returns a value reporting wether or not the alarm is enabled. Thanks! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
If you want backups get a tape drive. Do not rely on disk for backups, especially if they are in the same machine. If you don't know how to do this I advice you to get some consulting. You are asking very basic administration questions and these lists are not the appropriate forum for that. On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 07:52:32AM -0800, Openbsd User wrote: it seems to me that you are still not understanding what is happening here. i get the impression that you want to write these backup scripts to avoid data loss in the event of a disk failure? not just a disk failure but mostly in case my client does something that they shouldn't and realize it a few days later. I'm only trying to create a archive of backups. So it would backup the sytem every day and every week it would save one of the backups to another directory while continuing to overwrite the other weekly backups and doing the same with a monthly backup while overwriting the weekly backups. So I would have 7 daily backups, 52 weekly backups and 12 yearly backups when the system is full. if you're only trying to avoid data loss when a disk fails, then stop writing your backups scripts and start writing a cronjob that mails you when bioctl reports one of your disks as failed. Do I have to parse sudo bioctl ami0 or is there a way to run bioctl and get an true/false value for the alarm status? I tried sudo bioctl ami0 -a get ami0 but that returns a value reporting wether or not the alarm is enabled. Thanks! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
If you want backups get a tape drive. Do not rely on disk for backups, especially if they are in the same machine. If you don't know how to do this I advice you to get some consulting. You are asking very basic administration questions and these lists are not the appropriate forum for that. I don't have the money for a tape drive. They are expensive. And most people are not writing bioctl so these questions are not very basic. Thanks for your help before but give me a break here, I'm reading the man pages, I'm trying. Basicially you are saying if you don't know the answer then it might be a good question. Fuck that. http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0800, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total If they are both identical but only one shows up. I never noticed this before. I have three servers with the same problem. Is this just the way scsi drives are handled? I've got another OpenBSD server with two sata drives in it and I can see them both in the dmesg... you have to set scsi targets to different values on all your drives on the same scsi bus. cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
From: mickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Openbsd User [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:56:58 +0100 On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0800, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total If they are both identical but only one shows up. I never noticed this before. I have three servers with the same problem. Is this just the way scsi drives are handled? I've got another OpenBSD server with two sata drives in it and I can see them both in the dmesg... you have to set scsi targets to different values on all your drives on the same scsi bus. cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained) My server is at my collocation facility. Is there a way to find this out without actually being there or do I have to go there and shut down the machine and open it up? _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total Your card is a RAID card. It is very likely your two dirves have gotten themselves into the default mirroring setup, forming one logical drive. What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). -Otto If they are both identical but only one shows up. I never noticed this before. I have three servers with the same problem. Is this just the way scsi drives are handled? I've got another OpenBSD server with two sata drives in it and I can see them both in the dmesg... Help! Please _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:08:03AM -0800, Openbsd User wrote: From: mickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Openbsd User [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:56:58 +0100 On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 10:29:31AM -0800, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total If they are both identical but only one shows up. I never noticed this before. I have three servers with the same problem. Is this just the way scsi drives are handled? I've got another OpenBSD server with two sata drives in it and I can see them both in the dmesg... you have to set scsi targets to different values on all your drives on the same scsi bus. cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained) My server is at my collocation facility. Is there a way to find this out without actually being there or do I have to go there and shut down the machine and open it up? even more -- you will have to power it off and pull the drives out. then find out where the jumpers are (: cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
From: Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Openbsd User [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:13:19 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total Your card is a RAID card. It is very likely your two dirves have gotten themselves into the default mirroring setup, forming one logical drive. What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). $ sudo bioctl ami0 Volume Status Size Device ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 0 Online 146811125760 0:0.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY 1 Online 146811125760 0:1.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY Does this mean that there are two drives in my system working as raid device? http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Openbsd User wrote: From: Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Openbsd User [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:13:19 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total Your card is a RAID card. It is very likely your two dirves have gotten themselves into the default mirroring setup, forming one logical drive. What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). $ sudo bioctl ami0 Volume Status Size Device ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 0 Online 146811125760 0:0.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY 1 Online 146811125760 0:1.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY Does this mean that there are two drives in my system working as raid device? Yes, a RAID1 config to be precice. -Otto
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
Openbsd User wrote: From: Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Openbsd User [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives... Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:13:19 +0100 (CET) On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Openbsd User wrote: I've got two hard scsi drives in my server but the dmesg only says there is one: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: AMI, Host drive #00, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 69880MB, 8908 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 143114240 sec total Your card is a RAID card. It is very likely your two dirves have gotten themselves into the default mirroring setup, forming one logical drive. What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). $ sudo bioctl ami0 Volume Status Size Device ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 0 Online 146811125760 0:0.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY 1 Online 146811125760 0:1.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY Does this mean that there are two drives in my system working as raid device? Looks like it. ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 Raid 1 = mirroring However, I see there's only 69880 MB available (sd0: 69880MB), and your drives are both 146 GB (MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY: is a 146 GB drive)
Re: I can't find my scsi hard drives...
What does bioctl ami0 say (assuming you have at least 3.8, next time post a complete dmesg!). $ sudo bioctl ami0 Volume Status Size Device ami0 0 Online 146695782400 sd0 RAID1 0 Online 146811125760 0:0.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY 1 Online 146811125760 0:1.0 safte0 MAXTOR ATLAS10K5_146SCAJNZY Does this mean that there are two drives in my system working as raid device? Yes, a RAID1 config to be precice. -Otto So is there a way to break the raid remotely without taking the server down? $ cat /etc/fstab /dev/sd0a / ffs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0g /home ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 /dev/sd0e /swap ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 /dev/sd0f /tmp ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 /dev/sd0j /usr ffs rw,nodev 1 2 /dev/sd0k /usr/local ffs rw,nodev 1 2 /dev/sd0d /var ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 /dev/sd0h /var/mail ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 /dev/sd0i /var/www ffs rw,nodev,nosuid 1 2 in my fstab, I have them all mounted as sd0 but I planned on writing a backup script to archive the important data to the other drive. So I need to access sd1. Is that possible without reinstalling? _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
