Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
Thanks. 2010/9/18 Jasper Valentijn jasper.valent...@gmail.com: 2010/9/18 Jordi Espasa jespa...@minibofh.org: Francisco, I'm sorry but Jacob words' are correct. I've not so much simpathy for the author, but anyway it's a good start point to correct your manners: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html +1 -- We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve telling them to sit down and shut up.
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
Francisco, I'm sorry but Jacob words' are correct. I've not so much simpathy for the author, but anyway it's a good start point to correct your manners: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
2010/9/18 Jordi Espasa jespa...@minibofh.org: Francisco, I'm sorry but Jacob words' are correct. I've not so much simpathy for the author, but anyway it's a good start point to correct your manners: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html +1 -- We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve telling them to sit down and shut up.
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 02:16, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh I've used OpenBSD for a couple of years now as access-point/gateway/dns/dhcp/web-server/svn-server in a medium sized environment with no issues (except MANUALLY screwing up, but that's just my fault). Since you've used OpenBSD for some time, you must know it's greatly stable and secure. If you ever run into trouble, you'll always have an excellent documentation to turn to. Remember; a software program is as good as it's documentation. OpenBSD's documentation is the best. Just be sure that whoever wants this server (in case it's not for you), won't want ridiculous fancy GUIs to monitor/configure everything. Other than that, I'd say go for it. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Vijay Sankar wrote: Are you looking for someone to tell you to just go ahead and use OpenBSD for production purposes? It is hard for someone to take on that responsibility and that may be why some of the responses sound harsh to you. Responsibility? What OS do you expect will recommend in an OpenBSD list? -- Daniel Bolgheroni dan...@bolgh.eng.br FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.fei.edu.br ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
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Thanks for the replys, I'm reading your mails with much attention. I had OpenBSD in my home/office acting as AP/Firewall. A months ago, I run my website using the blogsum software under 4.6, whenever, I don't have experience handling multiple users under chroot, and web services for many users. Regards. 2010/9/17 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 02:16, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh I've used OpenBSD for a couple of years now as access-point/gateway/dns/dhcp/web-server/svn-server in a medium sized environment with no issues (except MANUALLY screwing up, but that's just my fault). Since you've used OpenBSD for some time, you must know it's greatly stable and secure. If you ever run into trouble, you'll always have an excellent documentation to turn to. Remember; a software program is as good as it's documentation. OpenBSD's documentation is the best. Just be sure that whoever wants this server (in case it's not for you), won't want ridiculous fancy GUIs to monitor/configure everything. Other than that, I'd say go for it. -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
2010/9/17 Daniel B. dan...@bolgh.eng.br: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Vijay Sankar wrote: Are you looking for someone to tell you to just go ahead and use OpenBSD for production purposes? It is hard for someone to take on that responsibility and that may be why some of the responses sound harsh to you. Responsibility? What OS do you expect will recommend in an OpenBSD list? Obviously here, OpenBSD is the choice. ! No problem. -- Daniel Bolgheroni dan...@bolgh.eng.br FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.fei.edu.br ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
On 09/15/10 23:16, Francisco Valladolid wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! What exactly are you trying to run? I have been using an OpenBSD server for years, but with a low load. I run httpd, mod_perl, mod_gzip, sendmail, dovecot, postgreSQL and mysql, plus spamd and a variety of my own local scripts. (Actually I just moved my mysql database over to PostgreSQL, so I am dropping using mysql). I have had no serious problems except once when I updated to a newer -current that required me to manually use ports to get in sync with a change not yet in packages. However I got a lot of help with that and I could easily do it myself now. I doubt that happens very often though. As always, some unusual set ups are better served by non OpenBSD servers, but not many. I can basically leave my server alone now, except for dealing with Apache access log now and then. Updating has now become very easy! Chris Bennett
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
On 09/16/10 10:14, Francisco Valladolid wrote: :D Always pathetic The subject say, advices: suggestions and recomendations. This list is for Advanced users or for misc topics ? There are a people that can reply honestly and funny. While I can read the mail archives and seach in internet, I need fresh ideas for new projects and heard the experience voice. stupid people ask stupid questions, case in point is your mail. anybody who has any experience with the things you describe knows that you cannot design a solution without knowing a lot more details about the application. your question is very vague and far too open ended. - what volume of traffic is coming to each service? - are there machines already in place that perform these functions? - what do you aim to accomplish besides simply using openbsd instead of another OS? without at least this much information you cannot expect a reasonable reply. the questions you posed are so unbelievably open ended that someone could write a whole fucking book in repsonse: I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. it would make for a long book title but i think people would get the point. Regards. 2010/9/16 Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojedaacam...@verlet.org: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh You should start by trying to do your homework... Read the mail archives, and do specific questions.
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2010/9/16 Jacob Yocom-Piatt j...@fixedpointgroup.com: On 09/16/10 10:14, Francisco Valladolid wrote: :D Always pathetic The subject say, advices: suggestions and recomendations. This list is for Advanced users or for misc topics ? There are a people that can reply honestly and funny. While I can read the mail archives and seach in internet, I need fresh ideas for new projects and heard the experience voice. stupid people ask stupid questions, case in point is your mail. anybody who has any experience with the things you describe knows that you cannot design a solution without knowing a lot more details about the application. your question is very vague and far too open ended. - what volume of traffic is coming to each service? - are there machines already in place that perform these functions? - what do you aim to accomplish besides simply using openbsd instead of another OS? without at least this much information you cannot expect a reasonable reply. the questions you posed are so unbelievably open ended that someone could write a whole fucking book in repsonse: I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. it would make for a long book title but i think people would get the point. Regards. 2010/9/16 Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojedaacam...@verlet.org: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh You should start by trying to do your homework... Read the mail archives, and do specific questions. More stupid is people without considerations. I think, my initial mail say, ideas, comments about the experiences of people using OpenBSD is a productions environment; You maybe reply, it's good, my setup is the next per example... if you are thinking in a big cluster, this is not my case. Don't problem, I want to stop the thread about the stupid question (according to you) , whenever I want to thank you to Chris Bennett for you honest reply. Thanks and so long. -- ficovh
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
Francisco Valladolid wrote: :D Always pathetic The subject say, advices: suggestions and recomendations. This list is for Advanced users or for misc topics ? There are a people that can reply honestly and funny. While I can read the mail archives and seach in internet, I need fresh ideas for new projects and heard the experience voice. Regards. 2010/9/16 Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda acam...@verlet.org: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh You should start by trying to do your homework... Read the mail archives, and do specific questions. Hi, Since you have used OpenBSD for a long time, probably you know quite a bit already. Are you looking for someone to tell you to just go ahead and use OpenBSD for production purposes? It is hard for someone to take on that responsibility and that may be why some of the responses sound harsh to you. GWIW, I will give you my experience. I have used OpenBSD for production purposes since version 2.7 (may have been earlier -- I just checked my OpenBSD CDs and the earliest I see is version 2.7 :) and always use it at customer sites whenever it is possible/practical. Occasionally, I do have to justify OpenBSD because someone has read marketing information from various vendors or have read a portion of a thread in one of the lists. But that has not been difficult due to the following reasons. OpenBSD is a great platform for DNS, email, web, database, and other application services. It can be a great firewall and VPN concentrator and has very good documentation and real support from knowledgeable developers. So I don't see any disadvantages in using it. As far as the mailing lists are concerned, you may find people here are far more friendly if you ask a specific question that has not been addressed before. The typical person on this mailing list has many things to do, is probably managing complicated networks or is a serious developer, and you may see them snap at you if your question has been asked and answered earlier. After all they are human too and it is difficult to answer open ended questions. I hope this helps you. Vijay -- Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng. ForeTell Technologies Limited 59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6 Phone: (204) 885-9535, E-Mail: vsan...@foretell.ca
Re: Suggest, Recomendations and advices
I think the sentiment of the original email is that Francisco just wants to hear from people who are using OpenBSD in production. I'm in a similar position as a long time OpenBSD user, but having never put it under load. The cost for colocation has always been a barrier as a less expensive alternative always seems to exist. I run a few low traffic web sites, and am planning to make the switch from Linux VPS's to a pair of co-located OpenBSD machines within the next 6 months. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Vijay Sankar vsan...@foretell.ca wrote: Francisco Valladolid wrote: :D Always pathetic The subject say, advices: suggestions and recomendations. This list is for Advanced users or for misc topics ? There are a people that can reply honestly and funny. While I can read the mail archives and seach in internet, I need fresh ideas for new projects and heard the experience voice. Regards. 2010/9/16 Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda acam...@verlet.org: On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Francisco Valladolid fcovh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm using OpenBSD in my home and laptops machines from severals years ago, from 2.8 release. But I have never used this in a production environment, today I have the need to mount mail services / web / dns. I need ideas, comments, regarding the performance of OpenBSD in a production environment. Advantages, disadvantages and because I use OpenBSD. Perhaps the answers I know, but would listen. Greetings. P.S. Viva Mexico. ! -- ficovh You should start by trying to do your homework... Read the mail archives, and do specific questions. Hi, Since you have used OpenBSD for a long time, probably you know quite a bit already. Are you looking for someone to tell you to just go ahead and use OpenBSD for production purposes? It is hard for someone to take on that responsibility and that may be why some of the responses sound harsh to you. GWIW, I will give you my experience. I have used OpenBSD for production purposes since version 2.7 (may have been earlier -- I just checked my OpenBSD CDs and the earliest I see is version 2.7 :) and always use it at customer sites whenever it is possible/practical. Occasionally, I do have to justify OpenBSD because someone has read marketing information from various vendors or have read a portion of a thread in one of the lists. But that has not been difficult due to the following reasons. OpenBSD is a great platform for DNS, email, web, database, and other application services. It can be a great firewall and VPN concentrator and has very good documentation and real support from knowledgeable developers. So I don't see any disadvantages in using it. As far as the mailing lists are concerned, you may find people here are far more friendly if you ask a specific question that has not been addressed before. The typical person on this mailing list has many things to do, is probably managing complicated networks or is a serious developer, and you may see them snap at you if your question has been asked and answered earlier. After all they are human too and it is difficult to answer open ended questions. I hope this helps you. Vijay -- Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng. ForeTell Technologies Limited 59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6 Phone: (204) 885-9535, E-Mail: vsan...@foretell.ca
