Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
EU bank transfer - Receipt Sender: Jens Ropers Recipient: OpenBSD Oostveld Kouter 13 9920 Lovendegem Belgium IBAN: BE93737017743767 BIC-/SWIFT-Code:KREDBEBB Amount: 10.00 EUR Comment:Jens Ropers I cannot afford anything right now but I just had to send this as a response to Timo Schoelers BS mail. Your EU bank transfer order has been dispatched on 04.11.2007 at 11:50 h. PS: Anybody else care to join me and chip in on this occasion? See http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:36:24 +0100: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: Timo-- There are two ways to read your email: 1. You are trying to make a point about how to best lead the OpenBSD project. 2. You're being a jerk who's venting some kind of irrational pent up anger, and you're trying to publicly smear and humuliate Theo. In case it's (1): I don't know if you noticed, but OpenBSD is under the BSD license. Theo and most OpenBSD developers espouse a no-nonsense, tell-the-truth-consequences-be-darned, code-is-better-than-emails, shut-up-and-hack, it's-about-the-fucking-code-stupid approach. If you really believe that your way works better, go ahead and fork. Make your TimoBSD, where you are absolutely free to set the tone in any way you want. If you really believe that your way works better, then prove your point. Put your words into action and see if you attract more and better developers and if you can produce better code with TimoBSD. OpenBSD is widely considered the most secure OS bar none, has only had 2 remote exploits in over 10 years, yadda, yadda, yadda. The NetBSD bellends argued similarly to what's in your email, and OpenBSD, after starting as a NetBSD fork, is now twice as popular as NetBSD, without even ever trying to win any kind of popularity contests. ( http://tinyurl.com/28zowl ) I dare say, Theo has been proved correct. But again, if you want to revisit the old and lame style-vs-substance debate, go right ahead. Code is better than emails. Try to make TimoBSD have better code than OpenBSD with your style over substance approach. I dare you and I double-dare you. See how far you get. Which part of my email did you actually read _and_ understand? The subject? In case it's (2): I have recently learned that it can on occasion be quite helpful to seek assistance from qualified mental health professionals. I would kindly suggest you do the same. Too little, too late, pal. You have to _learn_ polemics before trying to use it. Sincerely, --ropers Best regards, Timo iD8DBQFHLayjUY3eBSqOgOMRCnoPAJ0YNmy88nHnz2bxdDB9nUFdU0ckRQCdFbPj qcVnuYYDkxdrOvPZp7HxN8k= =NUjT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Graham Gower [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:29:06 +1030: On 04/11/2007, Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hi Timo, Could you please stop spamming the mailing lists I subscribe to. Your list? Or have something to hide? :) I'm only interested in the technical discussions. No, you are not, that's why you responded. Just hitting the 'delete' button of you MUA or pressing the appropriate keystrokes would have deleted the message you are complaining about loudly; responding eats many more CPU cycles. Thanks, Graham You're welcome, Timo :) iD8DBQFHLa1lUY3eBSqOgOMRCkZPAJwMeltAz2s9V74Nh87jSadNiCguOQCgii7c aWGdpFuydLNmQtAqcMmfMuE= =ZQcy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
On 11/4/07, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: Not feeding a troll is better than posting childish replies like the one you posted. regards VK
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:40:35 +: On 11/4/07, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: Not feeding a troll is better than posting childish replies like the one you posted. regards VK What is a troll, btw? Someone who's raising a discussion to keep something alive or enhance things? Best regards, Timo iD8DBQFHLb3rUY3eBSqOgOMRCgr4AKCI71WibABmEynLYmI5Cr1ukxeu5gCdE/uM gbefugBE2pQ7aQMVKpfJUQg= =Ep1E -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
On 04/11/2007, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: (...) If you really believe that your way works better, go ahead and fork. Make your TimoBSD, where you are absolutely free to set the tone in any way you want. If you really believe that your way works better, then prove your point. Put your words into action and see if you attract more and better developers and if you can produce better code with TimoBSD. OpenBSD is widely considered the most secure OS bar none, has only had 2 remote exploits in over 10 years, yadda, yadda, yadda. The NetBSD bellends argued similarly to what's in your email, and OpenBSD, after starting as a NetBSD fork, is now twice as popular as NetBSD, without even ever trying to win any kind of popularity contests. ( http://tinyurl.com/28zowl ) I dare say, Theo has been proved correct. But again, if you want to revisit the old and lame style-vs-substance debate, go right ahead. Code is better than emails. Try to make TimoBSD have better code than OpenBSD with your style over substance approach. I dare you and I double-dare you. See how far you get. Second thought, you don't even have to fork. Your TimoBSD already exists. It's called NetBSD. You can go right ahead and join them. They rule by committee, they are known to have been nice (i.e. politically correct but inhumane and bonkers**), and I'm sure with your masterful efforts you will lead them to world domination. --ropers **For crissakes, they even substituted their really cool logo with a bland flag, for fear of offending their valued anti-swearing, evolution-denying reborn US-American Christian audience.
Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world' (was: Re: OT: Re: version info )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0100: On 04/11/2007, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but Sorry, Could Not Resist: (...) If you really believe that your way works better, go ahead and fork. Make your TimoBSD, where you are absolutely free to set the tone in any way you want. If you really believe that your way works better, then prove your point. Put your words into action and see if you attract more and better developers and if you can produce better code with TimoBSD. OpenBSD is widely considered the most secure OS bar none, has only had 2 remote exploits in over 10 years, yadda, yadda, yadda. The NetBSD bellends argued similarly to what's in your email, and OpenBSD, after starting as a NetBSD fork, is now twice as popular as NetBSD, without even ever trying to win any kind of popularity contests. ( http://tinyurl.com/28zowl ) I dare say, Theo has been proved correct. But again, if you want to revisit the old and lame style-vs-substance debate, go right ahead. Code is better than emails. Try to make TimoBSD have better code than OpenBSD with your style over substance approach. I dare you and I double-dare you. See how far you get. Second thought, you don't even have to fork. Your TimoBSD already exists. It's called NetBSD. You developer are _that_ bad in logic? YMMD, thanks. You can go right ahead and join them. Where's your facts? I pointed out how OpenBSD could receive more donations. They rule by committee, You missed the recent developments WRT Wasabi. You obviously miss the point that without NetBSD OpenBSD would just _not exist_. (There's it again, this 'logic' thingie.) they are known to have been nice (i.e. politically correct but inhumane and bonkers**), and I'm sure with your masterful efforts you will lead them to world domination. Talk to your psychiatrist, maybe (s)he really can fix your problem, just to paraphrase you. --ropers **For crissakes, they even substituted their really cool logo with a bland flag, for fear of offending their valued anti-swearing, evolution-denying reborn US-American Christian audience. Is that _my_ problem? Best wishes, Timo iD8DBQFHLeFbUY3eBSqOgOMRCqi/AJ9XE44WQLru5oq3OSas0lsmGkPHJwCdESmX 095eKaY0EVYzb64rhVSoRCM= =Sq0s -END PGP SIGNATURE-
