Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
On 06/29/2015 02:32 PM, Timo Tijhof wrote: Yes, it include all users who have used activated their user account in some way after 2015-01-01 00:00:00. Merely reading pages while logged-in usually will not trigger such touch. Logging in, changing preferences, and other actions do set the touch timestamp however. Remember that user sessions don't last forever. Currently, Wikimedia wikis have a session expiration of 30 days. This means users visiting frequently will still log in at least once 30 days if they want to remain logged-in while visiting. user_touched is also bumped whenever someone leaves a notification on your talk page[1], which we just did for a *lot* of inactive users during SUL finalization. If you want to figure out when someone last logged in, you can use the accountaudit tables. But those are local and not global and will likely go away soon. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_table#user_touched -- Legoktm ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
[WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
Can you clarify what active means? Does that mean users visiting the page on a daily basis or does it relate to editors or something else? I'm keen to understand if some of these accounts are dormant and unused or are frequently logged into. On 29 Jun 2015 11:16 am, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. Expect the ratio of users with obscure configuration settings to sharply rise when you look at groups with higher activity. E.g. a year ago, when I looked up various stats for the MediaViewer launch, non-Vector usage was 5% for users who edited Wikipedia in the last 30 days, and 15% for those who made at least 100 edits in the last 30 days. Non-Monobook usage also grows (over a percent for very active editors). ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
Timo, would you please clarify on the definition of active? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify what active means? Does that mean users visiting the page on a daily basis or does it relate to editors or something else? I'm keen to understand if some of these accounts are dormant and unused or are frequently logged into. On 29 Jun 2015 11:16 am, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
I specified that in the original mail but I guess that got lost: Active here relates to the MediaWiki user_touched database field. This is set whenever the user logs in, as well as after various other actions that users can perform. — Timo On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:47, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Timo, would you please clarify on the definition of active? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com mailto:jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify what active means? Does that mean users visiting the page on a daily basis or does it relate to editors or something else? I'm keen to understand if some of these accounts are dormant and unused or are frequently logged into. On 29 Jun 2015 11:16 am, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org mailto:ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org http://commons.wikimedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org http://commons.wikimedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org http://commons.wikimedia.org/, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
Timo - so to clarify these are users who have logged in since 2015-01-01 ? It is possible to get a sense of whether they come back? e.g. What if someone registered on 2015-01-01, switched to Monobook and never came back - are they included? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Timo Tijhof ttij...@wikimedia.org wrote: I specified that in the original mail but I guess that got lost: Active here relates to the MediaWiki user_touched database field. This is set whenever the user logs in, as well as after various other actions that users can perform. — Timo On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:47, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Timo, would you please clarify on the definition of active? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify what active means? Does that mean users visiting the page on a daily basis or does it relate to editors or something else? I'm keen to understand if some of these accounts are dormant and unused or are frequently logged into. On 29 Jun 2015 11:16 am, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
Yes, it include all users who have used activated their user account in some way after 2015-01-01 00:00:00. Merely reading pages while logged-in usually will not trigger such touch. Logging in, changing preferences, and other actions do set the touch timestamp however. Remember that user sessions don't last forever. Currently, Wikimedia wikis have a session expiration of 30 days. This means users visiting frequently will still log in at least once 30 days if they want to remain logged-in while visiting. As included below, I also ran the same query for users active since 2015-03-01. This helps to get a sense of the drop off (or comeback). — Timo On 29 Jun 2015, at 22:19, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Timo - so to clarify these are users who have logged in since 2015-01-01 ? It is possible to get a sense of whether they come back? e.g. What if someone registered on 2015-01-01, switched to Monobook and never came back - are they included? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Timo Tijhof ttij...@wikimedia.org wrote: I specified that in the original mail but I guess that got lost: Active here relates to the MediaWiki user_touched database field. This is set whenever the user logs in, as well as after various other actions that users can perform. — Timo On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:47, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Timo, would you please clarify on the definition of active? On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify what active means? Does that mean users visiting the page on a daily basis or does it relate to editors or something else? I'm keen to understand if some of these accounts are dormant and unused or are frequently logged into. On 29 Jun 2015 11:16 am, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. -Adam ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Re: [WikimediaMobile] Skins Usage Data
And just to be clear -- everybody who has browsed the site but has not logged in (i.e. the vast majority of our readers) will be using Vector? thanks for putting this together. -Toby On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it was Joaquin, Sam, and Bryan with whom I discussed relative skins usage on some popular skins, in the context of which skins Reading is on the hook for in the sense of full maintenance or high priority fixes (even if only coordinating) when issues arise. Here's that data, based on some queries Timo ran recently (thanks, Timo!). * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=cologneblue: 7k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01, skin=monobook: 193k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-01-01: 3.1m users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 6k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 179k users. * en.wikipedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 2.3m users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=cologneblue: 1k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01, skin=monobook: 59k users. * commons.wikimedia.org, users active since 2015-03-01: 687k users. Expect the ratio of users with obscure configuration settings to sharply rise when you look at groups with higher activity. E.g. a year ago, when I looked up various stats for the MediaViewer launch, non-Vector usage was 5% for users who edited Wikipedia in the last 30 days, and 15% for those who made at least 100 edits in the last 30 days. Non-Monobook usage also grows (over a percent for very active editors). ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l ___ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
