Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
All I am afraid, members are disregarding my request. 1 Folks are responding to mails which are having moderator in the subject line, which is violating the list guidelines. 2 I have specifically requested not to get into the keyboard debate. We have had many such rounds in the past and it is a pointless debate. It is incorrect to say there are no Android phones with keyboard in the market, the configuration is poor, and it is not a recommended device. Again, there are external keyboard options also available. If someone still wants to nag, then, use forrums like change.org to drive your point which can make a difference. Lamenting here shall give no solution. This thread is closed for all traffic. Harish Kotian Moderator - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. " Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Add on Bluetooth is an extra baggage and does not serve the purpose, for it is usually too small. We can get the market, even may sighted including senior citizens and not-so-techno savy people also vote for keypad phones. Only requirement is we should be able to think against the tide. Touch screen is fashionable, so be it. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:52 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Rajesh: Of course technically it supports physical key pad but manufacturers may not get big market. Also there is a huge development going on to improve accessibility. I think add-on Bluetooth key board may serve the purpose. Honestly I don't think we can convince device makers to come up with physical keyboard. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C On 22-May-2015, at 15:32, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Why not? I fully support keypad over touch screens.\ Does android OS technically prohibit interface with keypad? With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 11:41 AM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device All Appreciate all the comments and sentiments expressed in the mail. A request, not to start a debate on keyboard vs keyboardless devices. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 22 May 2015 10:08 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers Subject: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only good and useful screen reader on Android — though this was not always the case. Senior A
Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Add on Bluetooth is an extra baggage and does not serve the purpose, for it is usually too small. We can get the market, even may sighted including senior citizens and not-so-techno savy people also vote for keypad phones. Only requirement is we should be able to think against the tide. Touch screen is fashionable, so be it. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:52 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Rajesh: Of course technically it supports physical key pad but manufacturers may not get big market. Also there is a huge development going on to improve accessibility. I think add-on Bluetooth key board may serve the purpose. Honestly I don't think we can convince device makers to come up with physical keyboard. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C > On 22-May-2015, at 15:32, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > > Why not? > I fully support keypad over touch screens.\ Does android OS > technically prohibit interface with keypad? > > > With thanks and regards > > (Rajesh Asudani) > > AGM > MIU > Reserve Bank Of India > Nagpur > > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > President > VIBEWA > > Phone: 0712 2806846 > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > Laughter > > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of > Kotian, H P > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 11:41 AM > To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones > and Tabs. > Subject: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and > it Wants to Shine on your Android device > > All > Appreciate all the comments and sentiments expressed in the mail. > > A request, not to start a debate on keyboard vs keyboardless devices. > > Harish Kotian > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of > Asudani, Rajesh > Sent: 22 May 2015 10:08 > To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones > and Tabs. > Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants > to Shine on your Android device > > Good. > May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. > But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind > persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android > touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and > privacy on phone. > For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill > task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. > This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. > > > With thanks and regards > > (Rajesh Asudani) > > AGM > MIU > Reserve Bank Of India > Nagpur > > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > President > VIBEWA > > Phone: 0712 2806846 > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and > Laughter > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of > Bhavya shah > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM > To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers > Subject: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to > Shine on your Android device > > There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device > TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only > good and useful screen reader on Android — though this was not always the > case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around > 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and > speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how > accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. > Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under > Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a > daily driver. > And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 > megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine P
Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Rajesh: Of course technically it supports physical key pad but manufacturers may not get big market. Also there is a huge development going on to improve accessibility. I think add-on Bluetooth key board may serve the purpose. Honestly I don't think we can convince device makers to come up with physical keyboard. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C > On 22-May-2015, at 15:32, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > > Why not? > I fully support keypad over touch screens.\ > Does android OS technically prohibit interface with keypad? > > > With thanks and regards > > (Rajesh Asudani) > > AGM > MIU > Reserve Bank Of India > Nagpur > > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > President > VIBEWA > > Phone: 0712 2806846 > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter > > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H > P > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 11:41 AM > To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones > and Tabs. > Subject: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it > Wants to Shine on your Android device > > All > Appreciate all the comments and sentiments expressed in the mail. > > A request, not to start a debate on keyboard vs keyboardless devices. > > Harish Kotian > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, > Rajesh > Sent: 22 May 2015 10:08 > To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones > and Tabs. > Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine > on your Android device > > Good. > May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. > But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind > persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android > touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and > privacy on phone. > For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill > task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. > This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. > > > With thanks and regards > > (Rajesh Asudani) > > AGM > MIU > Reserve Bank Of India > Nagpur > > Co-Moderator > VIB-India > > President > VIBEWA > > Phone: 0712 2806846 > > A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter > > -Original Message- > From: Mobile.accessindia > [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya > shah > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM > To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers > Subject: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on > your Android device > > There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device > TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only > good and useful screen reader on Android — though this was not always the > case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around > 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and > speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how > accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. > Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under > Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a > daily driver. > And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 > megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is developed > by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the English text of the > program and manual is not constructed well, though this does not take away > from its functionality if you are willing to learn and be patient with the > interface. The manual can be found here in a text file form. > You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? > Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we must note > that it is a very special screen reader as it also includes a screen > magnifier and other tools for people who have high-partial vision. This means > that it not only is a screen reader, but also a magnifier at the same time. > In the Android world, that’s definitely a first, and this reason alone could > make it useful for many people, since changing the mode it operates in is > very simple. > When you first inst
Re: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
Why not? I fully support keypad over touch screens.\ Does android OS technically prohibit interface with keypad? With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 11:41 AM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: [Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device All Appreciate all the comments and sentiments expressed in the mail. A request, not to start a debate on keyboard vs keyboardless devices. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 22 May 2015 10:08 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers Subject: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only good and useful screen reader on Android — though this was not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a daily driver. And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the English text of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a text file form. You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that’s definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for many people, since changing the mode it operates in is very simple. When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call itself “Another Talkback screen reader”), you need to launch the application from your home screen to configure it. Here you will set your desired mode depending on the level of vision you have. First, the app will actually check whether you have Google TTS or the keyboard installed, and then will proceed to allow you the option to set your mode of preference. Once you press the back button, it will place you into the Accessibility settings of Android, where you will be given a list of available services. The three options are “based on voice support”, “based on letter expansion”, and “sight protection.” No, it will not protect you from the horrors of the sighted world — that latter choice is for those who need to have parts of the screen spoken outloud from time to time. It allows you to use a “candy bar” which you can pan around the screen and use to read parts of it accordingly. Voice support is what those who are completely blind will use, while the other one
[Mobile.AI] Moderator: RE: There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device
All Appreciate all the comments and sentiments expressed in the mail. A request, not to start a debate on keyboard vs keyboardless devices. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 22 May 2015 10:08 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device Good. May newer screen readers continue to shine on android. But, frankly, and here I believe I am speaking for most of totally blind persons above age of 35, that ease of symbian is surely missing in android touch screen phones, and I vehemently lament the loss of that ease and privacy on phone. For me, Even performing a simple task as forwarding messages is an uphill task even after trying and exploring touch screen for about eight months now. This will be the case until an android device with keypad comes along. With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) AGM MIU Reserve Bank Of India Nagpur Co-Moderator VIB-India President VIBEWA Phone: 0712 2806846 A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and Laughter -Original Message- From: Mobile.accessindia [mailto:mobile.accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:54 PM To: eyes-free; mobile.accessindia; keyboardusers Subject: [Mobile.AI] There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device There’s Another Screen Reader, and it Wants to Shine on your Android device TAMAS GECZY ON MAY 19, 2015 For the longest time, Talkback has been the only good and useful screen reader on Android — though this was not always the case. Senior Android users might fondly recall Spiel, which was alive around 2011 last, a screen reader that even surpassed Talkback in functionality and speed. Google then suddenly changed the entire framework for how accessibility is done on their platform, and Spiel was no more. Although current compiled releases of it can be run successfully even under Android 5.1, the code is not often maintained and needs a lot of work to be a daily driver. And then, without warning, a new contender came on to the scene. The 1 megabyte screen reader, which is technically called Shine Plus is developed by a Chinese company called ATLab. As a result, the English text of the program and manual is not constructed well, though this does not take away from its functionality if you are willing to learn and be patient with the interface. The manual can be found here in a text file form. You might be wondering, is it better than Talkback? Before we dive into some of the unique features of Shine plus, we must note that it is a very special screen reader as it also includes a screen magnifier and other tools for people who have high-partial vision. This means that it not only is a screen reader, but also a magnifier at the same time. In the Android world, that’s definitely a first, and this reason alone could make it useful for many people, since changing the mode it operates in is very simple. When you first install the Shine Plus application (it does not call itself “Another Talkback screen reader”), you need to launch the application from your home screen to configure it. Here you will set your desired mode depending on the level of vision you have. First, the app will actually check whether you have Google TTS or the keyboard installed, and then will proceed to allow you the option to set your mode of preference. Once you press the back button, it will place you into the Accessibility settings of Android, where you will be given a list of available services. The three options are “based on voice support”, “based on letter expansion”, and “sight protection.” No, it will not protect you from the horrors of the sighted world — that latter choice is for those who need to have parts of the screen spoken outloud from time to time. It allows you to use a “candy bar” which you can pan around the screen and use to read parts of it accordingly. Voice support is what those who are completely blind will use, while the other one (letter expansion) is for those who need letters zoomed bigger as they use their device. Once you have set your choice, enabling the screen reader is the next challenge. We have found that in most cases, it is impossible to press “OK” after the confirmation dialog appears which asks you to turn on Shine Plus. This is easy enough to resolve, though requires some agility. When you have reached the alert prompt to enable it, Pause Talkback either through the global context menu or the new volume up+ volume down key combination. Once paused, press near the bottom right corner of the screen, right above the home/back/recents button bar of your device. This will activate Shine plus, though you are not yet d
