Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select,
1. don't mind duplicating each others work a lot of the time or Regardless if we know a message has been moderated or not, if it has already been moderated if anyone else does the same thing and the message has already been moderated nothing happens. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select,
Hi Anne, *, On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: I do that for a very simple reason; so all of this group is aware of what's happening. As the explanation that follows is rather longish, here the short-form: the decision whether a mail is spam or legitimate is fast, moderators know immediately whether to let it pass or ignore it. Replying to moderate it is fast as well. Much faster than reading an additional mail, so any notices about what actions one moderator did take are not needed. But here's the long version about why letting the group know what's happening doesn't make sense. There are a total of 3 cases, and in neither a forwarded mail makes sense. 1) you let the mail pass to the list → moderators will see the mail on the list → that is their notification that they don't need to take action (even if they do, nothing happens, the mail won't be delivered twice to the list) 2) you don't let the mail pass because it is obvious spam → other moderators will also know this is spam and not let them pass. Sending a note this is spam is telling the other moderators: I don't think you're smart enough to tell that this is a spam message. So no benefit here. 3) you explicitly reject the message because it is not-so-obvious-spam or because it contains flames/hatred/whatever → no matter what moderators think of it, you already made the decision. Whether moderators ignore it or reply to it to let it pass, it doesn't have any effect. A note won't really help. People get moderation requests immediately, and any note you sent will be only with a delay. So the chances that moderators already have read parsed made their decision whether to let it pass or ignore before reading any of your notes. The only case when it makes sense to send notification to other moderators is when you reject a mail with the intend to contact the author of the rejected mail on why it was rejected (I'll let the poster know that his mail contained private data, and the poster might not be aware that this info will be public in various archives). I.e. when you reject (and then it must be a reject, and not just ignore to let it expire) a legitimate mail (no spam or similar). Remember: Moderator's job as in technical mailinglist administrator is to let mails through to the list from people that are not subscribed. It happens that also spam is sent to the list-address, that obviously should not be passed. moderator's job is not to replace a spam-filter (there already are spam filters before it even gets handed over to the mailing list system) - but rather to let valid postings through. Ignoring the spam is just a side-effect. Of course it depends on the type of list whether on what the ratio of spam to legitimate messges is (announce lists have more spam, as real people using it is low, etc) And there are of course other meanings of moderator, but those are unrelated to a technical mailing-list moderator as is the topic here. If you have spare cycles, you can moderate the list itself in the sense of acting as a mediator, take care that the tone on the lists stays friendly, and similar - but this then happens on the list itself or by private mails to the people involved in the discussion on the list and does not affect the other technical mailinglist moderators :-) ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-moderators] Re: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Re: [MIRROR] [tdf-mirrors] downloading issues
This email ended up on the list first then moderated. did someone else moderate this email and release before i got the email of it being moderated? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM, mirrors+ow...@documentfoundation.orgwrote: Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the mirr...@documentfoundation.org mailing list. A message from e.cava...@cineca.it with subject Re: [MIRROR] [tdf-mirrors] downloading issues has been submitted for posting. You are being asked to moderate because the requester is not a subscriber. The message is below. To release it to the list, please send a message to mirrors+release-5275a1c966fcd...@documentfoundation.org which can usually be done simply by replying to this message. If you do not want to do any of this, either send a message to mirrors+reject-5275a1c966fcd...@documentfoundation.org or simply ignore this message. The following moderators have received this mail: - varunmitta...@gmail.com - flo...@documentfoundation.org - kaplanl...@gmail.com - eagles051...@gmail.com - dnorw...@portalias.net Hello we are not aware of particular issues at the moment. I suppose it should be a local issue. Have you tried other downloads from our mirrors? http://mirror1.mirror.garr.it/mirrors http://mirror2.mirror.garr.it/mirrors http://mirror3.mirror.garr.it/mirrors Do they have the same issues? Test in particular with mirror3 (mirror1 and mirror2 are in the same POP which is having issues with you) Regards, Enrico. -- Dr. Enrico Cavalli System Technology Department e-mail: e.cava...@cineca.it ph. +39 02 26995383 - mob. +39 348 7090221 - fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Consorzio Interuniversitario skype: enricocavalli -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: mirrors+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/mirrors/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Re: [MIRROR] [tdf-mirrors] downloading issues
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 11:51: Let me know if there is anythign i can do to help test this issue out any further. thanks - I'll monitor the issue. I have the gut feeling that there are some bugs in the new mlmmj release, but so far, I didn't see any pattern. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select,
Hi :) Thanks, that does make sense. We just have to spot the message on the appropriate list. Regards from Tom :) From: Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.com To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Cc: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@gmail.com; moderators moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2013, 10:15 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: re. Invitation: Dear God,s Select, Hi Anne, *, On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: I do that for a very simple reason; so all of this group is aware of what's happening. As the explanation that follows is rather longish, here the short-form: the decision whether a mail is spam or legitimate is fast, moderators know immediately whether to let it pass or ignore it. Replying to moderate it is fast as well. Much faster than reading an additional mail, so any notices about what actions one moderator did take are not needed. But here's the long version about why letting the group know what's happening doesn't make sense. There are a total of 3 cases, and in neither a forwarded mail makes sense. 1) you let the mail pass to the list → moderators will see the mail on the list → that is their notification that they don't need to take action (even if they do, nothing happens, the mail won't be delivered twice to the list) 2) you don't let the mail pass because it is obvious spam → other moderators will also know this is spam and not let them pass. Sending a note this is spam is telling the other moderators: I don't think you're smart enough to tell that this is a spam message. So no benefit here. 3) you explicitly reject the message because it is not-so-obvious-spam or because it contains flames/hatred/whatever → no matter what moderators think of it, you already made the decision. Whether moderators ignore it or reply to it to let it pass, it doesn't have any effect. A note won't really help. People get moderation requests immediately, and any note you sent will be only with a delay. So the chances that moderators already have read parsed made their decision whether to let it pass or ignore before reading any of your notes. The only case when it makes sense to send notification to other moderators is when you reject a mail with the intend to contact the author of the rejected mail on why it was rejected (I'll let the poster know that his mail contained private data, and the poster might not be aware that this info will be public in various archives). I.e. when you reject (and then it must be a reject, and not just ignore to let it expire) a legitimate mail (no spam or similar). Remember: Moderator's job as in technical mailinglist administrator is to let mails through to the list from people that are not subscribed. It happens that also spam is sent to the list-address, that obviously should not be passed. moderator's job is not to replace a spam-filter (there already are spam filters before it even gets handed over to the mailing list system) - but rather to let valid postings through. Ignoring the spam is just a side-effect. Of course it depends on the type of list whether on what the ratio of spam to legitimate messges is (announce lists have more spam, as real people using it is low, etc) And there are of course other meanings of moderator, but those are unrelated to a technical mailing-list moderator as is the topic here. If you have spare cycles, you can moderate the list itself in the sense of acting as a mediator, take care that the tone on the lists stays friendly, and similar - but this then happens on the list itself or by private mails to the people involved in the discussion on the list and does not affect the other technical mailinglist moderators :-) ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Oops, I forgot - I'm sorry, friend. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks ... but we do not speak Spanish ... we do speak Portuguese tho , so it would be Bom Dia Senhor ;) R. 2013/5/15 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Brasil has always impressed me as filled with common-sense folks :-) [ http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/countries/brazil-guide/ ] Buenos Dias, senor! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-moderators] Please stay ontopic
Hello, during the last days, we have seen a huge amount of discussions, mostly offtopic. I'd like to remind everyone about the purpose of this mailing list - discussion amongst list moderators for topics specifically concerning list moderation, nothing else. I have seen several people unsubscribing from this list and writing to me in private that they left because of the sheer amount of offtopic discussions. Moderators unsubscribing from this list renders its purpose useless. As much as I love that the community also discusses other topics, even non-LibreOffice ones, I really have to ask to stay ontopic on the lists. In the future, I see no other choice than putting those on forced moderation who will continously write offtopic e-mails. I really dislike doing so, but in the light of the recent events, this seems to be my only option. Losing people who are distracted and upset because of offtopic discussions is poison for the community. Note that I am not specifically targetting any person or e-mail, it's the overall events of the last days that lead to this e-mail. Please do *NOT* comment this e-mail, simply think about what I am asking. Thank you for your understanding, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Hi guys, First of all, thanks Florian for your mail about staying on-topic - it was completely right. Personally, I receive enough garbage in my mailbox not to welcome more sent via a mailing list that I specifically allow as useful/desired content. Secondly, I'd certainly warn the moderators about engaging in conversations with people who are actually the source of spam and off-topic content that we are supposed to be filtering out. It's surprising what can actually be learned about you/us and used against your intentions by interacting with these people... Just a little 2 cents. I'll return to the background now. David Nelson On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, I forgot - I'm sorry, friend. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho luz.roge...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks ... but we do not speak Spanish ... we do speak Portuguese tho , so it would be Bom Dia Senhor ;) R. 2013/5/15 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Brasil has always impressed me as filled with common-sense folks :-) [ http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/countries/brazil-guide/ ] Buenos Dias, senor! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
