Re: [MMouse]: Basic rights - liberatarians
But what about the stuff you left out? the right to property is a killer, and that is in one of those documents if I remember correctly, and is the one that has made the rest nothing but a bunch of pretty words and lovely ideals. Maybe I'm just cynical as a non-american... L. Good morning! Any debate on freedoms/basic rights (at least in the US) should keep these two source documents in mind: THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. (paragraph 2) THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (Preamble) That's all I plan to say on this list... I'll take on any of you jokers, give you the civics lesson you deserve! Off-list of course! (BTW, :-) :-) Oh - how about this: As a tie in to a controversial MM issue, the Declaration of Independence was written by a man who raped slaves. (There can't be consent when you own your partner - Sally Hemings wasn't allowed the "right" to decline.) Does this fact make that document any less valid? Do the words have meanings beyond those which the author intended, are there emotions or meanings that the writing can evoke, even when coming from an "impure" source? ta- DAVE!!! (Robson) AKA Rob Daveson, Davebob, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.xnet.com/~davebob or Staudacher Fish, whichever works for you. Tellabs Operations, Inc. / 4951 Indiana Ave. / Lisle, IL 60532 You know, I really like cheese. Plagarism is necessary. Progress implies it. - Guy Debord, plagarising Issadore DuCasse.
Re: [MMouse]: Basic rights - liberatarians
As a tie in to a controversial MM issue, the Declaration of Independence was written by a man who raped slaves. (There can't be consent when you own your partner - Sally Hemings wasn't allowed the "right" to decline.) Well I wouldn't call this a fact. You see, it has never been conclusively proven that it was actually Jefferson who was involved. The real facts were largely exaggerated or just plain lied about by socialists in a transparent attempt to make it seem like Clinton isn't a bad guy. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Jefferson was actually involved. Also, If he was, what makes you say it was "rape" and not a consensual sexual relationship? Documented evidence or a desire to make Jefferson look bad? Does this fact make that document any less valid? No. Ernie Fata
[MMouse]: Basic rights - liberatarians
Good morning! Any debate on freedoms/basic rights (at least in the US) should keep these two source documents in mind: THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. (paragraph 2) THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (Preamble) That's all I plan to say on this list... I'll take on any of you jokers, give you the civics lesson you deserve! Off-list of course! (BTW, :-) :-) Oh - how about this: As a tie in to a controversial MM issue, the Declaration of Independence was written by a man who raped slaves. (There can't be consent when you own your partner - Sally Hemings wasn't allowed the "right" to decline.) Does this fact make that document any less valid? Do the words have meanings beyond those which the author intended, are there emotions or meanings that the writing can evoke, even when coming from an "impure" source? ta- DAVE!!! (Robson) AKA Rob Daveson, Davebob, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.xnet.com/~davebob or Staudacher Fish, whichever works for you. Tellabs Operations, Inc. / 4951 Indiana Ave. / Lisle, IL 60532 You know, I really like cheese.
