Re: [MMouse]: nader in boston
> If anyone cares, Ralph Nader will be in Boston at the Fleet Center on October > 1st. It's only $10. I'll be there. > > this election is frightening me. as it should... ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
[MMouse]: nader in boston
If anyone cares, Ralph Nader will be in Boston at the Fleet Center on October 1st. It's only $10. I'll be there. this election is frightening me. .meredith.
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
> parental advisory is the same as the "NC-17" rating, in that they both carry > a stigma we should not have to deal with, one that brands items or movies as > trash just because they are adorned with one of those logos. i don't think they carry a stigma that says these movies are trash, although i can see why you'd see it that way. i feel that what they're implying is that these movies aren't necessarily appropriate for someone under the age of 17, which is both good and bad. it's good because a lot of them probably aren't appropriate for younger kids...it's bad because i think 17 is a little old for this sort of label, not to mention that just because a movie is rated "nc-17" or "r" doesn't mean it's not worth a 14 year old watching. that's why i'm not so sure i like the libertarian party...they want to dismiss the fcc as a whole, but we do need some boundaries. - amy
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
parental advisory is the same as the "NC-17" rating, in that they both carry a stigma we should not have to deal with, one that brands items or movies as trash just because they are adorned with one of those logos. dany.
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
> i don't really know much about any of the candidates, so i asked my dad. > > all he had to say was that gore CAN NOT get voted in because gore's wifey pooh is all about censorship. > to my dad that would mean no more south park and he can't have that. > > what else are these candidates all about? > > if anyone can point me in the right direction on what their bad points are, i would appreciate it. well it's good to know that your dad is as much of a fucking idiot as everyone else who thinks tipper is all about censorship. tipper gore isn't 'all about censorship.' she wanted the 'parental advisor' labels on cds, she never said we all had to listen to raffi's sweet, gentle music. - amy, disappointed in nirra's father ;)
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
i don't really know much about any of the candidates, so i asked my dad. all he had to say was that gore CAN NOT get voted in because gore's wifey pooh is all about censorship. to my dad that would mean no more south park and he can't have that. what else are these candidates all about? if anyone can point me in the right direction on what their bad points are, i would appreciate it. thanks nirra --- hey lucas man, i heard you like went out to vegas and married a mobsters wife and now you have a hit on you and stuff, is that true? not entirely true On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:06:28 blake wrote: >i totally agree with you. i feel that if i vote for nader, it will only >help split up the votes between nader and gore...and what that will do it >leave bush with more votes. it happened in grade school, i dont see why it >wont happen now. > >~blake > >- Original Message - >From: Rachel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:31 PM >Subject: [MMouse]: Nader > > >> OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid but >> that's nothing new. >> I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he became >> our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's basically up >to >> us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably piss a >> lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is pretty >> close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one less >> vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want another >Bush >> to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah >blah..but >> still >> >> I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try and >set >> me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Say Bye to Slow Internet! >> http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html >> >> > > *** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com ***
Re: [MMouse]: nader on the highway with a big green thumb!
>THEY ALL SIT AROUND VOTING FOR MEDICARE So true! > there's so many of them living nowadays too, and when they hear that nader > is on the green party ballot, as if they're gonna vote for him. i wouldn't > either if i was voting for a party. the green party sucks by itself. i > mean yeah it's big on the environment and stuff but it's into all that > 'self-healing' new age bullshit i can't stand and old people can't either. > i don't know where i'm going with this...basically i just support what that > jason guy says. Good, i'm not completely delusional then. Or at least I'm not alone in my delusions. The fact is party politics sucks. Period. We shouldn't be voting for the figurehead (yes, all political leaders are figureheads with little power) of some bullshit organization that has no interests other than maintaining their own power. Unfortunately, someone decided long ago that parties were the way to go, then everyone aligned themselves with one party or the other. This has continued throughout the generations, slowly building a base of old people that influence the views of their offspring. Now we're stuck in a society where people base their own opinions on the opinions of others. Additionally, we shouldn't really be getting that excited about the Green party. Like Amy and Her Computer said, the party sucks by itself. Let's say that fifteen years down the road the Green party has become a major political party and manages to get elected. Do you guys honestly think they will be any different than any other party? America's politcial system is too solidly established to be changed in a major way by anything short of a revolution, which would be an idiotic path to take. We could all watch as the "Green" which used to represent the environment becomes a symbol for yet another money (power, same thing) hungry organization that has lost touch with its roots. Funny how politics parallels the music industry.
[MMouse]: Nader petition
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[MMouse]: Nader
I just want to say that I was so close to pulling the unsubscribe trigger after the sticker and Led Zeppelin fiascos. But this Nader discussion has restored my faith. Let's hear it for well thought out and diverse opinions presented (for the most part) without name calling or "shock-value" exclamations. I am still way undecided about which way I will vote but this discussion has given me a lot to think about. Thanks. Here's to being exhausted at work today because I stayed up all night getting the necessary old-school rap songs off Napster before the end. Justin "It's Tricky To Rock Around To Rock Around That's Right On Time It's Tricky" Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [MMouse]: Nader - clarified.
thanks for clearing it all up wolf fucking blitzer...boy..we were all way out of wack to you straightened the ship up... -- Tour de Force, Defacto, Ayuchuco! -- chris - Original Message - From: Robbins, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [MMouse]: Nader - clarified. > This discussion is getting kind of scary, lets clear some things up... > > << the vote is really decided > by the electoral college which really doesn't have to vote the same way the > masses do>> > > This is idiotically dumb and misinformed. The general ellection elects > which partie's group will be able to cast votes in the electoral college. > So if Nader wins New Jersey, then he gets to pick the people who cast the > ballot in the electoral college election. And also, more than half of all > states (and all the ones that count) *require* that the electoral college > vote for the person that the was chosen in the general election. It is just > a relic left over from a long time ago. > > < the vote, his party (the green party) gets automatic funding for the next > election>> > > Actually, the threshold is 5%, and what happens is that the green party > becomes recognized as a national party, and will then be able to recieve > federal matching funds in 2004, which would be at least 12.4 million > dollars, among other benefits. Considering that Nader is polling at about > 8% nationally and hasn't even begun to campaign heavily yet, that number > seems pretty secure. 15%, which is probably where the confusion comes in, > is the threshold he needs to be polling at by late September in order to be > included in the televised debates (This year being brought to you courtosey > of Anheiser-Busch. How fucking perfect, though generally I prefer Vodka to > dull the pain of existence.) > > < No media was there, it was simply an opportunity for > this school to achieve recognition for its efforts in > recycling, and a chance for him to prove his loyalty > to his home state and his stance on education.>> > > No one every said that Mr. Gore isn't a very nice person with the best of > intentions...but voting for a nice person doesn't help the fact that were > killing thousands of iraqi children a day when he refuses to aknowledge that > those children exist. Acceptable losses is a pretty large umbrella for such > a caring individual. > > > What everyone seems to be focusing on in this discussion is Nader's ability > to "win" this election. He can't (at least not without the debates). But > that isn't the point, and it shouldn't be the point. If you think that the > problems that face America today can be solved with the cast of one vote, or > the election of one man (or that George Bush is some great Satan that will > send the country into turmoil) then you really need to see a proctologist > about having your head taken out of your ass. Nader's campaign is about > building a movement for tangible, long term, change. This country has > become so risk averse that its kind of disgusting. Could things get worse > under Bush? Of course. Is Al Gore using as much hyperbole as possible to > scare chicken shit liberals into falling in line? Fucking duh. Let's take > a look at the actual risk posed by a Dubya presidency. > > Supreme Court- What Justin said is totally true; 2-4 court justices will be > appointed within the next 4 years. It's a legitimate concern, until you > look at some history and find out that its all just a bunch of shit. Regan > apointed Souter and Ginsberg. Souter is the most liberal judge on the > court, and Ginsberg is probably second or third. However, in Clinton's > presidency, the so called "liberal" appointed Clarance Thomas, who is > considered by some to be the most conservative man on the planet. Do you > really think that Gore would appoint a liberal to the supreme court?! If you > do, i'll pay for the proctologist visit, really i will. If there's > *anything* that Bush is, its power hungry. He's not going to jepordize his > chance at another four years in office (thus avenging the failure of his > father..) by doing anything to disturb the 6-3 majority on abortion rights. > He's not *that* dumb. He appointed Cheney as his vice president to keep the > pro-lifer's in line, much like the populist rhetoric Gore is spouting to > sure up his labor base. > > I was going to make a laudry list, but this email is too long already. > Ralph Nader is about bringing stability back to a politcal system that is > totally out of wack (1.3 billion gift to Columbia to fight a never end
Re: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster
yeah i haven't had much difficulty with gnutella...it works well, although i must say i like scour exchange way better and cutemx is pretty ok...so napster's dead..big woop...they started an unstoppable revolution of internet music, then proceeded to get to big for themselves and wound up doing stupid shit that was hypocritical to the original movement...too bad for the RIAA that there's now 86765645454 different file sharing programsshutting down Napster will prove to be a pointless effort..the damage has been done... -- Tour de Force, Defacto, Ayuchuco! -- chris - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster > I think we mostly agree, vote your conscious and vote Nader. > > Now, what to do about Napster? > > I'm frantically trying to get gnutella, imesh, scour media, or Napigator to > work... > > Anyone have luck with any of these? > > I'm am SO prepared to share even more files just to make a point that they > won't stop us from trading songs, pictures, text, programs, and information > in general. >
Re: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster
> > > > I'm frantically trying to get gnutella, imesh, scour media, or Napigator > to > > work... > > > > Anyone have luck with any of these? > > gnutella works fine but is quite slow for searches, if you want more information at http://www.zeropaid.com/ there is a FAQ. esteban.
Re: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster
i have imesh, its easy to use, but it sucks cause it searches slower and you cant tell who your downloading off of. napster was all time. ~ blake - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster > I think we mostly agree, vote your conscious and vote Nader. > > Now, what to do about Napster? > > I'm frantically trying to get gnutella, imesh, scour media, or Napigator to > work... > > Anyone have luck with any of these? > > I'm am SO prepared to share even more files just to make a point that they > won't stop us from trading songs, pictures, text, programs, and information > in general. >
[MMouse]: nader on the highway with a big green thumb!
> I agree. However, it's also interesting to note that the majority of voters > are baby boomers or older. A lot of older people seem to vote for a party > rather than a candidate, so there's no way in hell they'll vote for someone > like Nader. politics has a lot to do with health lately. now that we have these fine medicines and technological advances, we have old people living with the ability to vote. excuse me for sounding callous, but it's true. old people have the opportunity to vote now more than ever, and you're completely on the ball when you say that a lot of people vote for the party rather than the candidate. most importantly, the only thing old people (in my experience - which trust me i do have, i grew up surrounded by old people) care about is medicare. it's true. they sit around voting for medicare. i'm not saying they ALL do this or that the majority of them do this, but in my experience, THEY ALL SIT AROUND VOTING FOR MEDICARE. there's so many of them living nowadays too, and when they hear that nader is on the green party ballot, as if they're gonna vote for him. i wouldn't either if i was voting for a party. the green party sucks by itself. i mean yeah it's big on the environment and stuff but it's into all that 'self-healing' new age bullshit i can't stand and old people can't either. i don't know where i'm going with this...basically i just support what that jason guy says. and as for you, chris, you say that you envision nader on the highway with a big green thumb :P uhm..ever heard of consumer reports? find it useful? read about it...maybe you'll start to envision nader on the highway with a big consumer reports magazine ;) - amy
[MMouse]: nader
Actually, Bush appointed Clarence Thomas. J. >However, in Clinton's >presidency, the so called "liberal" appointed Clarance Thomas, who is >considered by some to be the most conservative man on the planet Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [MMouse]: Nader to Napster
yeah, fight the power. I've got a program here at work called CuetMX (from the makers of CuteFTP) that allows people to share pretty much any type of file. Combined with the T1 line, I was able to download and watch "Scary Movie" yesterday. It was suprisingly funny. Anyways, I don't think Napster will be gone for very long, if at all. On 27 Jul 2000, at 13:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm am SO prepared to share even more files just to make a point that they > won't stop us from trading songs, pictures, text, programs, and information > in general. >
[MMouse]: Nader to Napster
I think we mostly agree, vote your conscious and vote Nader. Now, what to do about Napster? I'm frantically trying to get gnutella, imesh, scour media, or Napigator to work... Anyone have luck with any of these? I'm am SO prepared to share even more files just to make a point that they won't stop us from trading songs, pictures, text, programs, and information in general.
RE: [MMouse]: Nader - clarified.
This discussion is getting kind of scary, lets clear some things up... << the vote is really decided by the electoral college which really doesn't have to vote the same way the masses do>> This is idiotically dumb and misinformed. The general ellection elects which partie's group will be able to cast votes in the electoral college. So if Nader wins New Jersey, then he gets to pick the people who cast the ballot in the electoral college election. And also, more than half of all states (and all the ones that count) *require* that the electoral college vote for the person that the was chosen in the general election. It is just a relic left over from a long time ago. <> Actually, the threshold is 5%, and what happens is that the green party becomes recognized as a national party, and will then be able to recieve federal matching funds in 2004, which would be at least 12.4 million dollars, among other benefits. Considering that Nader is polling at about 8% nationally and hasn't even begun to campaign heavily yet, that number seems pretty secure. 15%, which is probably where the confusion comes in, is the threshold he needs to be polling at by late September in order to be included in the televised debates (This year being brought to you courtosey of Anheiser-Busch. How fucking perfect, though generally I prefer Vodka to dull the pain of existence.) <> No one every said that Mr. Gore isn't a very nice person with the best of intentions...but voting for a nice person doesn't help the fact that were killing thousands of iraqi children a day when he refuses to aknowledge that those children exist. Acceptable losses is a pretty large umbrella for such a caring individual. What everyone seems to be focusing on in this discussion is Nader's ability to "win" this election. He can't (at least not without the debates). But that isn't the point, and it shouldn't be the point. If you think that the problems that face America today can be solved with the cast of one vote, or the election of one man (or that George Bush is some great Satan that will send the country into turmoil) then you really need to see a proctologist about having your head taken out of your ass. Nader's campaign is about building a movement for tangible, long term, change. This country has become so risk averse that its kind of disgusting. Could things get worse under Bush? Of course. Is Al Gore using as much hyperbole as possible to scare chicken shit liberals into falling in line? Fucking duh. Let's take a look at the actual risk posed by a Dubya presidency. Supreme Court- What Justin said is totally true; 2-4 court justices will be appointed within the next 4 years. It's a legitimate concern, until you look at some history and find out that its all just a bunch of shit. Regan apointed Souter and Ginsberg. Souter is the most liberal judge on the court, and Ginsberg is probably second or third. However, in Clinton's presidency, the so called "liberal" appointed Clarance Thomas, who is considered by some to be the most conservative man on the planet. Do you really think that Gore would appoint a liberal to the supreme court?! If you do, i'll pay for the proctologist visit, really i will. If there's *anything* that Bush is, its power hungry. He's not going to jepordize his chance at another four years in office (thus avenging the failure of his father..) by doing anything to disturb the 6-3 majority on abortion rights. He's not *that* dumb. He appointed Cheney as his vice president to keep the pro-lifer's in line, much like the populist rhetoric Gore is spouting to sure up his labor base. I was going to make a laudry list, but this email is too long already. Ralph Nader is about bringing stability back to a politcal system that is totally out of wack (1.3 billion gift to Columbia to fight a never ending civil war; but a billion dollar *loan* to South Africa to fight a disease that is wiping out a generation of children, and the actual amount needed is twenty times as much?) It doesn't get solved by an election, it gets solved by a movement, which is what Ralph Nader is trying to build. Most of you haven't even lived a quarter of a century yet, what's with all the damn pessimism? Mark Bleib Immer Locker.
[MMouse]: Nader
I am finding this political discussion very interesting because it has been something I have been thinking about a lot lately. I used to be a major fan of Gore but have been constantly disappointed by his waffling and the compromising of what I thought were his values because he wants to be pres. so damn bad. I flirted briefly with Nader because he has some great ideas as does the Green Party (they both also have some awful ideas, I mean disbanding the Congress? The most stable governing body in history, c'mon!), however, the President of The U.S. is not an ideal it is a reality and it takes more than great ideas and values to be a good President. Nader is very stubborn and has no idea of compromise (his way or the highway), these make great qualities in a consumer advocate but poor qualities in a president whose party does not control Congress. His presidency would only end up creating alliances against him and endless gridlock. He would sort of be like a Jimmy Carter with a chip on his shoulder. Of course, in reality, Nader would never be president. It will be Gore or Bush. And I agree with the sentiment of people who feel that voting against someone rather than voting for someone is a poor way to involve yourself in the democratic process. However, again reality, and we need to remember that things in this country can get worse rather than get better. While Gore may mean more of the same, Bush can very well mean getting to the worse. Abortion Rights, the pitiful amount of environmental protection legislature we do have, and countless other social issues WILL be threatened by a Bush Presidency. The scariest thing is that 2 maybe 3 Supreme Court Justice positions will be opening up in the next 4 years. Think about those 2 or 3 justices being pro-life and pick up your banners and prepare to march on Washington because a women's right to choose will be severely threatened. I am probably going to vote for Gore in the Fall. I just hope that if he wins he can find his way back to the truly inspiring politician he once was. The one who wrote "Earth in the Balance", one who had some really great liberal yet realistic ideas and values and who was an effective enough legislator to be able to carry them out. Justin "Eat from the Tree of Life and throw away the Verbal Ham"" Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
<< if everyone who felt that way actually did vote with their conscience, rather than vote for the "lesser of two evils," we could see a nader presidency. most people listen to what the mainstream media shoves down our collective throat...>> I agree. However, it's also interesting to note that the majority of voters are baby boomers or older. A lot of older people seem to vote for a party rather than a candidate, so there's no way in hell they'll vote for someone like Nader. I guess it's similar to racism - most people who are racist don't even know why they hate, they just spew out whatever their parents taught them. There seems to be a lot more racism among the older generations, which makes sense when you consider how accepted it was to be racist as little as three decades ago. Also, there's a shitload of voters out there who are simply ignorant when it comes to politics, and will vote for one of the big two simply because they don't know who the other people are.
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
one thing everyone seems to be forgetting is that if nader gets 15% of the vote, his party (the green party) gets automatic funding for the next election, which would help the green party out tremendously and allow them to run elections in the future that they have a better chance of winning. . .nader may not win, but votes for nader will certainly not be wasted. . .and if we can get him into the debates, he actually does have a chance of winning. . .in order to get him into the debates, he needs to be at 15% or we need to get about 40,000 nader supporters to show up at the debates and demand that he be allowed to debate. . . jenny On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Rachel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid > but > that's nothing new. > I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he > became > our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's > basically up to > us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably > piss a > lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is > pretty > close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one > less > vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want > another Bush > to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah > blah..but > still > > I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try > and set > me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. > > > > > > ___ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
how so? if you aren't in favor of any of the candidates should you vote for someone just for the sake of feeling obligated to vote??? now thats sad... -- Tour de Force, Defacto, Ayuchuco! -- chris - Original Message - From: Rachel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chris Stratton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [MMouse]: Nader > ...why vote if you really don't like any of them...i know i > > won't > > > > that's so sad.. > > > > > > ___ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html >
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
...why vote if you really don't like any of them...i know i > won't > that's so sad.. ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
I can't stand any of the "contestants"personally, i think they all blow ass and am sickened with thier crybaby politics in general...the whole thing is all a charade anyways...to me there are no "lesser of the evils"..they all have pros and cons, but all have one thing in general - they are all part of the machine...besides, in all actuality, the vote is really decided by the electoral college which really doesn't have to vote the same way the masses do...it's just generally accepted they will..let's all face it, the democrats had their decade of scandals and money making schemes, now it's the republicans and Bush's turn to try and run the economy back into the ground ala Reaganesque politics...Bush is an accident waiting to happen, Gore is just a big pussy who just so happens to have been VP for 8 years...and Nader?? I just envision Nader as someone on the highway with a big green thumb...the rest are were all in it because they had nothing better to do...why vote if you really don't like any of them...i know i won't so i guess i really don't have a right to bitch at all do I... Chris Higdon for President... PS: Does anybody really remember Walter Mondale? or Geraldine Ferraro? -- Tour de Force, Defacto, Ayuchuco! -- chris > > >
[MMouse]: nader
Like most dilemmas in life, you probably know intrinsically what the "right" thing to do is. I run into the same problem as you (and alot of people with real honest to god discerning brains) when it comes to choosing a presidential canidate. But lets face it, if theres ever going to be a president from a party other than the big two, people will just have to vote their concience. In the balance of things, your vote probably wont make a big difference either way, so why not just vote for the person who you really wish would be president. Well thats my thought in the matter. Not sure who im voting for yet, but it sure as hell isnt either of those dumbasses. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [MMouse]: Nader
hmmm... well, 1) if everyone who felt that way actually did vote with their conscience, rather than vote for the "lesser of two evils," we could see a nader presidency. most people listen to what the mainstream media shoves down our collective throat, which is in this situation that a vote for nader is a vote taken away from __ and given to __ (take your pick; most media outlets will go either way depending on who pays their bills), ensuring that __ will win the election. speaking personally, most of the voters (70%, i would say) i know would rather vote for nader than "the sure thing," but they will vote for gore because they hate bush (and vice-versa) and don't think nader can make it. every NON-voter i know would vote for nader if they "thought it would make a difference." projecting this on society as a whole (most people i know are considered "normal," so this isn't a big leap), if these people did vote for nader, he would win in a landslide of the popular vote. but no, people won't vote for him because they erroneously think it would be a waste. 2) more than likely, voting for nader won't take votes away from any other candidate. people who say this assume that if nader were not in the running, a voter will vote for one of the big two. this isn't very true. nader isn't taking my vote from bush or gore because i would never vote for either of them in the first place. in fact, most people who will vote for nader have probably never voted before and are voting simply to elect nader. 3) bush and gore are tools and their parties are virtually indistinguishable. as far as those two are concerned, nothing will change in this nation if either one of them gets into office. they may be all talk now, and that's how they get people to vote for them, but if they get elected you can better believe they will maintain the status quo, and not rock the boat. there is no "lesser of two evils" because they are both the same. you might as well close your eyes and point your finger in the voting booth; the result will be the same. 4) what is the point of voting if you just vote for who you think everyone else is voting for? that's what you're doing. you might as well not vote. there is no such thing as a wasted vote (unless, in my opinion, you fit in with my above statement). your vote is your political voice and, regardless if your candidate gets elected, your voice will be heard. remember ross perot from a while back? he may have been a big joke then, but his party just got a governor into office a couple of years ago. you have to start somewhere, and you can't get started by being a tool. anyway, i know that's off topic, but i had to respond. and i have to go now because there is a tornado warning. bye. -jason. ___ **this message brought to you by: jason d. sheets email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.nwmissouri.edu/~s214560 (recently updated!) album of the day: my bloody valentine - "isn't anything" "That Sheets boy...no damn good." >-Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:06 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MMouse]: Nader > > >i totally agree with you. i feel that if i vote for nader, it >will only >help split up the votes between nader and gore...and what that >will do it >leave bush with more votes. it happened in grade school, i >dont see why it >wont happen now. > >~blake > >- Original Message - >From: Rachel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:31 PM >Subject: [MMouse]: Nader > > >> OK, here's the question that will probably make me look >really stupid but >> that's nothing new. >> I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect >world, he became >> our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's >basically up >to >> us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll >probably piss a >> lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the >race is pretty >> close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, >that's one less >> vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't >want another >Bush >> to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah >blah..but >> still >> >> I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free >to try and >set >> me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Say Bye to Slow Internet! >> http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html >> >> >
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
i totally agree with you. i feel that if i vote for nader, it will only help split up the votes between nader and gore...and what that will do it leave bush with more votes. it happened in grade school, i dont see why it wont happen now. ~blake - Original Message - From: Rachel White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: [MMouse]: Nader > OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid but > that's nothing new. > I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he became > our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's basically up to > us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably piss a > lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is pretty > close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one less > vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want another Bush > to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah blah..but > still > > I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try and set > me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. > > > > > > ___ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > >
RE: [MMouse]: Nader
You don't vote for someone because you fear the repurcussions of not voting for that person, that's fascism; power by fear. Mark Bleibe Immer Locker. OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid but that's nothing new. I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he became our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's basically up to us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably piss a lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is pretty close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one less vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want another Bush to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah blah..but still I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try and set me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Re: [MMouse]: Nader
Im a big bucket of info today, if you wanna meet Nadar, he will be in KILLA CAMDEN this Saturday, uhmm Camden NJ that is right across the river from illadelph. He will be at Leavenhouse, a homeless shelter that a friend of my mother runs. and if you happen to be in town on Sunday there will be a big demonstration in front of the Camden Aquarium while the Republicans are there to fight for Cuban rights. And if you have ever been the Camden Aquarium you might wanna protest the fact that they are even allowed to call that shit hole an aquarium great white dusty "someone is washing my black shirt for me" Rachel White wrote: > OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid but > that's nothing new. > I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he became > our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's basically up to > us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably piss a > lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is pretty > close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one less > vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want another Bush > to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah blah..but > still > > I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try and set > me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. > > ___ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
[MMouse]: Nader
OK, here's the question that will probably make me look really stupid but that's nothing new. I love Nader to death and would LOVE it if, in my perfect world, he became our next president. But, that's not going to happen. It's basically up to us to choose the lesser of two evils. This is where I'll probably piss a lot of you off, but isn't voting Nader this time (where the race is pretty close) like wasting an anti-Bush vote? If I vote Nader, that's one less vote that helps Gore defeat Bush, and I sure as hell don't want another Bush to be president. I know the electoral college..blah blah blah..but still I feel guilty not voting Nader this time, so ya'll feel free to try and set me straight. My conscience needs to be at peace.help. ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
[MMouse]: nader and the truth
ralph nader supports the truth www.kosmos.net/truth check out under sightings theres a picture of the truth our friend paul and our friend ralph nader. go nader. me ryan
