Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> If this means anything to anyone, the Pope admitted to the scientific > viability of evolution about...5 years ago, I think. Homeboy basically said > that Christians can't keep on fooling themselves as to the reality of > evolution. haha well, why care about anything the pope actually says? you know, when his raging fans can just look at him. i'll be damned if any of those freaks who run after him in parades and crap actually listens to what he says. oh geez, after i saw 'dogma' i was starting to get into accepting a God, but this conversation has made me into a total agnostic all over again...and sort of pantheist.. i just absolutely cannot accept the fact that God created all of this stuff. i feel like the chances of an actual Christ (not a higher power, just Christ) existing are about as high as me pouring water into a cup with a hole in the bottom. - amy
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
If this means anything to anyone, the Pope admitted to the scientific viability of evolution about...5 years ago, I think. Homeboy basically said that Christians can't keep on fooling themselves as to the reality of evolution. I did a research project on the creation/evolution argument in my anthropolgy and gealogy courses last year, and from all of the information I gathered on it, evolution came out to be *so* much the more realistic option. Which in no way excludes theistic evolution (the idea that God sparked evolution and oversees its progress); one can continue believing in the Bible without having to dismiss all of the scientific evidence that the earth is probably about 3 billion years old (if memory serves me correctly..which is doubtful). If you're willing to take parts of the Bible figuratively, ie, that maybe "7 days" to God is more like...3.5 billion years...there's really no point in questioning science or religion. I'm probably far too willing to buy into happy mediums, but theistic evolution just makes sense to me. And apparently John Paul has no problem with it, either. Now, on the issue of birth control... >From: "amy wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:45:00 -0600 > >fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists' >i mean maybe the 2000 is an exaggeration. i think some people think it's >like 55,000 years old, but even still, i'm pretty sold on the whole >millions of years old idea ;) maybe it's because of lack of faith in the >bible but i can't accept that God invented our Earth that soon of a time >ago. what about dinosaurs? are they made up? has anyone seen a bird? >has anyone seen animals? plants? i look at these extinct animals; i look >at these evolved animals and i think "oh my god they resemble something >less evolved millions of years ago." i can't accept that these old old >creatures don't even exist and that these old creatures didn't have an >impact on how life is now. >- amy > > > > > "Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom? > __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> and evolution? why are we the only country that debates that? everywhere else > in the world, that is consistently approved of, without question > im proud to have descended from an ape > and you should be too me too, not to mention it's awesome, i think, that birds may be descended from dinosaurs. evolution is a beautiful thing, but it's debated against and why? i'm proud to have evolved from hairy beasts, especially since those hairy beasts still exist today. also, today i was watching this thing for a second on oprah and this mom was talking about how she was looking up at the sky talking to her dead daughter. well this hawk was circling her and she took that as 'keep moving forward, keep your head up.' that made me think about pantheism and how when people get a sign from a dead family member or friend, it's generally from an animal. that made me think a little bit more about pantheism i guess and i thought i'd share it with you all :P i know my thoughts may not come off that clearly, but this is email and i don't expect everything to come out sounding right..same with all you guys. - amy
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> I think you are confusing the year 2000 with what (as you say) > :"fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists'" believe. You have > heard of (as I'm sure they have) B.C. right? We're only 2000 years into A.D. & > nobody I have ever heard of is claiming that was the beginning. well you asked me what people believe this, and i told you. they seem to think that just because it's A.D. now that that has some significance in our actual evolution and the environment, and i don't think it does. that's a ridiculous notion, but some people honestly believe this and those are some of the people who do as i've read/heard directly from the voices/seen. - amy
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
Oh, christ! Why do I bother?! I think you are confusing the year 2000 with what (as you say) :"fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists'" believe. You have heard of (as I'm sure they have) B.C. right? We're only 2000 years into A.D. & nobody I have ever heard of is claiming that was the beginning. On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, amy wolf wrote: > fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists' > i mean maybe the 2000 is an exaggeration. i think some people think it's > like 55,000 years old, but even still, i'm pretty sold on the whole > millions of years old idea ;) maybe it's because of lack of faith in the > bible but i can't accept that God invented our Earth that soon of a time > ago. what about dinosaurs? are they made up? has anyone seen a bird? > has anyone seen animals? plants? i look at these extinct animals; i look > at these evolved animals and i think "oh my god they resemble something > less evolved millions of years ago." i can't accept that these old old > creatures don't even exist and that these old creatures didn't have an > impact on how life is now. > - amy > > > > > "Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom? > >
RE: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
Using the geneology of Christ as a guide, the history of man was traced back to adam and eve(the geneology is in Matthew..i believe) taking into account the ages of the people mentioned..fundamentalists calculated the creation date to have happend about 6000 years ago This is however ridiculous..since according to the bible Moses was said to be over 700 years old when he died..and that is only one instance of incredible longevity among many. Mark I'm sorry about the phone call, and needing you, some decisions you don't make. I guess its just like breathing but not wanting to, ya there are some things that you can't fake. VM19085475090 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of amy wolf Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists' i mean maybe the 2000 is an exaggeration. i think some people think it's like 55,000 years old, but even still, i'm pretty sold on the whole millions of years old idea ;) maybe it's because of lack of faith in the bible but i can't accept that God invented our Earth that soon of a time ago. what about dinosaurs? are they made up? has anyone seen a bird? has anyone seen animals? plants? i look at these extinct animals; i look at these evolved animals and i think "oh my god they resemble something less evolved millions of years ago." i can't accept that these old old creatures don't even exist and that these old creatures didn't have an impact on how life is now. - amy > "Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom?
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
<< i believe the world is probably around 10,000 years old. it can't be undoubtedly proven that it is older, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the evolution theory is correct, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the creation theory is correct. >> actually you're not quite right there have been thousands of documented artifacts that date easily over 10,000 years, easily over 10 million years...and you can't make gasoline in 10,000 years God would not create 10 million year old objects to boggle human reasoning...all that would do is lead a person away from god, which is pointless...and it can't be a test of faith if its scientifically proven, since science is one of God's creation... and evolution? why are we the only country that debates that? everywhere else in the world, that is consistently approved of, without question im proud to have descended from an ape and you should be too
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
fundamentalists, orthodox jews, 'biblical literalists' i mean maybe the 2000 is an exaggeration. i think some people think it's like 55,000 years old, but even still, i'm pretty sold on the whole millions of years old idea ;) maybe it's because of lack of faith in the bible but i can't accept that God invented our Earth that soon of a time ago. what about dinosaurs? are they made up? has anyone seen a bird? has anyone seen animals? plants? i look at these extinct animals; i look at these evolved animals and i think "oh my god they resemble something less evolved millions of years ago." i can't accept that these old old creatures don't even exist and that these old creatures didn't have an impact on how life is now. - amy > "Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom?
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
thats what im trying to find out -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians >Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 10:00 AM > > > > "Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom? > > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, amy wolf wrote: > >> > what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? >> >> phrased wrong..supposedly ONLY 2000 years old...which is bullshit, since >> it's millions of years old if not more :P >> - amy >> >> > >
RE: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
<> Maintaining an ignorance is not the same as making a proof. With about three calculations I could show you that the world is quite older than 10,000 years. Mark I'm sorry about the phone call, and needing you, some decisions you don't make. I guess its just like breathing but not wanting to, ya there are some things that you can't fake. VM19085475090 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of johnny Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [MMouse]: sunny day christians > > what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? > > phrased wrong..supposedly ONLY 2000 years old...which is bullshit, since > it's millions of years old if not more :P hmm. i am a christian. i believe the bible. i also believe in the creation theory. i believe the world is probably around 10,000 years old. it can't be undoubtedly proven that it is older, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the evolution theory is correct, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the creation theory is correct. ben, i know you're dying. johnny.
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
"Supposedly ONLY 2000 years old" to whom? On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, amy wolf wrote: > > what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? > > phrased wrong..supposedly ONLY 2000 years old...which is bullshit, since > it's millions of years old if not more :P > - amy > >
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> hmm. i am a christian. i believe the bible. i also believe in the > creation theory. i believe the world is probably around 10,000 years old. > it can't be undoubtedly proven that it is older, just like it can't be > undoubtedly proven that the evolution theory is correct, just like it can't > be undoubtedly proven that the creation theory is correct. but..can't it? i dunno, when thousands of scientists are pretty set on a rock or a fossil being millions of years old, i'll buy it :P i dunno, whatever, it's your beliefs..i can't believe them tho, and i do think that it can be undoubtedly proven... like i said, tho, whatever ;) - amy
RE: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> > what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? > > phrased wrong..supposedly ONLY 2000 years old...which is bullshit, since > it's millions of years old if not more :P hmm. i am a christian. i believe the bible. i also believe in the creation theory. i believe the world is probably around 10,000 years old. it can't be undoubtedly proven that it is older, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the evolution theory is correct, just like it can't be undoubtedly proven that the creation theory is correct. ben, i know you're dying. johnny.
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
> what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? phrased wrong..supposedly ONLY 2000 years old...which is bullshit, since it's millions of years old if not more :P - amy
Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians
what do you mean "supposedly the world is 2000 years old"? -- >From: "amy wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [MMouse]: sunny day christians >Date: Tue, Nov 30, 1999, 7:58 PM > >> I think people that are anti-Christian are just as silly as people who > are >> anti-non-Christians (if you can think of a better way to say that, please > >> say so). A lot of people I know have come to this bizarre conclusion that > >> anyone who has a profound belief is either ignorant or hateful or both. > > yeah, i think my mom was smart by telling me at a young enough age that > refusing to believe that there's a highest power is equally ignorant as > people who refuse to believe that there might not be a highest power. from > what i understand, it's been confirmed that there was a jesus, but whether > or not he was a higher power is unclear. there's nothing uncool about > being open minded to a higher power, the only thing that's uncool is > refusing to see another person's POV about an existing power. > - amy, sorta stuck in the middle. > > oh...if any of you have ever heard of pantheism, it's kind of intriguing to > me. it's a theory that nature is actually our God. makes sense when you > think about it. supposedly the world is 2000 years old ...but says who? > our earth has been around for millions of years, and the one thing that > truly keeps us all from croaking is our earth. without evolution in our > environment, animals, plants, blah blah..none of us would even exist. > > >
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> I think people that are anti-Christian are just as silly as people who are > anti-non-Christians (if you can think of a better way to say that, please > say so). A lot of people I know have come to this bizarre conclusion that > anyone who has a profound belief is either ignorant or hateful or both. yeah, i think my mom was smart by telling me at a young enough age that refusing to believe that there's a highest power is equally ignorant as people who refuse to believe that there might not be a highest power. from what i understand, it's been confirmed that there was a jesus, but whether or not he was a higher power is unclear. there's nothing uncool about being open minded to a higher power, the only thing that's uncool is refusing to see another person's POV about an existing power. - amy, sorta stuck in the middle. oh...if any of you have ever heard of pantheism, it's kind of intriguing to me. it's a theory that nature is actually our God. makes sense when you think about it. supposedly the world is 2000 years old ...but says who? our earth has been around for millions of years, and the one thing that truly keeps us all from croaking is our earth. without evolution in our environment, animals, plants, blah blah..none of us would even exist.
