Re: [MP2] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Xiaodong Shen wrote: During the weekend I had no connectivity due to the worm, sorry. Okay I tried remove my old perl installation and compiled a new one (5.8.0), and then installed a new mod_perl 1.99_08, and got the exactly same error. So I don't think it was because of my Perl installation as I suspected before. Then I tried nm all the *.so under my /usr/local/lib/perl5, there are dozens of *.so contain symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr, but all have 'U' (unresolved). Then I nm-ed my modules/mod_perl.so under /usr/local/apache2, no symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr at all. From your analysis, my mod_perl.so must have perl library linked in, which should have a resolved Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr, but it doesn't contain this symbol at all. OK, let's step back and see first why this kind of errors happen in first place. Let's say you have a program that says: test.c: --- #include something.h ... foo(); ... where something.h includes a declaration: void foo(); The test.c program will compile, though if you look at test.o it'll have the foo symbol undefined (U) and should be resolved at linking time against libsomething.so (we are talking dynamic linking here). Now if libsomethings.so includes the symbol for foo, everything is cool. If it doesn't than you get the 'unresolved symbol' error. And this error may come from using the wrong header file or having some defines wrong. Now getting back to our business, I've two versions of perl5.8.0 installed. One with ithreads enabled and the other without. Let's see: % nm ~/perl/5.8.0/lib/5.8.0/i686-linux/CORE/libperl.so | grep stack_sp_ptr nada % nm ~/perl/5.8.0-ithread/lib/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so | grep stack_sp_ptr 0011c6c8 T Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr so I have this symbol in the lib built with ithreads. Now let's look at the perlapi.h: grep -n stack_sp_ptr /home/stas/perl/5.8.0/lib/5.8.0/i686-linux/CORE/perlapi.h 920:#define PL_stack_sp (*Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr(aTHX)) it's also defined in CORE/thdrvar.h via a macro: PERLVAR(Tstack_sp, SV **) /* top of the stack */ one of these definitions will work only if #if defined (MULTIPLICITY) which is true in the ithreads build. And you can see it from the nm's output above. So which libperl.so do you link against? Use 'ldd' on mod_perl.so to see. Does that libperl.so has the symbol in question defined? (use 'nm'). Most likely, your problem happends because you build with compile options for ithreads perl, but using the libperl.so lib which was built without ithreads. please post your build env, see: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/help/help.html#Reporting_Problems __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: [MP2] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Xiaodong Shen wrote: Thanks for the reply. Several things to clear: 1. I have successfully passed the make make test make install phase. 2. I have moved into Server configuration phase and was doing the mod_perl rocks thingy, where the error happens. 3. Before seeing your reply, I already found a solution: I renamed Const.so to Const.so.bak (there are several other xxx.so mod_perl complains about, I removed them as well). It works, mod_perl did rock. 4. However this put me into a bigger misery, I can't explain why!!! After reading the thread, I delved into my setting and found: - my perl installation doesn't have libperl.so (libperl.a only). Meaning that you perl is compiled without shared library support. - my httpd is DSO enabled. - my mod_perl is mod_perl.so (mod_perl.a is not used). Currently mod_perl builds itself as static and dynamic, no matter what you choose, so at the later point you can simply link the static archive. - my mod_perl.so is not linked against ibperl.so. So it must have the perl library linked in. do you have that symbol that was reported missing in mod_perl.so? (hint: use 'nm') So I assume that httpd loads mod_perl.so, which loads other xxx.so, such as Const.so, but when does mod_perl load libperl.so (from the thread I assume those undefined symbols would be resolved by libperl.so)? before laoding Const.so? but why did it not complain about no libperl.so on my system? see above. I suppose that we have a problem here of installing dynamic .so objects, when the static build is used and perl trying to load them. But it's also possible that you've the leftovers from an older install as you suggest below. Now I start to have some ideas, it must have to do with my Perl installation, which contains some leftovers that should have been cleaned up before I made numerous rebuilds, everytime Perl uses a package it looks for *.so by going through @INC, lots of library files with same names. I will let you after I clean up my perl. Have you installed mod_perl using the shared libperl.so before into the same directory? __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
[MP2] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Hi all, Does anyone have experience of seeing from error_log: /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux/auto/Apache/Const/Const.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr I am playing with 2.0.44 (-with-mpm=prefork) with mod_perl 2.0 (moer specifically 1.99_08) on linux 2.4.7 with Perl 5.8.0 (no thread), I saw the above error message when requesting the mod_perl 2.0 rocks testing page (see mod_perl 2.0 User Guide). any hint is welcomed. xd
Re: [MP2] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Xiaodong Shen wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have experience of seeing from error_log: /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux/auto/Apache/Const/Const.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr I am playing with 2.0.44 (-with-mpm=prefork) with mod_perl 2.0 (moer specifically 1.99_08) on linux 2.4.7 with Perl 5.8.0 (no thread), I saw the above error message when requesting the mod_perl 2.0 rocks testing page (see mod_perl 2.0 User Guide). any hint is welcomed. xd Take a look at this thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10430802132r=1w=2 In particular at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperlm=104312560827233w=2 Does this help? __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: [MP2] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Thanks for the reply. Several things to clear: 1. I have successfully passed the make make test make install phase. 2. I have moved into Server configuration phase and was doing the mod_perl rocks thingy, where the error happens. 3. Before seeing your reply, I already found a solution: I renamed Const.so to Const.so.bak (there are several other xxx.so mod_perl complains about, I removed them as well). It works, mod_perl did rock. 4. However this put me into a bigger misery, I can't explain why!!! After reading the thread, I delved into my setting and found: - my perl installation doesn't have libperl.so (libperl.a only). - my httpd is DSO enabled. - my mod_perl is mod_perl.so (mod_perl.a is not used). - my mod_perl.so is not linked against ibperl.so. So I assume that httpd loads mod_perl.so, which loads other xxx.so, such as Const.so, but when does mod_perl load libperl.so (from the thread I assume those undefined symbols would be resolved by libperl.so)? before laoding Const.so? but why did it not complain about no libperl.so on my system? .. Now I start to have some ideas, it must have to do with my Perl installation, which contains some leftovers that should have been cleaned up before I made numerous rebuilds, everytime Perl uses a package it looks for *.so by going through @INC, lots of library files with same names. I will let you after I clean up my perl. thanks again, xd Stas Bekman wrote: Xiaodong Shen wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have experience of seeing from error_log: /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux/auto/Apache/Const/Const.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr I am playing with 2.0.44 (-with-mpm=prefork) with mod_perl 2.0 (moer specifically 1.99_08) on linux 2.4.7 with Perl 5.8.0 (no thread), I saw the above error message when requesting the mod_perl 2.0 rocks testing page (see mod_perl 2.0 User Guide). any hint is welcomed. xd Take a look at this thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10430802132r=1w=2 In particular at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperlm=104312560827233w=2 Does this help? __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Paul G. Weiss wrote: OK, until I can decide whether to take a chance on FreeBSD-current or to convince my employers who were so enamored of FreeBSD that we should rebuild the server with Linux, I'm going prefork. worth skimming the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives. if the issue has already been fixed in the freebsd kernel, you'd need to upgrade from 4.5 It still doesn't work precisely as it should though. I decided to go with the cvs builds of apache and mod_perl. I have to confess that the installation instructions seem strange (both for CVS and non-CVS). You have to build and install Apache in order to get the include files to build mod_perl. Then after doing a make for mod_perl you are supposed to go back to Apache and configure, make, make-install -- even though the mod_perl make touched nothing in the Apache tree! I assume after all of this you do make install on both Apache and mod_perl although the doc doesn't say so. the docs are broken then. all you have to do is: - install perl - install apache - build modperl with: perl Makefile.PL MP_AP_PREFIX=/usr/local/apache2 make test make install I suppose I could have done --enable-threads in Apache with --with-mpm=prefork and it might have worked. Is that considered kosher? maybe. but if you are using prefork, no need to build perl with -Dusethreads
Re: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Paul G. Weiss wrote: Sorry if this has been covered - I searched to no avail. I'm getting the following error when trying to start an Apache 2.0.36 with ModPerl::Registry: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/auto/Apache/Request Rec/RequestRec.so: Undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr All relevant build info is below. Has anyone seen and conquered this? Confirmed, I've a similar problem on linux with 5.6.1 /home/stas/httpd/prefork/bin/httpd: relocation error: /home/stas/apache.org/mp-5.6.1-prefork/ModPerl-Registry/t/../../blib/arch/Apache2/auto/Apache/RequestIO/RequestIO.so: undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2pv it happens when I run the test suite in: ModPerl-Registry: and I've traced it down to: print exists $ENV{QUERY_STRING} $ENV{QUERY_STRING}; Though I don't understand why there is relocation error, the libperl.so lib includes the symbol: nm /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so | grep Perl_sv_2pv 0009ae10 T Perl_sv_2pv and mod_perl is linked against it: ldd src/modules/perl/mod_perl.so libperl.so = /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so (0x40023000) __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
I should also mention -- my perl is patched with the patch to DynaLoader.pm that Doug MacEachern posted in this list. -P -Original Message- From: Stas Bekman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:06 AM To: Paul G. Weiss Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr Paul G. Weiss wrote: Sorry if this has been covered - I searched to no avail. I'm getting the following error when trying to start an Apache 2.0.36 with ModPerl::Registry: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/auto/ Apache/Request Rec/RequestRec.so: Undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr All relevant build info is below. Has anyone seen and conquered this? Confirmed, I've a similar problem on linux with 5.6.1 /home/stas/httpd/prefork/bin/httpd: relocation error: /home/stas/apache.org/mp-5.6.1-prefork/ModPerl-Registry/t/../. ./blib/arch/Apache2/auto/Apache/RequestIO/RequestIO.so: undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2pv it happens when I run the test suite in: ModPerl-Registry: and I've traced it down to: print exists $ENV{QUERY_STRING} $ENV{QUERY_STRING}; Though I don't understand why there is relocation error, the libperl.so lib includes the symbol: nm /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-mult i/CORE/libperl.so | grep Perl_sv_2pv 0009ae10 T Perl_sv_2pv and mod_perl is linked against it: ldd src/modules/perl/mod_perl.so libperl.so = /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-mult i/CORE/libperl.so (0x40023000) __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Paul G. Weiss wrote: I had already thought of that. Strace shows that the correct libperl.so is the one that is being loaded. Just to make sure I deleted all others and did ln -s /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/CORE /usr/lib but strace tells me that it is still directly loading the correct one, probably because of the -Wl,-R/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/CORE used in linking mod_perl.so. ok. That being said I tried the LoadFile directive as you suggested. This indeed lets the system start, but now it can serve no pages ( not even static ones ). This is true even when all mod_perl configuration directive are removed from the conf file (except the LoadFile and the LoadModule). However, when I do httpd -X, it works - I can even serve mod_perl content. But regular httpd just hangs. The strace output of an httpd process shows this: accept(5, {sin_family=AF_INET6, sin6_port=htons(1303), inet_pton(AF_INET6, :::65.204.1.133, sin6_addr), sin6_flowinfo=0}, [28]) = 20 could this be a version of freebsd with broken threads support? i've heard many cases of that. chances are if you rebuild perl without -Dusethreads and apache with the prefork mpm, this problem won't be there.
Re: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
could this be a version of freebsd with broken threads support? i've heard many cases of that. chances are if you rebuild perl without -Dusethreads and apache with the prefork mpm, this problem won't be there. so the problem that I see on linux is unrelated? this tested with prefork Apache cvs and perl built as: ./Configure -des -Dprefix=/home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread \ -Dusethreads -Doptimize='-g' -Duseshrplib -Dusedevel Stas Bekman wrote: Paul G. Weiss wrote: Sorry if this has been covered - I searched to no avail. I'm getting the following error when trying to start an Apache 2.0.36 with ModPerl::Registry: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/auto/Apache/Request Rec/RequestRec.so: Undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr All relevant build info is below. Has anyone seen and conquered this? Confirmed, I've a similar problem on linux with 5.6.1 /home/stas/httpd/prefork/bin/httpd: relocation error: /home/stas/apache.org/mp-5.6.1-prefork/ModPerl-Registry/t/../../blib/arch/Apache2/auto/Apache/RequestIO/RequestIO.so: undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2pv it happens when I run the test suite in: ModPerl-Registry: and I've traced it down to: print exists $ENV{QUERY_STRING} $ENV{QUERY_STRING}; Though I don't understand why there is relocation error, the libperl.so lib includes the symbol: nm /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so | grep Perl_sv_2pv 0009ae10 T Perl_sv_2pv and mod_perl is linked against it: ldd src/modules/perl/mod_perl.so libperl.so = /home/stas/perl/5.6.1-ithread/lib/5.6.1/i686-linux-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so (0x40023000) __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com -- __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Stas Bekman wrote: so the problem that I see on linux is unrelated? dunno, i built with -Duseshrplib and seems ok linkage wise. tho some ModPerl-Registry are tests failing with the same problem in special_blocks: # testing : ModPerl::Registry is not running BEGIN blocks on the second req # expected: '' # received: undef not ok 6
RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Paul G. Weiss wrote: I suspect that pre-fork would work too, but I'm desparately trying to get threads working. you should try a different os then. i'm sitting next to the guy who wrote worker mpm, he says the freebsd thread library does not work well enough for use with apache. which is why the apache configure is supposed to force disabling of threads on freebsd (which is what i saw), not sure how you were able to end up with APR_HAVE_THREADS 1. there is more in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail archive on this subject.
RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
OK, until I can decide whether to take a chance on FreeBSD-current or to convince my employers who were so enamored of FreeBSD that we should rebuild the server with Linux, I'm going prefork. It still doesn't work precisely as it should though. I decided to go with the cvs builds of apache and mod_perl. I have to confess that the installation instructions seem strange (both for CVS and non-CVS). You have to build and install Apache in order to get the include files to build mod_perl. Then after doing a make for mod_perl you are supposed to go back to Apache and configure, make, make-install -- even though the mod_perl make touched nothing in the Apache tree! I assume after all of this you do make install on both Apache and mod_perl although the doc doesn't say so. Even after all of that I *still* get the Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr error! Putting in the explicit LoadFile for libperl.so gets rid of that problem, only to create another: Cannot load /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so into server: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-freebsd-thread-multi/CORE/libperl.so: Undefined symbol pthread_getspecific Presumably this is because the Perl I used had thread support. My workaround is to edit apachectl to preload libc_r.so: start|stop|restart|graceful) LD_PRELOAD=libc_r.so $HTTPD -k $ARGV ERROR=$? ;; startssl|sslstart|start-SSL) LD_PRELOAD=libc_r.so $HTTPD -k start -DSSL ERROR=$? and finally everything appears to be working. I suppose I could have done --enable-threads in Apache with --with-mpm=prefork and it might have worked. Is that considered kosher? Anyway this seems good enough for now. -P -Original Message- From: Paul G. Weiss Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:22 PM To: 'Doug MacEachern' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr I suspect that pre-fork would work too, but I'm desparately trying to get threads working. Here is apr.h [/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/perl]# grep -i thread /usr/local/apache2/include/apr.h #define APR_HAVE_PTHREAD_H 1 #define APR_USE_PROC_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE0 #define APR_USE_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE 1 #define APR_HAS_PROC_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE0 #define APR_HAS_THREADS 1 #define APR_HAS_XTHREAD_FILES 0 #define APR_THREAD_FUNC /* Does the proc mutex lock threads too */ One more odd thing to report: I've noticed that I have both libc.so and libc_r.so in the mix. That can't be good, can it? Here is why I think so: INSTALLATION The current FreeBSD POSIX thread implementation is built in the library libc_r which contains both thread-safe libc functions and the thread functions. This library replaces libc for threaded applications. By default, libc_r is built as part of a 'make world'. To disable the build of libc_r you must supply the '-DNOLIBC_R' option to make(1). A FreeBSD specific option has been added to gcc to make linking threaded processes simple. gcc -pthread links a threaded process against libc_r instead of libc. -P [/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/perl]# LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 \ /usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd libaprutil.so.0 = /usr/local/apache2/lib/libaprutil.so.0 (0x280a9000) libapr.so.0 = /usr/local/apache2/lib/libapr.so.0 (0x280b9000) libm.so.2 = /usr/lib/libm.so.2 (0x280d4000) libcrypt.so.2 = /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 (0x280f) libssl.so.3 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.3 (0x28109000) libcrypto.so.3 = /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 (0x28136000) libexpat.so.1 = /usr/local/apache2/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x281ea000) libc_r.so.4 = /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (0x28206000) libc.so.4 = /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x282bb000) [/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/perl]# readelf -dD /usr/local/apache2/lib/libapr.so.0 Dynamic segment at offset 0x1941c contains 17 entries: TagType Name/Value 0x0001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.4] 0x000e (SONAME) Library soname: [libapr.so.0] 0x000c (INIT) 0x5f08 0x000d (FINI) 0x18164 0x0004 (HASH) 0x94 0x0005 (STRTAB) 0x3494 0x0006 (SYMTAB) 0x1184 0x000a (STRSZ) 8540 (bytes) 0x000b (SYMENT) 16 (bytes) 0x0003 (PLTGOT) 0x19fc8 0x0002 (PLTRELSZ) 2072 (bytes) 0x0014 (PLTREL) REL 0x0017 (JMPREL) 0x56f0 0x0011 (REL)0x55f0 0x0012 (RELSZ) 256 (bytes) 0x0013 (RELENT) 8 (bytes) 0x (NULL) 0x0 -Original Message- From: Doug MacEachern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Apache::ASP Undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
Hi, I am trying to get Apache ASP to work but haven't had a lot of luck. I have Apache 1.3.17 compiled with mod_ssl, php3 and mod_perl (which is as a module). Everyting is working fineexcept ASP pages. I am trying the demo ones included but each time I try I get the following in the error log. /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd-multi/auto/SDBM_File/SDBM_File.so: Undefined symbol "Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr" Any ideas? Regards, Adam Cioccarelli
Re: Apache::ASP Undefined symbol Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
CioccarelliA wrote: Hi, I am trying to get Apache ASP to work but haven't had a lot of luck. I have Apache 1.3.17 compiled with mod_ssl, php3 and mod_perl (which is as a module). Everyting is working fineexcept ASP pages. I am trying the demo ones included but each time I try I get the following in the error log. /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd-multi/auto/SDBM_File/SDBM_File.so: Undefined symbol "Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr" There is something wrong with your perl build. I would recommend rebuilding it so that SDBM_File works, which is a standard module that comes with perl that Apache::ASP uses. If you don't wan't to deal with it, you can comment out instances of: use MLDBM; use SDBM_File; in ASP.pm and then set PerlSetVar NoState 1, but you won't get $Session or $Application objects. If you wanted a $Session still, you could then use Apache::Session to initialize $Session in your global.asa Script_OnStart and it would be much the same for you with $Session available to all your scripts. To test your perl for SDBM_File working, you can do something like perl -MSDBM_File -e ';' which will at least test the module for loading. If you want to rebuild your perl, I'd recommend installing it into another part of your system, so if your old perl were in /usr/... then I'd install the new perl in /usr/local/..., this way so you don't have to deal with one perl overlaying another possibly. Then you'd have to rebuild mod_perl against your new perl. -- Josh _ Joshua Chamas Chamas Enterprises Inc. NodeWorks free web link monitoring Huntington Beach, CA USA http://www.nodeworks.com1-714-625-4051