Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[John Dunlap]

That's exactly what I do as well. Debian on both the server and on the
development machine.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Vincent Veyron  wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 12:40:14 + (UTC)
> " daniel.axtell"  wrote:
>
> >
> > 
> > On Mon, 10/3/16, Vincent Veyron  wrote:
> >  Now all I need to do to get up and running is
> >  :
> >
> >  apt install
> >  apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-request-perl
> >  libapache2-mod-perl2 libapache2-mod-apreq2 apache2.2-common
> >
> >
> >  and from then on :
> >
> >  apt upgrade
> >
> >
> > Thanks.  What version of Debian are you using? I have a Digital Ocean
> droplet running Ubuntu 16.04.1.
> >
>
> I use Debian stable, so whatever the current version is (8.5 now). I tried
> Ubuntu a while back and found they complicated things. Particularly for a
> server, I would suggest Debian instead (for that matter I've been perfectly
> content with my workstation running Debian stable, this way my development
> environnement matches my servers').
>
> >When I try the above, I get:
> > Package apache2.2-common is not available, but is referred to by another
> package.
>
> Duh! my bad, this was taken from my install notes, which date from 2014;
> sorry about that.
>
> As Dominic wrote, I think you can do away with the apache2.X-common bit.
>
> > I gather that with virtual servers like the DigitalOcean droplets and
> Amazon EC2 instances, once you build everything from source it's easy to
> replicate the image, so maybe that's the next best thing.
>
> Depends on your use case. If you have to create multiple instances
> frequently, maybe so, although there are configuration tools as well
> (Puppet/Ansible/Chef/Salt...).
>
> I'm too small for that, it's easier for me to just write a few basic
> commands like the one I posted, and my machines last a _long_ time. Also I
> work with bare metal, I haven't tested virtualized servers at all.
>
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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Vincent Veyron]

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 12:40:14 + (UTC)
" daniel.axtell"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 10/3/16, Vincent Veyron  wrote:
>  Now all I need to do to get up and running is
>  :
>  
>  apt install
>  apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-request-perl
>  libapache2-mod-perl2 libapache2-mod-apreq2 apache2.2-common
>  
>  
>  and from then on :
>  
>  apt upgrade
>  
> 
> Thanks.  What version of Debian are you using? I have a Digital Ocean droplet 
> running Ubuntu 16.04.1.  
> 

I use Debian stable, so whatever the current version is (8.5 now). I tried 
Ubuntu a while back and found they complicated things. Particularly for a 
server, I would suggest Debian instead (for that matter I've been perfectly 
content with my workstation running Debian stable, this way my development 
environnement matches my servers').

>When I try the above, I get:
> Package apache2.2-common is not available, but is referred to by another 
> package.

Duh! my bad, this was taken from my install notes, which date from 2014; sorry 
about that.

As Dominic wrote, I think you can do away with the apache2.X-common bit.

> I gather that with virtual servers like the DigitalOcean droplets and Amazon 
> EC2 instances, once you build everything from source it's easy to replicate 
> the image, so maybe that's the next best thing.

Depends on your use case. If you have to create multiple instances frequently, 
maybe so, although there are configuration tools as well 
(Puppet/Ansible/Chef/Salt...). 

I'm too small for that, it's easier for me to just write a few basic commands 
like the one I posted, and my machines last a _long_ time. Also I work with 
bare metal, I haven't tested virtualized servers at all.

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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Dominic Hargreaves]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:40:14PM +,  daniel.axtell wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 10/3/16, Vincent Veyron  wrote:
>  Now all I need to do to get up and running is
>  :
>  
>  apt install
>  apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-request-perl
>  libapache2-mod-perl2 libapache2-mod-apreq2 apache2.2-common
>  
>  
>  and from then on :
>  
>  apt upgrade
>  
> 
> Thanks.  What version of Debian are you using? I have a Digital Ocean droplet 
> running Ubuntu 16.04.1.  When I try the above, I get:
> 
> Package apache2.2-common is not available, but is referred to by another 
> package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> However the following packages replace it:
>   apache2:i386 apache2
> 
> Package apache2-mpm-prefork is not available, but is referred to by another 
> package.
> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
> is only available from another source
> 
> E: Package 'apache2-mpm-prefork' has no installation candidate
> E: Package 'apache2.2-common' has no installation candidate
> 
> I gather Ubuntu has deprecated Apache 2.2.   Most distributions seem to be 
> using Apache 2.4 for a long time.  So I'm wondering if there's an out-of-box 
> way get Apache 2.4 and mod_perl working without building from source.  I 
> gather from the docs that mod_perl 2.0.9 has problems with Perl 5.22.   
> Centos 7 doesn't even offer mod_perl from the default repository, there's a 
> 2.0.8 version from a third-party repository but I can't get anything to 
> actually execute.
> 
> I gather that with virtual servers like the DigitalOcean droplets and Amazon 
> EC2 instances, once you build everything from source it's easy to replicate 
> the image, so maybe that's the next best thing.
> 

Hi,

Debian has provided a version of mod_perl (libapache2-mod-perl2) which
(I believe) works with Apache 2.4 since the switch in Debian 8 - and it
looks like this is also the case in Ubuntu 14.04 onwards. The command
you tried above won't work for any distro with Apache 2.4 for obvious
reasons but you should be able to get up and running with the packaged
version on Ubuntu 16.04 by omitting the -common package (I'd imagine
it'd be pulled in anyway).

Dominic.

Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Vincent Veyron]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:08:09 + (UTC)
" daniel.axtell"  wrote:

> I'm curious if people here find a particular Linux distribution Perl and 
> mod_perl friendly

7 years of using Debian stable without any problem.

> 
> Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from source is the 
> way to go?
> 

I used to build from source, it gets old after a while if you don't have a real 
need for it (think backup servers + updates )

Now all I need to do to get up and running is :

apt install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-request-perl libapache2-mod-perl2 
libapache2-mod-apreq2 apache2.2-common 

and from then on :

apt upgrade


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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Lathan Bidwell]

We went through a bit of an tricky patch when Ubuntu prematurely switched
from Apache 2.2 to 2.4 (with major changes needed for mod_perl to work),
like 6-12months before it was ready.

But otherwise, I have not had any major issues with ubuntu and
apache/mod_perl.



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On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Dr James Smith  wrote:

> We tend to now use Ubuntu LTS set ups for our webservers - currently a mix
> of 12.04, 14.04 and 16.04 depening on which part of the production cycle we
> are on (yes we have at least 60 for approx 120 different websites)...
>
> On 03/10/2016 18:09, John Dunlap wrote:
>
> You're going to be better off with Debian than you will be with CentOS
> because Debian actually ships with precompiled mod_perl packages.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:08 PM, daniel.axtell 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to migrate a site with a lot of Perl legacy code running
>> under Apache 2.2 and mod_perl.  The server I was migrating to uses CentOS
>> 7, and the default Apache 2.4 and perl 5.16 seem unusually difficult to
>> configure.  I'm not even able to get CGI scripts to run.   In the past I've
>> built Perl, Apache and mod_perl from source, but that seems like a lot of
>> unnecessary work.  Ideally I'd like to use the stock Apache and Perl from
>> the distribution, and just install CPAN modules, data and config files and
>> go.  I'm curious if people here find a particular Linux distribution Perl
>> and mod_perl friendly, as the RedHat and CentOS distributions seem pretty
>> hostile.  CentOS 7 has a third-party module of mod_perl 2.0.8 but if I
>> can't get CGI working correctly I don't really trust it.
>>
>> Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from source is
>> the way to go?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Dr James Smith]

We tend to now use Ubuntu LTS set ups for our webservers - currently a 
mix of 12.04, 14.04 and 16.04 depening on which part of the production 
cycle we are on (yes we have at least 60 for approx 120 different 
websites)...



On 03/10/2016 18:09, John Dunlap wrote:
You're going to be better off with Debian than you will be with CentOS 
because Debian actually ships with precompiled mod_perl packages.


On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:08 PM, daniel.axtell > wrote:


I've been trying to migrate a site with a lot of Perl legacy code
running under Apache 2.2 and mod_perl.  The server I was migrating
to uses CentOS 7, and the default Apache 2.4 and perl 5.16 seem
unusually difficult to configure.  I'm not even able to get CGI
scripts to run.   In the past I've built Perl, Apache and mod_perl
from source, but that seems like a lot of unnecessary work. 
Ideally I'd like to use the stock Apache and Perl from the

distribution, and just install CPAN modules, data and config files
and go.  I'm curious if people here find a particular Linux
distribution Perl and mod_perl friendly, as the RedHat and CentOS
distributions seem pretty hostile.  CentOS 7 has a third-party
module of mod_perl 2.0.8 but if I can't get CGI working correctly
I don't really trust it.

Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from
source is the way to go?

Dan




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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[Ruben Safir]

On 10/03/2016 01:09 PM, John Dunlap wrote:
> You're going to be better off with Debian than you will be with CentOS
> because Debian actually ships with precompiled mod_perl packages.
> 

manjaro with openrc

> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:08 PM, daniel.axtell  > wrote:
> 
> I've been trying to migrate a site with a lot of Perl legacy code
> running under Apache 2.2 and mod_perl.  The server I was migrating
> to uses CentOS 7, and the default Apache 2.4 and perl 5.16 seem
> unusually difficult to configure.  I'm not even able to get CGI
> scripts to run.   In the past I've built Perl, Apache and mod_perl
> from source, but that seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  Ideally
> I'd like to use the stock Apache and Perl from the distribution, and
> just install CPAN modules, data and config files and go.  I'm
> curious if people here find a particular Linux distribution Perl and
> mod_perl friendly, as the RedHat and CentOS distributions seem
> pretty hostile.  CentOS 7 has a third-party module of mod_perl 2.0.8
> but if I can't get CGI working correctly I don't really trust it.
> 
> Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from
> source is the way to go?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[John Dunlap]

You're going to be better off with Debian than you will be with CentOS
because Debian actually ships with precompiled mod_perl packages.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:08 PM, daniel.axtell 
wrote:

> I've been trying to migrate a site with a lot of Perl legacy code running
> under Apache 2.2 and mod_perl.  The server I was migrating to uses CentOS
> 7, and the default Apache 2.4 and perl 5.16 seem unusually difficult to
> configure.  I'm not even able to get CGI scripts to run.   In the past I've
> built Perl, Apache and mod_perl from source, but that seems like a lot of
> unnecessary work.  Ideally I'd like to use the stock Apache and Perl from
> the distribution, and just install CPAN modules, data and config files and
> go.  I'm curious if people here find a particular Linux distribution Perl
> and mod_perl friendly, as the RedHat and CentOS distributions seem pretty
> hostile.  CentOS 7 has a third-party module of mod_perl 2.0.8 but if I
> can't get CGI working correctly I don't really trust it.
>
> Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from source is
> the way to go?
>
> Dan
>



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Recommended Linux distribution for LAMP/mod_perl

[daniel.axtell]

I've been trying to migrate a site with a lot of Perl legacy code running under 
Apache 2.2 and mod_perl.  The server I was migrating to uses CentOS 7, and the 
default Apache 2.4 and perl 5.16 seem unusually difficult to configure.  I'm 
not even able to get CGI scripts to run.   In the past I've built Perl, Apache 
and mod_perl from source, but that seems like a lot of unnecessary work.  
Ideally I'd like to use the stock Apache and Perl from the distribution, and 
just install CPAN modules, data and config files and go.  I'm curious if people 
here find a particular Linux distribution Perl and mod_perl friendly, as the 
RedHat and CentOS distributions seem pretty hostile.  CentOS 7 has a 
third-party module of mod_perl 2.0.8 but if I can't get CGI working correctly I 
don't really trust it.

Should I just assume building everything in the LAMP stack from source is the 
way to go?

Dan