RE: Upgrade to Apache 1.3.12 or ... ? dear ME!

2000-03-13 Thread Boyce, Nick

"Tim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 what a shame that the apache sysadmin is too lazy to update

I think that's kind of uncalled-for. 

Points :
1) I expect Brian Behlendorf (sp?) is at the ApacheCon conference, has been
preparing for it, and/or is on his way back.
Either way, he'll have been a mite busy just lately.
2) As Lewis Bergman explained just now :
"Do you run scripts which are subject to the cross site scripting
addressed in
 one of the latest CERT's. 1.3.12 addresses this problem."
   The main point of 1.3.12 is to address those security problems; if a
website doesn't have any dynamic content, and hasn't hit any of the other
(mostly minor ?) bugs fixed in 1.3.12, then there's no *need* to upgrade.

What's your purpose ?

Nick
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RE: Excessive Quoting (was can't find openssl.cnf)

1999-09-17 Thread Boyce, Nick

On 10th.September.1999, Ralf S. Engelschall wrote :

 On Fri, Sep 10, 1999, Sun JunXu wrote:
 
 [...3 quoted mail headers removed...]
 [...5 quoted mailing list footers removed...]
 
 Errr... sorry if I had to complain now, but the thread becomes horrible:
have
 you guys ever heard that one should edit _and strip down_ the quotation
text
 when sending a reply in order to make it readable to the receivers?  It's
more
 than lame to send a four line reply with 3 quoted mail headers and 5
quoted
 mailing list footers attached to the message.  
 
 Additionally: it's considered bad practice to write your reply paragraph
above
 the quotation. So please make yourself a favor and invest[igate] a few
minutes
 per day more time when writing to mailing lists like this. 
[snip]
 Thanks.

I haven't read this list in my mailbox for a couple of weeks, and was just
on the point of making the same point/complaint myself. Just in case anyone
thinks Ralf might be the only listmember who thinks this, I decided to add
my voice anyway - *please* trim unnecessary stuff from quoted messages.

I know part of the problem is that many of us are (at work) having to use
Micro$oft Outlook, which makes intelligent quoting fairly difficult. It puts
the quoted text after the reply which means that (a) inline quoting is
tediously manual, (b) lots of folks don't even look at the quoted message in
their reply - they don't look past their own signature lines - so they
forget the quoted bit is even there. But as Ralf says, it only takes a few
minutes of extra effort, and makes the Net a better place. Please try.

[Ralf: feel free to moderate this out of the list]

Cheers,
Nick
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RE: Ultrix Problem: Build Can't Find SSL Headers

1999-05-06 Thread Boyce, Nick

On 5th.May.1999 Mads Toftum wrote

 You should have SSL_BASE=../openssl-SNAP-19990426 on the same line as the
 ./configure  

Sorry, but that failed in just the same way :

 = cut ==
 
In directory /data/arc/apache/mod_ssl-2.2.8-1.3.6 :-

SSL_BASE=../openssl-SNAP-19990426 \
./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.6 \
--with-ssl=../openssl-SNAP-19990426 \
--prefix=/usr/local/apache \
--disable-rule=SSL_COMPAT

Configuring mod_ssl/2.2.8 for Apache/1.3.6
 + Apache location: ../apache_1.3.6 (Version 1.3.6)
 + OpenSSL location: ../openssl-SNAP-19990426
 + Auxiliary patch tool: ./etc/patch/patch (local)
 + Applying packages to Apache source tree:
   o Extended API (EAPI)
   o Distribution Documents
   o SSL Module Source
   o SSL Support
   o SSL Configuration Additions
   o SSL Module Documentation
   o Addons
Done: source extension and patches successfully applied.

Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.6
 + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout)
Creating Makefile
Creating Configuration.apaci in src
Creating Makefile in src
 + configured for ULTRIX platform
 + setting C compiler to cc
 + setting C pre-processor to cc -E
 + checking for system header files
 + adding selected modules
o ssl_module uses ConfigStart/End
  + SSL interface: mod_ssl/2.2.8
  + SSL interface build type: OBJ
  + SSL interface compatibility: disabled
  + SSL interface experimental code: disabled
  + SSL interface vendor extensions: disabled
Unknown flag
  + SSL interface plugin: Configured DBM (-ldbm)
Error: Cannot find SSL header files under
/data/arc/apache/openssl-SNAP-19990426
  + SSL library path: /data/arc/apache/openssl-SNAP-19990426
./configure:Error: APACI failed
  
 = cut ==
 
... and in fact it also failed the same way when I tried it without *any* 
declaration for SSL_BASE. But thanks for the help anyway.
 Nick Boyce
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RE: Problems using https:

1999-05-06 Thread Boyce, Nick

 We can access non secure web pages as "http://server/" and 
 "http://server/~user" but "https://server/" fails with the 
 following error message:
 
   Netscape's network connection was refused by the server:
   ServerName
   The server may not be accepting connections or 
   may be busy.
 
   Try connecting again later.

I'm not an expert but ... This rather implies that your server machine has
no process listening on port 443. I think you should post relevant details
from your httpd.conf file(s) and/or output from 
"netstat -a | grep LISTEN"

Are you sure you've modified the server config to cause it to expect SSL
connections (as well as built it to be capable of them) ?
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Re: What is the difference between apache-ssl and apache-modssl?

1999-05-05 Thread Boyce, Nick

On Tue, May 04, 1999 at 07:40:58PM -0400, John Ioannidis wrote:

 Are they just different distributions, or are there fundamental
differences?
 
 I couldn't find the answer to this in the FAQs of either.
 
 I hope this isn't yet another religious thing...

Not exactly : Apache_SSL is a set of patches to Apache which enable Apache
to speak SSL, and was written by Ben Laurie. As a (complex) set of patches,
it requires major skill level to get up and running, and is said to be
definitely not for the fainthearted (= significant Unix knowledge required).
This package came first.

As there are a lot of the more fainthearted of us who would like to run
SSL-capable web-servers, Ralf Engelschall developed mod_SSL as a new Apache
module, *based on* a particular release of Ben Laurie's Apache_SSL, but
smartened up, "bug-fixed" and made less terrifying for the rest of us, with
an easier roadmap to follow for installation.

Both implementations use the SSLeay crypto library (now known as "OpenSSL",
since the SSLeay authors gained employment with a certain company) to do the
crypting stuff.

You can use whichever package appeals to you; mod_SSL is easier (my
opinion). I don't know whether there are advantages to still using
Apache_SSL, like maybe you gain access to tweaking more facilities that
(maybe) mod_SSL hides with suitable defaults behind its friendly face. [ I'm
speculating wildly here. ]

As Tom Minchin said in another reply a few minutes ago, there's more
information in the FAQ, where you will find Ralf's answer to this one. See
http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.3/ssl_faq.html

Regards,
 Nick Boyce
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Ultrix Problem: Build Can't Find SSL Headers

1999-05-05 Thread Boyce, Nick

I've raised this with Ralf E via the Mod_SSL Jitterbug system, but either
I'm posting followup mail to the wrong address, or he's away right now, as
it's all gone quiet.

So I thought I'd try this on the list members, betting that this is a common
problem :

So far: openssl-SNAP-19990426 built OK
"make -f Makefile.ssl links" done OK
"make install" done OK

But, when I try building mod_ssl-2.2.8_1.3.6, I get :-

= cut ==

SSL_BASE=../openssl-SNAP-19990426

./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.6 \
--with-ssl=../openssl-SNAP-19990426 \
--prefix=/usr/local/apache \
--disable-rule=SSL_COMPAT   

Configuring mod_ssl/2.2.8 for Apache/1.3.6
 + Apache location: ../apache_1.3.6 (Version 1.3.6)
 + OpenSSL location: ../openssl-SNAP-19990426
 + Auxiliary patch tool: ./etc/patch/patch (local)
 + Applying packages to Apache source tree:
   o Extended API (EAPI)
   o Distribution Documents
   o SSL Module Source
   o SSL Support
   o SSL Configuration Additions
   o SSL Module Documentation
   o Addons
Done: source extension and patches successfully applied.

Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.6
 + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout)
Creating Makefile
Creating Configuration.apaci in src
Creating Makefile in src
 + configured for ULTRIX platform
 + setting C compiler to cc
 + setting C pre-processor to cc -E
 + checking for system header files
 + adding selected modules
o ssl_module uses ConfigStart/End
  + SSL interface: mod_ssl/2.2.8
  + SSL interface build type: OBJ
  + SSL interface compatibility: disabled
  + SSL interface experimental code: disabled
  + SSL interface vendor extensions: disabled
Unknown flag
  + SSL interface plugin: Configured DBM (-ldbm)
Error: Cannot find SSL header files under
/data/arc/apache/openssl-SNAP-19990426
  + SSL library path: /data/arc/apache/openssl-SNAP-19990426
./configure:Error: APACI failed

= cut ==

So ... the big question is : does anyone know what these "SSL Header Files"
are called, so I can look for them on my system, and devise some way of
telling "configure" where that place is ?

I've compared the contents of openssl-0.9.2b and openssl-SNAP-19990426
(which I need to get a build working on Ultrix) and there's no apparent
difference in header file content.

Also, I can't help wondering what that "Unknown flag" message is about, just
before it chokes to death.

Regards,
 Nick Boyce
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