Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:24:43PM -0300, Bruno Negr?o wrote: I agree Mark, i've posted my module on the DateTime mailing list. Let's see what they say about it. But i think the DateTime project is not gaining fair promotion once their modules are not even appearing on the main Module List in the cpan's site at http://www.cpan.org/modules/00modlist.long.html. If people should concentrate effort in making this framework the solution for Dates and times related problems, the DateTime namespace should at least appear on the Module List, right? I think there is a separate more general issue that the module list is losing relevance. I think a lot of people (like myself), use http://search.cpan.org as a primary method for finding useful modules. As a CPAN user, I don't consult the list when looking for modules. As a module writer, I have abandoned caring if my modules appear on the list, because I have the perception it's not used much anymore. So I would say a more important issue is that the DateTime modules don't show up in the first 100 results for Date on that website: http://search.cpan.org/search?m=allq=dates=1n=100 I think part of the solution to fix that is to have more contributions to the CPAN ratings system, and consider the ratings in the search results. Mark -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mark StosbergPrincipal Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Summersault, LLC 765-939-9301 ext 202 database driven websites . . . . . http://www.summersault.com/ . . . . . . . .
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Stosberg) writes: I think part of the solution to fix that is to have more contributions to the CPAN ratings system, and consider the ratings in the search results. The searching in search.cpan.org is, unfortunately, pretty awful. At some point I plan to sit down and try using Plucene as a search engine for module data. This would, of course, be easier if the search.cpan.org code was more widely available. *cough* -- Death Damned electrons get into everything. Death I found them in my BUTTERDISH just the other day.
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
I think there is a separate more general issue that the module list is losing relevance. I think a lot of people (like myself), use http://search.cpan.org as a primary method for finding useful modules. As a CPAN user, I don't consult the list when looking for modules. As a module writer, I have abandoned caring if my modules appear on the list, because I have the perception it's not used much anymore. Since i heard this from you, i have always had the idea that the modules in the Module List were the mainstream modules and we should consider them first than the other ones in search.cpan.org. Hmm, i think everybody who is new to perl think the same way i was thinking and it takes a long time to realize that the Module List is not the main source for the modules, or the main inspiration source for namespaces. No, i really endorse that the most important(or popular) modules and/or namespaces shall appear in the Module List. bruno.
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether: The searching in search.cpan.org is, unfortunately, pretty awful. At some point I plan to sit down and try using Plucene as a search engine for module data. I thought that would be a good idea too, so I tried it. It works *fairly* well. http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPAN-IndexPod/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Stupid is a boundless concept.
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 06:08:16PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether: The searching in search.cpan.org is, unfortunately, pretty awful. At some point I plan to sit down and try using Plucene as a search engine for module data. I thought that would be a good idea too, so I tried it. It works *fairly* well. http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPAN-IndexPod/ Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds? It would be nice if it did and if search.cpan.org indexed it. That would mean that it would be no longer necessary to name your module along the lines of XML::HTTP::Network::Daemon::TextProcessing::Business::Papersize::GIS so that people can find it, F
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott W Gifford) writes: It would be interesting to calculate the importance of a module by how many other modules link to it, either via a use statement or by reference in the POD, much like Google does with Web page links. Someone's already done this for CPAN, but I can't find it at the moment. There's a project called Nutch that has abstracted out much of PageRank and that sort of thing that would be useful, if anybody is interested. Algorithm::PageRank has also abstracted out much of PageRank... :) -- Oh dear. I've just realised that my fvwm config lasted longer than my marriage, in that case. - Anonymous
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
* Scott W Gifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-14 19:38]: It would be interesting to calculate the importance of a module by how many other modules link to it, either via a use statement or by reference in the POD, much like Google does with Web page links. I was thinking the same thing, and I remember that someone actually posted results from working code for something like that a while back. I don't have the time to dig through the archives right now, or I'd shake it up. There's a project called Nutch that has abstracted out much of PageRank and that sort of thing that would be useful, if anybody is interested. Nutch is written in Java, unfortunately for we Perl folks, but isn't too hard to work with. :) And as Lucene/Plucene show, it doesn't have to be difficult to reimplement good libraries in Perl, either. :-) Regards, -- Aristotle If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life seriously enough.
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 06:08:16PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether: The searching in search.cpan.org is, unfortunately, pretty awful. At some point I plan to sit down and try using Plucene as a search engine for module data. I thought that would be a good idea too, so I tried it. It works *fairly* well. http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPAN-IndexPod/ Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds? It would be nice if it did and if search.cpan.org indexed it. That would mean that it would be no longer necessary to name your module along the lines of XML::HTTP::Network::Daemon::TextProcessing::Business::Papersize::GIS so that people can find it, That's what the Description field is for. Tim.
Re: Finding prior art Perl modules (was: new module: Time::Seconds::GroupedBy)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:34:08PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: XML::HTTP::Network::Daemon::TextProcessing::Business::Papersize::GIS so that people can find it, That's what the Description field is for. There's a Description field? I accept responsibility for not knowing about this, I've never made an effort to see what is available. However, if search.cpan.org had allowed me to search by Description field I probably would have included one in all of my modules, F
