Re: META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-16 Thread Ken Williams
On Jul 14, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Randy W. Sims wrote:
The spec doesn't currently provide for keywords. I do think it would 
be a good idea, BUT I think it needs to be done in a way to avoid 
abuse.
I think maybe it would be better to put keywords right in the pod for 
the module, so they become part of the documentation too.  This is 
similar to the way they often appear in academic papers, right after 
the abstract - and people often find it useful for pinpointing the 
subject matter.

 -Ken


META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread Randy W. Sims
Fergal Daly wrote:
Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds?
The spec doesn't currently provide for keywords. I do think it would be 
a good idea, BUT I think it needs to be done in a way to avoid abuse. 
I'd hate to see META.yml files grow by the kb as authors add every 
conceivable keyword they can think of and try to manipulate the search. 
As limiting and as clumsy as it seems, I think that if keywords are 
added then it should be from a limited set of keywords, i.e. more of a 
classification scheme, really, where modules can appear under multiple 
classifications.

Randy.


Re: META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread Matthew Sachs
On Jul 14, 2004, at 12:11, Randy W. Sims wrote:
Fergal Daly wrote:
Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds?
As limiting and as clumsy as it seems, I think that if keywords are 
added then it should be from a limited set of keywords, i.e. more of a 
classification scheme, really, where modules can appear under multiple 
classifications.
Keywords are necessarily specific to the domain of the module, so I 
don't think that any global entity can designate an appropriate fixed 
set.  For instance, my module Net::OSCAR implements the protocol used 
by AOL Instant Messenger, so I'd give it keywords [OSCAR, AIM, 
IM, AOL Instant Messenger, instant messenger, instant 
messaging, chat].


Re: META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread darren chamberlain
* Randy W. Sims ml-perl at thepierianspring.org [2004/07/14 15:11]:
 Fergal Daly wrote:
 
 Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds?
 
 The spec doesn't currently provide for keywords.

Is anyone generating META.yaml files by hand?  I thought they were all
generated (and regenerated) by Module::Build/MakeMaker?  How would that
work in the case of keywords?

(darren)

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Re: META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread Mark Stosberg
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:11:11PM -0400, Randy W. Sims wrote:
 Fergal Daly wrote:
 
 Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds?
 
 The spec doesn't currently provide for keywords. I do think it would be 
 a good idea, BUT I think it needs to be done in a way to avoid abuse. 
 I'd hate to see META.yml files grow by the kb as authors add every 
 conceivable keyword they can think of and try to manipulate the search. 

The search algorithm could pay attention to the first X keywords and
ignore the rest. Or at least, it could heavily weight the first few.

I think this is part of how search engines prevent the same kind of
above of the meta-tag keyword system. You can put as many keywords as
you want into the list, but I think the search engines only really care
about the first few.

I would prefer something like this over the choosing from the fix list
idea.

Having free-form tags is a feature I like on: http://del.icio.us/
It allows new classifications to spontaneously appear.

Mark

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Re: META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread Scott W Gifford
Mark Stosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

 The search algorithm could pay attention to the first X keywords and
 ignore the rest. Or at least, it could heavily weight the first few.
 
 I think this is part of how search engines prevent the same kind of
 above of the meta-tag keyword system. You can put as many keywords as
 you want into the list, but I think the search engines only really care
 about the first few.

My understanding is that nowadays, most search engines ignore keywords
altogether, because they were so badly abused they became worthless.

ScottG.


META.yml keywords (was: Re: Finding prior art Perl modules)

2004-07-14 Thread Randy W. Sims
Fergal Daly wrote:
Does META.yaml have a place for keyowrds?
The spec doesn't currently provide for keywords. I do think it would be 
a good idea, BUT I think it needs to be done in a way to avoid abuse. 
I'd hate to see META.yml files grow by the kb as authors add every 
conceivable keyword they can think of and try to manipulate the search. 
As limiting and as clumsy as it seems, I think that if keywords are 
added then it should be from a limited set of keywords, i.e. more of a 
classification scheme, really, where modules can appear under multiple 
classifications.

Randy.