[Mono-dev] Moonlight crash with debugging

[Markku Tavasti]

I'm trying to debug problems in moonlight. Unfortunately, debugging it is
bit problematic

1) with MOONLIGHT_DEBUG I got plugin crash. Frotunately, I managed to find
it:

diff --git a/src/value.cpp b/src/value.cpp
index 3117f24..eda014d 100644
--- a/src/value.cpp
+++ b/src/value.cpp
@@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ Value::CreateUnrefPtr (Uri *uri)
result->SetKind (Type::URI);
result->u.uri = uri;
result->SetIsNull (false);
-   LOG_VALUE ("unref [delete] Value [%p] %s\n", result,
result->GetName());
+   // This crashes plugin at applcation load
+   //LOG_VALUE ("unref [delete] Value [%p] %s\n", result,
result->GetName());
return result;
 }

2) Running with valgrind moonlight will crash when silverlight app is
loaded. Crash will happen on same place:

==16548== Invalid read of size 4
==16548==at 0xA903F78: ???
==16548==by 0x8913680: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:620)
==16548==by 0x891361D: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:609)
==16548==by 0x89136AF: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*)) (animat
ion.cpp:574)
==16548==by 0x8A856F6: _moonlight_cbinding_storyboard_flatten_timelines
(cbinding.cpp:608
5)
==16548==by 0x1A916219: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9161C9: ???
==16548==by 0x1A915855: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9157D5: ???
==16548==by 0x1A914D87: ???
==16548==by 0x1A914147: ???
==16548==by 0x1A906E6D: ???
==16548==  Address 0xffa14944 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd
==16548==
==16548== Invalid write of size 4
==16548==at 0x8E231D4: mono_jit_info_table_find (domain.c:386)
==16548==by 0x8CE9B2E: mono_sigsegv_signal_handler (mini.c:5840)
==16548==by 0x406BB1F: ??? (in /lib/libpthread-2.11.1.so)
==16548==by 0x8913680: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:620)
==16548==by 0x891361D: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:609)
==16548==by 0x89136AF: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*)) (animat
ion.cpp:574)
==16548==by 0x8A856F6: _moonlight_cbinding_storyboard_flatten_timelines
(cbinding.cpp:608
5)
==16548==by 0x1A916219: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9161C9: ???
==16548==by 0x1A915855: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9157D5: ???
==16548==by 0x1A914D87: ???
==16548==  Address 0x7e7a00c is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd
==16548==
==16548== Invalid write of size 4
==16548==at 0x8E231DD: mono_jit_info_table_find (domain.c:387)
==16548==by 0x8CE9B2E: mono_sigsegv_signal_handler (mini.c:5840)
==16548==by 0x406BB1F: ??? (in /lib/libpthread-2.11.1.so)
==16548==by 0x8913680: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:620)
==16548==by 0x891361D: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*), Moonlig
ht::Timeline*, Moonlight::DependencyObject*, Moonlight::PropertyPath*)
(animation.cpp:609)
==16548==by 0x89136AF: Moonlight::Storyboard::FlattenTimelines(void
(*)(Moonlight::Timeli
ne const*, Moonlight::DependencyObject const*,
Moonlight::DependencyProperty const*)) (animat
ion.cpp:574)
==16548==by 0x8A856F6: _moonlight_cbinding_storyboard_flatten_timelines
(cbinding.cpp:608
5)
==16548==by 0x1A916219: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9161C9: ???
==16548==by 0x1A915855: ???
==16548==by 0x1A9157D5: ???
==16548==by 0x1A914D87: ???
==16548==  Address 0x7e7a010 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd
==16548==
==16548== Thread 2 return signal frame corrupted.  Killing process.
==16548==
==16548== Process terminating with default action of signal 11 (SIGSEGV):
dumping core
==16548==  General Protection Fault
==16548==at 0x406BB25: ??? (in /lib/libpthread-2.11.1.so)
==16548==by 0x8913680: Moonlight::Storyboard::F

Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop

[Miguel de Icaza]

Hello,

Is there an updated class status page for ML4? As well as a
> non-automatically generated overview of ML status? What works, what
> doesn't, what's missing, you know...
>

This is part of the build infrastructure that we are still trying to get
back up, so currently it is not available.

What you can do is use our gui-compare tool and compare the APIs between
the published and our versions of the assemblies to get an overview of what
is different.

Miguel
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop

[Joe Dluzen]

That's a bummer. Thanks for the clarification M.

Is there an updated class status page for ML4? As well as a
non-automatically generated overview of ML status? What works, what
doesn't, what's missing, you know...

Did you/Novell/Xamarin ask Microsoft to open source it? And if so, why
they said no?

Joe

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Miguel de Icaza  wrote:
>>
>> While Xamarin is busy in ARM land, I would hope that they could spend
>> just a bit of time and get the Moonlight trunk in a nice easy-to-build
>> state. Perhaps some ready-to-integrate static/shared libs too...
>>
>> Stefan, are you able to target Silverlight 4 OOB? That should take
>> care of Windows and Mac desktop.
>
> Moonlight is somewhere between 3.x and 4.x, with one gap: we do nto have any
> of the generic.xaml code that is needed to style the new controls, and
> Microsoft never open sourced the high-level libraries for 3.x and 4.x like
> they did for 2.x.   So there is a significant amount of work left to be done
> for complete compatibility.
> Miguel
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop application platform

[Miguel de Icaza]

> As far as I know, Moonlight is not being worked on anymore.  However, do
> not let me stop you from working on it.  I'm sure xamarin will accept
> patches.
>
> Gtk# is your best bet for a cross-platform GUI for desktop applications
> that will work on .net/windows, mono/windows, mono/linux, mono/mac, etc.
> The other choice would be ASP.NET.
>
> System.Windows.Forms works, but I do not think it is maintained anymore.
>

Although Xamarin does not maintain the assembly, a few brave developers
have been fixing some bugs on the stack in the past year.

We would certainly accept patches to fix issues in the code.

Miguel
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop

[Miguel de Icaza]

>
>
> While Xamarin is busy in ARM land, I would hope that they could spend
> just a bit of time and get the Moonlight trunk in a nice easy-to-build
> state. Perhaps some ready-to-integrate static/shared libs too...
>
> Stefan, are you able to target Silverlight 4 OOB? That should take
> care of Windows and Mac desktop.
>

Moonlight is somewhere between 3.x and 4.x, with one gap: we do nto have
any of the generic.xaml code that is needed to style the new controls, and
Microsoft never open sourced the high-level libraries for 3.x and 4.x like
they did for 2.x.   So there is a significant amount of work left to be
done for complete compatibility.

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop

[Joe Dluzen]

I always expected and hoped that Moonlight desktop would take off. It
always seemed like the most logical route. 99% (if not 100%) of your
code (including GUI code!) would target Silverlight/Moonlight 4, and
suddenly your app now runs on Windows Phone, Symbian, Xbox 360 (soon),
Windows, Mac, and Linux in the browser as well as out of browser. On
Linux OOB, you could even have the full runtime available. Microsoft
even lists Moonlight on their Silverlight page under system
requirements. Android demos of Moonlight have also been shown.

Ian Norton has been working on just this sort of thing:
https://github.com/inorton/MoonBase, though it seems to depend on GTK#
in some fashion, it most likely doesn't need the entire suite of libs.
Maybe we could isolate only what is needed (not using the Mono linker
I mean).

While Xamarin is busy in ARM land, I would hope that they could spend
just a bit of time and get the Moonlight trunk in a nice easy-to-build
state. Perhaps some ready-to-integrate static/shared libs too...

Stefan, are you able to target Silverlight 4 OOB? That should take
care of Windows and Mac desktop.

Joe

> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:04:36 +
> From: Stefan Dobrev 
> Subject:
>        application platform
> To: "mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com"
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>
> Hi guys,
>
> I know about your current vision that developers should use the native UI 
> toolkit for the platform that they are targeting, but nevertheless I want to 
> bring this question up. Are there any plans to support Moonlight as a cross 
> platform desktop application platform for Windows/Mac? If so what resources 
> should be delegated to implement the basics of the Windows part for example?
>
> I know that this may sound crazy, but feel free to express your wild ideas 
> and shoot in the dark
>
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop application platform

[Daniel Morgan]

As far as I know, Moonlight is not being worked on anymore.  However, do not 
let me stop you from working on it.  I'm sure xamarin will accept patches.


Gtk# is your best bet for a cross-platform GUI for desktop applications that 
will work on .net/windows, mono/windows, mono/linux, mono/mac, etc.
The other choice would be ASP.NET.

System.Windows.Forms works, but I do not think it is maintained anymore.



From: Stefan Dobrev 
To: "mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: [Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop 
application platform


 
Hi guys,
 
I know about your current vision that developers should use the native UI 
toolkit for the platform that they are targeting, but nevertheless I want to 
bring this question up. Are there any plans to support Moonlight as a cross 
platform desktop application platform for Windows/Mac? If so what resources 
should be delegated to implement the basics of the Windows part for example? 
 
I know that this may sound crazy, but feel free to express your wild ideas and 
shoot in the dark
 
-sdobrev
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight for Win/Mac as a cross platform desktop application platform

[Stefan Dobrev]

Hi guys,

I know about your current vision that developers should use the native UI 
toolkit for the platform that they are targeting, but nevertheless I want to 
bring this question up. Are there any plans to support Moonlight as a cross 
platform desktop application platform for Windows/Mac? If so what resources 
should be delegated to implement the basics of the Windows part for example?

I know that this may sound crazy, but feel free to express your wild ideas and 
shoot in the dark

-sdobrev
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[Mono-dev] moonlight-3.99.0.3-i586.xpi : problems (but where?)

[Mambo Knave]

I've subscribed to this mailing list in order to check the following.

Can someone, please, check how this video (Italian news) plays with
moonlight-3.99.0.3-i586.xpi
*
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-19c105e0-6672-4577-a6c4-a68a7b248d5f.html
*

I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 32b and the video does not come out at all. Just random
garbage (the sound is good, though).

Things are even worse with moonlight-2.4.1-i586.xpi. After installing
it,that video does not even start and claims that there is no Silverlight
installed.

At this point I don't know where the problem is. In my system? In Moonlight?
At the media source?

Thanks for checking!
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Krishna Kishore]

If you go through the link that I sent, you will get answers for all your
questions.
Compilation procedure is also explained in one of the links.
Mono is .NET framework on Linux.

Regards,
Kishore.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Sasi Rekha Kristam <
sasirekha.kris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
> happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kishore.
>>
>>   On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
>>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
>>> > information on the below topics?
>>> > - What is Moonlight?
>>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>>>
>>> > - Why Moonlight?
>>> > - Architecture
>>> > - Pros and Cons
>>> > - Sample websites
>>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
>>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Alan.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Sasi Rekha.
>>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Rafael Teixeira]

Well Mono is the father project of Moonlight.

As Silverlight depends on .NET, Moonlight depends on Mono.

Mono is an open source implementation o .NET, for many platforms, notably
Linux and MacOSX.
Moonlight is an open source implementation of Silverlight, which is a
competitor to Adobe Flash, a browser plugin that runs
visually sophisticated apps.

Moonlight is mainly written in C, specially the graphic routines, but embeds
a shrink-down version of Mono and a not-so-small subset of its class
libraries, that match what you have in Silverlight.

With Moonlight you can write your RIA app in C# + XAML (the xml language for
defining UI), add managed libraries written in almost any managed (.NET)
language, and pack for execution in the user's browser.

For developing Silverlight/Moonlight apps you'll need MS tools, as currently
there aren't good enough tools in Linux. You can develop writing everything
by hand, but that is very hard, as Moonlight is a huge beast to master, and
visual aspects are very important in such  apps.

Support for developing for Moonlight with the MonoDevelop IDE, is improving
but it is far from perfect currently.

Hope it helps,


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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam <
sasirekha.kris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
> happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kishore.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
>>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
>>> > information on the below topics?
>>> > - What is Moonlight?
>>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>>>
>>> > - Why Moonlight?
>>> > - Architecture
>>> > - Pros and Cons
>>> > - Sample websites
>>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
>>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Alan.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Sasi Rekha.
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Alan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29

That should help at least partially.

Alan.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
 wrote:
> I wouldn't have got this mailing list id unless i have searched the web.
> Reply to the e-mail only if u can help with the relevant information.
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Stifu  wrote:
>>
>> "How do I search the web?" would be a better question, as it'd let you
>> find
>> answers for everything else. :)
>>
>>
>> Sasi Rekha Kristam wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
>> > happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Kishore.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hey
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>> > Hi,
>> >>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
>> >>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
>> >>> > information on the below topics?
>> >>> > - What is Moonlight?
>> >>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>> >>>
>> >>> > - Why Moonlight?
>> >>> > - Architecture
>> >>> > - Pros and Cons
>> >>> > - Sample websites
>> >>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
>> >>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope that helps,
>> >>> Alan.
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Regards,
>> >>> > Sasi Rekha.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Sasi Rekha Kristam]

I wouldn't have got this mailing list id unless i have searched the web.
Reply to the e-mail only if u can help with the relevant information.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Stifu  wrote:

>
> "How do I search the web?" would be a better question, as it'd let you find
> answers for everything else. :)
>
>
> Sasi Rekha Kristam wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
> > happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Kishore.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
> >>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
> >>> > information on the below topics?
> >>> > - What is Moonlight?
> >>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
> >>>
> >>> > - Why Moonlight?
> >>> > - Architecture
> >>> > - Pros and Cons
> >>> > - Sample websites
> >>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
> >>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
> >>>
> >>> Hope that helps,
> >>> Alan.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Sasi Rekha.
> >>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Stifu]

"How do I search the web?" would be a better question, as it'd let you find
answers for everything else. :)


Sasi Rekha Kristam wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
> happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore
> wrote:
> 
>> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kishore.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
>>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
>>> > information on the below topics?
>>> > - What is Moonlight?
>>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>>>
>>> > - Why Moonlight?
>>> > - Architecture
>>> > - Pros and Cons
>>> > - Sample websites
>>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
>>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Alan.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Sasi Rekha.
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Sasi Rekha Kristam]

Thank you for the quick reply. How does the compilation and other stuff
happens for Moonlight and what is Mono?

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Krishna Kishore wrote:

> Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???
>
> Regards,
> Kishore.
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:
>
>> Hey
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
>> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
>> > information on the below topics?
>> > - What is Moonlight?
>> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>>
>> > - Why Moonlight?
>> > - Architecture
>> > - Pros and Cons
>> > - Sample websites
>> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
>> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Alan.
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Sasi Rekha.
>> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Krishna Kishore]

Did you check http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight???

Regards,
Kishore.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Alan  wrote:

> Hey
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
> > Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
> > information on the below topics?
> > - What is Moonlight?
> Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).
>
> > - Why Moonlight?
> > - Architecture
> > - Pros and Cons
> > - Sample websites
> Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
> are the same thing just on different platforms.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Alan.
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sasi Rekha.
> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Alan]

Hey

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sasi Rekha Kristam
 wrote:
> Hi,
> I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
> Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
> information on the below topics?
> - What is Moonlight?
Moonlight is silverlight for Linux (and more, potentially).

> - Why Moonlight?
> - Architecture
> - Pros and Cons
> - Sample websites
Any documentation on silverlight applies equally to moonlight as they
are the same thing just on different platforms.

Hope that helps,
Alan.

>
> Regards,
> Sasi Rekha.
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight basics - Overview

[Sasi Rekha Kristam]

Hi,

I am starting up with moonlight with a very minimal knowledge of
Silverlight. Could somebody let me know where I can find detailed
information on the below topics?

- What is Moonlight?
- Why Moonlight?
- Architecture
- Pros and Cons
- Sample websites

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight and OSS4 sound ubuntu 9.10 and opensuse11.2

[Rolf Bjarne Kvinge]

Hi,
 
> I can dig further, but perhaps someone "in the know" on moonlight, can
> very easily comment on why
> sound doesn't work on linux with OSS4. Is it only made to work with
> alsa/pulse? It there a solution?

Moonlight only has support for alsa and pulseaudio, oss hasn't been
implemented.

We do of course patches if somebody volunteers to do the coding.

Rolf

> 
> One of the  really poor things about linux is no good standard sound
> layer.
> I have had set ups were pulseaudio works, other set ups where is pure
> broken.
> I have used alsa standalone, but had little luck with multiplexing
> sounds.
> I know others swear by Jack.
> For me OSS4 works perfect. But as I see now, not with moonlight :(
> I am thinking, if everything else works fine in browser (through to
> oss4), why not moonlight?
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight and OSS4 sound ubuntu 9.10 and opensuse11.2

[ted leslie]

Putting

#  $HOME/.asoundrc

 pcm.!default
 {
   type oss
   device /dev/dsp
 }
 mixer.!default
 {
   type oss
   device /dev/dsp
 }

fixed the sound issue of moonlight on oss4,
however the game now is unresponsive for the first 10 seconds,
then runs 1/3 the normal speed (while background music plays),
then runs normal speed once background music stops, but 
action sound play fine still. 
Seems like the constant streaming of background music in the game
causes issue (but cpu/resources of computer were not strained).
This may not be a mono/moonlight issue at this point.
Just posting this, as a "search hit", if anyone else has same issue,
they can resolve with above  .asoundrc entry.

tl


On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:17:01 -0400
ted leslie  wrote:

> 
> In setting up a new opensuse 11.2 install I installed google chrome and 
> installed the preview moonlight
> (without even thinking, as I thought moonlight didn't work with normal 
> install with chrome),
> it worked!!
> But on the dr. dobbs  
> http://dobbschallenge2.com/
> silverlight/moonlight game the sound garbled up. (ran ok for 10 seconds then 
> went all freaky).
> This was probably do to it running in a vmware instance.
> Youtube did the same (had sound issue).
> 
> So I installed oss4 as i really prefer it anyways over pulseAudio/alsa.
> Youtube now works great, but there is no sound in moonlight.
> 
> I also tried the same game in my native host os ubuntu 9.10,  firefox and 
> chrome (same test as in opensuse11.2),
> and I also have OSS4 as my sound layer there as well. Also no sound in 
> moonlight (dobbs game),
> but sound work fine for everything else, flash, and wav, etc.(using this set 
> up for over a year).
> 
> I can dig further, but perhaps someone "in the know" on moonlight, can very 
> easily comment on why
> sound doesn't work on linux with OSS4. Is it only made to work with 
> alsa/pulse? It there a solution?
> 
> One of the  really poor things about linux is no good standard sound layer.
> I have had set ups were pulseaudio works, other set ups where is pure broken.
> I have used alsa standalone, but had little luck with multiplexing sounds.
> I know others swear by Jack.
> For me OSS4 works perfect. But as I see now, not with moonlight :(
> I am thinking, if everything else works fine in browser (through to oss4), 
> why not moonlight?
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[ted leslie]

In setting up a new opensuse 11.2 install I installed google chrome and 
installed the preview moonlight
(without even thinking, as I thought moonlight didn't work with normal install 
with chrome),
it worked!!
But on the dr. dobbs  
http://dobbschallenge2.com/
silverlight/moonlight game the sound garbled up. (ran ok for 10 seconds then 
went all freaky).
This was probably do to it running in a vmware instance.
Youtube did the same (had sound issue).

So I installed oss4 as i really prefer it anyways over pulseAudio/alsa.
Youtube now works great, but there is no sound in moonlight.

I also tried the same game in my native host os ubuntu 9.10,  firefox and 
chrome (same test as in opensuse11.2),
and I also have OSS4 as my sound layer there as well. Also no sound in 
moonlight (dobbs game),
but sound work fine for everything else, flash, and wav, etc.(using this set up 
for over a year).

I can dig further, but perhaps someone "in the know" on moonlight, can very 
easily comment on why
sound doesn't work on linux with OSS4. Is it only made to work with alsa/pulse? 
It there a solution?

One of the  really poor things about linux is no good standard sound layer.
I have had set ups were pulseaudio works, other set ups where is pure broken.
I have used alsa standalone, but had little luck with multiplexing sounds.
I know others swear by Jack.
For me OSS4 works perfect. But as I see now, not with moonlight :(
I am thinking, if everything else works fine in browser (through to oss4), why 
not moonlight?

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight project compile error in MonoDevelop

[Marek Safar]

Hello Peter,
>
> I'm running Mono Develop 2.2.1 on openSUSE 11.1 (the VM from the mono 
> tools distribution) and trying to compile a moonlight c# project.
>
>  
>
> I have copied moonlight distribution folder from my MAC and put it on 
> /usr/lib.
>
>  
>
> The project has a class file that derives from Stream and I get the 
> following error:
>
>  
>
> Commons.Utils/IO/MultiBufferStream.cs(38,38): Error CS0505: ` 
> MultiBufferStream.Seek(long, System.IO.SeekOrigin)': cannot override 
> because `System.IO.Stream.Seek(long, int)' is not a method (CS0505) 
> (Commons.Utils.SL)
>
Please fill a bug report with explanation how to reproduce the issue.

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[Mono-dev] Moonlight project compile error in MonoDevelop

[Peter Shoebridge]

I'm running Mono Develop 2.2.1 on openSUSE 11.1 (the VM from the mono tools 
distribution) and trying to compile a moonlight c# project.

I have copied moonlight distribution folder from my MAC and put it on /usr/lib.

The project has a class file that derives from Stream and I get the following 
error:

Commons.Utils/IO/MultiBufferStream.cs(38,38): Error CS0505: ` 
MultiBufferStream.Seek(long, System.IO.SeekOrigin)': cannot override because 
`System.IO.Stream.Seek(long, int)' is not a method (CS0505) (Commons.Utils.SL)


Any clues anyone?

Compiles just fine under VS SL2.

Thanks

Peter

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight

[Rolf Bjarne Kvinge]

Hi,


>> At FOSDEM Andreia told me that Linux x86/amd64 were the only supported 
>> platforms but patches would be welcome for other platforms.
>> 
>For starters, moonlight needs to find a way to stop using libunwind since
this
l>ibrary is almost a Linux-only thing. It has been partially ported only to
hpux. 
>Then it is necessary to allow the use of OSS since both OpenSolaris and
>FreeBSD can use this infrastructure. ALSA is again a Linux-only thing.

 

We don't disallow OSS nor require ALSA - moonlight will work (silently)
without ALSA.

 

Somebody just have to write the code required to interact with OSS,
moonlight's audio playback code is abstracted away so this should not be
difficult.

 

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight

[Geoff Norton]

libunwind is only used for debugging and 100% optional.

-g

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> > 
> > At FOSDEM Andreia told me that Linux x86/amd64 were the only supported 
> > platforms but patches would be welcome for other platforms.
> > 
> For starters, moonlight needs to find a way to stop using libunwind since this
> library is almost a Linux-only thing. It has been partially ported only to 
> hpux. 
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> FreeBSD can use this infrastructure. ALSA is again a Linux-only thing.
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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight

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> 
> At FOSDEM Andreia told me that Linux x86/amd64 were the only supported  
> platforms but patches would be welcome for other platforms.
> 
For starters, moonlight needs to find a way to stop using libunwind since this
library is almost a Linux-only thing. It has been partially ported only to 
hpux. 
Then it is necessary to allow the use of OSS since both OpenSolaris and
FreeBSD can use this infrastructure. ALSA is again a Linux-only thing.

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight

[Andreas Färber]

Hello,

Am 14.02.2010 um 16:15 schrieb Απόστολος Συρόπουλος:

> I would like to know whether there are any plans to make moonlight
> available to other platforms. For example, although it is possible  
> to compile
> moonlight on OpenSolaris, still the resulting binaries do not work.

At FOSDEM Andreia told me that Linux x86/amd64 were the only supported  
platforms but patches would be welcome for other platforms.

Cf. http://mono-project.com/MoonlightSupportedPlatforms

@shana: Microsoft appears to claim that FreeBSD and "SolarisOS" would  
also be supported by Novell, on their System Requirements page:
http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx

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[Mono-dev] moonlight

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Hello,

I would like to know whether there are any plans to make moonlight
available to other platforms. For example, although it is possible to compile 
moonlight on OpenSolaris, still the resulting binaries do not work. 
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight 1.0 Beta 1 released!

[Rusty Howell]

Hey folks,

Moonlight 1.0 Beta 1 has officially been released! Give it a try and
let us know what you think!
To download the beta, go to http://go-mono.com/moonlight
 Please help us make Moonlight a success by filing any bugs that you see.

For packagers, the tarball of Moonlight 1.0 Beta 1 is available at ftp://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/moon/moon-1.0b1.tar.bz2

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Paul]

Hi,

> > Mono is fine and is considered fine by Fedora bods. Moonlight is not.
> > It's too close to the knuckle due to the unholy pact. As it's not
> > allowed, I can't package them.
> 
> Please keep comments like this off our lists.  They don't accomplish
> anything, nor contribute anything to the development of mono.

Okay, let me rephrase that...

(from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Moonlight)

"Moonlight 

There are serious concerns about Moonlight, due to Microsoft and
Novell's public statements around its inclusion in their "covenant". In
addition to that Groklaw has posted a FAQ from Software Freedom Law
Center (SFLC) on the issues with this patent "covenant". Accordingly,
this technology (with, or without codecs), is considered too risky, and
is not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. 

Also refer: 
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/moonlight.mspx 
http://blogs.cnet.com/5530-13505_1-0-10.html?forumID=166&messageID=2490312&threadID=228078
"

That's the official line, my wording is more or less a paraphrasing of
the above.

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 20:10 -0400, Geoff Norton wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:58 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > Forgot to add that IMHO, ideally you should package (even if you don't
> > ship by default) the 2.1 assemblies (and smcs?) so that it is easier for
> > Fedora's end-users to get a working Moonlight should they choose to
> > install it.
> 
> > W/o the 2.1 assemblies packaged, they would have to build their own
> > Mono.
> > 
> 
> I'm fairly certain the plan here is for us to provide a .xpi that would
> run on a mono-less machine for SL2.  In other words we're going to
> bundle the runtime bits we need in the .xpi.

Aha, then disregard my previous mail ;-)

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Geoff Norton]

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 01:07 +0100, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Since Fedora deems Mono legally safe, there's no reason for Fedora not
> > to at least package the 2.1 assemblies as there is absolutely nothing
> > new in the code.
> 
> Mono is fine and is considered fine by Fedora bods. Moonlight is not.
> It's too close to the knuckle due to the unholy pact. As it's not
> allowed, I can't package them.

Please keep comments like this off our lists.  They don't accomplish
anything, nor contribute anything to the development of mono.

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Geoff Norton]

Jeff,

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:58 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> Forgot to add that IMHO, ideally you should package (even if you don't
> ship by default) the 2.1 assemblies (and smcs?) so that it is easier for
> Fedora's end-users to get a working Moonlight should they choose to
> install it.

> W/o the 2.1 assemblies packaged, they would have to build their own
> Mono.
> 

I'm fairly certain the plan here is for us to provide a .xpi that would
run on a mono-less machine for SL2.  In other words we're going to
bundle the runtime bits we need in the .xpi.

Of course this doesn't detract from the fact that the "Moonlight" pieces
inside Mono are completely non-existent except for a few dlls that are a
subset without any changes of some other dlls.

All of the moonlight specific code is in the Moon repository.  Of course
if Fedora has decided on this inane stance, they're going to miss out on
all the Gtk.Moonlight awesomeness that is forthcoming.

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Paul]

Hi,

> Since Fedora deems Mono legally safe, there's no reason for Fedora not
> to at least package the 2.1 assemblies as there is absolutely nothing
> new in the code.

Mono is fine and is considered fine by Fedora bods. Moonlight is not.
It's too close to the knuckle due to the unholy pact. As it's not
allowed, I can't package them.

TTFN

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 23:37 +0100, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > > For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
> > > the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.
> > 
> > but the source to smcs is exactly the same as that of gmcs!?!?
> > 
> > As Yoda might say: "No sense does this logic make."
> 
> In that case, what does smcs really do that gmcs doesn't other than
> target the moonlight bits and pieces?

Nothing. That's the entire difference.

The difference between the 2.0 and the 2.1 assemblies is that the 2.1
assemblies are only a small subset of the 2.0 assemblies (wouldn't want
Silverlight apps accessing the filesystem, or accessing many of the
other System classes due to security concerns, so the 2.1 assemblies
simply strip all of that out).

>  Fedora are really picky over
> things, so I play it safe.
> 
> Now, onto more pressing matters. How the hell do I get XIM to play
> nicely...
> 
> TTFN
> 
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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

Forgot to add that IMHO, ideally you should package (even if you don't
ship by default) the 2.1 assemblies (and smcs?) so that it is easier for
Fedora's end-users to get a working Moonlight should they choose to
install it.

W/o the 2.1 assemblies packaged, they would have to build their own
Mono.

Since Fedora deems Mono legally safe, there's no reason for Fedora not
to at least package the 2.1 assemblies as there is absolutely nothing
new in the code.

Jeff

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 23:37 +0100, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > > For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
> > > the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.
> > 
> > but the source to smcs is exactly the same as that of gmcs!?!?
> > 
> > As Yoda might say: "No sense does this logic make."
> 
> In that case, what does smcs really do that gmcs doesn't other than
> target the moonlight bits and pieces? Fedora are really picky over
> things, so I play it safe.
> 
> Now, onto more pressing matters. How the hell do I get XIM to play
> nicely...
> 
> TTFN
> 
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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Rolf Bjarne Kvinge]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mono-devel-list-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: martes, 19 de agosto de 2008 0:03
> To: mono-devel
> Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Also... why would the source code need to be removed at all in the
> > source packages anyway? I'm totally lost.
> 
> Moonlight is a forbidden package by fedora (it is considered too dodgy
> due to the unholy pact between Novell and the borg - or something like
> that). This means that they will neither ship the source or the built
> binaries.
> 
> Other examples : MP3, mpeg2 and anything else, which under US law, can
> land them in hot water.
> 
> For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
> the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.

If you apply that logic then you'd have to remove any compiler which compiles 
forbidden packages. 

That would leave the distro quite unusable I think.

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Paul]

Hi,

> > For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
> > the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.
> 
> but the source to smcs is exactly the same as that of gmcs!?!?
> 
> As Yoda might say: "No sense does this logic make."

In that case, what does smcs really do that gmcs doesn't other than
target the moonlight bits and pieces? Fedora are really picky over
things, so I play it safe.

Now, onto more pressing matters. How the hell do I get XIM to play
nicely...

TTFN

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 23:02 +0100, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Also... why would the source code need to be removed at all in the
> > source packages anyway? I'm totally lost.
> 
> Moonlight is a forbidden package by fedora (it is considered too dodgy
> due to the unholy pact between Novell and the borg - or something like
> that). This means that they will neither ship the source or the built
> binaries.
> 
> Other examples : MP3, mpeg2 and anything else, which under US law, can
> land them in hot water.
> 
> For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
> the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.

but the source to smcs is exactly the same as that of gmcs!?!?

As Yoda might say: "No sense does this logic make."

> 
> TTFN
> 
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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Paul]

Hi,

> Also... why would the source code need to be removed at all in the
> source packages anyway? I'm totally lost.

Moonlight is a forbidden package by fedora (it is considered too dodgy
due to the unholy pact between Novell and the borg - or something like
that). This means that they will neither ship the source or the built
binaries.

Other examples : MP3, mpeg2 and anything else, which under US law, can
land them in hot water.

For that reason, anything to do with moonlight has to be removed from
the sourceball, therefore the code to build smcs has to go.

TTFN

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Re: [Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

The 2.1 assemblies are just stripped-down 2.0 assemblies and smcs is
just gmcs built to target 2.1

None of the Silverlight classes are included inside Mono, so there
shouldn't need to be any source-code removal at all.

Also... why would the source code need to be removed at all in the
source packages anyway? I'm totally lost.

Jeff

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 20:15 +0100, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As part of the regular review of updated packages within fedora, we've
> found that the current 2.0 preview has the ability to build the
> moonlight assemblies (or not depending on the configure option).
> 
> Moonlight is a forbidden item in Fedora, so I've built it with the
> configure script saying no thanks to moonlight. However, if the code is
> in the mono tarballs, it has to be removed when it's packaged up.
> 
> Looking at the source, I can't see anything glaringly obvious, but from
> memory, its smcs, System.Net and anything 2.1 in gac. Can someone
> confirm this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> TTFN
> 
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[Mono-dev] moonlight source in mono-2.0

[Paul]

Hi,

As part of the regular review of updated packages within fedora, we've
found that the current 2.0 preview has the ability to build the
moonlight assemblies (or not depending on the configure option).

Moonlight is a forbidden item in Fedora, so I've built it with the
configure script saying no thanks to moonlight. However, if the code is
in the mono tarballs, it has to be removed when it's packaged up.

Looking at the source, I can't see anything glaringly obvious, but from
memory, its smcs, System.Net and anything 2.1 in gac. Can someone
confirm this?

Thanks

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight 0.8 - Where are they Release Notes

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:14 -0700, Daniel Morgan wrote:
> As Eno pointed out, where are the release notes for Moonlight 0.8?
> 
> Is Moonlight good enough to watch video from http://www.nbcolympics.com/ on 
> Linux now?
> 

Yea, we slipped up on updating the release notes file.

Moonlight 0.8 only reliably works for Silverlight 1.0 sites so far.
Silverlight 2.0 is still in Beta and so the API's are not yet frozen.

Unfortunately, nbcolympics.com targets Silverlight 2.0 Beta and so
Moonlight 0.8 will not work with it.

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[Mono-dev] Moonlight 0.8 - Where are they Release Notes

[Daniel Morgan]

As Eno pointed out, where are the release notes for Moonlight 0.8?

Is Moonlight good enough to watch video from http://www.nbcolympics.com/ on 
Linux now?

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> From: Rusty Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Mono-list] Moonlight 0.8 Released
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mono-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ximian Mono List" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mono-devel" 
> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 4:09 PM
> Hey folks,
> 
> We just released the next version of Moonlight! 
> 
> You can download the Firfefox plugin from
> http://go-mono.com/moonlight 
> or get the sources from
> http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/moon/
> 
> Install it and give it a try! If you come across a bug, let
> us know 
> about it 
> !
> You can also search our current bug 
> 
> 
> list to see if your bug has already been found.
> 
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight 0.8 Released

[Rusty Howell]

Hey folks,

We just released the next version of Moonlight! 

You can download the Firfefox plugin from http://go-mono.com/moonlight 
or get the sources from

http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/sources/moon/

Install it and give it a try! If you come across a bug, let us know 
about it 
!
You can also search our current bug 
 
list to see if your bug has already been found.


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[Mono-dev] Moonlight-bugs list

[Geoff Norton]

Hey all,

  I've created a new list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) at the
request of Rusty.  In the near future all moonlight bugs emails will be
moved there so you likely want to subscribe now.

If you have any problems please email me directly.

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight on Mac PowerPC

[Anoop Madhusudanan]

Slobodnic, Ciprian wrote:
> 
> Is there any information regarding support for Mac PowerPCs? Based on
> the Silverlight 2.0 information it seems like Ms will not support it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ciprian Slobodnic
> 

Ciprian,

Scott from MS officially confirmed that they are not going to support
Silverlight 2.0 on MAC PPC. SL 2.0 will be supported only on Intel based
PPC. I'll forward his mail to you.

Thanks a lot,
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight on Mac PowerPC

[Miguel de Icaza]

Hello,

> Is there any information regarding support for Mac PowerPCs? Based on
> the Silverlight 2.0 information it seems like Ms will not support it.

Mono supports Macs with PowerPC and it should be easy to port the
Moonlight engine to PowerPC.

The only complication is to write the browser plugin.   Currently our
plugin in a few places uses Mozilla-specific APIs to communicate with
the browser and that would have to be modified to do this on a
per-browser basis.

Today we only support Mozilla, but we would love if people sent us
patches to support other web browsers (and we are definitely interested
in supporting WebKit, as its a growing force in the open source world).

But why wait for us to do it, when you can get your hands dirty and
anticipate the future by starting coding now? ;-)

Miguel.
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[Slobodnic, Ciprian]

Is there any information regarding support for Mac PowerPCs? Based on
the Silverlight 2.0 information it seems like Ms will not support it.

Thanks,
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight: Access Stylesheets

[Michael Schöndorfer]

Hi,

is it possible to get the information from the stylesheets, that are
integrated in the website.
I want to read the style-information and change my controls in moonlight to
fit into the webpage.


regards,


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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Miguel de Icaza]

> the install is still going (following the instructions mentioned below),  
> but where is this patch:
> 
> "Download patch found at www.mono-project.com/Moonlight to mono/mono"
> 
> I didn't see any that stood out.

The patch is no longer needed if you are using the SVN build of Mono.

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Patricia Aas]

Hi Rolf,

attching a perl script of what I am doing - note I am not a perl  
programmer so it is pretty much what was in the howto.


I seem to still get errors though (doing make in mono):

make[5]: Entering directory `/home/psmaas/Plugins/Moonlight/mono/mcs'
Corlib not in sync with this runtime: expected corlib version 60, found 54.
Loaded from: /usr/lib/mono/1.0/mscorlib.dll
Download a newer corlib or a newer runtime at http://www.go-mono.com/daily.
make[6]: *** [build/deps/basic-profile-check.exe] Error 1
*** The compiler 'mcs' doesn't appear to be usable.
*** You need a C# compiler installed to build MCS (make sure mcs works  
from the command line)
*** Read INSTALL.txt for information on how to bootstrap a Mono  
installation.


Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

Patricia

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Sent: martes, 06 de noviembre de 2007 13:29
To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

Hi all,

the install is still going (following the instructions mentioned
below), but where is this patch:

"Download patch found at www.mono-project.com/Moonlight to mono/mono"

I didn't see any that stood out.



That patch is no longer necessary (as of last week).

Rolf


Patricia

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> Thank you Michael,
>
> I'll give that a whirl then :)
>
> Patricia
>
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:44 +0100, Michael Schöndorfer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> some time ago i started a Thread on the mono-olive group because I
>> had troubles installing Moonlight on Ubuntu 7.04, too. (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-
olive/browse_thread/thread/a8a35f
>> a2485e362b
>> )
>>
>> I got this howto, which worked fine for me:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/msg/34a446ebd5c54d8e
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> 2007/11/6, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile
>>> up Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not
>>> easy - so if someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate
>>> it :) I'm on Ubunty Feisty if that helps.
>>>
>>> Patricia
>>>
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Rolf Bjarne Kvinge]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mono-devel-list-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Aas
> Sent: martes, 06 de noviembre de 2007 13:29
> To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> the install is still going (following the instructions mentioned
> below), but where is this patch:
> 
> "Download patch found at www.mono-project.com/Moonlight to mono/mono"
> 
> I didn't see any that stood out.
>

That patch is no longer necessary (as of last week).

Rolf

> Patricia
> 
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:23:11 +0100, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you Michael,
> >
> > I'll give that a whirl then :)
> >
> > Patricia
> >
> > On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:44 +0100, Michael Schöndorfer
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> some time ago i started a Thread on the mono-olive group because I
> >> had troubles installing Moonlight on Ubuntu 7.04, too. (
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-
> olive/browse_thread/thread/a8a35f
> >> a2485e362b
> >> )
> >>
> >> I got this howto, which worked fine for me:
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/msg/34a446ebd5c54d8e
> >>
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> 2007/11/6, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile
> >>> up Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not
> >>> easy - so if someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate
> >>> it :) I'm on Ubunty Feisty if that helps.
> >>>
> >>> Patricia
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> http://www.opera.com/mail/
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> >
> >
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Patricia Aas]

Hi all,

the install is still going (following the instructions mentioned below),  
but where is this patch:

"Download patch found at www.mono-project.com/Moonlight to mono/mono"

I didn't see any that stood out.

Patricia

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:23:11 +0100, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank you Michael,
>
> I'll give that a whirl then :)
>
> Patricia
>
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:44 +0100, Michael Schöndorfer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> some time ago i started a Thread on the mono-olive group because I had
>> troubles installing Moonlight on Ubuntu 7.04, too. (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/browse_thread/thread/a8a35fa2485e362b
>> )
>>
>> I got this howto, which worked fine for me:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/msg/34a446ebd5c54d8e
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> 2007/11/6, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile up
>>> Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not easy - so
>>> if
>>> someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate it :) I'm on
>>> Ubunty
>>> Feisty if that helps.
>>>
>>> Patricia
>>>
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>
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Patricia Aas]

Thank you Michael,

I'll give that a whirl then :)

Patricia

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:44 +0100, Michael Schöndorfer  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> some time ago i started a Thread on the mono-olive group because I had
> troubles installing Moonlight on Ubuntu 7.04, too. (
> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/browse_thread/thread/a8a35fa2485e362b
> )
>
> I got this howto, which worked fine for me:
> http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/msg/34a446ebd5c54d8e
>
>
> regards,
> Michael
>
> 2007/11/6, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile up
>> Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not easy - so  
>> if
>> someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate it :) I'm on  
>> Ubunty
>> Feisty if that helps.
>>
>> Patricia
>>
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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Michael Schöndorfer]

Hi,

some time ago i started a Thread on the mono-olive group because I had
troubles installing Moonlight on Ubuntu 7.04, too. (
http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/browse_thread/thread/a8a35fa2485e362b
)

I got this howto, which worked fine for me:
http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/msg/34a446ebd5c54d8e


regards,
Michael

2007/11/6, Patricia Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile up
> Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not easy - so if
> someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate it :) I'm on Ubunty
> Feisty if that helps.
>
> Patricia
>
> --
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[Mono-dev] Moonlight in Opera on UNIX

[Patricia Aas]

Hi,

I work on plugins on UNIX in Opera, and I've been trying to compile up  
Moonlight to see if it has any issues in Opera, but it is not easy - so if  
someone could give me some tips I'd greatly appreciate it :) I'm on Ubunty  
Feisty if that helps.

Patricia

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Re: [Mono-dev] Moonlight integration in MonoDevelop

[Michael Hutchinson]

On 8/15/07, Brandon Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I seem to remember an email maybe a week or so ago discussing the
> integration of moonlight into monodevelop, but cannot find that email.
> Does anyone have any info on how this is going or what the thoughts on
> that are?

This is probably what you're looking for:
http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/monodevelop-list/2007-August/006482.html

In the future we will have more complete support, but it really could
wait for a packaged release of the Moonlight compiler and class
libraries. If you'd like to discuss this, monodevelop-list is a better
place.

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[Mono-dev] Moonlight integration in MonoDevelop

[Brandon Perry]

I seem to remember an email maybe a week or so ago discussing the
integration of moonlight into monodevelop, but cannot find that email.
Does anyone have any info on how this is going or what the thoughts on
that are?

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