Re: [MOPO] Sorry to report...

[Glenn Taranto]

Hard to believe the youngest is 74!

GT
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  From: Jeff Potokar 
  To: Glenn Taranto 
  Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Sorry to report...


  sad to read, glenn; time is marching on.


  those still with us are:


  1. Ann Rutherford (Carreen O'Hara)
  2. Olivia de Havilland (Melanie Wilkes)
  3. Alicia Rhett- (India Wilkes)
  4. Cammie King (Bonnie Blue Butler)--- youngest surviving member at age 74
  5. Fred Crane (Stuart Tarleton-- twin to George Reeves' character, Brent 
Tarleton)
  6. Mickey Kuhn (Beau Wilkes)
  7. Mary Anderson (Maybelle Merriwether)


  jeff




  On Jul 11, 2008, at 9:20 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080712/ap_en_mo/obit_keyes

How many of the cast are still with us?

GT
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[MOPO] FA: EAGLE HAS LANDED, THE GAUNTLET, GODFATHER, FROGS, GET CARTER & MORE

[Shelly Whitworth-King]

 Hello MOPO Not long to go on these babies, please take a look! 
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[MOPO] FA: OCEAN'S 11 (1960) - DEAD MINT ONE SHEET!

[Alan Adler]

Hi Folks -


Just listed a Dead Mint One Sheet for -

OCEAN'S 11 (1960)


Check it out!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330252279744&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT


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[MOPO] FA MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E Orig 1966 SPY WITH MY FACE BRITISH QUAD ON LINEN! LOOK!

[Rixposterz]

Hi, Everyone,
 
   I have MANY great auctions CLOSING TOMORROW, but I thought I'd  also 
mention this incredible Country-Of-Origin 1966 British Quad from The Man  From 
U.N.C.L.E.'s 1966 theatrical film THE SPY WITH MY FACE.  It's arguably  the 
finest 
of ALL existing Man From U.N.C.L.E. original movie posters and I  think 
you'll agree when you see it! PLEASE check out my other 40 Auctions  CLOSING 
SUNDAY, too.!
Links are  below:   Thanks, Rick
 
_http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrixposterz_ 
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(http://cgi.ebay.com/Spy-With-My-Face-MAN-FROM-UNCLE-1966-Brit-Quad-ON-LINEN_W0QQitemZ170238625811QQihZ007QQcategoryZ60332QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView
Item) 
_Spy With My Face MAN FROM UNCLE 1966 Brit Quad ON  LINEN_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/Spy-With-My-Face-MAN-FROM-UNCLE-1966-Brit-Quad-ON-LINEN_W0QQitemZ17023862581
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$195.00
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[MOPO] FS/Fleabay: GREAT RARE STUFF at FLEABAY PRICES! L@@K!!!

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Hi MoPo’ers & Fleabayers,
 
SIZZLING SUMMER SALE!
 
I’ve got some great Rare Items at Fleabay prices!
 
Go check them out at the following link:
 
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If that doesn’t work, just check out my Ebay User ID toddfeiertag
 
Or try clicking on the following links:
 
JAWS 1975 * SPIELBERG * RARE 22x28 * ROLLED * MINT NR!!  Was $499.95 NOW 
$299.95!!
 
THE BIG COMBO 1955 Classic FILM-NOIR CRIME One Sheet NR  Was $249.95  NOW 
$175.00!!
A SAILOR-MADE MAN '21 Hal Roach HAROLD LLOYD Title Card  Was $595.95  NOW 
$399.95!!
  
COMBAT AMERICA '44 Clark Gable U.S. ARMY AIR FORCE Rare  Was $299.95  NOW 
$199.95 
 
CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS 1953 FILM-NOIR Lobby Set MINT NR  WAS $199.95  NOW 
$149.95  
THE LOST CITY 1935 Vintage SCI-FI 14x36 SERIAL RARE NR!  Was $249.95  NOW 
199.95  
NOW OR NEVER '21 Hal Roach HAROLD LLOYD Title Card MINT  Was $495.95  NOW 
$399.95 
  TRIPLE TROUBLE 1918 Charlie Chaplin ESSANAY Lobby Card!  Was $199.95  NOW 
$125.00!!
Thanks for looking!!
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[MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Susan Heim]

Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then inform me that 
since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's premium doesn't 
apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to quote auction 
prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really the final 
cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said item.  
For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final cost 
was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm 
rambling, I know..What do you all think?
 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Saul H. Chapman, Ph.D]

gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.  How could it be anything 
else?

Saul
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Heim 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:10 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?



  Hello all,
 I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then inform me that 
since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's premium doesn't 
apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to quote auction 
prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really the final 
cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said item.  
For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final cost 
was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm 
rambling, I know..What do you all think?
   
  Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

it's hard to believe that anyone would call the buyers premium a tax 
with no consequences
I suspect it's just their way of justifying paying someone less than 
what someone may be asking, or as we call them - buying tactics


whenever I bid, I always count my total cost and I may even count the 
cost of shipping to me



At 06:10 PM 7/12/2008, Susan Heim wrote:


Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. 
A subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions 
regarding auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an 
item sold at $500, but with the buyer's premium the total cost is 
$600. I often hear many people say "that item sold for $500", but 
in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say to me 
you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to 
me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That 
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands 
and the buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have 
customers looking for certain titles and they will quote recent 
auction sales and often, especially when seeking to buy not 
sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true 
selling price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They 
will then inform me that since they are looking to buy from a 
private party, the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I shake my 
head, I suggest that if you are going to quote auction prices, you 
have to include the buyer's premium as that is really the final 
cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for 
said item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at 
$5000, but the final cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at 
Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I know..What do 
you all think?


Sue
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Michael B]

I AGREE 100% BUT, ALSO, ADD SHIIPPING.? when i tell some what i've paid, i 
respond, $ XXX WITH shipping.

my investment is the total cost.


michael




gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.? How could it be anything 
else?

?

Saul




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Sent: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?



gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.? How could it be anything 
else?

?

Saul


- Original Message - 

From: Susan Heim 

To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 

Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:10 PM

Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?




Hello all,
?? I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,? quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.? I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then infor
 m me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.? For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?? 
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?
?
Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Susan Heim]

I'm on the same page with you both, Saul and Rich, and Rich, you are right on 
with the motives. If you have an item that isn't that costly, give or take $50 
to $100 isn't a big deal. But if you have a poster that gaveled at $10,000 and 
the buyer's premiums adds another $2000, that puts that poster into a whole 
different price structure. I mean if someone bought the Attack of the 50' Woman 
for $12,000 but with the buyer's premiums the final cost was $14,400 and his 
friend asks him what his poster is worth, I'm sure he won't say $12,000.
 
Sue



Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:28:24 -0700To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?it's hard to believe 
that anyone would call the buyers premium a tax with no consequencesI suspect 
it's just their way of justifying paying someone less than what someone may be 
asking, or as we call them - buying tacticswhenever I bid, I always count my 
total cost and I may even count the cost of shipping to me At 06:10 PM 
7/12/2008, Susan Heim wrote:
Hello all,   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A 
subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding 
auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but 
with the buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say 
"that item sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many 
people say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds 
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That 
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the 
buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for 
certain titles and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially 
when seeking to buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's 
premium.  I will mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true 
selling price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then 
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think? Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Roger Kim]

To use your hypothetical example...

I think this guy is arguing that the consigner of the Breakfast at  
Tiffany's poster only made $5000 (or even less if there's a seller's  
premium), therefore, there may be other sellers that are also willing  
to sell for under $5000.


On the other hand, the auction proved that there is at least one  
buyer who was willing to pay $6000. Therefore, other sellers may try  
to get this amount.


So, I think it's valid that your fellow collector is trying to get  
the poster for $5000, but that doesn't mean he'll succeed.


-rk


On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Susan Heim wrote:



Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions.  
A subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions  
regarding auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an  
item sold at $500, but with the buyer's premium the total cost is  
$600. I often hear many people say "that item sold for $500", but  
in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say to me  
you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to  
me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That  
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands  
and the buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have  
customers looking for certain titles and they will quote recent  
auction sales and often, especially when seeking to buy not sell,   
quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will mention  
to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling  
price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then  
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party,  
the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest  
that if you are going to quote auction prices, you have to include  
the buyer's premium as that is really the final cost of the item  
and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said item.  For  
instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final  
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold  
for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?


Sue
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Saul H. Chapman, Ph.D]

and Insurance then.

gavel price + buyer's premium + S&H + insurance (if not included in S&H) = 
financial investment = final cost of item

(not including the dime here and there if you had to call in the bid using a 
non-800 phone number)
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  I AGREE 100% BUT, ALSO, ADD SHIIPPING.  when i tell some what i've paid, i 
respond, $ XXX WITH shipping.

  my investment is the total cost.


  michael



gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.  How could it be 
anything else?

Saul



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  Sent: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 9:19 pm
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


  gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.  How could it be 
anything else?

  Saul
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Heim 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?



Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A 
subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding 
auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but 
with the buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say 
"that item sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many 
people say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds 
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That 
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the 
buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for 
certain titles and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially 
when seeking to buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's 
premium.  I will mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true 
selling price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then 
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?
 
Sue 
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[Todd Feiertag]

Sue,
 
I'm with you.  
 
The total price for an auction item is the price the buyer paid.  If a 
Breakfast at Tiffany’s hammer price was $5,000. and with the premium $6,000., 
the buyer paid $6,000. for the poster, not $5,000.  
 
Best,
Todd
 



Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:10:23 +From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [MOPO] 
O.kWhere do you stand?To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU


Hello all,   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A 
subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding 
auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but 
with the buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say 
"that item sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many 
people say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds 
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That 
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the 
buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for 
certain titles and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially 
when seeking to buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's 
premium.  I will mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true 
selling price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then 
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think? Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Michael B]

3?weeks ago, i purchased a poster from someone who doesn't accept paypal.? cost 
me a stamp

michael





and Insurance then.

?

gavel price + buyer's premium + S&H + insurance (if not included in S&H) = 
financial investment = final cost of item

?

(not including the dime here and there if you had to call in the bid using a 
non-800 phone number)




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and Insurance then.

?

gavel price + buyer's premium + S&H + insurance (if not included in S&H) = 
financial investment = final cost of item

?

(not including the dime here and there if you had to call in the bid using a 
non-800 phone number)


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I AGREE 100% BUT, ALSO, ADD SHIIPPING.? when i tell some what i've paid, i 
respond, $ XXX WITH shipping.

my investment is the total cost.


michael




gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.? How could it be anything 
else?

?

Saul




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gavel price + buyer's premium is final cost of item.? How could it be anything 
else?

?

Saul


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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:10 PM

Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?




Hello all,
?? I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,? quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.? I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then infor
 m me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.? For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?? 
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?
?
Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Toochis Morin]

Hello all,

It's a great question.  I guess because the premium is a service fee I don't 
count it.  Because it's a commission.  Because I deal in commissions all the 
time, I don't usually count them as part of the cost of the talent.  

I agree that the fees are large enough to warrant being part of the price.

Toochis


- Original Message 
From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:10:23 PM
Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?

 
Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's
 premium. They will then inform me that since they are looking to buy from a 
private party, the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest 
that if you are going to quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's 
premium as that is really the final cost of the item and what someone was 
willing to pay "total" for said item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's 
gaveled at $5000, but the final cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at 
Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I know..What do you all 
think?
 
Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Jeff Potokar]

i agree with you, toochis...

my feeling is this: the BP is a fee or commission charged and  
gathered by the auction house, so this fee cannot be added to a  
poster's final value.  here's a hypothetical question:  a high end  
poster is taken to an appraiser and valued at $10K--maximum value.   
this poster now sells at heritage for that price. but with the 19.5%  
BP, it costs another 1950.00 to the buyer to be able to obtain the  
poster.


the appraised value of said poster is still $10K. it hasn't suddenly  
jumped in value by almost 2 thousand dollars, simply because the  
buyer got it via an auction house--this is the fee the buyer had to  
pay, in order to acquire his or her $10K poster.


have a great weekend all.

jeff




On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Toochis Morin wrote:


Hello all,

It's a great question.  I guess because the premium is a service  
fee I don't count it.  Because it's a commission.  Because I deal  
in commissions all the time, I don't usually count them as part of  
the cost of the talent.


I agree that the fees are large enough to warrant being part of the  
price.


Toochis

- Original Message 
From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:10:23 PM
Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions.  
A subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions  
regarding auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an  
item sold at $500, but with the buyer's premium the total cost is  
$600. I often hear many people say "that item sold for $500", but  
in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say to me  
you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to  
me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That  
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands  
and the buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have  
customers looking for certain titles and they will quote recent  
auction sales and often, especially when seeking to buy not sell,   
quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will mention  
to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling  
price that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then  
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party,  
the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest  
that if you are going to quote auction prices, you have to include  
the buyer's premium as that is really the final cost of the item  
and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said item.  For  
instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final  
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold  
for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?


Sue
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

okay how's this:
a collector buys a poster from Heritage in teh signature auction, 
however he buys it via the ebay system & bot HALive


he gives Heritage a check for  $11,950.00 which represents $10,000 
bid price & 19.5% vig
then Heritage gives ebay (oops, I mean fleaBay) $350 resulting a net 
sale of $9650.00


how much did the buyer really pay??

Now the other side:
a collector sells a poster via Heritage. It sells for $10,000 and the 
buyer pays Heritage $11,950
Heritage pays the seller $7000, but before they send a check they 
also bill the seller for linenbacking of this 6 sheet poster for $800 
and the seller gets $6200


how much did the buyer really pay??

===


At 07:13 PM 7/12/2008, Jeff Potokar wrote:

i agree with you, toochis...

my feeling is this: the BP is a fee or commission charged and 
gathered by the auction house, so this fee cannot be added to a 
poster's final value.  here's a hypothetical question:  a high end 
poster is taken to an appraiser and valued at $10K--maximum 
value.  this poster now sells at heritage for that price. but with 
the 19.5% BP, it costs another 1950.00 to the buyer to be able to 
obtain the poster.


the appraised value of said poster is still $10K. it hasn't suddenly 
jumped in value by almost 2 thousand dollars, simply because the 
buyer got it via an auction house--this is the fee the buyer had to 
pay, in order to acquire his or her $10K poster.


have a great weekend all.

jeff




On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Toochis Morin wrote:


Hello all,

It's a great question.  I guess because the premium is a service 
fee I don't count it.  Because it's a commission.  Because I deal 
in commissions all the time, I don't usually count them as part of 
the cost of the talent.


I agree that the fees are large enough to warrant being part of the price.

Toochis

- Original Message 
From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:10:23 PM
Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. 
A subject came up that seems to have some controversary of 
opinions regarding auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down 
for an item sold at $500, but with the buyer's premium the total 
cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item sold for 
$500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people 
say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds 
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer 
was $600. That final value means alot when you have items closing 
in the thousands and the buyer's premiums add several thousand 
more. I have customers looking for certain titles and they will 
quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's 
premium.  I will mention to them that the price they are quoting 
isn't the true selling price that you have to include the buyer's 
premium. They will then inform me that since they are looking to 
buy from a private party, the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I 
shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to quote auction 
prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay 
"total" for said item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's 
gaveled at $5000, but the final cost was $6000, how can you say 
"Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I 
know..What do you all think?


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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Roger Kim]

I think I disagree with Mr. Potokar, although he may disagree with my  
assertion that we're in disagreement.


As a buyer, if I think a poster is worth $10,000, then I'll pay a  
final price of $10,000 regardless of whether it's at a flea market or  
fancy auction house. If I'm buying it at a fancy auction house, I  
will adjust my max bid to $8300 so that my final price comes out to  
$10,000 after fees. (This assumes that I don't get swept up in the  
moment and bid twice my supposed maximum.)


-rk

On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jeff Potokar wrote:


i agree with you, toochis...

my feeling is this: the BP is a fee or commission charged and  
gathered by the auction house, so this fee cannot be added to a  
poster's final value.  here's a hypothetical question:  a high end  
poster is taken to an appraiser and valued at $10K--maximum value.   
this poster now sells at heritage for that price. but with the  
19.5% BP, it costs another 1950.00 to the buyer to be able to  
obtain the poster.


the appraised value of said poster is still $10K. it hasn't  
suddenly jumped in value by almost 2 thousand dollars, simply  
because the buyer got it via an auction house--this is the fee the  
buyer had to pay, in order to acquire his or her $10K poster.


have a great weekend all.

jeff




On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Toochis Morin wrote:


Hello all,

It's a great question.  I guess because the premium is a service  
fee I don't count it.  Because it's a commission.  Because I deal  
in commissions all the time, I don't usually count them as part of  
the cost of the talent.


I agree that the fees are large enough to warrant being part of  
the price.


Toochis

- Original Message 
From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:10:23 PM
Subject: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions.  
A subject came up that seems to have some controversary of  
opinions regarding auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down  
for an item sold at $500, but with the buyer's premium the total  
cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item sold for  
$500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people  
say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds  
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer  
was $600. That final value means alot when you have items closing  
in the thousands and the buyer's premiums add several thousand  
more. I have customers looking for certain titles and they will  
quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to  
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.   
I will mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the  
true selling price that you have to include the buyer's premium.  
They will then inform me that since they are looking to buy from a  
private party, the buyer's premium doesn't apply. As I shake my  
head, I suggest that if you are going to quote auction prices, you  
have to include the buyer's premium as that is really the final  
cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for  
said item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at  
$5000, but the final cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at  
Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  I'm rambling, I know..What do  
you all think?


Sue
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Claude Litton]

I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond  me.
 
The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the  auction house.
The seller received what he got from the auction house in a  check.
 
I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers  premium and 
the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I paid less  needs math 
lessons.
 
If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered,  prices 
realized after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at  windmills.  Prices 
at any 
given moment are only an indication of  the values at that particular time 
and a "guide" for the future.   There is a major difference between an auction 
house that advertises well in  advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a 
live auction which includes  bidders from all over via telephone, the floor, 
the internet and faxes, as  opposed to a person not known (ebay hides sellers 
identities) who puts a poster  on ebay for a week and hopes at least two people 
will engage in a bidding  war.
 
 
 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Brek Anderson]

Hi,
When Heritage lists what a poster sold for in the auction archives it doesn't 
say $5000 plus a BP. It just says $6000 with no mention of the hammer price. 
Same with any other auction house's auction archives only results listed 
include the BP. 
Brek

-- Original message -- 
From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A subject 
came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding auction 
results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but with the 
buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say "that item 
sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many people say 
to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds ridiculous to me 
since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That final value 
means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the buyer's 
premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for certain titles 
and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially when seeking to 
buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's premium.  I will 
mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true selling price 
that you have to include the buyer's premium. They will then infor
 m me t
hat since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's premium 
doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to quote 
auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really the 
final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?
 
Sue 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Phil Edwards]

What Claude said.

Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Claude Litton 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


  I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond me.

  The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the auction house.
  The seller received what he got from the auction house in a check.

  I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers premium and 
the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I paid less needs math 
lessons.

  If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered, prices realized 
after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at windmills.  Prices at any 
given moment are only an indication of the values at that particular time and a 
"guide" for the future.  There is a major difference between an auction house 
that advertises well in advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a live 
auction which includes bidders from all over via telephone, the floor, the 
internet and faxes, as opposed to a person not known (ebay hides sellers 
identities) who puts a poster on ebay for a week and hopes at least two people 
will engage in a bidding war.



  CJL





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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Phil Edwards]

And Todd, and Sue.
Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Claude Litton 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


  I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond me.

  The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the auction house.
  The seller received what he got from the auction house in a check.

  I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers premium and 
the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I paid less needs math 
lessons.

  If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered, prices realized 
after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at windmills.  Prices at any 
given moment are only an indication of the values at that particular time and a 
"guide" for the future.  There is a major difference between an auction house 
that advertises well in advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a live 
auction which includes bidders from all over via telephone, the floor, the 
internet and faxes, as opposed to a person not known (ebay hides sellers 
identities) who puts a poster on ebay for a week and hopes at least two people 
will engage in a bidding war.



  CJL





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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

what Phil said

At 09:42 PM 7/12/2008, Phil Edwards wrote:

What Claude said.

Phil
- Original Message -
From: Claude Litton
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?

I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond me.

The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the auction house.
The seller received what he got from the auction house in a check.

I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers 
premium and the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I 
paid less needs math lessons.


If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered, prices 
realized after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at 
windmills.  Prices at any given moment are only an indication of the 
values at that particular time and a "guide" for the future.  There 
is a major difference between an auction house that advertises well 
in advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a live auction 
which includes bidders from all over via telephone, the floor, the 
internet and faxes, as opposed to a person not known (ebay hides 
sellers identities) who puts a poster on ebay for a week and hopes 
at least two people will engage in a bidding war.




CJL




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[MOPO] ok where do you stand

[Flixspix]

what Rich said,  
Phil said,
Claude said.
 
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Phil Edwards]

 I have no idea what HA's policy is on this, but in years gone by and perhaps 
HA would like to comment here themselves, other auction houses used to list 
their final sale "price"  - and it included BP, sale commission (yes, some have 
it going and coming) the cost they charged for the restoration and linen 
backing to the consignor (at the ratesTHEY charged for the resto, not the 
actual discount rates most auction houses get from the resto business due to 
volume of work they give them), the fees that some auction used to (and maybe 
still do) for the photography of the item and it's inclusion in a catalogue, et 
al, ad nausea.

The final "achieved price" can often appear grossly inflated - especially on 
the middle range stuff.

And the obvious reason is simply - it allows any auction house to announce a 
"record overall sales total"for the day, and it makes potential consignors look 
at the results and perhaps without knowing how that final "achieved price" was 
achieved... be attracted to that auction house becuase they seem to get great 
"results".

What the consignor gets out of it may be considerably less. If all one has to 
do is deduct HA's BP and seller's commission (if they have one)  then one can 
see the "final bid price".

The final sale price is the bid price plus BP. One can factor in shipping if 
one wants to as the total one "paid" for the piece as well.

There is another side of the coin that might also be worth discussing, however, 
and one that makes trawling through old Posterprice Alamanacs fascinating - 
knowing or wondering of the prices realised on the auction house listings by 
some houses include all thos extraneous add-ons to give a final number.

Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brek Anderson 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?


  Hi,
  When Heritage lists what a poster sold for in the auction archives it doesn't 
say $5000 plus a BP. It just says $6000 with no mention of the hammer price. 
Same with any other auction house's auction archives only results listed 
include the BP. 
  Brek

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From: Susan Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Hello all,
   I was talking with a fellow collector yesterday about auctions. A 
subject came up that seems to have some controversary of opinions regarding 
auction results. Let's say the gavel comes down for an item sold at $500, but 
with the buyer's premium the total cost is $600. I often hear many people say 
"that item sold for $500", but in my opinion it sold for $600. I have had many 
people say to me you don't count the buyer's premium, but that sounds 
ridiculous to me since the overall cost of the item to the buyer was $600. That 
final value means alot when you have items closing in the thousands and the 
buyer's premiums add several thousand more. I have customers looking for 
certain titles and they will quote recent auction sales and often, especially 
when seeking to buy not sell,  quote the gavel price without the buyer's 
premium.  I will mention to them that the price they are quoting isn't the true 
selling price that you have to include the buyer 's premium. They will then 
inform me that since they are looking to buy from a private party, the buyer's 
premium doesn't apply. As I shake my head, I suggest that if you are going to 
quote auction prices, you have to include the buyer's premium as that is really 
the final cost of the item and what someone was willing to pay "total" for said 
item.  For instance, if Breakfast at Tiffany's gaveled at $5000, but the final 
cost was $6000, how can you say "Breakfast at Tiffany's just sold for $5000"?  
I'm rambling, I know..What do you all think?
 
Sue 
www.hollywoodposterframes.com 


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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Richard Del Belso]

Me, too.

Richard Del Belso

Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:42:16 +1000
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What Claude said.
 
Phil

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Claude Litton 
  
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  
  Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you 
  stand?
  

  I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond 
  me.
   
  The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the 
  auction house.
  The seller received what he got from the auction house in a 
  check.
   
  I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers 
  premium and the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I paid 
  less needs math lessons.
   
  If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered, 
  prices realized after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at 
  windmills.  Prices at any given moment are only an indication of 
  the values at that particular time and a "guide" for the future.  
  There is a major difference between an auction house that advertises well in 
  advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a live auction which includes 
  bidders from all over via telephone, the floor, the internet and faxes, as 
  opposed to a person not known (ebay hides sellers identities) who puts a 
  poster on ebay for a week and hopes at least two people will engage in a 
  bidding war.
   
   
   
  CJL



  
  
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[MOPO] Paper Envy?

[Flixspix]

I can't believe there have been  no comments on the  Heritage auction.  Has 
any one spotted any trends?
 
I would have to say Brando is kaput for starters.
 
30'S Musical & Screwball comedy is nipping at horror paper  long held 
stronghold with .
 
But the most amazing head shaker for me
 
FLYING DOWN TO RIO   Rare Two Sheet 41" x 54"   $26,290.00*
FLYING DOWN TO RIO   RARE   MWC  8"  X 14"   $26,290.00*
 
Now if you were to walk into a room and see both pieces framed  on the 
wall..
 
* price reflects BP because that is what is being Paid For  Them. How moronic 
to think otherwise.
 
 
freeman  fisher
8601 west knoll drive #7
west hollywood,  ca
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Re: [MOPO] O.k....Where do you stand?

[Jeff Potokar]

what toochis said



On Jul 12, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:


what Phil said

At 09:42 PM 7/12/2008, Phil Edwards wrote:

What Claude said.

Phil
- Original Message -
From: Claude Litton
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] O.kWhere do you stand?

I try not to get involved with nonsense but this is beyond me.

The buyer paid what he wrote a check for to a seller or the  
auction house.

The seller received what he got from the auction house in a check.

I just bought a poster from heritage for $1200 plus the buyers  
premium and the shipping charge to be added.  Anyone who thinks I  
paid less needs math lessons.


If you are trying to value a poster based on prices hammered,  
prices realized after additional charges,etc., you are tilting at  
windmills.  Prices at any given moment are only an indication of  
the values at that particular time and a "guide" for the future.   
There is a major difference between an auction house that  
advertises well in advance, publishes a beautiful book and holds a  
live auction which includes bidders from all over via telephone,  
the floor, the internet and faxes, as opposed to a person not  
known (ebay hides sellers identities) who puts a poster on ebay  
for a week and hopes at least two people will engage in a bidding  
war.




CJL



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Re: [MOPO] Paper Envy?

[Sean Linkenback]

 

Sitting at the auction the past two days I definitely spotted some trends.Condition, Condition, Condition.Top Condition Unrestored, (or nearly unrestored in the case of larger paper) pieces continued to set records while others stay stagnant or even regressed slightly (possibly due to the economy).Nowhere was this more apparent than in the selection of Midget Window Cards where unrestored pieces reached dizzying heights while even cards from top titles (like Maltese Falcon) sold for lower than their pre-sale estimates if they were heavily restored.

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