Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Good thread. While my collection of pressbooks amounts to two, always fascinated reading about hardcore collecting. Sent from my iPhone On 12 May 2013, at 04:26, MnTwister mntwis...@yahoo.com wrote: Very interesting subject, and am glad to see pressbooks discussed here a bit more. Long ago when I was 7 and my grandfather had worked for Universal then Fox, and my mother was an editor at Paramount, I became addicted to movies. They frequently had pressbooks lying around the offices, and I remember piles and piles of them. Instead of getting into posters, my ph was paved by the red carpet of pressbooks. A good percentage of mine never got to theaters but were brought home by me from the studios above and of course my grandfather and mother had friends in the other studios so I was able to get those. Luckily, many of the studios had pressbooks dating much father back than 1960 so my collection goes much farther back. In years next 43 years, I have managed to amass a collection of some 15,000+ pressbooks (yes I am still buying them, many times in bulk when I can). As far as cuts go, I do have some with cuts, but most of the time one small ad or two. This has never prevented me from purchasing a pressbook for a movie that I didn't already have. So for a collector like me, in answer to the question, it isn't a huge issue, though I prefer uncut editions. Imagine how much money I could have if I had taken home the posters instead, but at that age, I preferred all of the ads and to read the press materials. Bruce, I am a regular buyer in your pressbook sales. What you wrote about the percentage of pressbooks you have is amazing, my mouth was watering. I could spend a week just looking at those. I do know how you feel about assorting though. This past 2 years, my friend and I have taken all of them (all in protected covers) and separated them by studio and then alphabetized them and rated their condition, as I may decide to sell them soon, but if not I still have a complete list with year, studio, condition, number of copies, number of pages, ect. It was a huge undertaking for the amount I have and I assume the amount you have is probably dozens of times larger. But now that I finally finished my database list, it is a wonderful feeling to be done. So best of luck to you on the pressbook sorting. Hopefully you have some extreme movie fans doing it who would enjoy that as much as I did. Robert Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
MoPressbookPos - My favorite pressbook run covers the AIP (Allied Artists, etc.) teen / monster / horror double bills of the 1950's and especially Corman's titles where the art and hype overshadowed the actual film. These great double-bil pressbooks were open-out mini-folders with goodies inserted, synopses, supplemental ads and occasionally single-page, colorful comic book art heralds. On all counts these classic pieces literally explode with exploitiation - they are a ballyhoo bonanza! Even as I have trimmed my collection - I still can't let go of those beauties. And especially after I have sold a few posters on a title - pressbooks have become my way to capture and hold a wonderful range of poster and lobby key art, stories, major photo imagery, icons, gags, publicity, theater promotion, and copylines. Long live pressbooks! Alan Adler Museum of Mom and Pop Culture MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
As far as the most desirable/valuable pressbooks, is it as predictable as following the market for posters, the top Universal titles, Metropolis etc, or is there anything less obvious? On 13 May 2013, at 17:10, Alan Adler wrote: MoPressbookPos - My favorite pressbook run covers the AIP (Allied Artists, etc.) teen / monster / horror double bills of the 1950's and especially Corman's titles where the art and hype overshadowed the actual film. These great double-bil pressbooks were open-out mini-folders with goodies inserted, synopses, supplemental ads and occasionally single-page, colorful comic book art heralds. On all counts these classic pieces literally explode with exploitiation - they are a ballyhoo bonanza! Even as I have trimmed my collection - I still can't let go of those beauties. And especially after I have sold a few posters on a title - pressbooks have become my way to capture and hold a wonderful range of poster and lobby key art, stories, major photo imagery, icons, gags, publicity, theater promotion, and copylines. Long live pressbooks! Alan Adler Museum of Mom and Pop Culture MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari from Goldwyn (US release) is one. Many of the color MGM Campaign Books are definitely valuable--The Wizard of Oz and Gone with the WInd being two of the most lavish and ornately done. But, campaign books with the Marx Brothers and Laurel and Hardy are also valuable--Swiss Miss, Our Relations, Babes in Toyland, A Night at the Opera, A Day at the Races, etc. The most valuable portion (in my opinion) of the rare color MGM Campaign Books are the back poster page where they are all in color and are close enough to the original posters to serve as an image proxy in case the original isn't extant (or at least dug up yet)--case in point would be the Armand Seguso 24 sheet artwork to The Wizard of Oz, poster doesn't exist, but the image does because of these campaign books. -daniel kinske… On May 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com wrote: As far as the most desirable/valuable pressbooks, is it as predictable as following the market for posters, the top Universal titles, Metropolis etc, or is there anything less obvious? On 13 May 2013, at 17:10, Alan Adler wrote: MoPressbookPos - My favorite pressbook run covers the AIP (Allied Artists, etc.) teen / monster / horror double bills of the 1950's and especially Corman's titles where the art and hype overshadowed the actual film. These great double-bil pressbooks were open-out mini-folders with goodies inserted, synopses, supplemental ads and occasionally single-page, colorful comic book art heralds. On all counts these classic pieces literally explode with exploitiation - they are a ballyhoo bonanza! Even as I have trimmed my collection - I still can't let go of those beauties. And especially after I have sold a few posters on a title - pressbooks have become my way to capture and hold a wonderful range of poster and lobby key art, stories, major photo imagery, icons, gags, publicity, theater promotion, and copylines. Long live pressbooks! Alan Adler Museum of Mom and Pop Culture MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
I also like the Deluxe Campaign pressbooks - oversized pages - and very thick - color covers or inserts, heralds, and supplemental campaigns. Great ones were created for the big films - THIEF OF BAGDAD and QUO VADIS come to mind from a couple different periods. But then Howard Hughes or other moguls would outdo themselves and others on smaller titles like UNDERWATER - That pressbook is like reading a Cinemascope presentation. So, I would add the Deluxe Category as highly-prized! Yet, pressbooks overall remain an undervalued, unappreciated and underpriced arena. (Perhaps because many folks never had access to them.) Well worthy of greater interest and investment. Alan Adler On May 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Richard C Evans wrote: As far as the most desirable/valuable pressbooks, is it as predictable as following the market for posters, the top Universal titles, Metropolis etc, or is there anything less obvious? On 13 May 2013, at 17:10, Alan Adler wrote: MoPressbookPos - My favorite pressbook run covers the AIP (Allied Artists, etc.) teen / monster / horror double bills of the 1950's and especially Corman's titles where the art and hype overshadowed the actual film. These great double-bil pressbooks were open-out mini-folders with goodies inserted, synopses, supplemental ads and occasionally single-page, colorful comic book art heralds. On all counts these classic pieces literally explode with exploitiation - they are a ballyhoo bonanza! Even as I have trimmed my collection - I still can't let go of those beauties. And especially after I have sold a few posters on a title - pressbooks have become my way to capture and hold a wonderful range of poster and lobby key art, stories, major photo imagery, icons, gags, publicity, theater promotion, and copylines. Long live pressbooks! Alan Adler Museum of Mom and Pop Culture MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Certainly there are plenty of titles that can be traded within ourselves too. I'd have no problem trading a 1930s Columbia Studio annual for a black and white paper pressbook to Pack Up Your Troubles. Though the Columbia book would be superior in paper and artwork, I'd trade it as I prefer the Hirschfeld artwork, so I'm always happy to trade things that might be more valuable for things I value more. But, I am pretty sure people know I'm certifiable IRT Hirschfeld artwork anyway ;) -Daniel... On May 13, 2013, at 16:08, Alan Adler m...@charter.net wrote: I also like the Deluxe Campaign pressbooks - oversized pages - and very thick - color covers or inserts, heralds, and supplemental campaigns. Great ones were created for the big films - THIEF OF BAGDAD and QUO VADIS come to mind from a couple different periods. But then Howard Hughes or other moguls would outdo themselves and others on smaller titles like UNDERWATER - That pressbook is like reading a Cinemascope presentation. So, I would add the Deluxe Category as highly-prized! Yet, pressbooks overall remain an undervalued, unappreciated and underpriced arena. (Perhaps because many folks never had access to them.) Well worthy of greater interest and investment. Alan Adler On May 13, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Richard C Evans wrote: As far as the most desirable/valuable pressbooks, is it as predictable as following the market for posters, the top Universal titles, Metropolis etc, or is there anything less obvious? On 13 May 2013, at 17:10, Alan Adler wrote: MoPressbookPos - My favorite pressbook run covers the AIP (Allied Artists, etc.) teen / monster / horror double bills of the 1950's and especially Corman's titles where the art and hype overshadowed the actual film. These great double-bil pressbooks were open-out mini-folders with goodies inserted, synopses, supplemental ads and occasionally single-page, colorful comic book art heralds. On all counts these classic pieces literally explode with exploitiation - they are a ballyhoo bonanza! Even as I have trimmed my collection - I still can't let go of those beauties. And especially after I have sold a few posters on a title - pressbooks have become my way to capture and hold a wonderful range of poster and lobby key art, stories, major photo imagery, icons, gags, publicity, theater promotion, and copylines. Long live pressbooks! Alan Adler Museum of Mom and Pop Culture MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Indeed an interesting subject. Many of you know that I collect Best Picture winner OS's. For those films, I also collect the original PB and the original program from the Oscar ceremony. I own all but 15 of the original programs.mostly missing programs within the first 20 years. I own about 45 pressbooks from Best Picture winners.the earliest I have is All Quiet on the Western Front. Needless to say, I place great emphasis on uncut PBs. In fact, I've passed on many over the years because they were cut.especially if the cuts impacted the poster pages. I do, however, buy cut PBs for the very rare years. Regards DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of MnTwister Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:26 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value Very interesting subject, and am glad to see pressbooks discussed here a bit more. Long ago when I was 7 and my grandfather had worked for Universal then Fox, and my mother was an editor at Paramount, I became addicted to movies. They frequently had pressbooks lying around the offices, and I remember piles and piles of them. Instead of getting into posters, my ph was paved by the red carpet of pressbooks. A good percentage of mine never got to theaters but were brought home by me from the studios above and of course my grandfather and mother had friends in the other studios so I was able to get those. Luckily, many of the studios had pressbooks dating much father back than 1960 so my collection goes much farther back. In years next 43 years, I have managed to amass a collection of some 15,000+ pressbooks (yes I am still buying them, many times in bulk when I can). As far as cuts go, I do have some with cuts, but most of the time one small ad or two. This has never prevented me from purchasing a pressbook for a movie that I didn't already have. So for a collector like me, in answer to the question, it isn't a huge issue, though I prefer uncut editions. Imagine how much money I could have if I had taken home the posters instead, but at that age, I preferred all of the ads and to read the press materials. Bruce, I am a regular buyer in your pressbook sales. What you wrote about the percentage of pressbooks you have is amazing, my mouth was watering. I could spend a week just looking at those. I do know how you feel about assorting though. This past 2 years, my friend and I have taken all of them (all in protected covers) and separated them by studio and then alphabetized them and rated their condition, as I may decide to sell them soon, but if not I still have a complete list with year, studio, condition, number of copies, number of pages, ect. It was a huge undertaking for the amount I have and I assume the amount you have is probably dozens of times larger. But now that I finally finished my database list, it is a wonderful feeling to be done. So best of luck to you on the pressbook sorting. Hopefully you have some extreme movie fans doing it who would enjoy that as much as I did. Robert Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Great idea. Regards DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Adler Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:12 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value You guys with millions of pressbooks should scan them all into some kind of giant database or make CD' available by years, studios or decades. Maybe you could even get a grant from the Academy to do it and share with them. Alan On May 11, 2013, at 8:26 PM, MnTwister wrote: Very interesting subject, and am glad to see pressbooks discussed here a bit more. Long ago when I was 7 and my grandfather had worked for Universal then Fox, and my mother was an editor at Paramount, I became addicted to movies. They frequently had pressbooks lying around the offices, and I remember piles and piles of them. Instead of getting into posters, my ph was paved by the red carpet of pressbooks. A good percentage of mine never got to theaters but were brought home by me from the studios above and of course my grandfather and mother had friends in the other studios so I was able to get those. Luckily, many of the studios had pressbooks dating much father back than 1960 so my collection goes much farther back. In years next 43 years, I have managed to amass a collection of some 15,000+ pressbooks (yes I am still buying them, many times in bulk when I can). As far as cuts go, I do have some with cuts, but most of the time one small ad or two. This has never prevented me from purchasing a pressbook for a movie that I didn't already have. So for a collector like me, in answer to the question, it isn't a huge issue, though I prefer uncut editions. Imagine how much money I could have if I had taken home the posters instead, but at that age, I preferred all of the ads and to read the press materials. Bruce, I am a regular buyer in your pressbook sales. What you wrote about the percentage of pressbooks you have is amazing, my mouth was watering. I could spend a week just looking at those. I do know how you feel about assorting though. This past 2 years, my friend and I have taken all of them (all in protected covers) and separated them by studio and then alphabetized them and rated their condition, as I may decide to sell them soon, but if not I still have a complete list with year, studio, condition, number of copies, number of pages, ect. It was a huge undertaking for the amount I have and I assume the amount you have is probably dozens of times larger. But now that I finally finished my database list, it is a wonderful feeling to be done. So best of luck to you on the pressbook sorting. Hopefully you have some extreme movie fans doing it who would enjoy that as much as I did. Robert Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-a dler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Certainly there should be some premium for completeness. What is cut out of the pressbook? Is a corner missing from one page or are two pages missing or six ad mats. The more mutilation there is, I think the value is accordingly depreciated. If the title is a mundane title that is rather easily found, why would one even want a cut pressbook. CASABLANCA is something else again. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On May 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Hi Kirby, thanks for coming back. The question is hypothetical, but I've been thinking that there are quite a few examples of titles where I'd never buy a poster, but that the pressbook would be a (much) less expensive way to hold paper on a title. But I don't want to start acquiring Cut pressbooks if the presence of Cuts completely kills their value to a large portion of collectors. It sounds like you're saying it matters less with rare/top end stuff, but that the nature and extent of the Cuts play a part if reckoned against a complete example. Cheers, Neil From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 15:59 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value Certainly there should be some premium for completeness. What is cut out of the pressbook? Is a corner missing from one page or are two pages missing or six ad mats. The more mutilation there is, I think the value is accordingly depreciated. If the title is a mundane title that is rather easily found, why would one even want a cut pressbook. CASABLANCA is something else again. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On May 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
The biggest issue IS what is cut. Most pressbooks have a ton of very repetitive newspaper ads, and cutting one of those has little impact. A cut in a story would be next important, followed by cuts in non-repetitive interior non-poster images, Next would be a cut in a poster image, and worst of all would be a cut in a cover that is an attractive image. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Kirby, thanks for coming back. The question is hypothetical, but I've been thinking that there are quite a few examples of titles where I'd never buy a poster, but that the pressbook would be a (much) less expensive way to hold paper on a title. But I don't want to start acquiring Cut pressbooks if the presence of Cuts completely kills their value to a large portion of collectors. It sounds like you're saying it matters less with rare/top end stuff, but that the nature and extent of the Cuts play a part if reckoned against a complete example. Cheers, Neil -- *From:* Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Saturday, 11 May 2013, 15:59 *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value Certainly there should be some premium for completeness. What is cut out of the pressbook? Is a corner missing from one page or are two pages missing or six ad mats. The more mutilation there is, I think the value is accordingly depreciated. If the title is a mundane title that is rather easily found, why would one even want a cut pressbook. CASABLANCA is something else again. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On May 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 29 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html * Complete Buyer Protectionhttp://www.emovieposter.com/unused/20120625ad_emovieposter_no_buyer_beware_buyer_warranty.jpg- *No time limit on our guarantees *NO* buyer beware * Hershenson Help Hotlinehttp://www.emovieposter.com/images/announcements/20120906_mcw_ad_hershenson_help_hotline_forsite.jpg- *Direct line to Bruce (our owner!) for urgent problems* *Also, please read the following three pages of in-depth* Customer Reviews *of our company * - Page 1http://www.emovieposter.com/images/announcements/buyerreviews_page1.jpg, Page 2http://www.emovieposter.com/images/announcements/buyerreviews_page2.jpg, Page 3http://www.emovieposter.com/images/announcements/buyerreviews_page3.jpg *, which shows you in our customers' own words exactly what makes our company and our auctions so very different from all others! Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Hi Bruce, thanks for this, I hoped that with your b/g in collecting pressbooks you'd share your view. Incidentally, are there many pressbooks that you still need? You must have them all by now, surely?! From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: MoPo-L MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 19:33 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value The biggest issue IS what is cut. Most pressbooks have a ton of very repetitive newspaper ads, and cutting one of those has little impact. A cut in a story would be next important, followed by cuts in non-repetitive interior non-poster images, Next would be a cut in a poster image, and worst of all would be a cut in a cover that is an attractive image. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Kirby, thanks for coming back. The question is hypothetical, but I've been thinking that there are quite a few examples of titles where I'd never buy a poster, but that the pressbook would be a (much) less expensive way to hold paper on a title. But I don't want to start acquiring Cut pressbooks if the presence of Cuts completely kills their value to a large portion of collectors. It sounds like you're saying it matters less with rare/top end stuff, but that the nature and extent of the Cuts play a part if reckoned against a complete example. Cheers, Neil From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 15:59 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value Certainly there should be some premium for completeness. What is cut out of the pressbook? Is a corner missing from one page or are two pages missing or six ad mats. The more mutilation there is, I think the value is accordingly depreciated. If the title is a mundane title that is rather easily found, why would one even want a cut pressbook. CASABLANCA is something else again. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On May 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 29 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Complete Buyer Protection - No time limit on our guarantees NO buyer beware Hershenson Help Hotline - Direct line to Bruce (our owner!) for urgent problems Also, please read the following three pages of in-depthCustomer Reviews of our company - Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, which shows you in our customers' own words exactly what makes our company and our auctions so very different from all others! Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
I have finally undertaken the project of organizing and cataloging *ALL *my pressbooks, and as you can imagine, it will be at least a one year project. I really have no clue what percentage I have. I suspect I have 95%+ from the 1960s, 75%+ from the 1950s, at least half from the 1930s and 1940s, and maybe 25% from the 1920s, but these are *REALLY *wild guesses! Once I have it all figured out, I will post want lists of those I need! On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Bruce, thanks for this, I hoped that with your b/g in collecting pressbooks you'd share your view. Incidentally, are there many pressbooks that you still need? You must have them all by now, surely?! -- *From:* Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com *To:* Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* MoPo-L MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu *Sent:* Saturday, 11 May 2013, 19:33 *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value The biggest issue IS what is cut. Most pressbooks have a ton of very repetitive newspaper ads, and cutting one of those has little impact. A cut in a story would be next important, followed by cuts in non-repetitive interior non-poster images, Next would be a cut in a poster image, and worst of all would be a cut in a cover that is an attractive image. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Kirby, thanks for coming back. The question is hypothetical, but I've been thinking that there are quite a few examples of titles where I'd never buy a poster, but that the pressbook would be a (much) less expensive way to hold paper on a title. But I don't want to start acquiring Cut pressbooks if the presence of Cuts completely kills their value to a large portion of collectors. It sounds like you're saying it matters less with rare/top end stuff, but that the nature and extent of the Cuts play a part if reckoned against a complete example. Cheers, Neil -- *From:* Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Saturday, 11 May 2013, 15:59 *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value Certainly there should be some premium for completeness. What is cut out of the pressbook? Is a corner missing from one page or are two pages missing or six ad mats. The more mutilation there is, I think the value is accordingly depreciated. If the title is a mundane title that is rather easily found, why would one even want a cut pressbook. CASABLANCA is something else again. Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On May 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hello MOPO Does anyone have a view as to the effect Cuts have on pressbook values? Say I have a Casablanca pressbook (I don't) and it has one Cut, how much less valuable is it than my other fictional Casablanca pressbook which has No Cuts? Does rarity trump condition? Are pressbook collectors very particular about such things? I have very little experience of the seamy world of pressbooks and the men women who love them, so any thoughts on this is appreciated. Cheers Neil Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 29 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site http://www.emovieposter.com/ our auctions http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html * Complete Buyer Protectionhttp://www.emovieposter.com/unused/20120625ad_emovieposter_no_buyer_beware_buyer_warranty.jpg- *No time limit on our guarantees *NO* buyer beware * Hershenson Help Hotlinehttp://www.emovieposter.com/images/announcements
[MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
Very interesting subject, and am glad to see pressbooks discussed here a bit more. Long ago when I was 7 and my grandfather had worked for Universal then Fox, and my mother was an editor at Paramount, I became addicted to movies. They frequently had pressbooks lying around the offices, and I remember piles and piles of them. Instead of getting into posters, my ph was paved by the red carpet of pressbooks. A good percentage of mine never got to theaters but were brought home by me from the studios above and of course my grandfather and mother had friends in the other studios so I was able to get those. Luckily, many of the studios had pressbooks dating much father back than 1960 so my collection goes much farther back. In years next 43 years, I have managed to amass a collection of some 15,000+ pressbooks (yes I am still buying them, many times in bulk when I can). As far as cuts go, I do have some with cuts, but most of the time one small ad or two. This has never prevented me from purchasing a pressbook for a movie that I didn't already have. So for a collector like me, in answer to the question, it isn't a huge issue, though I prefer uncut editions. Imagine how much money I could have if I had taken home the posters instead, but at that age, I preferred all of the ads and to read the press materials. Bruce, I am a regular buyer in your pressbook sales. What you wrote about the percentage of pressbooks you have is amazing, my mouth was watering. I could spend a week just looking at those. I do know how you feel about assorting though. This past 2 years, my friend and I have taken all of them (all in protected covers) and separated them by studio and then alphabetized them and rated their condition, as I may decide to sell them soon, but if not I still have a complete list with year, studio, condition, number of copies, number of pages, ect. It was a huge undertaking for the amount I have and I assume the amount you have is probably dozens of times larger. But now that I finally finished my database list, it is a wonderful feeling to be done. So best of luck to you on the pressbook sorting. Hopefully you have some extreme movie fans doing it who would enjoy that as much as I did. Robert Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Pressbook CUTS and effect on value
You guys with millions of pressbooks should scan them all into some kind of giant database or make CD' available by years, studios or decades. Maybe you could even get a grant from the Academy to do it and share with them. Alan On May 11, 2013, at 8:26 PM, MnTwister wrote: Very interesting subject, and am glad to see pressbooks discussed here a bit more. Long ago when I was 7 and my grandfather had worked for Universal then Fox, and my mother was an editor at Paramount, I became addicted to movies. They frequently had pressbooks lying around the offices, and I remember piles and piles of them. Instead of getting into posters, my ph was paved by the red carpet of pressbooks. A good percentage of mine never got to theaters but were brought home by me from the studios above and of course my grandfather and mother had friends in the other studios so I was able to get those. Luckily, many of the studios had pressbooks dating much father back than 1960 so my collection goes much farther back. In years next 43 years, I have managed to amass a collection of some 15,000+ pressbooks (yes I am still buying them, many times in bulk when I can). As far as cuts go, I do have some with cuts, but most of the time one small ad or two. This has never prevented me from purchasing a pressbook for a movie that I didn't already have. So for a collector like me, in answer to the question, it isn't a huge issue, though I prefer uncut editions. Imagine how much money I could have if I had taken home the posters instead, but at that age, I preferred all of the ads and to read the press materials. Bruce, I am a regular buyer in your pressbook sales. What you wrote about the percentage of pressbooks you have is amazing, my mouth was watering. I could spend a week just looking at those. I do know how you feel about assorting though. This past 2 years, my friend and I have taken all of them (all in protected covers) and separated them by studio and then alphabetized them and rated their condition, as I may decide to sell them soon, but if not I still have a complete list with year, studio, condition, number of copies, number of pages, ect. It was a huge undertaking for the amount I have and I assume the amount you have is probably dozens of times larger. But now that I finally finished my database list, it is a wonderful feeling to be done. So best of luck to you on the pressbook sorting. Hopefully you have some extreme movie fans doing it who would enjoy that as much as I did. Robert Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. MUSEUM GIFT SHOP: http://stores.ebay.com/Museum-Store-Gifts ALAN J. ADLER INTERVIEW: http://ephemera.typepad.com/ephemera/2009/09/movie-poster-collector-alan-j-adler-interview.html Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
