Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
Yes they need intensive instruction, but they should not be taken out of art, music, PE at least not completely. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu wrote: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- Troy Fredde ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
isn't it possible that punishing the child will have a negative impact on the child and his or her motivation to read. plus, mightn't it send the message that art, music, PE aren't part of why we read? From: jayhawkrtroy fredde jayhawkrt...@gmail.com To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh... Yes they need intensive instruction, but they should not be taken out of art, music, PE at least not completely. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu wrote: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- Troy Fredde ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
I absolutely agree with this. Taking students out of Art, Music, and PE sends a message that only some parts of the curriculum are important, and also deprives children of equal access to the curriculum and, subsequently, a well-rounded education. There are lessons to be learned in Art, Music, and PE that are intrinsic and exclusive to those subjects, AND there are also lessons to be learned in Art, Music, and PE that enhance, supplement, explain, clarify, synthesize, and support literacy, mathematics, science, and social studies. In a society that boasts an increasing number of obese children, excluding a child from PE is counterproductive in the long run. Excluding children from Art and Music deprives them of connections to cultural knowledge that are not particularly accessible in other ways. Not to mention, that those children who are strong visual or musical or kinesthetic learners NEED these strategies just as much as they NEED to learn to read, and in fact might find it easier to learn to read if their learning styles are considered. Sadly, too many people consider the arts and humanities to be fluff and frill because they do not see the supportive, supplementary, enhancing role that these subjects play in the overall education of the future leaders of society. Perhaps if our current batch of Wall Street moguls and corporate leaders had had a little more education in the humanities, we might not be in the mess we are in today. There is a wonderful and very short article in Edutopia that speaks to the humanities: http://www.edutopia.org/blog/humanities-twenty-first-century-bill-smoot And I would reiterate that the 10 Lessons the Arts Teach are important lessons for all children, not just those who play around in the boxes we invent for them: http://www.arteducators.org/advocacy/10-lessons-the-arts-teach This is a big, big issue for me, since I am very much a visual learner, while my son is very much a musical learner, and my daughter is very much a verbal learner. Three totally different learning styles and three totally different ways of approaching the world. We should not be taking these important differentiations away from children; in fact, they do not get enough of them. Sorry about the soapbox. Renee On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:58 AM, jayhawkrtroy fredde wrote: Yes they need intensive instruction, but they should not be taken out of art, music, PE at least not completely. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu wrote: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler Sometimes it's a little better to travel than to arrive. Robert Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
Not only possible, but very, very probable! Renee On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Margy Hillman wrote: isn't it possible that punishing the child will have a negative impact on the child and his or her motivation to read. plus, mightn't it send the message that art, music, PE aren't part of why we read? From: jayhawkrtroy fredde jayhawkrt...@gmail.com To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh... Yes they need intensive instruction, but they should not be taken out of art, music, PE at least not completely. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu wrote: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- Troy Fredde ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. ~ John Lennon ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
Another keeper and to be shared widely. This is beautifully said Renee. I will do all I can to keep your soapbox standing!! Sally On 7/22/11 10:58 AM, Renee phoenix...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I absolutely agree with this. Taking students out of Art, Music, and PE sends a message that only some parts of the curriculum are important, and also deprives children of equal access to the curriculum and, subsequently, a well-rounded education. There are lessons to be learned in Art, Music, and PE that are intrinsic and exclusive to those subjects, AND there are also lessons to be learned in Art, Music, and PE that enhance, supplement, explain, clarify, synthesize, and support literacy, mathematics, science, and social studies. In a society that boasts an increasing number of obese children, excluding a child from PE is counterproductive in the long run. Excluding children from Art and Music deprives them of connections to cultural knowledge that are not particularly accessible in other ways. Not to mention, that those children who are strong visual or musical or kinesthetic learners NEED these strategies just as much as they NEED to learn to read, and in fact might find it easier to learn to read if their learning styles are considered. Sadly, too many people consider the arts and humanities to be fluff and frill because they do not see the supportive, supplementary, enhancing role that these subjects play in the overall education of the future leaders of society. Perhaps if our current batch of Wall Street moguls and corporate leaders had had a little more education in the humanities, we might not be in the mess we are in today. There is a wonderful and very short article in Edutopia that speaks to the humanities: http://www.edutopia.org/blog/humanities-twenty-first-century-bill-smoot And I would reiterate that the 10 Lessons the Arts Teach are important lessons for all children, not just those who play around in the boxes we invent for them: http://www.arteducators.org/advocacy/10-lessons-the-arts-teach This is a big, big issue for me, since I am very much a visual learner, while my son is very much a musical learner, and my daughter is very much a verbal learner. Three totally different learning styles and three totally different ways of approaching the world. We should not be taking these important differentiations away from children; in fact, they do not get enough of them. Sorry about the soapbox. Renee ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
Something else to consider here, is that for a student to reach middle school and have only minimal reading skills your special classes like Art, Music, and even Physical Education have so much reading that these classes become nightmares for students because typically their academic support in special classes is minimal. June In a message dated 7/22/2011 2:13:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phoenix...@sbcglobal.net writes: Not only possible, but very, very probable! Renee On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Margy Hillman wrote: isn't it possible that punishing the child will have a negative impact on the child and his or her motivation to read. plus, mightn't it send the message that art, music, PE aren't part of why we read? From: jayhawkrtroy fredde jayhawkrt...@gmail.com To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh... Yes they need intensive instruction, but they should not be taken out of art, music, PE at least not completely. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu wrote: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive -- Troy Fredde ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. ~ John Lennon ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
I'd love to hear from you all about what intervention you think an 8th grader who reads at the 4th grade level needs. Remember that this student will be starting high school soon. (This is a hypothetical student, but I have had students like this in the past.) Jan Quoting Denise Diana Saddler ddavi...@fau.edu: I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade then the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one year in order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on grade level then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; examples, math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot read is the child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be given extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to decrease all the other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just moved through the system. Denise Saddler ___ ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
In a message dated 7/21/11 7:59:51 PM, ddavi...@fau.edu writes: Well just to inform you I currently teach intensive reading for middle school students 6-8th grade and many of them do read on an elementary grade level. I am in the same situation. I have 6,7,8 graders who read far below grade level. They miss their encore classes (art, technology, digital lit and health). I feel sorry for the students, but at some point they have to begin to catch up. Our high school has a very rigorous curriculum and the students that are not reading on, or close to grade level, are going to have a very hard time of it. Pat www.pawsofwood.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Better reading instruction...sigh...
I agree with you, Amy. If a child can't read by 3rd grade, they need intensive, focused instruction for a year NOT for the rest of the school years. Sometimes they can get completely caught up in that year. Sure, they will miss out of some stuff, but it is a trade off with all the benefits of being able to read and being able to succeed in school. Donna On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Amy Lesemann amy.lesem...@gmail.comwrote: Sure. All kids need better reading instruction. It's just that they don't all need the same thing. I had a third grade student who needed one on one phonics instruction, despite the phonics instruction he received in class. He needed intensity, and he needed a great deal of it. He'd been tested and did not qualify for special ed. He just needed...intensity. He did not need more time play games on the computer, which is what our computer class is. He used the computers, very closely supervised, in the Independent Learning Center, to use Brian Cleary's phonics games, though. He did not need to cut and paste - he did some of that in the ILC, if it served the learning of vowel and consonant sounds, and yes, in his classroom on projects there. BUT HE HAD TO LEARN TO READ. Otherwise, he would end up in the fourth grade, still on a late first grade level. We did not want to hold him back - but things were looking ugly. Finally he did start to make progress. His third grade teacher and I are tutoring him for free this summer, to try to hold on to the progress he's made. He's reading on the 2nd half of the 2nd grade level; he can read Nate the Great, he can read Cam Jansen. I worry about the 4th grade text books. But reading workshop will not do it for him alone. He must get those decoding skills down; he is starting to self correct for meaning - he is starting to infer meaning. He is a sharp little cookie in his own way. But reading is very, very hard for him. Pulling him out of specials was not an easy choice. But the thank you card he wrote for me warmed my heart. Amy -- Amy Lesemann, Reading Specialist and Director, Independent Learning Center St. Thomas the Apostle Elementary School ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
